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Which 3 standard decks would you recommend to a friend? Standard decks are usually decks that come in either red or blue.

I recommended artifice decks, studs, and bikes to her earlier but she is looking for more options before buying cards
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 03:26:20 AM »
 

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Well that's a new way of defining standard decks.
But the artifice deck also comes in green though.
 

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Yes, a lot of standard decks come in green or black as well. Crowns, arrcos etc
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 03:53:51 AM »
 

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I would say alladins, bikes and tallys.
 

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Yeah Tallys for sure! Great cards that get overlooked a lot. They can be hard to find depending on where you live. For Don it's easy since they stock them in his area (I'm pretty sure haha) but I can only find them online, not anywhere near me.

Besides that bikes are always great! haha (the most obvious other answer ;) )
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 04:19:42 AM »
 

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Re: good standard decks?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 04:27:24 AM »
 

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I wouldn't necessarily consider Artifice a standard deck, nor any other deck made by a magic company or a specialty retailer.  In my mind, a standard deck is widely available from a major manufacturer, found in shops and markets all over the place.  In bartenders' parlance, it's the equivalent of the "call drink" - the speed rack/"well drinks" are the cheap, practically nameless brands, the call brands are the ones people ask for by name, and the "top shelf" are the premium drinks for those with fatter wallets and discerning palates.

Under this definition, there are few standard decks in the US.  Tally Ho wouldn't qualify - it's a regional brand rarely seen outside of New York.  Studs wouldn't really fit the bill, either - they're made specifically for a single pharmacy chain, Walgreen's, and although far-reaching, I don't think their chain has so blanketed the country as to be as common as McDonald's or Target.  Mavericks are also regional, though the region is larger than that of Tally Ho; I couldn't find a Maverick deck in any average retail location outside of a cards/magic shop anywhere in the Northeast without looking very, VERY hard - and I'd still probably fail.  Even a national brand like Aviator wouldn't qualify since it's mostly found only in airports.  Aladdins are great for humid climates like in the South - but again, outside of specialty stores, you won't find them in the US (in Singapore I'm told they're more common than Bikes).

Some decks that would fit my definition:

Bicycle Rider Back, of course - poker and bridge sizes, standard, jumbo and Lo-Vision indices
Bee Diamond Back poker size, standard index
Hoyle Shell Back poker size, standard and jumbo index
Streamline poker size, standard and jumbo index
Congress bridge size, standard index
Kem poker and bridge sizes, standard and jumbo indices


Bees come in jumbo index but they aren't common, and while they did make a bridge size, it's not in the current USPC catalog, meaning it's not in print at this time.  Hoyle bridge size, same thing - not common.  But the others can be found nearly anywhere - walk into any pharmacy, department store, stationery shop, etc., and they'll carry at least a couple or three different items on my list above.  With the exception of the plastic Kem decks, all of the above are available for $3-$4 at retail, sometimes less, and some can be had in bulk for barely over a buck a deck.  Streamline is carried by WalMart for only a dollar a pack, making it both the most ubiquitous and cheapest of the lot.

Before anyone could recommend something to a person, they'd need to know exactly what they need.  For what purpose does your friend want standard decks?  Cardistry, poker, sleight-of-hand magic, a few rounds of Go Fish with the kiddies before bedtime, bridge night with the gals?

FLOURISHING: Of the decks listed, Bikes and Hoyles are probably the best for flourishing; Bees have a good stock but a terrible back design for showing off back fans and spreads.

MAGIC: Practically any of them, except perhaps the Congress, are reasonably suited for magic (some might not like the Kem for magic, but some magicians swear by plastic decks that handle well and Kem's the brand every other company compares their plastic cards to).  Women or children (or anyone with small hands) getting into sleight of hand may find a bridge deck fits their hands more comfortably than a poker deck - some Asian magicians prefer bridge-sized and some magician's decks like Japanese magician Mr. Maric are made bridge-sized.

KIDS: A cheaper deck like the Congress or Streamline would be fine for playing with the kids, and Congress is, like Kem, usually sold in matched two-deck sets.  Many younger kids will find a bridge size deck easier to handle; just stay away from the ones with gilded edges

POKER NIGHT: Any bridge-sized or poker-sized model above is suitable for poker except maybe the Congress because they're usually made with one-way back designs, and poker players are leaving paper decks for plastic ones in larger numbers, so Kem would be the top choice unless you're playing with a bunch of guys who love to abuse cards - for them, just get the cheapest, Streamline.  Poker size cards are good for many poker games involving holding a hand, by for games where you have hole cards and face-up cards like 7-Card Stud or Texas Hold 'Em, bridge-sized are better.  For players preferring paper and poker-sized, Bee is the best, followed by Bikes and Hoyles.

