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« on: July 02, 2014, 04:01:02 PM »
 

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So I have a question for the group - I've been visiting Vegas now for business trips and picked up some - I guess you'd call them 'canceled' - decks from the hotel/casinos. These are the decks that have been cut on the corners. I think they are a great, cheap way to remember your visit to Vegas and was wondering if anyone else picks these up. The boxes they come in are pretty banged up and don't look too nice on a shelf - but with the announcement that MakePlayingCards.com is now doing custom tuck boxes with no minimum, I was thinking of creating a generic tuck box for my small, but sure to grow casino decks . . . thoughts?

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Re: Casino Decks
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 04:38:18 PM »
 

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I'd think the beat-up, original used boxes would add to the charm of the deck displays. I'd display them as is.

I mean, one could say they are "just" used, cancelled casino decks, so why go through the trouble. But, if collecting casino decks is your thing and you think it'd be fun to buy/design/create your own tuck box for them, then why the hell not. From what I've seen, and in my humble opinion, cancelled casino decks don't catch my eye unless they're especially rare or old.

Personally, I'd try to find un-cancelled versions of your favorite casino decks (if possible). It would probably be fun to track those down and display them in their pristine boxes.
 

Re: Casino Decks
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 05:21:48 PM »
 

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I too looked at those empty tucks from MPC, but here in the midwest we have a hardware chain 'Menards' which at least in my local store sells them repackaged with new tucks for just $1.  I bought a few since for that price I just re-used the tuck for some in my collection case that don't have any and then wrapped a rubber band around the deck and tossed in the RV camper.  I figured for that price I may as well get a few more just to keep in the collection.  These are the rounded corner style and the tuck front is just a solid color with a cut out, the sides just say "Casino Played Cards" and "Las Vegas Style".  When in the case only the front shows so they are perfect for that.  Maybe look around for them in unusual places for them, but yeah the MPC is likely best option for plain tucks.  The shipping though.


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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 08:44:50 PM »
 

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If you get a deck that you want to hang on to, maybe a Pack Jacket would be a good choice?  How much are they?

They do a good job of protecting your cards.  I use them to hold my trick decks in my "everyday" bag.
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Re: Casino Decks
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 09:29:14 PM »
 

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I too looked at those empty tucks from MPC, but here in the midwest we have a hardware chain 'Menards' which at least in my local store sells them repackaged with new tucks for just $1.  I bought a few since for that price I just re-used the tuck for some in my collection case that don't have any and then wrapped a rubber band around the deck and tossed in the RV camper.  I figured for that price I may as well get a few more just to keep in the collection.  These are the rounded corner style and the tuck front is just a solid color with a cut out, the sides just say "Casino Played Cards" and "Las Vegas Style".  When in the case only the front shows so they are perfect for that.  Maybe look around for them in unusual places for them, but yeah the MPC is likely best option for plain tucks.  The shipping though.


NOTE - Ignore the STDM deck, that was from a different source


Just an interesting fact. I come across hundreds of casino decks on eBay. Most decks I find are canceled like those in your picture. Those colored tuck boxes, I have found out are reboxed by Nevada State Prison Inmates.
 

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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 10:09:04 PM »
 

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Just an interesting fact. I come across hundreds of casino decks on eBay. Most decks I find are canceled like those in your picture. Those colored tuck boxes, I have found out are reboxed by Nevada State Prison Inmates.

Yeah, they've been doing that for a while now.  The inmates receive the cards mixed, they sort them into decks (minus jokers and extra cards) and even do the canceling.  They get written on the edge in marker at the casino and the corner gets cut off at the prison while it's in the box, hence the reason why the cuts are so ragged and mismatched.

The inmates get paid a TINY amount, usually a few bucks a day, which goes to their commissary account for buying things like cigarettes, toothpaste, envelopes, stamps, paper, etc.

I miss the days when canceling was done by drilling a hole in the card, but apparently people were finding ways to re-use those cards, filling the hole in to make the card appear whole and swapping them for what they were dealt.

