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« on: April 26, 2015, 09:57:58 AM »
 

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Why is the Ace of Spades the most decorated card in the deck?
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2015, 11:47:28 AM »
 

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Because old laws and tradition.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_spades.  Although other countries used other suits and certainly now there are no rules so all can be elaborate.
 

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2015, 02:30:26 PM »
 

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Why is the Ace of Spades the most decorated card in the deck?

You ask this question, yet you have a beautifully decorated Spade as an avatar? ? ?   ;)
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Re: Ace of Spades
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2015, 12:09:22 AM »
 

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These are all pretty much correct.  It started in England.  Initially, it was just a requirement of the British government in the 17th century to place the name of the manufacturer on Ace of Spades - this was probably due to disputes over stolen design ideas, which is ironic, when you consider that the British designs of the time were "borrowed" from the dominant design of Rouen, France, the leading exporter of playing cards to Britain.  By 1711, when stamp taxation was extended to playing cards, printers originally had to make a inked hand stamp on the card to indicate the tax was paid.  Roughly five decades later, the hand stamp was replaced by an elaborate Ace of Spades design - the more elaborate, the more difficult to accurately forge.  About 60 years after that, the tax marking was changed to the wrapper in which the deck came (this was before the tuck box), but the tradition had been established and most printers kept making elaborate Ace of Spades designs as a sort of hallmark of their brands.

The Ace of Spades tradition does vary - while elaborate Aces of Spades are part of what we now call the International Standard, there are some countries where taxes were indicated as having been paid by a stamp to a different card.  If I remember correctly, in Spain and Argentina, tax stamps were placed with ink hand stamps on the Four of Clubs, and just as with the Ace of Spades, decks from those countries today will often bear a manufacturer's mark on that card instead, now that the taxes have been repealed.

We still place stickers over the flap of a sealed pack of playing cards at the factory, but this, too, is a tradition that was borne out of government intervention and taxation.  In the early 20th century, US and Canadian playing card manufacturers used special stamps issued by their respective governments to indicate that taxes had been paid on that particular pack of playing cards before it could be sold.  Additionally, some individual states in the US charged a tax on playing cards and issued stamps of their own - the state of Alabama still charges a tax on playing cards to this day and issues stamps that much be purchased and applied to decks of cards over the flap opening before the cards can be sold in that state to show payment of the tax.

Eventually, the US Internal Revenue Service (which charged the tax) permitted manufacturers to create their own stamp designs with their company names on them to indicate payment of the tax.  By 1965, the tax was repealed, but most manufacturers continued using a company-issued non-tax seal because their their customers had become used to seeing them - they were typically decorated with a company logo or brand name, acting as a promotion of the company name.

For a brief period of time in the early 2010s, many custom deck designers stopped using stickers for deck seals.  They felt that the designs were ugly and clashed with the work they were creating, plus their customers hated the residue left behind when removing the stickers to make for a more attractive presentation while using the cards.  This, however, didn't last for long - printers started to offer designers a chance to create custom-designed deck seals, and designers leapt at the chance.  Now, some designs are even serially-numbered to indicate the number of decks made and which number deck you possess.  Some seals are added at the manufacturer to the box flap opening while others are added after the deck's been created, either without a cellophane wrapper or on the cellophane itself, acting as a secondary seal to the one applied to the box.

Why is the Ace of Spades the most decorated card in the deck?

You ask this question, yet you have a beautifully decorated Spade as an avatar? ? ?   ;)

Hey, go easy on him, he's new around here!  Actually, it was a pretty legitimate question, one we haven't discussed around here before to the best of my knowledge.  We probably just assumed everyone knew and moved on from there.  Obviously, though, that wasn't the case.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2015, 01:02:09 AM »
 

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Why is the Ace of Spades the most decorated card in the deck?

You ask this question, yet you have a beautifully decorated Spade as an avatar? ? ?   ;)

Hey, go easy on him, he's new around here!  Actually, it was a pretty legitimate question, one we haven't discussed around here before to the best of my knowledge.  We probably just assumed everyone knew and moved on from there.  Obviously, though, that wasn't the case.

Just a little observational jokedy joke. No harm meant.

I am glad they chose the Ace Of Spade instead of the 3 of Diamonds though!
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Re: Ace of Spades
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2015, 08:34:29 AM »
 

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Perhaps a more interesting question: what places are playing cards still taxed?

I am aware that Alabama still imposes a 10 cent tax per pack. There may be a few countries that tax or even ban the importation and/or production of cards. It would be interesting if we can make a table or chart out of all places that tax or ban cards.
 

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2015, 01:18:44 PM »
 

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Perhaps a more interesting question: what places are playing cards still taxed?

I am aware that Alabama still imposes a 10 cent tax per pack. There may be a few countries that tax or even ban the importation and/or production of cards. It would be interesting if we can make a table or chart out of all places that tax or ban cards.

I don't know of any countries today that ban cards outright - some of them simply ban imported cards in order to protect the local card-making industry.  But we're talking about countries that likely didn't have a lot going on in card manufacturing in the first place, so either the law is largely ignored or they don't play cards much.

