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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Evan on January 28, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
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"Karnival DOSE 1st batch has been totally sold out so Big Blind Media have decided to get some new decks ordered from USPCC (makers of the unique famous BICYCLE decks). So here comes the new Karnival DOSE x{Redux Edition}x ! Available soon, with a new box design and now featuring non one-way back design due to popular demand ! This will complete the circle of awesomeness!" - DOSEprod
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Wow I really like those, I dont like most BBM decks but these are really nice looking
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I've seen these photos around before. Any word on the release date yet?
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Wow I really like those, I dont like most BBM decks but these are really nice looking
ha, i was thinking the same thing actually! what are the normal prices on BBM decks?
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ha, i was thinking the same thing actually! what are the normal prices on BBM decks?
they've been around $8 per piece.
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Wow I really like those, I dont like most BBM decks but these are really nice looking
ha, i was thinking the same thing actually! what are the normal prices on BBM decks?
I think I got my original DOSE for about $9 but it was from a reseller.
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Wow I thought that had already released? I've been hearing about this one for a while now. I have the original Dose deck and I think the back on that one looks better than this non-one way back. It'll be interesting to see the price and all. I think I got my deck for about $7-8 bucks with $1 shipping.
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i think this look worst then version 1 design even though it is not one way back
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I happen to like this design. They remind me of two things:
1) NYC manhole covers
2) the two-circle pattern of classic Bike Rider Backs
C'mon, tell me you DON'T see one or the other, if not both...
If you liked the old one, BUY the old one! I like both, personally, but the Redux is going to be a little more versatile. And who wants to bet that they manage to hide a SECRET one-way mark on the card back? Damn near every Karnival deck has one - only exceptions so far are Dose v1 (not very secret one-way) and Death Heads (I have yet to spot a one-way mark and not for lack of trying).
Oh, and of course, the Hornets...
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but the old one is more expensive ...
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Don, it's really not that subtle; you see the big white splash on the bottom left corner? That'll be it.
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Haha yeah that's not very subtle at all.
I see the man hole cover @Sabacc is talking about, but I just can't seem to find the resemblance to the bikes circle back. There are two circles but they are just too plain and the rest of the deck looks so different from the bike backs. Maybe it's just me haha Although the Sentinels remind me a ton of the Bike backs!!
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I see the one way back on this deck.
If you look at the rugged black border thing, it is different all around.
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but the old one is more expensive ...
Then you should have bought it when it was new! :P Limited editions, remember?
Don, it's really not that subtle; you see the big white splash on the bottom left corner? That'll be it.
Assuming this is a FINAL image of the deck back, then yes. This photo's been around a little while; it's possible there were some design tweaks. I can also spot one-way markings along the horizontal "line" between the two circles.
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Am I the only one who doesn't like this design very much? I like it better than the one-way version but this one just seems too.... plain I guess.
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Am I the only one who doesn't like this design very much? I like it better than the one-way version but this one just seems too.... plain I guess.
Plain isn't always a bad thing, my friend. Especially when the deck's this busy on the fronts. The original was WAY plain compared to these, and they were a huge hit!
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Even though this is old news.. i posted it back in August on UC
http://www.unitedcardists.net/uc/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4665&hilit=dose
I'm happy that they changed the tuckbox to have the word Bicycle on it... of course it's because I collect Bicycle decks.
lol
CBJ
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I think it looks nicer with Bicycle on the front, and I know it COSTS less when you put Bicycle on the front, particularly for a heavily-customized deck like this. It was a smart move, I think. They're known better as "Bicycle Karnival" decks than simply "Karnival" in my mind. I can make exceptions for the Hornets, which were really more like Bees, and for the Death Heads, which were a completely different animal.
...and every time I remember the Death Heads, I wish I had my deck with me. They may not be the fanciest thing Karnival ever did, but they handle very nicely for a plastic deck. I have to organize my collection better.
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At least they're better than the first versions.
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The Bicycle brand name does look good on the box. I think I like that aspect of this version better, but on a whole I'm more of a fan of the first version. This deck didn't look bad as a one-way deck but it looks really weird to me as a non one-way back. It would surprise me if somebody used this for magic or poker or something, it just doesn't seem like that kind of deck
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The Bicycle brand name does look good on the box. I think I like that aspect of this version better, but on a whole I'm more of a fan of the first version. This deck didn't look bad as a one-way deck but it looks really weird to me as a non one-way back. It would surprise me if somebody used this for magic or poker or something, it just doesn't seem like that kind of deck
I ruined a copy of the old deck using it for magic. Food for thought: bars are a lot dirtier than they look...even when they look dirty to start with.
