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Deboziology · « **on:** March 08, 2012, 07:58:37 AM »

Hello guys, I'm interested in learning gambling cheats and false dealing. What material would be good to start of? I've alr have Expert At The Card Table but I'll prefer a DVD material! Thanks!

digipunk · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2012, 08:14:08 AM »

You may find Allen Ackerman's DVD version of EATCT: http://allanackerman.com/

Kanped · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2012, 02:15:15 PM »

http://www.danielmadison.co.uk/HTCAC.html

Very well written material from possibly the best well-known card cheat alive today.

http://www.magictricks.co.uk/products/1-STREET/4595-Weapons-of-the-Card-Shark-DVD/

This has just about everything that could be of use to you in it; very comprehensive, very good.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2012, 06:06:16 AM »

i have bought How to cheat at cards by dainel madison .. learning from a book is quite difficult .. i would recommed buying foundation v1 .. this is the link http://www.theory11.com/tricks/foundations-volume-two.php .. $50 usd

digipunk · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2012, 06:27:26 AM »

Actually I recommend that you should get an overview of all gambling moves from Richard Turner (The Cheat) and Steve Forte (Gambling Protection series). They are not tutorials but they demonstrate all the possible and dangerous sleights at the gambling table.

phantom1412 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2012, 06:29:16 AM »

If you want to know how they cheat, I highly recommend Gambling Protection Series by Steve Forte.
These set don't teach you how to cheat, but rather what cheating method are there.
And I think these are the best DVDs set that covered almost all method available.

But if you want to learn how to do it. (If you wanna try it yourself)
Then I would recommend the one that Kanped suggested, Weapons of the card shark.

digipunk · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2012, 06:43:49 AM »

@phantom1412, I posted that earlier than you by almost 2 mins

phantom1412 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2012, 06:45:44 AM »

Quote from: digipunk on March 09, 2012, 06:43:49 AM

@phantom1412, I posted that earlier than you by almost 2 mins

Opps, sorry.
I was searching for the DVD's name, and I saw the warning that someone just posted before me, but I didn't read it.

digipunk · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2012, 06:48:46 AM »

Quote from: phantom1412 on March 09, 2012, 06:45:44 AM

Quote from: digipunk on March 09, 2012, 06:43:49 AM
@phantom1412, I posted that earlier than you by almost 2 mins

Opps, sorry.
I was searching for the DVD's name, and I saw the warning that someone just posted before me, but I didn't read it.

Why say sorry, great minds think alike.

Daniel Madison is creative but not really an expert at gambling table IMO.

phantom1412 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2012, 06:50:35 AM »

It might be not think alike things.
Those are just DVDs that I watched

Kanped · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2012, 12:50:46 PM »

Quote from: digipunk on March 09, 2012, 06:48:46 AM

Daniel Madison is creative but not really an expert at gambling table IMO.

Seriously? He worked as a pro cheat for years. For my money, he's got the best second-deal around; look at this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tISfCnbkh1k

I'm not even 100% sure it IS a second deal.

AceGambit · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2012, 12:56:04 PM »

Quote from: Kanped on March 09, 2012, 12:50:46 PM

I'm not even 100% sure it IS a second deal.

It's not, it's a bottom deal.

As far as gambling videos are concerned, I HIGHLY recommend Damien Nieman's "Fast Company". It's a fantastic video and very well rounded.

For those of you unaware, Damien Nieman is the director of the movie 'Shade'. He along with Jason England and a few others, taught all the actors in the movie how to perform the gambling sleights. he's a good instructor, and everything in the video is very well explained.

digipunk · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:00:34 PM »

Quote from: Kanped on March 09, 2012, 12:50:46 PM

Quote from: digipunk on March 09, 2012, 06:48:46 AM
Daniel Madison is creative but not really an expert at gambling table IMO.

Seriously? He worked as a pro cheat for years. For my money, he's got the best second-deal around; look at this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tISfCnbkh1k

I'm not even 100% sure it IS a second deal.

It's not second deal my friend. If I haven't seen other experts ability I would not say he is not an expert. He can't even do table faro well.

AceGambit · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:04:26 PM »

Quote from: digipunk on March 09, 2012, 01:00:34 PM

He can't even do table faro well.

