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One-Way Deck?
« on: July 04, 2014, 11:49:25 AM »
 

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So I am looking for experts to share their wisdom on the One Way Deck topic.
Recently I noticed on the Bicycle® Hundred Years' War Playing Cards thread http://www.playingcardforum.com/playing-card-plethora/bicycle-hundred-years'-war-playing-cards-(ks)/ Many people mentioned the one way backs being a problem, now for me personally I play poker everyday and this would not bother me. But it bothered many people that the creator would dare to design this. Yet on the Flesh and Bones Deck http://www.playingcardforum.com/playing-card-plethora/flesh-bones-(ds)/ the REALLY one way cards have not been mentioned by anyone at all.
So my question is, is it a deal breaker? Or is it just one way backs that are the problem? Or does it depend from deck to deck, that is sometimes it matters and sometimes it does not?
Any answer is appreciated.
Thanks -Rose
 

Re: One-Way Deck?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 12:19:34 PM »
 

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So I am looking for experts to share their wisdom on the One Way Deck topic.
Recently I noticed on the Bicycle® Hundred Years' War Playing Cards thread http://www.playingcardforum.com/playing-card-plethora/bicycle-hundred-years'-war-playing-cards-(ks)/ Many people mentioned the one way backs being a problem, now for me personally I play poker everyday and this would not bother me. But it bothered many people that the creator would dare to design this. Yet on the Flesh and Bones Deck http://www.playingcardforum.com/playing-card-plethora/flesh-bones-(ds)/ the REALLY one way cards have not been mentioned by anyone at all.
So my question is, is it a deal breaker? Or is it just one way backs that are the problem? Or does it depend from deck to deck, that is sometimes it matters and sometimes it does not?
Any answer is appreciated.
Thanks -Rose

Flesh and Bones isn't getting as much attention because people aren't as interested in Deckstarter as they are in Kickstarter.

Picture this scenario: I'm a poker player.  I want to have an advantage over the other players and I'm getting ready to deal the cards.  The deck in play has a one-way back.  As I organize the cards prior to shuffling, under the guise of making sure I didn't lose any, I secretly turn all the cards ranked below 10 one direction and all the 10s, Aces and court cards the other direction.  I shuffle thoroughly, everyone watches, it all looks on the up-and-up.  The reality is that I know as I'm dealing who has high-ranked cards and who doesn't.  If I was really good at cheating, I could even spot a high-ranked card at the top of the deck and either bottom-deal or second-deal other cards to my opponents, saving that card for myself.  To make it simpler, I could only turn around the Kings and Aces and as described save those cards for my hand.  As the community cards are being dealt (assuming we're playing Texas Hold 'Em), I'll know before they're flipped if they're high or low.

Most poker players will not even touch a deck with a one-way back design to eliminate even the chance that they'd be seen as a potential cheater.  Magicians use them, but usually only if the the design appears two-way and has a subtle, hidden mark to indicate the direction that the card has been turned.  An obvious one-way design can be spotted even by a novice.
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Re: One-Way Deck?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 01:02:06 PM »
 

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So I am looking for experts to share their wisdom on the One Way Deck topic.
Recently I noticed on the Bicycle® Hundred Years' War Playing Cards thread http://www.playingcardforum.com/playing-card-plethora/bicycle-hundred-years'-war-playing-cards-(ks)/ Many people mentioned the one way backs being a problem, now for me personally I play poker everyday and this would not bother me. But it bothered many people that the creator would dare to design this. Yet on the Flesh and Bones Deck http://www.playingcardforum.com/playing-card-plethora/flesh-bones-(ds)/ the REALLY one way cards have not been mentioned by anyone at all.
So my question is, is it a deal breaker? Or is it just one way backs that are the problem? Or does it depend from deck to deck, that is sometimes it matters and sometimes it does not?
Any answer is appreciated.
Thanks -Rose

Flesh and Bones isn't getting as much attention because people aren't as interested in Deckstarter as they are in Kickstarter.

Picture this scenario: I'm a poker player.  I want to have an advantage over the other players and I'm getting ready to deal the cards.  The deck in play has a one-way back.  As I organize the cards prior to shuffling, under the guise of making sure I didn't lose any, I secretly turn all the cards ranked below 10 one direction and all the 10s, Aces and court cards the other direction.  I shuffle thoroughly, everyone watches, it all looks on the up-and-up.  The reality is that I know as I'm dealing who has high-ranked cards and who doesn't.  If I was really good at cheating, I could even spot a high-ranked card at the top of the deck and either bottom-deal or second-deal other cards to my opponents, saving that card for myself.  To make it simpler, I could only turn around the Kings and Aces and as described save those cards for my hand.  As the community cards are being dealt (assuming we're playing Texas Hold 'Em), I'll know before they're flipped if they're high or low.

Most poker players will not even touch a deck with a one-way back design to eliminate even the chance that they'd be seen as a potential cheater.  Magicians use them, but usually only if the the design appears two-way and has a subtle, hidden mark to indicate the direction that the card has been turned.  An obvious one-way design can be spotted even by a novice.
Wow, okay now I get it. I do not have a deceitful mind so I completely missed this, and now I know how to win at poker... if only there were more decks with one way backs. Just Kidding.
I feel a bit dumb not realising this earlier. Okay so one way backs are really bad...
 

Re: One-Way Deck?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 09:15:55 PM »
 

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Wow, okay now I get it. I do not have a deceitful mind so I completely missed this, and now I know how to win at poker... if only there were more decks with one way backs. Just Kidding.
I feel a bit dumb not realising this earlier. Okay so one way backs are really bad...

OK, now you're swinging to the other extreme!

There are many decks with a one-way design that do just fine.  It depends on what audience you want to target the most.  Casual card players could hardly care less about one-way designs - the majority of bridge-deck designs I've seen in my lifetime were one-way backs displaying some graphic or piece of painterly artwork.  If a deck is really non-standard, artistic, fully-custom, etc., your target audience isn't necessarily going to be magicians and poker players.  Collectors, artists, the rest of the world; that's the real target.  In such cases a one-way back isn't a big deal.
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