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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2014, 07:53:19 PM »
 

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You guys should contact Dave if you have never received your decks. I got mine I think 1 or 2 weeks after ordering. Dave aka Pokerstud52 on ebay was handling the shipping for those decks
 

Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2014, 08:27:08 PM »
 

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That's great!  Thanks for the tip....yeah, never received the decks.
 

Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2015, 09:54:34 PM »
 

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I recently came into this deck - four colors: blue, red, black and brown.  So far, I've been playing around with a pack of the blue.

Am I just "lucky," or did they all have two Queens of Hearts and no Queen of Diamonds?
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2015, 05:18:29 AM »
 

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I recently came into this deck - four colors: blue, red, black and brown.  So far, I've been playing around with a pack of the blue.

Am I just "lucky," or did they all have two Queens of Hearts and no Queen of Diamonds?

oh interesting, do you think they do that on purpose as a gaff card?
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2015, 08:37:35 PM »
 

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I recently came into this deck - four colors: blue, red, black and brown.  So far, I've been playing around with a pack of the blue.

Am I just "lucky," or did they all have two Queens of Hearts and no Queen of Diamonds?

oh interesting, do you think they do that on purpose as a gaff card?

I don't know - it sounds more like either a printing accident or a sorting accident.  I wanted to know if anyone else had the same thing in their decks.  Do you?
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Bee Quality Playing Cards (Black)
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2015, 09:54:47 AM »
 

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Re: Bee Quality Playing Cards (Black)
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2015, 10:15:05 AM »
 

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I typed in the UPC code in Amazon, and it pulled up the same type deck but in red.  So that part checks out.

http://www.amazon.com/MMS-Quality-Bee-USPCC-Trick/dp/B00HSLLO36/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430143957&sr=8-1&keywords=073854020906
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Re: Bee Quality Playing Cards (Black)
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2015, 10:33:46 AM »
 

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Do any of you know if this is genuine?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-Deck-Black-Quality-Bee-cardistry-Deck-Playing-Cards-test-version-Rare-/181308724944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a36d796d0

If I remember correctly, there was a small batch of black Quality Bee decks created, but never sold. These seem to look legit, but my best advice is to write the seller, and ask more questions. Also request more photos.

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Re: Bee Quality Playing Cards (Black)
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2015, 01:32:24 PM »
 

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Do any of you know if this is genuine?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-Deck-Black-Quality-Bee-cardistry-Deck-Playing-Cards-test-version-Rare-/181308724944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a36d796d0

If I remember correctly, there was a small batch of black Quality Bee decks created, but never sold. These seem to look legit, but my best advice is to write the seller, and ask more questions. Also request more photos.

Hope that helps.

I was lucky enough to receive a few of the black Quality Bee decks as a gift.  The deck in the photo looks just like the ones I received, with the major exception being that mine are cellophane-sealed while that one appears to be unwrapped.

I have no idea how rare they all are, but in addition to the blue, red and black, I also received a BROWN Quality deck - note that I left out the word "Bee."  While the face and back designs are identical to the Quality Bee decks, the brown deck has a different Ace of Spades, different jokers and only 54 cards (no ad cards) instead of 56 - it wasn't manufactured by USPC.  I don't know who made it, but it's a decent-quality deck, not some shoddy dollar-store cardboard deck.
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Re: Bee Quality Playing Cards (Black)
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2015, 07:53:17 AM »
 

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I was lucky enough to receive a few of the black Quality Bee decks as a gift.

I wish I get some gifts too haha.
I am asking the seller about this card, but for that price I am not too sure if it is worth buying.
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Re: Bee Quality Playing Cards (Black)
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2015, 10:20:35 AM »
 

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It's a nice deck, but not $150 nice - cheapest price I can find them for, from a seller in Hong Kong.

Give it time and there's a strong chance the price will drop.  The only problem is that supply may dry up as well.  Either that or take a nice, deep breath, exhale, say "I can live without this deck" and move on to the next one.  New decks are indeed like trains in Europe - there's ALWAYS another one coming, usually sooner than later.
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Re: Bee Quality Playing Cards (Black)
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2015, 06:15:55 PM »
 

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It's a nice deck, but not $150 nice - cheapest price I can find them for, from a seller in Hong Kong.

