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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: How to Date a Thomas de la Rue Deck
« on: July 19, 2014, 12:56:51 AM »
Glad it was helpful.
You might find these interesting as well:

Peter Endebrock's Playing Card Pages (excellent tax stamp dating)
http://www.endebrock.de/pers-home.html

World Web Playing Card Museum
http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/

White Knuckle Playing cards - White Knuckles Playing cards co. of Australia
http://whiteknucklecards.com/history/index.html

And this book:

Playing Cards (The Fournier Museum catalogue)
subtitle: General History From Their Creation to the Present Day
by Felix Alfaro Fournier

This is a multi-volume catalogue of international playing cards from the large collection of the Fournier Playing Cards Museum in Alava, Spain. This collection includes the De La Rue collection so there are many British cards. Volumes one and two are available in English, as a box set or separately. The first volume has 4,000 colour pictures with brief write-ups on 2,000 decks. There are some errors in the information given so it is best to confirm with other sources. The first volume was published in 1982, with 344 pages. The second volume is much slimmer and was published in 1988 to catalogue the cards added to the collection since the first volume was written. Same goes for all subsequent volumes, but they are only available in Spanish, if you can find them at all.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: How to Date a Thomas de la Rue Deck
« on: July 18, 2014, 08:08:43 PM »
Hi Stircrazy

You can find an indices guide here:

http://kenlodge.blogspot.ca/2012/07/aids-to-dating-and-beware-of-ebay.html

I'm afraid it won't really narrow down the date any further, but it confirms the previous findings.
Also info there about company addresses and aces that can help with these old British decks.

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Thanks Josh.
I think I have some mylar here somewhere to try it with.

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That would be a great way to protect the decks I store in drawers while still being able to see what they are. Wouldn't take up much room either.

Josh, would you be interested in posting a how-to in the DIY section of UC?

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One of our recent UC members makes yoyos. Maybe he will be inspired to design a UC yoyo...


Whoop, we're back up again. Apparently it was a temporary security problem.

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We're baaaack! :D

UC = phoenix.

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Wish we knew when the current registered domain name went up since it's likely it was done in the same month as it will expire. I tried a whois on unitedcardists.com but it didn't give any background info like dates.

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Is it possible to make transparent cards from the cellulose acetate?

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The sinuous lines of the one on the left feels like a better fit to me, but it does need more detail. Perhaps something in the middle to give it the strong centre which the other back has.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Card Stock
« on: April 22, 2012, 12:31:03 AM »
They should get away from using wood pulp entirely for paper. Grasses grow much faster, and have longer fibers to make a stronger paper.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Need Help With a Vintage Deck
« on: April 10, 2012, 09:25:12 PM »
Yes, they all have identical back and they are bridge sized. I don't think they were gilded but the edges are very dirty. These cards were used a lot. I don't see any damaged or bent ones but they're dirty.

Actually, the ace proves these to be Congress #606, which only came with gold edges when they were first issued. So, unless they started making the #606 with plain edges, some of the grime might be the dull remains of the gilding.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: card collecting info - please help
« on: April 07, 2012, 11:20:07 AM »
The History of USPCC article is now on the Playing Cards Wiki here: http://playingcards.wikidot.com/articles:uspcc-history - Thanks to MagikFingerz at UC.

I have made some changes to the USPCC History:

The first deck off the press was actually "Tigers #101", not Congress, though Congress, and three other decks, were released with the tigers as the starting line of decks. See the history to see all those decks.
I have added a list of the company names used on the Ace of Spades, as supplied by the "Hochman Encyclopedia of American Playing Cards".