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This makes me think... Was the first popular and simple box design the Dose deck?
(Like black crown and LTD)
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sime? :P I don't think so. Although it was one of the earlier ones! I'm trying to think of one that came before this deck, there must be one!
... You could be right though :)
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sime? :P I don't think so. Although it was one of the earlier ones! I'm trying to think of one that came before this deck, there must be one!
... You could be right though :)
It was sime, and simple, too! ;)
Those Friars Club are dead simple, and they've been around a while. I can't think of any others, but that doesn't mean they aren't out there.
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Virginia Slims, for one. There's lots.
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Thats true. But I think it may be the first one that was released during the time I started collecting and now.
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Thats true. But I think it may be the first one that was released during the time I started collecting and now.
So the Friars deck is BMA? If I knew when AMA began, I might have given you a better answer...
(Please tell me I don't need to define those acronyms! :)) )
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Before my... hmm. Addiction?
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Thats true. But I think it may be the first one that was released during the time I started collecting and now.
So the Friars deck is BMA? If I knew when AMA began, I might have given you a better answer...
(Please tell me I don't need to define those acronyms! :)) )
Care to define those acronyms? :P
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Oy.
BMA: Before Magic Addictz
AMA: After Magic Addictz
Meaning I have no idea when you started collecting!
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Oy.
BMA: Before Magic Addictz
AMA: After Magic Addictz
Meaning I have no idea when you started collecting!
Well that makes 2 of us! :D
I started collecting about 3 years ago... I think
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Aviators are both old and still around - the brand's about 90 years old. That has a fairly simple box - though I'll grant not as simple as the Dose deck.
I've seen 99-cent store decks that don't have more than a face card on the front and back and some simple descriptions on the edges, like "PLAYING CARDS" or "PLASTIC COATED" (even when they aren't). But still, not as simple.
A ha! A KEM box! That's very simple - all black with a raised KEM logo, and little else.
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Ok you got me there. I guess Dose wasn't first.
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This deck is now out, and so is the Karnival Assassins V2
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/KarnivalDoseRedux.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/KarnivalAssassinsV2.jpg)
You can get them here
http://www.bmpokerworld.com/bicycle-1.php
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Ah there they come. So that makes it 3 out of 9 BBM decks. 6 more to go.
Edit: Was the foiled tuckbox of Dead Eyes released already? That would make it 4 out of 9, and 5 more to go.
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Is there any real point to the foil boxes? Besides the Dose's they all see to be the same deck...is it just for the people who missed the original releases?
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Is there any real point to the foil boxes? Besides the Dose's they all see to be the same deck...is it just for the people who missed the original releases?
Really it's just their trick of ripped us off and gaining profits, while ruining their reputation (if they had any to begin with). The Dose deck has been altered. The original one was a one-way back, and this foiled tuckcase edition (Redux Edition as they call it) is two-way back (or possibly a subtle one-way back).
As for the Karnival Assassin, I can't recall if there was any changes to the design. I believe it's simply the tuckcase that's changed from the original release.
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Yes, they sold out of the original products and are now re-releasing them with fancy boxes for the same price and we are under no pressure whatsoever to by them!
Certainly is 'their trick of ripped us off and gaining profits', as the say in non-English speaking areas. 1) How is paying the same price for a better version of a previously unavailable product a rip off? 2) What's wrong with a company making money?
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Yes, they sold out of the original products and are now re-releasing them with fancy boxes for the same price and we are under no pressure whatsoever to by them!
Certainly is 'their trick of ripped us off and gaining profits', as the say in non-English speaking areas. 1) How is paying the same price for a better version of a previously unavailable product a rip off? 2) What's wrong with a company making money?
I wouldn't say it's necessarily a better version. There's nothing much on the design that has been changed, and the first edition is actually still available over the web if you really tried hard searching for them.
There's nothing wrong with a company making money, but like X11, re-releasing another product, calling it a separate version pisses their customers off. They'd be better off re-printing the same product and just say it's a 2nd run.
