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Don Boyer · « **Reply #100 on:** March 05, 2012, 02:34:42 AM »

Quote from: ReaganM on March 04, 2012, 12:45:57 PM

Well for giggles, here is the jack. Hes not bad just needs more of an attitude I think. Maybe give him sort of a gut and a attitude. I wouldnt mind giving you guys some recognition btw. Uhhh and for the diamond pattern, I might give it a try.

I suggest you "Arnold" him up a bit - thick, muscular arms. No gut - it was the bosses that had time and money to grow fat, not the foot soldiers running around carrying out his bidding. Change his expression to a scowl or an evil grin, perhaps even baring his teeth - enforcers were scary individuals. A fedora, a bowler or a newsboy cap wouldn't be out of place, but you might want to mix it up a little and have some with no hats at all.

Here's a thought - what if you swapped the gorillas and the orangutans; gorillas as enforcer-Jacks and orangutans as boss-Kings? Your earlier sketch of the king would make a decent enforcer, while your orang might actually be a decent boss. Swap the cigar and the Tommy gun and you've got something that I think works well. Gorillas tend to be scarier, while orangs remind me of Brando in "The Godfather", with the big jowls.

ReaganM · « **Reply #101 on:** March 06, 2012, 12:53:10 AM »

I know this is a step in a random direction, but here is a random deck design for the back. Should I try an fit the ape head in there somwhere? Get rid of this design entirely, or just keep the design without the ape logo. Remember these will be using shiny metallic inks!

ReaganM · « **Reply #102 on:** March 06, 2012, 01:12:21 AM »

Nother back idea, but its not double sided

Don Boyer · « **Reply #103 on:** March 06, 2012, 06:03:24 AM »

First, I like the first design better than both of these. Not saying they're bad, but they don't fit with the theme.

The second design with the curlicues looks a bit busy, and with metallic ink, well - I dunno.

The second is a little more angular/industrial - and you could easily make it a two-way back by instead printing "ultra ape" on the upper and lower parts of the center bar facing in opposite directions instead of just once in the center.

Stick with the ape backs on the big diamond pattern. Make the diamond pattern look like leather-padded walls/furniture, complete with stitchwork. If you plan to make the padding three-dimensional in appearance, you'll need to use a "light source" from one position/angle on one half of the back, and from the completely opposite position on the other half - unless you'd rather have a subtle one-way back! Considering you're aiming at a poker market, I would advise against any kind of one-way back.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #104 on:** March 06, 2012, 07:51:52 AM »

i like all of the design but i think the seond design look nicest but like don say it does not fit with the theme

Evan · « **Reply #105 on:** March 06, 2012, 03:09:42 PM »

That first design is awesome! I don't think you should try to put the ape in there.. it looks great as it is! Also, that back design could be used for many things and I love the colors. Awesome work!

Billywiz · « **Reply #106 on:** March 06, 2012, 06:41:17 PM »

I agree with Don, stick with your original diamond back design just with a few tweeks.

ReaganM · « **Reply #107 on:** March 06, 2012, 09:40:32 PM »

Sorry to put you guys through this but here are some more concepts, You can see the leather ones on the side, these are not card concepts but they are what will be used in place of the diamonds on the monkey cards.

Evan · « **Reply #108 on:** March 06, 2012, 09:42:59 PM »

I hate to say it but I'm not a fan of any of those...

xZEROx · « **Reply #109 on:** March 06, 2012, 10:39:48 PM »

If I had to make a choice I'd take the 4th or 3rd one.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #110 on:** March 07, 2012, 01:55:37 AM »

The first and last backs look identical to the ones they are next to. Are they?

You know what I like - the leather diamond pattern, with the ape heads on them. It's reminiscent of Bee Diamond Backs, but also of the kind of leather furniture you might have found in an office or a nightclub in the 1920's and '30s. The ape heads would be the equivalent of your "casino logo".

Jin Jian · « **Reply #111 on:** March 07, 2012, 05:48:12 AM »

1st last or the 4th one

phantom1412 · « **Reply #112 on:** March 08, 2012, 07:14:10 AM »

I like the 4th design best.