I don't know if you've read Expert at the Card Table, but one of my favorite points in the book that the author makes is that in order to be a successful cheat, you cannot look like you know how to handle a deck of cards well.\

It may be that Madison is such a seasoned cheat that he has trained himself to do a table faro the way a layman would so as not to arouse suspicion.

digipunk · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:11:56 PM »

Quote from: AceGambit on March 09, 2012, 01:04:26 PM

Quote from: digipunk on March 09, 2012, 01:00:34 PM
He can't even do table faro well.
I don't know if you've read Expert at the Card Table, but one of my favorite points in the book that the author makes is that in order to be a successful cheat, you cannot look like you know how to handle a deck of cards well.\

It may be that Madison is such a seasoned cheat that he has trained himself to do a table faro the way a layman would so as not to arouse suspicion.

I've read EATCT more than 20 times my friend. A table faro should look like regular riffle shuffle instead of letting all spectators know he's interlacing the cards.

AceGambit · « **Reply #15 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:26:18 PM »

Ah, my apologies, I didn't mean to insinuate that you hadn't read it, I was merely using it as a reference point. I've actually never seen Daniel Madison perform outside of the video of him on Penn & Teller's 'Fool Us', so I couldn't be an accurate judge of his skill. My aim was to suggest that perhaps his true skill is masked by his training to look like a layman while at a card table.

digipunk · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:38:59 PM »

@AceGambit, then it's my apologies that I misunderstood what you meant.

(I thought you don't know what's real table faro shuffle in the previous post, but now I saw you mentioned what he did in the video so I think you know the sleight)

@Kanpet, in your link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tISfCnbkh1k) Daniel Madison did a poor table faro at 33".

Jin Jian · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2012, 09:12:27 PM »

do you guys know where can i learn table faro ?

phantom1412 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 09, 2012, 11:18:07 PM »

Quote from: hawjinjian on March 09, 2012, 09:12:27 PM

do you guys know where can i learn table faro ?

D&D Trilogy

digipunk · « **Reply #19 on:** March 09, 2012, 11:23:54 PM »

Quote from: phantom1412 on March 09, 2012, 11:18:07 PM

Quote from: hawjinjian on March 09, 2012, 09:12:27 PM
do you guys know where can i learn table faro ?

D&D Trilogy

No, it's not the table "Riffle" faro I mean. In D&D's tutorial, it is just like what Daniel did in his video. Everyone knows they're interlacing the cards.

@hawjinjian, I really don't want to show my video. Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLU0NcVXQDQ
A regular riffle shuffle, followed by a table riffle faro. The purpose of table riffle faro is to interlace the cards. It looks and sounds like regular riffle shuffle. Once it is done, the deck is stacked.

saurabh · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:05:03 AM »

Great job on the faro Digipunk. I'm still practicing. Always miss by a few

I will second the Gambling Protection Series.

Also, if you want to do Pseudo-Gambling moves, its basically gambling moves but not as extensive in sleight of hand, then Benjamin Earl's Past Midnight is a good DVD. A couple of tricks there are really good.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2012, 08:47:22 AM »

Quote from: saurabh on March 13, 2012, 06:05:03 AM

Great job on the faro Digipunk. I'm still practicing. Always miss by a few

I will second the Gambling Protection Series.

Also, if you want to do Pseudo-Gambling moves, its basically gambling moves but not as extensive in sleight of hand, then Benjamin Earl's Past Midnight is a good DVD. A couple of tricks there are really good.

this may be out of the question .. but on your cherry control pratice .. what is the deck ?? if i am not wrong i think i saw luffy with second gear on the deck ..

digipunk · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2012, 01:47:49 PM »

@saurabh, thank. Also, I like Benjamin Eral much, you might know that from my videos.

@hawjinjian, you guess (very easy).

Jin Jian · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2012, 11:18:43 PM »

jack dainels ?? LOL WTF AT 1st I THOUGHT IT WAS SOME ANIME CHARACTER !!

digipunk · « **Reply #24 on:** March 15, 2012, 12:02:01 PM »

Quote from: hawjinjian on March 13, 2012, 11:18:43 PM

jack dainels ?? LOL WTF AT 1st I THOUGHT IT WAS SOME ANIME CHARACTER !!

Most anime decks are poor for handling.