BRIDGE NIGHT: Bridge sized decks, naturally.  On a budget, get Congress.  Want an upgrade, get Bicycle or Hoyle (which are out there but not as easily found as Bikes).  Want to go premium (and save cash in the long run because of durability), get Kem.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 04:36:43 AM »
 

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What about Aviators?
 

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 04:58:12 AM »
 

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What about Aviators?

They're not as commonly found outside of airports.

Quality-wise, they're not much different from Streamlines - which cost less and have a nicer back.  I actually rather like Streamlines - cheap price but not cheaply made.  Both decks are in essence smooth versions of Bicycles in terms of quality, and Streamlines use Arrco faces while Aviators have Bike faces.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 05:12:11 AM »
 

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My top 3 'standard' would be Stud, Tally, Bicycle in that order.

If you're looking only for a standard 'design' and if availability is not a factor, then I'd suggest Richard Turner's Gold Standard Bikes.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 05:36:00 AM »
 

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My top 3 'standard' would be Stud, Tally, Bicycle in that order.

If you're looking only for a standard 'design' and if availability is not a factor, then I'd suggest Richard Turner's Gold Standard Bikes.

They're good, but remember - they're also out of print, so supplies are limited, despite their current availability and reasonable price.

Personally, I love Tally Ho - they've been around practically forever (meaning since a few decades before World War I), and despite the stock change, they're still good all-around cards.  I love the Circle Backs, but since learning of the one-way mark, my opinion has been shifting.  That mark is actually relatively recent - it wasn't always present since the design was created, but came about as some sort of QC error that went unnoticed (or was intentionally overlooked).  Older Tally Ho Circle Backs don't have that flaw.  (But in this case, a card player's flaw is a magician's feature...)

Studs are also great cards, a less-expensive alternative to Bicycles at a reasonable price.  Many magicians prefer the card backs on these, and if I'm remembering correctly, they also use Arrco faces.

But in both cases, it's the availability issue.  If you were a working magician, carrying a few decks with you, and they were somehow stolen or destroyed, how easy would they be to replace that moment, assuming you had to be performing in just a few hours?  You can find Studs - if you are near a Walgreen's pharmacy, but they aren't everywhere in the country yet and certainly not overseas.  You can find Tally Ho - if you're near a card specialty shop or in New York City, and even in NYC they aren't just anywhere; you have to hunt them down.

Bicycle decks are available in practically every city in the country, in nearly every store that sells playing cards.

It's my opinion, but I think that the definition of a "standard" deck would be something that's readily available in most places, and certainly not something custom-made like an Ellusionist deck or a Turner deck.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 06:18:19 AM »
 

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My top 3 'standard' would be Stud, Tally, Bicycle in that order.

If you're looking only for a standard 'design' and if availability is not a factor, then I'd suggest Richard Turner's Gold Standard Bikes.

They're good, but remember - they're also out of print, so supplies are limited, despite their current availability and reasonable price.

Personally, I love Tally Ho - they've been around practically forever (meaning since a few decades before World War I), and despite the stock change, they're still good all-around cards.  I love the Circle Backs, but since learning of the one-way mark, my opinion has been shifting.  That mark is actually relatively recent - it wasn't always present since the design was created, but came about as some sort of QC error that went unnoticed (or was intentionally overlooked).  Older Tally Ho Circle Backs don't have that flaw.  (But in this case, a card player's flaw is a magician's feature...)

Studs are also great cards, a less-expensive alternative to Bicycles at a reasonable price.  Many magicians prefer the card backs on these, and if I'm remembering correctly, they also use Arrco faces.

But in both cases, it's the availability issue.  If you were a working magician, carrying a few decks with you, and they were somehow stolen or destroyed, how easy would they be to replace that moment, assuming you had to be performing in just a few hours?  You can find Studs - if you are near a Walgreen's pharmacy, but they aren't everywhere in the country yet and certainly not overseas.  You can find Tally Ho - if you're near a card specialty shop or in New York City, and even in NYC they aren't just anywhere; you have to hunt them down.

