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ReaganM · « **on:** February 14, 2012, 01:17:13 PM »

Ok so for my next deck of cards I want to take most of my advice from you guys, with my last deck of cards I didnt really listen to peoples needs before I made the project on kickstarter (10 days left, in my sig) . The type of deck Im going for is mainly for poker players, with classy art and card stock that can withstand a thousand uses and great handeling. Here is what I came up with so far, keep in mind this is a VERY early rendition of the art, and everything is up for change.

Cardstock: Archduke quality plastic.
Ink: The gold border and monkey rings will use metallic ink.
The art:

One will come in gold and one in silver.

loldudex2 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:37:05 PM »

Although I'm not a big fan of plastic decks, I feel that this looks great, but if this is the back, I feel it should be a two way back, so possibly have the gorilla on both sides mirrored. other then that, this looks great, and is a very promising start. Goodluck

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:44:06 PM »

It's kind of creepy, and also 20$ for 2 decks seems like a lot, especially if domestic shipping isn't included, but it looks like a nice start! Also, I think you should also have a pledge for 1 deck, only very limited, because I think many people will only be willing to buy 1 deck and no more.

AceGambit · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2012, 02:06:27 PM »

$20 for 2 decks isn't outrageously priced for plastic cards. Take a look at the price tags on Bicycle Prestige or Kem cards.

ReaganM · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2012, 02:37:33 PM »

I suppose I could do them for less maybe 15$ but the thing is it costs about 4-5$ per deck to print. And there will be a pledge for 1 deck. What do you guys feel about the whole copag vs KEM thing?
Also I understand that magicians and shady people like one way backs so they can mark their cards, but how much of the card doe they actually need to see? I thought that maybe this ape was far enough in the middle that it wouldnt matter, but then again I dont know much on ways to cheat etc.

AceGambit · « **Reply #5 on:** February 14, 2012, 02:44:55 PM »

I do like the design, but if you are designing this deck to be used for poker, I seriously advise against a one-way back, even a subtle one. The subtle one-way backs are nice for magicians cause we can flip a card and then spot it without anyone knowing how. The obvious one-way backs, they scream novelty more than anything. I feel like anything that's just clearly a one way back is just a little too gift-shop esque, but that's my opinion. I vote for 2 monkeys.

ReaganM · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2012, 02:48:59 PM »

Ok I submit, 2 monkeys. Should have the second draw up tonight. What about the diamonds in the back should I keep them the same size or make them smaller? If im shrinking the monkeys heads im thinking smaller, like bee size.

AceGambit · « **Reply #7 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:02:04 PM »

I agree with smaller. But Bee sized? That might be too small, I'm not sure. Again on the one-way vs. two way. Like I said, I'm not opposed to subtle one-way backs as a performer, but I don't really think they have a home at a poker table. If anyone disagrees, feel free to prove me otherwise.

That said, I love the shading on the yellow borders, any chance you could 'symmetricalize' it? Right now, the top right corner is darker than the bottom left, an inverted card would stick out like a sore thumb in the middle of the deck if you were to give the cards even the slightest bevel.

ReaganM · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:15:51 PM »

Yeah I could do that too. Ill ad it to my second draw up.

Kanped · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:18:11 PM »

I would ignore magicians completely for this project; you can't sell magicians plastic cards. Best to leave that out of the equation (and handling with it).

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:20:06 PM »

I would go for a 2-way back. If you want to make the monkeys smaller in order to double them up, I suggest you make the diamonds a TINY bit smaller. But I like the fact that the diamonds are much bigger than the monkey. It makes the back look very contrasting.

Evan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:23:11 PM »

Definitely smaller diamonds and 2 monkeys to make it a 2 way back.
$20 for 2 decks is a lot and would make me stay away from the deck.
I like the design a lot so far... what software are you using on it, it looks 3d

ReaganM · « **Reply #12 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:33:19 PM »

Unfourtunantly I cant do much about the price because that is about as cheap as I can get it. The 20$ includes free shipping to USA and youd only havve to ad maybe 5$ for international shipping. The most I could do Is a limited peir 15$ per 2 decks.

Evan · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:35:15 PM »

Well $15 is significantly better than $20

AceGambit · « **Reply #14 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:40:19 PM »

NO! $20 is a STEAL for 2 plastic decks of KEM card quality. KEM cards are amazing, last forever, and a set of them ( not custom) retail for $30, so please, if you think for a second that $20 is overpriced, you are very misinformed.

http://www.kem.com/cards/ARROW-CONS-BLK-GLD.html

dmbaggs · « **Reply #15 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:51:06 PM »

I really like the design, but it would look better with two gorillas (making it a two way back). Also making the diamonds a little smaller would be a good idea. I think the price isn't bad for the quality, but it will still keep some people away from backing the project. I think $15 would still draw enough people in. You'll have to figure out what price is best for the project.