Nevada state gambling laws require that the decks must be canceled after they leave the casino, but only if the color/pattern of the deck is still in use at the tables.  Uncanceled decks exist when a casino does switch color or pattern or both but has leftover stock - it doesn't happen often, so uncanceled casino decks are pretty rare by comparison.  Uncanceled decks released to the public are never casino-used.
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Re: Casino Decks
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 12:59:02 AM »
 

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I wonder how much the casinos pay the prison to cancel them..
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2014, 09:46:46 AM »
 

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That's some awesome insight into the background of these cards . . . thanks so much!!!

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2014, 10:29:11 AM »
 

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I wonder how much the casinos pay the prison to cancel them..

The casinos pay the state.  Many states run prison work programs like this for companies, having the prisoners doing manual labor and repetitive tasks.  The state gets a good profit on it as a means by which to defray the costs involved with keeping someone in prison.

The prison laborers typically get just a couple of dollars a day, and only as credit.  They can spend it on supplies as I listed below, or they can save it for when they're released, but typically, I'd say it gets spent.  They just don't earn much.  I'm pretty middle-income, though only barely by some local standards - what I earn in a single hour might take an inmate one to two weeks.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2014, 12:03:10 PM »
 

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I have about a hundred of these decks - they're a lot of fun to collect. I had to make a list eventually of what I owned so that on next trips I didn't "double up" on my purchases.

I have way more intact boxes then the plain ones we're seeing in dollar stores now. And I kind of like my tucks, it lets me know from the outside if its a BEE or PAULSON etc....

The last two cancelled decks I got - had all their corners! But... they took a power drill and went through the box and deck in one shot! Bleah

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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2014, 12:28:37 PM »
 

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I have about a hundred of these decks - they're a lot of fun to collect. I had to make a list eventually of what I owned so that on next trips I didn't "double up" on my purchases.

I have way more intact boxes then the plain ones we're seeing in dollar stores now. And I kind of like my tucks, it lets me know from the outside if its a BEE or PAULSON etc....

The last two cancelled decks I got - had all their corners! But... they took a power drill and went through the box and deck in one shot! Bleah

+1s to everyone in this thread!  :D

Wow, you give out the +1s like M&Ms!  :))

Your drill-pressed deck is probably old stock - they haven't drill-pressed canceled decks in many years, at least into the '90s.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2014, 03:29:31 PM »
 

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These sort of decks look really interesting, certainly not something I've ever come across in the UK. Unsurprising given how few casinos there are. I was wondering though, are these decks ones that have been used in the casinos, or spares when they changed design?

PS, the 'interesting fact' was really good, makes me wonder what other menial things are being done by inmates that you wouldn't expect!
 

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2014, 10:27:34 PM »
 

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These sort of decks look really interesting, certainly not something I've ever come across in the UK. Unsurprising given how few casinos there are. I was wondering though, are these decks ones that have been used in the casinos, or spares when they changed design?

PS, the 'interesting fact' was really good, makes me wonder what other menial things are being done by inmates that you wouldn't expect!

OK, there are two kinds of casino decks - canceled and uncanceled.

The majority of casino decks circulating among the public are canceled - these are decks that have been used on the casino floor at a table and have been played with.  Typically, a paper deck will be used for only a handful of hours - anywhere from one or two hours to perhaps a shift, but not longer.  They're not used at poker tables much these days, where they've been replaced with plastic cards, but they still get much use at blackjack and baccarat tables.  When they're "decommissioned", they're bundled off to the prison system, sorted, packed and canceled.  Cancellation used to be a simple drilled hole off-center through the pack, but these days they take a marker and draw a line on all four sides of the deck, put it in the box and saw an entire corner off the pack, box and all.