Bicycle decks are available in practically every city in the country, in nearly every store that sells playing cards.

It's my opinion, but I think that the definition of a "standard" deck would be something that's readily available in most places, and certainly not something custom-made like an Ellusionist deck or a Turner deck.

I never meant to say that the Turners are 'standard'. I just meant they're good if you want standard design the concept of availability excluded.

Availability for me by definition is eBay. I live in India, so all the cards I get are online. Thus, for me, its a pretty good deal. Also, I usually buy in bricks the cards I use daily. So, getting a brick of studs is very economical.

The last tallies I opened (bought from penguin) were, well meh. The stock is flimsy, the finish is the same as bikes. So, I would keep bikes over tallies.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 10:54:43 AM »
 

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My top 3 'standard' would be Stud, Tally, Bicycle in that order.

If you're looking only for a standard 'design' and if availability is not a factor, then I'd suggest Richard Turner's Gold Standard Bikes.

They're good, but remember - they're also out of print, so supplies are limited, despite their current availability and reasonable price.

Personally, I love Tally Ho - they've been around practically forever (meaning since a few decades before World War I), and despite the stock change, they're still good all-around cards.  I love the Circle Backs, but since learning of the one-way mark, my opinion has been shifting.  That mark is actually relatively recent - it wasn't always present since the design was created, but came about as some sort of QC error that went unnoticed (or was intentionally overlooked).  Older Tally Ho Circle Backs don't have that flaw.  (But in this case, a card player's flaw is a magician's feature...)

Studs are also great cards, a less-expensive alternative to Bicycles at a reasonable price.  Many magicians prefer the card backs on these, and if I'm remembering correctly, they also use Arrco faces.

But in both cases, it's the availability issue.  If you were a working magician, carrying a few decks with you, and they were somehow stolen or destroyed, how easy would they be to replace that moment, assuming you had to be performing in just a few hours?  You can find Studs - if you are near a Walgreen's pharmacy, but they aren't everywhere in the country yet and certainly not overseas.  You can find Tally Ho - if you're near a card specialty shop or in New York City, and even in NYC they aren't just anywhere; you have to hunt them down.

Bicycle decks are available in practically every city in the country, in nearly every store that sells playing cards.

It's my opinion, but I think that the definition of a "standard" deck would be something that's readily available in most places, and certainly not something custom-made like an Ellusionist deck or a Turner deck.

I never meant to say that the Turners are 'standard'. I just meant they're good if you want standard design the concept of availability excluded.

Availability for me by definition is eBay. I live in India, so all the cards I get are online. Thus, for me, its a pretty good deal. Also, I usually buy in bricks the cards I use daily. So, getting a brick of studs is very economical.

The last tallies I opened (bought from penguin) were, well meh. The stock is flimsy, the finish is the same as bikes. So, I would keep bikes over tallies.


Check the first letter in the code on the Ace of Spades.  Decks made in 2009 (code letter L) and 2010 (code letter M) had a good chance of being made in the Erlanger, Kentucky plant during the "shakedown" phase after it opened - even if the box says Cincinnati, Ohio on it.  Decks with black sticker seals could have been made in either plant if the box states it's from Cincinnati, while blue or red seals were made in Cincinnati.


The old Cincinnati decks are highly sought after, because they had good quality control and the older decks used the original Tally Ho stock.  Shakedown phase decks from Erlanger were lower in quality, but decks from 2011 forward have better quality controls than the Cincinnati decks - by that point the new production equipment was working smoothly and could outperform the old Cincinnati hardware.  Newer decks, however, don't use the same Tally Ho stock, which USPC no longer orders.  They instead use a variant of Aristocrat stock.  I can't say there's a huge difference, and I can say that the current stock if of decent quality, better than Bikes for certain.


But I wouldn't say current-stock Bicycles are the worst made - they're decent all-around cards.  Turner Bikes are great, for sure, as are the newer CARC Professional Bicycles.  The Pro Bikes don't come in blue, only red, but there are twelve different designs of box - six are Ivory Finish (smooth surface), six are Air Cushion Finish (textured), and each box has a different set of two card reveals built into the box.  They're made of Bee Casino stock and are traditionally cut.


So, since you are from India, I have to ask you - have you used any Archduke Playing Cards yet?  They're a new playing card company, I think from Mumbai.  The company owner logs in here often.
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To mix things up a bit and to make this thread more interesting list 3 standards you do not recommend as well as the ones you do recommend.

