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Yashi · « **Reply #25 on:** February 22, 2014, 09:36:08 PM »

Looks good so far. Based on the colored mock up of the King of Hearts, I think the index could pop out more because it get's hard to see with all the interlacing.

sastian · « **Reply #26 on:** February 22, 2014, 11:14:08 PM »

I agree. im still working out the design in thumbnails.... ill post some options soon.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #27 on:** February 23, 2014, 02:48:10 AM »

Quote from: sastian on February 21, 2014, 02:00:27 AM

in a conversation with my wife about how to handle the number cards we cam up with this concept.. Ill refine it more to have a real comparison later.. this is just a fast thumbnail sketch.

Take a look at the Deck of the Living Dead by Bent Castle Workshops. They employ a similar design.

Quote from: sastian on February 22, 2014, 10:25:35 AM

Don pointed out that i might be at risk of plagiarism, which i thought by posting in public would only deter anyone from buying a deck that was known about in advance... but for that reason i may be culling through this thread today and cleaning up. that will slow down what i post for sure if i have to go through watermarking files... I guess i was mimicking what im used to in automotive build threads and was trying to build the enthusiasm ive seen surrounding those. but then its hard to steal a car that way

Yeah, I just pointed out the experience Emmanuel had with the release of the Curator deck - a print company in Russia released the deck in that country before HOPC did, having copied the artwork that he posted online. The back is generic as is the box, but the faces are all his designs. Ironically, the company gave design credit for the deck to a pseudonym he uses on one of the art boards - DeviantArt, I think. There's lots of posts about this on the topic for the Curator deck, should anyone be interested in reading more about it. Russians apparently have a deep fondness for playing cards, printing all kinds of designs, good or bad, copyrighted or not, licensed or not...paying royalties or NOT...

It's better to limit how much of a deck you release before printing, and making what you do release difficult to accurately copy by using watermarks and skewed-angle photography/rendering.

sastian · « **Reply #28 on:** February 23, 2014, 04:10:46 PM »

thanks for the insight, i am just anxious to build buzz and get these on KS to see where all this can go... Do you think i should take down more?

Don Boyer · « **Reply #29 on:** February 23, 2014, 06:46:24 PM »

Quote from: sastian on February 23, 2014, 04:10:46 PM

thanks for the insight, i am just anxious to build buzz and get these on KS to see where all this can go... Do you think i should take down more?

Don't go too crazy with it. You do want you backers to see something, right?

sastian · « **Reply #30 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:09:45 PM »

LOL, you just keep me in check Don!

sastian · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2014, 09:14:32 PM »

first face card is about an hour from being finalized! (the rest will go much quicker now that a standard is being set)

sastian · « **Reply #32 on:** February 26, 2014, 06:59:20 AM »

What am I still doing awake??? I'm trying to build a master template of course.

Daniel Wilson · « **Reply #33 on:** February 26, 2014, 08:42:21 PM »

I like this concept very much.
I have absolutely no artistic skill myself, but I'm always interested to see the process of design
and development from those who do. You make it seem so simple, but I know full well it isn't. ^_^;
I noticed you're using the Arrco face cards for your models; I wonder what you'll do with the
curlicue-thingy the jack of spades is holding...

sastian · « **Reply #34 on:** February 26, 2014, 11:08:18 PM »

i dont know what ill do, but ill sketch out a concept right now.

sastian · « **Reply #35 on:** February 26, 2014, 11:14:22 PM »

Hogier, Danish knight of Charlemagne

Called “Hogier” on the French deck: origin is uncertain, but perhaps after Ogier the Dane from the Song of Rolland. He has a feather in his hat. He faces forward, a little to the right. On the English deck, he holds an unidentifiable object (initially a spear). He has a mustache. He faces right, and is seen in profile.
http://www.madore.org/~david/misc/cards.html

Wiki:
In Hindi card Jack is called as "Gulaam" meaning servant. In late 20th century the power held by Jack was challenged in some card games Later on in Indian card game called "Teen patti" or "Flash" a term was coined for Jacks in the deck to justify the power they held over other cards. People started calling them Jaats (An Indian fighting caste). "Jaat"(Jack) of "hukum"(Spades) is considered to be most powerful of all Jacks. The name "Jaats" for Jacks was first used by Ashutosh Tomar, who now resides in the United Kingdom.

sastian · « **Reply #36 on:** February 26, 2014, 11:24:13 PM »

Jack of Spades

DIRECT
BLUNT
AUTHORITATIVE
OVERBEARING
INCISIVE
CUTTING
KNOWLEDGEABLE
OPINIONATED
LOGICAL
UNFEELING

On the positive side, the Jack of Spades is a master of logic and reason. He has a keen intellect that grasps the fine points of any subject. He speaks clearly, directly and always with authority. His judgments are sure and free of emotion. Others rely on his lucid analyses of problems and solutions. On the negative side, this Jack is not a master of diplomacy. He can be downright tactless and rude. When he thinks you are wrong, you'll know it. He's convinced of his own superiority and has little tolerance for stupidity. He expects others to comply with his views. To him, feelings are irrelevant and illogical.

