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Who is ISIS?
« on: June 22, 2014, 02:25:22 AM »
 

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http://jihadology.net/2014/05/17/al-furqan-media-presents-a-new-video-message-from-the-islamic-state-of-iraq-and-al-sham-clanging-of-the-swords-part-4/

Warning... this video is flooded with extremely graphic scenes of murder by ISIS of innocent people and NOT suitable to be watched in the presence of children.

It seems like every other sentence is "Allah is the Greatest" I'm starting to think Islam is a very aggressive religion. You have to take a step back. They think God is on their side and they are doing this with Allah's blessings...

After watching the video for the second time. Can I mention the sword slash sounds and the digital sniper icons. I think it pretty simple. Ask the question do you believe in separation of church and state? If the answer is yes they live. If the answer is no, shoot them. Just like a criminal their minds are set. I figured out why they don't like music. In an Islamic state, music is forbidden. They only want you to hear their singing. They sing 5 times a day. If you thought sundays were bad. Why do I feel the need to buy a gun. It's all about tribes with a religious leader. Hell, I think the Kurds should run Iraq. They seem to have the right stuff. Why do I know the name ISIS now. I do not want to know of a name of people like that.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvImEWQpb40
 

Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 03:17:18 AM »
 

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I see you've returned after a long absence...

Islam by its nature is actually not violent, and neither are the majority of the people who call it their religion.  But as with nearly all religions, there are factions that are more extreme and more radical in their interpretations of their religion and what it stands for.  It wouldn't take a lot of effort to find similarly radicalized elements within Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, etc.  The major difference is that this faction is running around publicly killing people in a country that was apparently though to be reasonably "pacified" until now.

In simple terms, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

As I've been led to understand it by domestic media, ISIS is the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria - the group is seeking to create said state and to run it under a strict version of sharia law.  It's actually people from outside of Iraq that are inciting a lot of what's been taking place, using disaffected Iraqis in much the same way that Hitler used the people under his rule to seek to create his vision of an empire, and throughout history I'm certain there are many other attempted and succeeded dictatorships, juntas, etc. that have done the same.

One should never judge a religion followed by millions of people by the acts of a few thousand people being led by zealots and madmen.  In fact, who really has the moral high ground by which to judge any religion?  You can determine whether it's a religion that's in line with your beliefs, you can decide whether to raise your children in that religion, but anything beyond that and you're seriously reaching.  It's the judging of religions that creates these situations in the first place.
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Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2014, 12:20:43 AM »
 

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I see you've returned after a long absence...

Islam by its nature is actually not violent, and neither are the majority of the people who call it their religion.  But as with nearly all religions, there are factions that are more extreme and more radical in their interpretations of their religion and what it stands for.  It wouldn't take a lot of effort to find similarly radicalized elements within Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, etc.  The major difference is that this faction is running around publicly killing people in a country that was apparently though to be reasonably "pacified" until now.

In simple terms, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

As I've been led to understand it by domestic media, ISIS is the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria - the group is seeking to create said state and to run it under a strict version of sharia law.  It's actually people from outside of Iraq that are inciting a lot of what's been taking place, using disaffected Iraqis in much the same way that Hitler used the people under his rule to seek to create his vision of an empire, and throughout history I'm certain there are many other attempted and succeeded dictatorships, juntas, etc. that have done the same.

One should never judge a religion followed by millions of people by the acts of a few thousand people being led by zealots and madmen.  In fact, who really has the moral high ground by which to judge any religion?  You can determine whether it's a religion that's in line with your beliefs, you can decide whether to raise your children in that religion, but anything beyond that and you're seriously reaching.  It's the judging of religions that creates these situations in the first place.

I am here to say that i fully agree with Don here. In a world full of chaos, I'll be here to say immediately that one shouldn't just jump into conclusions and judge a religion because of a few black sheeps.

And there is not one religion without these black sheeps. There are people who pray for forgiveness when they sin, yet the back of their minds, they are already telling themselves they have something to fall back on as long as they are "sincere" in their prayers. There are people who follow blindly all for the sake of riches or health or whatever reasons their "gods" are supposed to bless them with. And then there are those who fight in the name of their god.

I have been in different religious communities, and i too have many friends from all religions. All i have to say is, a religion is there to give hope in times of despair, and more importantly, to have teachings that encourage people to do good. I never believe that a religions teaching is to ask their followers to take the lives of others, rather it is a misinterpretation of their followers or just that few who uses religion to manipulate others for their own selfish needs.

 

Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 01:23:14 AM »
 

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My preference these days would be Zen Buddhism, were I to declare a religion.  It's completely godless!  :))  Buddha is a revered figure, but he was merely a man and is not worshipped like a god.
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Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2014, 09:03:08 PM »
 

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Well,I have to agree.  I vote for Buddhism.  I think your body is suppose to be your temple and you find enlightenment or God through your mind.  The only problem for me is I don't treat my temple that good.  I've pretty much giving up on organized religion.  Most of them have been destructive one way or another.  Take for instance, the Mayan written language. 

Use and knowledge of the Maya script continued until the 16th century Spanish conquest at least. Bishop Diego de Landa Calderón of the Catholic Archdiocese of Yucatán prohibited the use of the written language, effectively ending the Mesoamerican tradition of literacy in the native script. He worked with the Spanish colonizers to destroy the bulk of Mayan texts as part of his efforts to convert the locals to Christianity and away from what he perceived as pagan idolatry.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_languages

Found a new video explaining ISIS.  Don't worry, it's rated PG.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQPlREDW-Ro

But of course, I think us humans are still a very primitive species.  We all don't speak the same language.  The problem is language is culture.  If you lose a language, you also lose the culture that goes along with it.  The only thing I know is because there are not any seas or mountains to divide us  there will be no new languages and eventually we will all speak one tongue.  What I find funny is

 

Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 11:39:32 PM »
 

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What I find funny is

...uncompleted sentences?  You ended your post in mid-sentence!
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Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 03:56:10 PM »
 

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but to be fair, a true Buddhist would probably not consider themselves to be "religious."  Buddhism is neither a religion in the sense in which that word is commonly understood, because it is not "a system of faith and worship owing any allegiance to a supernatural being. Of course some would argue that Buddhism could be considered a religion because its various forms share a system of thought that is considered to be the highest truth. Buddhism does involve moral codes, practices, values, traditions and rituals. So it's all in how you use the word.
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Re: Who is ISIS?
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but to be fair, a true Buddhist would probably not consider themselves to be "religious."  Buddhism is neither a religion in the sense in which that word is commonly understood, because it is not "a system of faith and worship owing any allegiance to a supernatural being. Of course some would argue that Buddhism could be considered a religion because its various forms share a system of thought that is considered to be the highest truth. Buddhism does involve moral codes, practices, values, traditions and rituals. So it's all in how you use the word.

The belief in and worship of a deity is not required for a religion - a belief system held onto by faith would be enough.  And there are Buddhists in Tibet that do indeed worship the Buddha and revere the Dalai Lama.  Zen Buddhism is worship-free.  In fact, ninth-century master Lin Chi created the koan, "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him."  Why?  Because to turn the Buddha into a religious fetish is to miss the essence of what he taught.
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Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2014, 10:34:06 AM »
 

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hence my brother is in a band called "Killing Buddha"
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Re: Who is ISIS?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2014, 04:15:47 PM »
 

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hence my brother is in a band called "Killing Buddha"

Touché!

Now, did he choose the band name out of his Buddhist beliefs, or because he thought it sounded cool?  :))
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