Also, here is an interesting bit of history from the origins of Bulldog Squeezers:

In the 1870s the New York Consolidated Card Co. placed corner indices on their playing cards. Indexed cards were first known as "Squeezers". The indexed cards were challenged by Andrew Dougherty and Co. who produced packs with miniature card faces in two corners and called them "Triplicates". After a period of intense competition between the two companies "a tacit understanding about sales territory was commemorated in a card back of 1877, showing two bulldogs straining at their leashes in front of their respective houses. On the collar of one is 'Squeezer'; on the other 'Trip'." (quote from Catherine Perry Hargrave)

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: card collecting info - please help
« on: April 03, 2012, 01:47:55 AM »
I don't intend to document the USPCC playing cards since I am not primarily a USPCC collector. This was just a history for people interested in USPCC, and/or collecting vintage cards made by them. Knowing when they acquired certain card companies, and made certain innovations, can help date decks and put them in a context. I would love to see any additions or corrections people may have.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: card collecting info - please help
« on: April 02, 2012, 01:37:32 AM »
My bad. Yes MagikFingerz of UC has the wiki. Don't know his board name here either, or else I could screw that one up too. :mindf-ck:


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: card collecting info - please help
« on: April 01, 2012, 10:04:00 PM »
It could be that if it became a sticky. The point is it has to be easily available. MagikFingerz on UC has offered his playing card wiki as a site for posting the info.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / card collecting info - please help
« on: April 01, 2012, 08:05:17 PM »
There's a lot of information on the forums that is lost in the sea of threads and posts. I am going to start collecting that info so it can be posted and indexed in one place online for easy access. If you come across a post, or already know of one or more, that would be useful to others, please pass it on to me. A simple pointer to the posting, whether on the Discourse, Decknique, UC, or any other public online source, would be a great help.

Here is the USPCC history I have compiled from various sources on the net. No one place had it all. I welcome any corrections or additions, keeping in mind that I am not looking to document all the USPCC decks of cards, just providing a context for the decks.

USPCC history

Ace of Spades (company name time line)
1881 - 1885 "Russell, Morgan & Co." or "Russell & Morgan Co."
1886 - 1891 "Russell & Morgan Printing Co."
1891 - 1894 "The United States Printing Co."
1894 - 1925 "The United States Playing Card Co." or "U.S. Playing Card Co., Russell & Morgan Factories"
1926 to date "The United States Playing Card Co."

*1867 - Russell, Morgan & Co. is formed by the partnership of A. O. Russell, Robert J. Morgan, James M. Armstrong and John F. Robinson Jr. Located on the first and second stories of a building at 20 College Street in Cincinnati, Ohio, they printed theatrical and circus posters, placards and labels.

*1872 - Business had increased so much the company was forced to seek larger quarters, and in November 1872, it moved into a new four-story building on nearby Race Street in downtown Cincinnati.

*Early 1880 - Mr. Russell proposed to his partners that they embark upon the manufacture of playing cards, an industry monopolized by several East Coast companies. The partners agreed and arrangements were made to add two additional stories to their building, making it six stories high. Many new machines were designed and built expressly for Russell, Morgan & Co.

*1881 - On June 28 the first pack of the first brand of playing cards was produced, Tigers #101. This was the least expensive of the five brands which made up the opening line of the playing card branch of the company. The other brands of the opening line, from lowest to highest in quality and price, were Sportsman's #202, Army #303, Navy #303, and Congress #404. 20 employees manufactured 1600 packs per day.

*1885 - Russell, Morgan & Co. began printing Bicycle cards, which would become their most popular line. The first back is "Old Fan", very similar to the later "Expert" back, and there would eventually be a total of 82 different bicycle backs.

*1891 - Russell, Morgan and Company became The United States Printing Company.

*1894 - The playing card business had grown to such proportions that it was separated from the Printing Company, becoming The United States Playing Card Company.
 - USPCC acquires the Standard Playing Card Co. which continues to operate independently until 1930.
 - USPCC acquires Perfection Playing Card Co. and continues to use the name until 1915.
 - USPCC acquires The New York Consolidated Card Co., which functions under that name until 1930. The New York Consolidated Card Company was formed in 1871 by the merging of three earlier firms, Lawrence & Cohen (which had been founded in 1832 by Lewis I. Cohen), Samuel Hart & Co (founded c.1849 by Samuel Hart) and John J. Levy.