Give it time and there's a strong chance the price will drop.  The only problem is that supply may dry up as well.  Either that or take a nice, deep breath, exhale, say "I can live without this deck" and move on to the next one.  New decks are indeed like trains in Europe - there's ALWAYS another one coming, usually sooner than later.

I can live without this haha and bee deck hasn't been my favourite so far. It's just that I am amazed a bee deck will cost that much, and I haven't seen the black colour previously so I thought it might be a fake.
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Bee Quality Deck
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2015, 09:35:14 AM »
 

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Forgive me: i scrolled the forum several times and i couldn't find a place to ask, so i post here.
I've recently bought a deck of blue bee quality deck.
I want to know more about this deck, why is it good for cardistry, what kind of finish does it have, is it really a limited edition, etc...
Moreover, since i bought on ebay, i would like to know how to establish if a deck is not a fake or a reprint.
yes, i read a "1st edition" on the bottom, but i need your knowledge.
Also, i wonder what's the serial number for...
Those are newbie questions, but i got to start somewhere!
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Re: Bee Quality Deck
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2015, 01:32:51 PM »
 

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Forgive me: i scrolled the forum several times and i couldn't find a place to ask, so i post here.
I've recently bought a deck of blue bee quality deck.
I want to know more about this deck, why is it good for cardistry, what kind of finish does it have, is it really a limited edition, etc...
Moreover, since i bought on ebay, i would like to know how to establish if a deck is not a fake or a reprint.
yes, i read a "1st edition" on the bottom, but i need your knowledge.
Also, i wonder what's the serial number for...
Those are newbie questions, but i got to start somewhere!
Thanks for helping

Hi, I've merged your topic and two others about the same deck.  It's not a vintage deck, so it wouldn't go in A Cellar of Fine Vintages - anything under 20 years old goes here, in the Playing Card Plethora.

As you can see by looking at the older posts, we have a fair amount of info on this deck already.

All late-model custom decks from USPC have "Magic Finish" by default - the designer/producer would have to request Standard Finish if they wanted it.  Standard is what's used on their mass-produced decks, while Magic Finish (alternately known as Performance Coating, as well as being sold under a few other names) is somewhat slicker.  You can actually tell the difference by smell, if your nose is sensitive enough!  Magic Finish has a sharper, more chemical smell to it out of the box, and the smell lingers for several weeks after, months if you rarely use the deck.

Cardistry...  Well, the qualities of a good cardistry deck are as individual as the people who perform cardistry moves!  Some like the slicker finishes for fans and other flourishes that involve sliding cards against each other.  Some prefer a finish that's not as slick, so they can perform more precise cuts without packets trying to slide apart.

Mind you, I'm using the term "finish" incorrectly.  Technically, a finish is a card's texture, and there's really only two - smooth and embossed.  There's a lot of marketing, names like "Air Cushion," "Cambric," "Linoid," "Linen," etc., but in the end, those are all embossed, period.  Ivory?  Just another way of saying "smooth."  What I've been talking about, more accurately, is the coating that goes on the paper.

Coatings were once all plastic.  However, I learned not too long ago that for the past five or six years, they're no longer using plastics - in fact, any card printed in the US today doesn't have any petroleum products in it.  The Federal Government mandated that printers of playing cards switch to papers with more post-consumer recycled content, inks based on vegetable dyes and coatings created from starch instead of plastic.  Foreign printers are still free to use these chemicals, but it's probably only a matter of time before they switch as well - the new cards are more easily biodegraded and, because they lack petroleum, don't require petroleum imports in order to make them, making the country of origin that much less dependent on oil-producing nations.

The blue Quality deck was interesting - it was actually misprinted.  If you look in the pack, you'll see that there's two Queens of Hearts, but no Queen of Diamonds.  I used one of the jokers to substitute for it in my opened pack.  I think that a card dealer I known mentioned that there was a second printing that corrected the mistake, but I haven't seen it myself.  Mine, like yours, mentioned "1st Edition - Casino Paper - Q1 Quality" among the copyright info on the bottom of the tuck box.