Overall it looks very nice. I think if you make some changes and keep listening to the advice of the consumer you will have a great finished product! You already off to a great start here

xela · « **Reply #16 on:** February 14, 2012, 04:41:10 PM »

Quote from: NathanCanadas on February 14, 2012, 01:44:06 PM

It's kind of creepy, and also 20$ for 2 decks seems like a lot, especially if domestic shipping isn't included, but it looks like a nice start! Also, I think you should also have a pledge for 1 deck, only very limited, because I think many people will only be willing to buy 1 deck and no more.

That's not that much at all for plastic decks, especially if they're custom. Lance sells his Actuators for $10 a deck, why shouldn't anyone else?

hazofhorsham · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2012, 05:07:35 PM »

I think we go slightly smaller on the diamonds, and a gorilla in the top right, and bottom left. Two way back, and a nicer design (in my opinion). As for the price are we saying $20 for two decks as retail, or as kickstarter? I would advise $15ish on kickstarter and then $20 as retail. If it costs $5 a deck to make, $15 on kickstarter is still a 150% increase... I know a few people who actually made loses on their kickstarter single decks.

ReaganM · « **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2012, 05:27:06 PM »

Quote from: MagicAddictz on February 14, 2012, 03:23:11 PM

Definitely smaller diamonds and 2 monkeys to make it a 2 way back.
$20 for 2 decks is a lot and would make me stay away from the deck.
I like the design a lot so far... what software are you using on it, it looks 3d

We use photoshop and blender.

Quote from: hazofhorsham on February 14, 2012, 05:07:35 PM

I think we go slightly smaller on the diamonds, and a gorilla in the top right, and bottom left. Two way back, and a nicer design (in my opinion). As for the price are we saying $20 for two decks as retail, or as kickstarter? I would advise $15ish on kickstarter and then $20 as retail. If it costs $5 a deck to make, $15 on kickstarter is still a 150% increase... I know a few people who actually made loses on their kickstarter single decks.

Ok so its 20$ on kickstarter for TWO decks, thats 10$ a deck. Also it includes domestic shipping, thats pretty cheap.

digipunk · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2012, 05:56:24 PM »

Quote from: ReaganM on February 14, 2012, 05:27:06 PM

Ok so its 20$ on kickstarter for TWO decks, thats 10$ a deck. Also it includes domestic shipping, thats pretty cheap.

Do you hear the sound of objection from international buyers

Or you need only US buyers to back your project?

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ReaganM · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2012, 06:01:45 PM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 14, 2012, 05:56:24 PM

Quote from: ReaganM on February 14, 2012, 05:27:06 PM
Ok so its 20$ on kickstarter for TWO decks, thats 10$ a deck. Also it includes domestic shipping, thats pretty cheap.
Do you hear the sound of objection from international buyers
Or you need only US buyers to back your project?

_

International buyers can still get a deck, however they need to add 5$.

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2012, 06:04:17 PM »

But then 15$ for a deck including shipping is a lot!

Lara Krystle "Lane" · « **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:10:47 PM »

I'm so sorry, no offense meant but I'm not very fond of the design

Just my preference. I got a little scared of the Kingkong there with a tobacco. ^_^
Best of luck with this project of yours Reagan! Again i didn't mean any offense. I'm just saying how I feel about the cards to my preference ^_^

but yeah make it a onewayBack and it will be better ^^,

K · « **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:47:05 PM »

Quote from: Lara "Krystle" Lane on February 14, 2012, 10:10:47 PM

I'm so sorry, no offense meant but I'm not very fond of the design Just my preference. I got a little scared of the Kingkong there with a tobacco. ^_^
Best of luck with this project of yours Reagan! Again i didn't mean any offense. I'm just saying how I feel about the cards to my preference ^_^

but yeah make it a onewayBack and it will be better ^^,

I'll have to agree with krystle on this one, I like the back design but the gorilla isn't in favor with me.. but it looks really casino themed, perhaps add one of those hats and coats people wear in the past, might add a more casino 'feel'. Like those used in D&D's fulton's clip joint video

sinsandman · « **Reply #24 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:51:15 PM »

Unfortunately this deck is shaping to be another fail. As mentioned before 1 ways are overall cheap and novelty looking...and the fact that it is an ape with a cigar just adds to that image. Don't get me wrong, I love apes and cigars. My fascination with cards was born from my love of poker, then went into magic and collecting. In my own opinion, I would not even pull these out at a poker game. If I did pull them it would be to get a laugh before I pulled out the actual deck we would use for poker. I know this may all seem harsh but that is not my intent. I only write to warn and hopefully inspire a design change before you waste time and effort you could be applying to a deck that would be successful on Kickstarter. Take your sues from the successes and failures before you (to include your own)...novelty decks typically don't fly and marketing is king.