*1900 - The United States Playing Card Company expanded again, moving from downtown Cincinnati to a newly-built factory in Norwood. Situated on over 30 acres, the facility would eventually accommodate over 600,000 square feet of manufacturing operations.

*1907 - USPCC acquires Andrew Dougherty which operates independently until 1930.

*1914 - USPCC opens a Canadian manufacturing operation, which becomes the International Playing Card Company in 1933, and continues producing cards until 1961. From 1961 until 1991 they processed sheets printed in Cincinnati into finished decks.

*1922 - The radio station WSAI was built within the USPC complex and used to promote the game of bridge by broadcasting bridge lessons. In those days, there was no limitation on the range of radio power and the WSAI transmission was so clear and strong that it could be picked up as far away as New Zealand. WSAI was eventually sold in the 1930's to the Crosley Radio Corporation.

*1926 - A Neo-Romanesque bell tower (4-stories high) was built atop the company's 4-story main building entrance. This tower housed a set of 12 carillon bells, ranging in size from 1-1/2 to 5-1/2 feet. This was the first set of chimes built for radio broadcasting, and they were connected electronically to radio station WSAI.

*1929 - USPCC acquires the Russell Playing Card Co.

*1930 - Consolidated-Dougherty Card Co. Inc. is formed, a division of USPCC. The new company is made up of the New York Consolidated Card Co., Andrew Dougherty, and the Standard Playing Card Co.

*World War II - the company secretly worked with the U. S. government in fabricating special decks to send as gifts for American prisoners of war in German camps. When these cards were moistened, they peeled apart to reveal sections of a map indicating precise escape routes. Also during the war, USPC provided "spotter" cards, which illustrated the characteristic shapes of tanks, ships and aircraft from the more powerful countries.

*1950 - The craze for the South American card game Canasta boosts sales.

*February, 1966 - The Vietnam war. Two lieutenants of Company "C," Second Battalion, 35th Regiment, 25th Infantry Division, wrote The United States Playing Card Company and requested crates of the ace of spades in bulk. The crates were often marked with "Bicycle Secret Weapon". The cards were used as psychological warfare, deliberately scattered in the jungle and in hostile villages during raids. The ace of spades, while not a symbol of superstitious fear to the NLF (VC), did help the morale of American soldiers. US soldiers and Marines would also stick this card in their helmet band as a sort of anti-peace sign.

*1969 - Diamond International buys the USPCC.

*1982 - Jessup & Lamont buy the USPCC.

*1984 - Museum opens at the Norwood facility displaying company's collection of historical playing cards dating back to the fourteenth century. The collection was started in 1890 when what became USPCC was still Russell, Morgan and Company. The nucleus of the collection was acquired from George Clulow, a graphics designer in England who wrote "The Origin and Manufacture of Playing Cards" in 1889. Catherine Perry Hargrave wrote "A History of Playing Cards" (1930), based primarily on the USPCC collection (which she catalogued). The artifacts span over 500 years and provide a global survey, especially strong in non-standard packs. A related library contains about 1000 books, some dating as early as the 1500s.

*1989 - Frontenac buys the USPCC.

*1986 - USPCC acquires Heraclio Fournier, S.A., the largest playing card manufacturer in Europe.

*1987 - USPCC acquires Arrco Playing Card Company, the third largest playing card manufacturer in the U.S. and previously called Arrow Playing Card Co. (1920's-1935).

*1991 - Bicycle decks are licensed for use in computer games.

*Late 1994 - A successful buyout returned control of the company to Management and local investors, bringing the USPCC back to it's Cincinnati roots.

*2001 - The company acquires Hoyle Products and its Hoyle brand playing cards.
 - USPCC renewed its attention to the casino market by introducing tamper resistant cards. The following year the company began marketing cards that incorporated an anti-fraud technology developed by LaserLock Technology. Through this innovation, a visible band on a box of cards would indicate whether someone had tampered with the deck.
 -October 30, USPCC Museum closes without warning. By 2007 a small number of items from the collection are displayed while an unknown percentage of the collection had been sold and the rest remained packed up.