There's a total of four decks in the series to date.  There's the red and blue decks - I think blue was first, but the earlier posts in this topic should have that information.  There's a black deck, believed to be an unreleased prototype but found "in the wild" every now and then, and there's a brown deck not Bee-branded or made by USPC - it has the "Quality" card back in brown, but uses a more generic Ace of Spades and Joker and bears no USPC markings anywhere.  It has an oversized deck seal on it that mentions a web site, qualitybeedeck.com, which is no longer in operation.  This is the only mention of the term "bee" anywhere on the deck.
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2015, 03:55:35 PM »
 

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thanks!
i've bought my decks from pokerstud52, i've seen you guys know him.
the fact that makes me think it exists a reprint it's just that i dont have a double queen of hearts as you mentioned.
i knew that only 4000 blue decks were printed (thank god! those are not good as i expected) but by looking at pictures it seems that the box is slightly different, that makes me think of a second print of those.
just wondering, i've also noticed that beequalitydeck.com (or something similar) doesn't exist anymore, so i cant gather my information by the maker directly. (why the company disappeared? do people got their deck eventually?)

I've read mr. Asher likes that deck, don't know if it's true, anyway i'd like to hear the stories of our friends that have them: what do you like/dislike about this deck?
i'll make a review i guess, when i get all the information
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2015, 12:24:21 PM »
 

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The website in question was probably created for the sale of the cards, and was folded shortly after there were no more left.

They're nice cards.  The design is simple.  I really like the shade of red that was used for them, but it's a very dark shade, nearly black it's so dark.  I'm thinking it wouldn't be to everyone's tastes.  Good stock.  The brown one is very different - reminds me more of a deck from Legends or Expert than from USPC.
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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2015, 12:41:36 PM »
 

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I've seen on a few websites which sell the Brown Quality deck, that in the item description there is a claim that the deck was printed by EPCC to Jerry's Nuggest specification and it matches something like 85% of the feel of a Jerry's deck.

Whilst the brown deck is genuinely nice, I don't see anything on the box or cards which says EPCC. The tuck box does appear to use a template that is identical to the one used by the factory in Taiwan that LPCC and EPCC use.

It's kind of tough to know for certain what the exact truth about that deck really is.
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2015, 01:29:16 PM »
 

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I've seen on a few websites which sell the Brown Quality deck, that in the item description there is a claim that the deck was printed by EPCC to Jerry's Nuggest specification and it matches something like 85% of the feel of a Jerry's deck.

Whilst the brown deck is genuinely nice, I don't see anything on the box or cards which says EPCC. The tuck box does appear to use a template that is identical to the one used by the factory in Taiwan that LPCC and EPCC use.

It's kind of tough to know for certain what the exact truth about that deck really is.

Now that I think of it, I did handle a Jerry's Nugget deck for the first time at Bill Kalush's office nearly two weeks ago.  The feel was consistent with that brown deck - but it's also close to a lot of what EPCC and LPCC create.  That's probably by design.  Bill's no slouch when it comes to making decks, and the decks from both companies are produced using his assistance and specifications.  It would shock me not in the least to learn this was his intent from the very beginning.
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2015, 01:45:20 AM »
 

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Reading this made me want to open my brown deck  :P

Don, do you know any other deck that comes close to these 2 decks?
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« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2015, 07:17:48 PM »
 

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Reading this made me want to open my brown deck  :P

Don, do you know any other deck that comes close to these 2 decks?

The Classic Twins are very close to this.  EPCC's Master Finish is the same as LPCC's Diamond Finish, if I recall, and both are close to the texture/handling of J-Nuggs - and that's not by accident, either.  The Bee 216s are also close, though if I recall, Bill Kalush himself said those are only about 85% of the way to what he was trying to achieve with them.  Classic Twins have a really good stock/coating/finish combination, a bit softer than the recent White Signature NOCs release.
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2015, 11:23:00 PM »
 

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The Classic Twins are very close to this.  EPCC's Master Finish is the same as LPCC's Diamond Finish, if I recall, and both are close to the texture/handling of J-Nuggs - and that's not by accident, either.  The Bee 216s are also close, though if I recall, Bill Kalush himself said those are only about 85% of the way to what he was trying to achieve with them.  Classic Twins have a really good stock/coating/finish combination, a bit softer than the recent White Signature NOCs release.