There's a rare few that don't get canceled.  Let's say "Casino A" have blue and green decks with the same design.  They decide to replace the green decks with red ones.  The day the casino stops using the greens, the entire remaining stock of green decks can be sold off without being canceled - they're no longer in use on the floor and can't be used by card cheats to swap out cards in their deck for cards in play on a gaming table.  Since casinos don't change their colors or back designs very often, and will probably try to do so when they're low on the old color in the first place, uncanceled casino decks tend to be far less frequently found.

An example of this would be the "Brown Wynn" deck that Theory11 was selling in their early days of operation.  It was felt by some cardists that the brown Wynn Casino deck, Logo style back (as opposed to "Signature style") had exceptional handling qualities and T11 managed to get possession of a fair amount of the uncanceled decks.  Some people make the mistake of thinking that, because it was sold by T11, it's a "T11" deck, as in something they created, when in fact they were simply selling it, just like how they (and I think Ellusionist as well) were once selling David Blaine decks.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2014, 05:27:17 PM »
 

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These sort of decks look really interesting, certainly not something I've ever come across in the UK. Unsurprising given how few casinos there are. I was wondering though, are these decks ones that have been used in the casinos, or spares when they changed design?

PS, the 'interesting fact' was really good, makes me wonder what other menial things are being done by inmates that you wouldn't expect!

OK, there are two kinds of casino decks - canceled and uncanceled.

The majority of casino decks circulating among the public are canceled - these are decks that have been used on the casino floor at a table and have been played with.  Typically, a paper deck will be used for only a handful of hours - anywhere from one or two hours to perhaps a shift, but not longer.  They're not used at poker tables much these days, where they've been replaced with plastic cards, but they still get much use at blackjack and baccarat tables.  When they're "decommissioned", they're bundled off to the prison system, sorted, packed and canceled.  Cancellation used to be a simple drilled hole off-center through the pack, but these days they take a marker and draw a line on all four sides of the deck, put it in the box and saw an entire corner off the pack, box and all.

There's a rare few that don't get canceled.  Let's say "Casino A" have blue and green decks with the same design.  They decide to replace the green decks with red ones.  The day the casino stops using the greens, the entire remaining stock of green decks can be sold off without being canceled - they're no longer in use on the floor and can't be used by card cheats to swap out cards in their deck for cards in play on a gaming table.  Since casinos don't change their colors or back designs very often, and will probably try to do so when they're low on the old color in the first place, uncanceled casino decks tend to be far less frequently found.

An example of this would be the "Brown Wynn" deck that Theory11 was selling in their early days of operation.  It was felt by some cardists that the brown Wynn Casino deck, Logo style back (as opposed to "Signature style") had exceptional handling qualities and T11 managed to get possession of a fair amount of the uncanceled decks.  Some people make the mistake of thinking that, because it was sold by T11, it's a "T11" deck, as in something they created, when in fact they were simply selling it, just like how they (and I think Ellusionist as well) were once selling David Blaine decks.

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2014, 06:06:53 PM »
 

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Your drill-pressed deck is probably old stock - they haven't drill-pressed canceled decks in many years, at least into the '90s.

Well the Coushatta Casino opened in Louisiana in 1995, so I suppose it's possible, but that would be some seriously old stock sitting in their gift store since then... right? Or maybe Louisiana hasn't caught up with the rest of the world....
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 06:46:43 PM »
 

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Your drill-pressed deck is probably old stock - they haven't drill-pressed canceled decks in many years, at least into the '90s.

Well the Coushatta Casino opened in Louisiana in 1995, so I suppose it's possible, but that would be some seriously old stock sitting in their gift store since then... right? Or maybe Louisiana hasn't caught up with the rest of the world....

It could have been sitting in the back of a warehouse for a couple of decades, collecting dust.  It's what happened to the Jerry's Nugget decks, remember?  :))  "Oh, what's that in the corner?"  "Gee, I dunno, let's look."  "Oh, it's some of that old stock - we musta forgot these during inventory!"  "Wow - the boss is gonna plotz!"
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