-from UC

sastian · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2014, 12:03:36 AM »

started and left the train station!

kdklown · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2014, 04:28:52 AM »

An absolutely lovely representation of the Jack. I'm not sure if it was intentional but if the left shoulder/side is inverted an met with the right shoulder/side it creates a rudimentary spade pip. If it was intentional kudos. If not then perhaps it could be continued throughout the courts. Either way lovely work!

Paul Carpenter · « **Reply #39 on:** February 27, 2014, 10:02:50 AM »

This is very nice work, definitely keep at it. You clearly have a passion and talent here and it's great to see your process and refinements. Take your time, get it right, and I have no doubt you can have some good success with this design. Lovely back design, very appealing and usable.

sastian · « **Reply #40 on:** February 27, 2014, 12:12:50 PM »

and this is just the first step in the design where i layout the "lacing" it will need to have dimension added to it and then be vectorized. This is just the best way for me to work out the balance and flow.

sastian · « **Reply #41 on:** February 27, 2014, 03:59:09 PM »

heres where it has evolved to...

Shebhnt · « **Reply #42 on:** February 27, 2014, 05:22:12 PM »

This just keeps getting better and better. I really do love how you have used perspective to make it "pop out".

I'm interested in how you are going to keep up the look with the regular number cards. The sketch you had looks good but wondering how you will balance being able to read the card (actually being able to count the number of pips) and still having this cool interconnected design.

sastian · « **Reply #43 on:** February 27, 2014, 06:25:59 PM »

the number cards are still a question for me too, but i think im going to make it a simple "punch" look to keep them playable... ill mock up a few options later for debate...

Anyway... Heres where the jack of spades is...

Too much??

sastian · « **Reply #44 on:** February 27, 2014, 08:46:22 PM »

Well, Q.C. ( aka my wife) walked in and thought it was a bowl of spaghetti. sooo ON to revision 2

sastian · « **Reply #45 on:** February 28, 2014, 09:27:22 AM »

Quote from: Encarded on February 27, 2014, 10:02:50 AM

This is very nice work, definitely keep at it. You clearly have a passion and talent here and it's great to see your process and refinements. Take your time, get it right, and I have no doubt you can have some good success with this design. Lovely back design, very appealing and usable.

Thanks for your opinion on the usability of the back design.. i would love to get a sample printed to get it in hand to test with.. any ideas?

sastian · « **Reply #46 on:** February 28, 2014, 10:27:18 AM »

The queen of clubs has just gotten a lot more attractive

( shes getting some curves.)

Shebhnt · « **Reply #47 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:22:14 PM »

Quote from: sastian on February 28, 2014, 09:27:22 AM

Quote from: Encarded on February 27, 2014, 10:02:50 AM
This is very nice work, definitely keep at it. You clearly have a passion and talent here and it's great to see your process and refinements. Take your time, get it right, and I have no doubt you can have some good success with this design. Lovely back design, very appealing and usable.
Thanks for your opinion on the usability of the back design.. i would love to get a sample printed to get it in hand to test with.. any ideas?

You could try makeplayingcards.com, it seems like they can offer the best quality. If you just want to get it the cheapest I heard that art cow prints well and usually has really good deals.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #48 on:** March 01, 2014, 01:24:06 AM »

Many designers I've spoken to use MPC for test decks - they're not 100% USPC-quality, but they're close enough in most cases for a demo deck, with the only major deficiencies being in the handling rather than the printing.

USPC will make you a demo if you want, but they charge several times more and even then it's not the exact same quality due to the deck being printed on a souped-up version of a laser printer rather than a printing press with the actual plates and ink colors that will be the end result product of your full order. I recall someone telling me that they aren't even coated. Hence the reason why so many people go to MPC for a demo deck!

Having a demo deck makes having a demo video on your project page very much simpler without having to resort to computer-generated cards floating around in space.

sastian · « **Reply #49 on:** March 01, 2014, 02:20:37 AM »

thanks for the advice... ill make sure to send a order without faces just to see how the backs look.

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