Quote from: Don Boyer on January 02, 2014, 08:14:40 AM

Quote from: VJose32 on January 01, 2014, 11:13:24 PM

I agree, there is absolutely zero reason for a relaunch and I'm not sure I would back it either. Cancelling a project will only hurt your reputation. I also agree that a lot of creators would love to be in your position. Also kind of makes me worry that you want to cancel a project at this stage!

I'd have to disagree on this, after hearing the game plan involved.  There was a little miscalculating in terms of getting in all the desired features, and it makes sense in this case to make a better deck and offer the second one as a stretch goal instead of making two stripped-down decks and trying to build up the features in stretch goals that may never be met.

I can't see that he miscalculated anything. This is his fourth project. The other 3 projects did over 40k each. The way I see it. He stripped the decks down thinking he would get the same funding as the others, then add all the bells and whistles.
Here is part od the original update about canceling.

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As the Legacy struggles forward we have been considering different options for this project and our next. We have gotten plenty of good reactions to the decks and had big plans to continue the Legacy series as long as there was a demand for it. However, it doesn't seem that time is now. Before we go further, no we are not abandoning the Legacy decks. We love our Legacy decks and do plan to release it.

At over 90% funded with well over 2 weeks left. He was betting on overfunding, and realized it wasn't going to happen. To put in in card terms. he tried to bluff, and got called.

Exactly right, Rob. This is a classic case of overconfidence that came back to bite them in the ass. I guess you could say they were spoiled by their previous successes, and made the fallacy of predicting the popularity of a brand new deck based on their previous (unrelated) work.

Personally, I'd rather see something like adding $1 on to the price of every deck to get to where they can add at least some of the stuff they were planning on adding. I'd definitely pay slightly more to get a better product if that's what it would take. Obviously taking a poll on it first, of course, as it might just be me who'd be okay with that.

4PM says in the KS comments:
"..you can't simply order whatever number you want, that's not how the USPCC works. You either order 2,500, or 5,000. Unless something has changed in the last year or so, that's how it's always been. 2,500, 5,000, 7,500, 10,000, 15,000."

In other words, if you want to order 3000 decks, which is above the 2500 "minimum", USPCC won't let you... you have to order 5000???

This doesn't jive with what i've heard from other creators discussing their final print runs for their projects... but then i've never been through the process myself so i guess i don't really know.

Is this true?

I don't think this sounds plausible either, but you never know with USPCC. It wouldn't surprise me, but hopefully someone who knows can supply us with a definite answer.

I'm with Don and Rob.

I also think a hybrid deck just doesn't work with this theme, it's an homage to the classic rider backs which is red and blue. Nothing else would work as well.

Somehow, I never managed to acquire a taste for Elite decks.  Pass.

Me neither. Easy pass for me.

Good for them to have found a recipe that works for them though.

There should be a USPCC minimum print run of 2,500 (or more, depending on their order size) so no matter how exclusive the group that it's offered to, there should be a decent supply on eBay soon. They won't be cheap, at least initially, but it's a cheaper alternative than joining their club, if you don't want to for whatever reason.

I believe E usually prints 5000 of their "limited" decks, so you're probably right.

Right now, there isn't an option to buy jacksquat.  Patience, young grasshoppers...  All of this is RUMOR, other than the facts that a) the deck exists, b) only Black Club members will have access and
c) it's the LAST Artifice design E is making.

Bah, I've heard that one before. Not that I don't expect them to keep such a promise, but I won't be surprised if they don't.

Gonna quote a french poster on UC (Oswin):

So I am shocked to see this game The guy has not even done any research on our flag. The white symbolizes the monarchy, then see the King Louis XVI crowned with a red back, however, a mistake.
Red usually symbolizes the bloodshed, then why did the sash white back ....

In short, this deck is not for me ... I go my way.

(Google translator sorry)

He sent an email to the creator about this, to which he replied:

Hey Oswin,

Thanks for feedback. I figured I would probably mess something up historically. It was originally supposed to be two decks. Just red and blue. The white came in as a third extra deck as a way to tie in the two decks. Unfortunately, I think it would be weird to switch the colors right now, so I'll probably keep it the way it is.

Sorry if it offends you ;_;

And my own reaction to this:

You know, I probably would have pledged for these if I hadn't found out about the points Oswin made. It would be a much better collection piece if you could actually say stuff like "...and since the red in the french flag represents the bloodshed...". And I was late for the triple EB as well.

There's also the fact that to see the differences in the courts and how they fit together you have to take out and look at all 3 decks at once. Each deck by itself isn't really that interesting, and the back designs are kinda boring.

And "it would be weird to change the colors now" isn't really a good reason. Sounds like the creator just thinks it fits better in his own head, and would rather have it that way than historically correct. Doesn't give me a good vibe.

Pass.

Not that this isn't a good idea, but: If the goal is to store the bulk of your collection, wouldn't you rather have something bigger than a brick box?

Big thread on playing card storage (I assume linking to other places is ok as long as it's relevant)

That card back is slick. I see these sales going well beyond the traditional collector. Get these sold in PXs by next Xmas maybe?

Great job, and I look forward to seeing this type of quality for the Marines....

Back? It looks more like a tuck box to me.

Oh, let them have their fun.  I welcome revivals of old topics, as long as there's something relevant to add. 

Well, I DID resist posting a much meaner picture 

Wow, that's incredibly... boring.