And for the sake of expanding the amount of decks to discuss, for this thread only and not to change any other's definition of standard, standard decks are cards made with the intention of playing games or cards made with the intention to perform whatever you do with generic more ordinary colored backs usually(but not always) in red or blue ie artifice, crowns, etc

I don't recommend all-in, aviators, or blue dragon backs. Blue dragon backs are very cool but they killed it with the blue spot cards making games odd and fans look pretty dull from far away.
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I'd say Artifice, Bicycle Masters Edition, and Tally Ho
 

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I'd say Artifice, Bicycle Masters Edition, and Tally Ho

Those are all great decks! Why would you not recommend them??
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I'd say Artifice, Bicycle Masters Edition, and Tally Ho

Those are all great decks! Why would you not recommend them??
I was answering the original question :P
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I'd say Artifice, Bicycle Masters Edition, and Tally Ho

Those are all great decks! Why would you not recommend them??
I was answering the original question :P
I recommend those decks!

Oh gotcha. The post aboved you posed a different question so I thought you were not recommending those decks :P
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Hmmm... I would define any deck printed in an initially unlimited run by the manufacturer, so to me a standard deck from the USPCC would be Bikes, Bees, Streamlines, Aviators, Aladdins etc. etc.

For me, the best standards would be Steamboat, Tally-Ho and Bee (casino, bordered). 

In regards to what Don said earlier, I don't think standard Bees have great stock; I find it crimps very easily.  It's one of the things that, I would say, doesn't make them great for Poker Night... but does make them GREAT for cheating at Poker Night.
 

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Hmmm... I would define any deck printed in an initially unlimited run by the manufacturer, so to me a standard deck from the USPCC would be Bikes, Bees, Streamlines, Aviators, Aladdins etc. etc.

For me, the best standards would be Steamboat, Tally-Ho and Bee (casino, bordered). 

In regards to what Don said earlier, I don't think standard Bees have great stock; I find it crimps very easily.  It's one of the things that, I would say, doesn't make them great for Poker Night... but does make them GREAT for cheating at Poker Night.


...well played, sir!  :))

I don't know if I'd call Steamboats standard anymore.  They're out of print now, aren't they?  That should be an additional criteria - a standard deck should be in print, thus easily obtained at the MSRP or lower in many kinds of shops (or one really huge chain store found everywhere) and not just at a premium from collectors or specialty shops.

My bests are listed already.  My worsts...

Mavericks are terrible.  Can't faro worth a damn, don't bother trying to fan them.  It's USPC's answer to the 99-cent store deck.

While "All In" isn't available everywhere, it is available from WalMart in the US, so it might as well be.  Not a good deck.

ANY cheap deck from a 99-cent store, especially the ones sold in two-deck packs for 99 cents, are GODAWFUL.  Up there with them are the Chinese Bee counterfeit decks, also usually found in 99-cent stores.

"Vegas" brand in paper is a small improvement over All In, but they're plastic deck is flimsy as hell, and hard to shuffle, but they're probably the thinnest plastic cards out there.  (That's not necessarily a good thing.)

US Game Systems makes a Rally poker deck in paper.  They're a few millimeters larger than the standard size and the quality is questionable.  Tuck box sucks, too.

CartaMundi puts out a plastic deck as well as a paper one under the Ace brand.  For the plastics, I've seen a limited-edition deck in red/blue with black airplanes on the backs and standard indices.  Shiny plastic, clingy, awful.  On the other hand, the edition that isn't limited and has all-red or all-blue backs with jumbo indices is shockingly good for a plastic deck.  Alex was surprised when he visited me a few months back.  The texture and feel is similar to a powdered paper deck with thick stock.  Ace plastic decks are sold in Barnes and Noble, as are Bicycle Prestige in the big, bulky black box.

ON A RELATED NOTE:
I'll be creating a topic soon, which I hope to get pinned to the top of the Plethora, covering the cheapest prices found for standard decks like the ones we're discussing here.  Check it out, and I'll need info from you nice folks.  The first post will be constantly updated, just like the coupon codes and the upcoming decks topics.  Cheers!
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 02:02:29 PM »
 

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Wow. Hard to choose.
I would say:
- Tallys
- Bikes
- Bees
- Studs
- Artifice
- Arrcos

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2012, 09:54:31 AM »
 

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Arrco's, tally's, aladdin's. All Ohio made, yeah, Im a hipster like that.
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