BTW, the 3rd, 5th, and 7th are one way back which I don't think many people will like that.

Collector · « **Reply #113 on:** March 08, 2012, 03:41:35 PM »

4th for collectors, 8th (9th?) for cardists. Magicians will blame you for black borders

Aaron · « **Reply #114 on:** March 08, 2012, 08:05:21 PM »

Honestly not a very big fan of any of those backs, I think you should work on the origional one.

xZEROx · « **Reply #115 on:** March 09, 2012, 01:26:47 AM »

Quote from: Collector on March 08, 2012, 03:41:35 PM

4th for collectors, 8th (9th?) for cardists. Magicians will blame you for black borders

Sorry I'm no magician but what's wrong with black borders? I thought it was borderless decks that's irritating the magicians.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #116 on:** March 09, 2012, 02:58:08 AM »

if the deck is a black deck then having a black border is fine but if it is a white deck .. then the black border will kill it since you cant do reverse card trick .. if you put a card reverse which is required in some card trick if you can easily spot it .. this is the same thing that happen to artifice that why there is a v2

moonexe · « **Reply #117 on:** March 09, 2012, 03:06:13 AM »

It's been stated countless times that this deck is aimed at poker players and not magicians. The fact that it's a plastic deck should make that pretty obvious to begin with.
As for reverse card tricks, if you're refering to triumph or something similar, it may be harder, but not entirely impossible if you're actually willing to put the effort into it. I know a lot of people prefered Artifice V1 and hated the whiny magicians that caused it to disappear, me included.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #118 on:** March 09, 2012, 05:27:22 AM »

i know it is for poker .. but it still can also be use for magic cant it ?? and since he ask why magicians will blame black borders so i answer it

ReaganM · « **Reply #119 on:** March 09, 2012, 11:33:37 PM »

Well my artist wont be back to his place to put up the new artwork, but for you guys who want to know what theyll sorta come out to be like, heres where we are right now. The back of the card will look like the monkey one, except it will have the ultra ape heads and the gold border, and the cards will havve the poker peek halfs! I was bored so I decided to just post this anyways.
pretty much this is me sending him a sketch ( a really bad one ) back to him telling him what to do.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #120 on:** March 10, 2012, 04:32:20 AM »

Quote from: Moon.exe on March 09, 2012, 03:06:13 AM

It's been stated countless times that this deck is aimed at poker players and not magicians. The fact that it's a plastic deck should make that pretty obvious to begin with.
As for reverse card tricks, if you're refering to triumph or something similar, it may be harder, but not entirely impossible if you're actually willing to put the effort into it. I know a lot of people prefered Artifice V1 and hated the whiny magicians that caused it to disappear, me included.

Actually, in this case, it's not about magicians. Having a contrasting border on the back, be it white, yellow, whatever, is important in a true gambling deck. Magicians love using Bees for gambling demos because of how the Diamond Back pattern allows for easy disguising of many popular gambling sleights. An all-black or all-dark design with a dark border would have the same characteristics. It's the reason why the majority of casinos stopped using Diamond Backs and similar designs at the poker tables and have switched to designs more like the Stinger Back or a bordered design. It matters less for "Tech Art" cards used in blackjack and similar games, since everything gets dealt from a multideck shoe and the game is pretty straightforward.

ReaganM · « **Reply #121 on:** March 11, 2012, 02:24:51 PM »

Dont mind the non - diagonal pips theyll be on there... eventually. But what do you guys thin of the king? Also, the back really bugs me this time, would it help to make the diamonds smaller? Im thinking im gonna have to change the logo entirely.

ReaganM · « **Reply #122 on:** March 11, 2012, 02:54:55 PM »

What if I just took all the stuff off of the back?

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #123 on:** March 11, 2012, 03:00:17 PM »

I like that last post, without the ape on the back. Maybe you should keep the yellow additional borders, but I definitely like the court cards and back design better!

Billywiz · « **Reply #124 on:** March 11, 2012, 06:26:11 PM »

The first post, maybe make the diamonds smaller and the ape face's larger or stick with just the diamond design in the second post only smaller diamonds.

Billy.