I am assuming the classic twins  also includes classic Gold...  I don't have the classic twins but the Gold is pretty good. I never like the back though that's why I didn't get the twins.
Do you think Bill Kalush will creat something even closer to the JN?

I am still waiting for my white NOC.. Then I will try them as well.
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2015, 12:12:38 AM »
 

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The Classic Twins are very close to this.  EPCC's Master Finish is the same as LPCC's Diamond Finish, if I recall, and both are close to the texture/handling of J-Nuggs - and that's not by accident, either.  The Bee 216s are also close, though if I recall, Bill Kalush himself said those are only about 85% of the way to what he was trying to achieve with them.  Classic Twins have a really good stock/coating/finish combination, a bit softer than the recent White Signature NOCs release.

I am assuming the classic twins  also includes classic Gold...  I don't have the classic twins but the Gold is pretty good. I never like the back though that's why I didn't get the twins.
Do you think Bill Kalush will creat something even closer to the JN?

I am still waiting for my white NOC.. Then I will try them as well.

Actually, he'll probably strive for making something BETTER.

By Classic Twins, I meant just that - Classic Twins.  The common ones - the two-deck box with a red and blue deck in it.  I haven't handled the others, so no, the rare and sold-out Classic Gold and Classic Black are NOT part of "Classic Twins," though they are "Classic" decks.

I had been using them so much and in so many places, I actually took a paper towel out and using just a little elbow grease wiped off the edges of the tops and bottoms of the cards.  They cleaned up nicely - not perfect, but they looked better and performed a wee bit more smoothly.  I don't have the photo handy but hopefully will soon and will attach it here.
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Re: The Quality Bee playing cards
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2015, 09:23:13 AM »
 

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Actually, he'll probably strive for making something BETTER.

By Classic Twins, I meant just that - Classic Twins.  The common ones - the two-deck box with a red and blue deck in it.  I haven't handled the others, so no, the rare and sold-out Classic Gold and Classic Black are NOT part of "Classic Twins," though they are "Classic" decks.

I had been using them so much and in so many places, I actually took a paper towel out and using just a little elbow grease wiped off the edges of the tops and bottoms of the cards.  They cleaned up nicely - not perfect, but they looked better and performed a wee bit more smoothly.  I don't have the photo handy but hopefully will soon and will attach it here.


They are in "Classic" family, so I just assume they are the same. In fact from what I read on CARC, it seems that the gold handle differently from the twins (slightly though). Whereas the black is exactly the same as the twins with the exceptions of the tuck box.

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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2015, 08:01:53 PM »
 

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They are in "Classic" family, so I just assume they are the same. In fact from what I read on CARC, it seems that the gold handle differently from the twins (slightly though). Whereas the black is exactly the same as the twins with the exceptions of the tuck box.

Odds are, they are the same.  But as I don't have any, I couldn't say.  I was referring only to the Twins because the Twins are what I know.  I saw the Classic line as inexpensive decks that make a good alternative to Bicycles and Tally Hos, so I didn't make any exceptional effort to get the expensive variants.
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« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2015, 09:33:49 AM »
 

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Hank, 

The Classic Gold does ind‎eed handle differently to the other 3 decks in the EPCC Classic line. 

The minimal ink coverage makes a much bigger difference to the Classic Gold than I had imagined -- it's by far my favourite from the four, and they're the only classic finish deck that I practice with (at present).

The red, blue, and black decks aren't bad at all... but the gold deck is just too good -- its handling is a lot closer to that of the Sharps. 

I've not got the red of blue Quality deck... I may get one at some point, and if its handling is anything near that of the classic twins, then I'll definitely be impressed! 

The thing with Bee stock is that although it is thicker than Bicycle stock (which I think has sturdiness which isn't too far off newspaper), it feels somewhat "spongey", and so I'm never too confortable using Bee stock cards because I know that they can't take much of a battering. Classic finish is MUCH sturdier and longer lasting.
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