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OK, it was a cheap shot mostly for my own amusement, sorry about that. Everyone makes typos, hopefully we can all have a snide chuckle when it happens.
I think it's a valid point, though, that while you can still buy this stuff online, you can't buy it from them so they're no longer profiting from the products. I don't see the problem with snazzing it up a bit rather than just doing another run (particularly since it costs the same to buy); everyone knows exactly what they're getting and the quality of the product is good. I think describing it as a rip-off is indefensible.
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OK, it was a cheap shot mostly for my own amusement, sorry about that. Everyone makes typos, hopefully we can all have a snide chuckle when it happens.
I think it's a valid point, though, that while you can still buy this stuff online, you can't buy it from them so they're no longer profiting from the products. I don't see the problem with snazzing it up a bit rather than just doing another run (particularly since it costs the same to buy); everyone knows exactly what they're getting and the quality of the product is good. I think describing it as a rip-off is indefensible.
No worries.
True on their point of view, but it wouldn't make much of a difference to us as purchasers. Maybe it's because I'm a collector, I wouldn't get another one of the same decks if it was just a second run unless there're significant changes (i.e. the runs of black tiger). But with the foiled tuckcase, we'd have to pull out the wallets and pay for another deck without much alternations. Rip-off could be a little exaggerating, but I really don't think it's worth the money.
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OK, it was a cheap shot mostly for my own amusement, sorry about that. Everyone makes typos, hopefully we can all have a snide chuckle when it happens.
I think it's a valid point, though, that while you can still buy this stuff online, you can't buy it from them so they're no longer profiting from the products. I don't see the problem with snazzing it up a bit rather than just doing another run (particularly since it costs the same to buy); everyone knows exactly what they're getting and the quality of the product is good. I think describing it as a rip-off is indefensible.
No worries.
True on their point of view, but it wouldn't make much of a difference to us as purchasers. Maybe it's because I'm a collector, I wouldn't get another one of the same decks if it was just a second run unless there're significant changes (i.e. the runs of black tiger). But with the foiled tuckcase, we'd have to pull out the wallets and pay for another deck without much alternations. Rip-off could be a little exaggerating, but I really don't think it's worth the money.
Look at it this way, guys - weren't most if not nearly all of the Karnival decks made when USPC was still in shakedown mode at the Erlanger factory? Perhaps the designs are the same but the quality is somewhat better as a result of being made more recently, now that Erlanger decks are as good as if not better than most Cincinnati decks before the move?
If nothing else, it gives new collectors a chance to get the decks in a shiny box, and old collectors who own the v1 decks a chance to either ignore them or give in to the "gotta-get-em-all" mentality. Nothing wrong with that.
If you don't like the shiny box, don't like the idea of a v2 in tuck box only, DON'T BUY THEM. It's simple. BBM is not holding a gun to your head, are they? (Are they?!?!?) :))
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there is 2 seller on ebay currently selling the karnival dose redux deck one is bmpokerworld and the other one is pokerstud52 here is their link
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/BICYCLE-KARNIVAL-DOSE-REDUX-LIMITED-EDITION-PLAYING-CARDS-FOIL-TUCK-CASE-/260949688082?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc1d03f12
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/2-DECKS-Bicycle-Karnival-Dose-Redux-playing-cards-NEW-BACK-foil-tuck-case-/250988855975?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a701a02a7
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/1-DECK-Bicycle-Karnival-Dose-Redux-playing-cards-NEW-BACK-foil-tuck-case-/300660030640?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4600bbfcb0
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The foil tuck case looks pretty awesome! I don't think I will be picking these up unless my local magic shop gets them. (they had the firsts Dose decks)
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The foil tuck case looks pretty awesome! I don't think I will be picking these up unless my local magic shop gets them. (they had the firsts Dose decks)
I would do the same, but any money saved on shipping and handling usually ends up spent and then some on parking and/or bridge tolls. :( It's one of the reasons I'd love to open a shop of my own some day. Not working overnights shifts would certainly be a plus!
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BigBlindMedia writes:
"Folks - we have a small amount of new stock for the Karnival Dead Eyes, Dose Redux (with new back design) and Assassins. They are all housed in fancy new rainbow foil boxes. This clearly makes them sexy. Get in quick if you want some from this early batch. Woo!"
It seems like they have the new Dead Eyes boxes on their site as well...
http://www.bigblindmedia.com/karnival-inc.html
CBJ