Rather than taxing playing cards, I would think a lot of governments find it simpler to just apply a sales tax to NEARLY EVERYTHING.  No complicated tax rates varying from product to product - just charge 'em all at one rate!
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Re: Ace of Spades
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2015, 11:10:42 PM »
 

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I don't know of any countries today that ban cards outright - some of them simply ban imported cards in order to protect the local card-making industry.  But we're talking about countries that likely didn't have a lot going on in card manufacturing in the first place, so either the law is largely ignored or they don't play cards much.

USPS has a rules related to sending playing cards to Germany. Playing cards are on their restricted list but if you'd like to send playing cards to Germany, they state: “Playing cards, except in complete decks properly wrapped.”
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Re: Ace of Spades
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2015, 08:50:58 AM »
 

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I don't know of any countries today that ban cards outright - some of them simply ban imported cards in order to protect the local card-making industry.  But we're talking about countries that likely didn't have a lot going on in card manufacturing in the first place, so either the law is largely ignored or they don't play cards much.

USPS has a rules related to sending playing cards to Germany. Playing cards are on their restricted list but if you'd like to send playing cards to Germany, they state: “Playing cards, except in complete decks properly wrapped.”

Consensus on the web shows that the ban for Germany is outdated. Germany's own customs page doesn't mention cards. USPS doesn't always keep their list current. I think Morocco and some others have import bans to protect their local industry.
 

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2015, 12:30:47 PM »
 

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I don't know of any countries today that ban cards outright - some of them simply ban imported cards in order to protect the local card-making industry.  But we're talking about countries that likely didn't have a lot going on in card manufacturing in the first place, so either the law is largely ignored or they don't play cards much.

USPS has a rules related to sending playing cards to Germany. Playing cards are on their restricted list but if you'd like to send playing cards to Germany, they state: “Playing cards, except in complete decks properly wrapped.”

Consensus on the web shows that the ban for Germany is outdated. Germany's own customs page doesn't mention cards. USPS doesn't always keep their list current. I think Morocco and some others have import bans to protect their local industry.

It's possible that the German ban might still be around but hasn't affected commercial/retail trade because it wouldn't restrict the sale of new, sealed decks - as it says, "except complete decks properly wrapped."  It would restrict single swap cards and opened decks, but those sales are extremely uncommon on a commercial/retail level.  The ban could be still in effect and no one would notice.

Morocco's ban wouldn't surprise me, and not for purposes of protecting local industry.  The nation is a predominantly-Islamic constitutional monarchy.  Playing cards, even when used for purposes other than gambling, are considered haraam - against Islamic law.  Gambling is specifically prohibited, and card playing without gambling is considered a frivolous activity that can distract people from remembering salat - the five-times-daily prayer required of all Muslims.

Some modern Muslims, however, might consider this to be too strict a definition - basically, nearly any leisure activity that doesn't teach about Islam or encourage worship of Allah could be considered frivilous and haraam in the eyes of many orthodox worshippers.  A commenter on one forum I discovered referred to one of the sites listing the restriction as being operated by someone who is a member of Salafi, a strictly orthodox Sunni Muslim sect advocating a return to the early Islam of the Koran and Sunna.

Some might consider this restriction contradictory, as there is a 16th-century Middle-Eastern game called As Nas, played with (depending on who you ask) a 20-card/4-suit deck or a 25-card/5-suit deck, which is the game from which modern poker was eventually derived.  The word as itself, over time, was adopted by French speakers; it translates to English as ace.  But As Nas is Persian in origin, not Arabic, and is included in the fatwa against playing cards.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2015, 02:28:40 PM »
 

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Morocco's ban wouldn't surprise me, and not for purposes of protecting local industry.  The nation is a predominantly-Islamic constitutional monarchy.  Playing cards, even when used for purposes other than gambling, are considered haraam - against Islamic law.  Gambling is specifically prohibited, and card playing without gambling is considered a frivolous activity that can distract people from remembering salat - the five-times-daily prayer required of all Muslims.

Morocco is very lenient on cards. They have their own casinos and card manufacturers. Gulf Arabs are more strict with only the UAE allowing casinos. But cards are still popular throughout the region including Saudi Arabia and Iran. I'm not sure if even ISIS bans cards since they allow and produce video game mods.
 

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2015, 03:21:13 PM »
 

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Morocco's ban wouldn't surprise me, and not for purposes of protecting local industry.  The nation is a predominantly-Islamic constitutional monarchy.  Playing cards, even when used for purposes other than gambling, are considered haraam - against Islamic law.  Gambling is specifically prohibited, and card playing without gambling is considered a frivolous activity that can distract people from remembering salat - the five-times-daily prayer required of all Muslims.

Morocco is very lenient on cards. They have their own casinos and card manufacturers. Gulf Arabs are more strict with only the UAE allowing casinos. But cards are still popular throughout the region including Saudi Arabia and Iran. I'm not sure if even ISIS bans cards since they allow and produce video game mods.

You are better informed than I am.

The video game mods - recruiting material?  If so, then they're probably not considered haraam.
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