*2004 - USPCC braced for another reorganization as an acquisition bid from New York-based Jarden Corporation was accepted. Under the agreement, Jarden would pay $232 million for USPCC and the other Bicycle holdings, including European player Heraclio Fournier S.A. and the International Playing Card Company of Canada. There's a stipulation in the contract that the US Playing Card Company and its 510 employees will remain in town. In addition to gaining a company Jarden management referred to in a 2004 New York Times article as "the quintessential dominant player in a niche market," the prospective new parent vowed to focus on the company's profitable licensing agreements and non-card game segments as well.
 - USPCC acquires KEM playing cards.

*2007 - USPCC introduces a new line of playing cards called "PokerPeek" at the 2007 World Series of Poker. The face of each card has the rank and suit at all four corners, at a 45° angle to the card's edges, and the size of the traditional face designs are reduced and flanked by jumbo-index ranks. They were not popular with the players and were pulled from play.

*August 20, 2009 - USPCC has Grand Opening of the new location in Erlanger, Northern Kentucky. Moved from Norwood (Cincinnati) Ohio against the agreement with management which secured the sale of the company to Jarden. In a news release Jarden states that USPCC will continue to have operations in Cincinnati, including a display of the company's museum of historical playing cards.

*December 2010 - The Cincinnati division of the USPCC has moved across the river into a business park near the airport. They no longer have a gift shop, and it's not clear what happened to the remnants of the museum.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Bicycle Revision 1 Playing Cards
« on: March 27, 2012, 01:40:43 AM »
I received my Revision 1 early last week and I am in Canada. Some of the individual pledges must be getting sent out. These are well thought out, quality cards worth waiting for.

Being a backer on Kickstarter, or Indiegogo, does require a fair amount of patience. All of the other pledges I have made have taken longer than the pledgee planned, sometimes much longer, but I have never been disappointed in the pledge reward itself.


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Vintage Collection
« on: March 18, 2012, 08:34:23 PM »
Vintage card clips, and the best of my vintage and antique decks.
The last pic is of a partial deck found in a box of World War II photos. It is a mini deck, and since there are no indexes it may be older than the 1940s. If anyone has any information that may help me identify these cards I would really appreciate it.

This might not help as much, but I found the same deck with a white back in an canceled auction.
http://everythingelse.bidstart.com/Victorian-1-4-size-deck-Cromwell-Series-D-Harper-and-Co-/9781709/a.html

Just an update on my search for the background of these mystery cards. I went looking at some records not directly related to playing cards and found this:

D. Harper and Co
of 258/262 Holloway Road, London, N7.
listed as an exhibitor in the British Industries Fair for years 1922, 1929, 1937, 1947.

The British Industries Fair was an important exhibition centre in Birmingham, England, built in 1920. Since the fair only started in the 1920s, and D. Harper and Co may have been around much longer than that, I still don't have a year for my partial deck. At least I know the company was around from 1922 - 1947.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: vintage Gemaco Casino-Pro - Gem Back
« on: March 11, 2012, 04:12:20 PM »
These are up in the sales section now. I have included some Gemaco history in the listing, but there were no other vintage cards like these that I could find online.

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Sealed vintage GEMACO gemback Casino-Pro playing cards with Armor Finish.
I am selling from Canada.

Gemaco Inc. was formerly known as the George C. Matteson Company. In 1965 Matteson launched a new venture as a supplier of playing cards to the gaming and promotional products markets. The company prospered and the GEMACO (pronounced gemaico) brand became a highly respected and significant supplier of casino cards. In 1992, Matteson and his associates sold the company. He served as chairman emeritus until his retirement in 1994, and was elected to the industry hall of fame in 2002. George C. Matteson passed away on May 16, 2011.

The top of the box says "Casino Pro", and the bottom says "Armor Finish". The cards are stiff. The Armor Finish has a nice slip and apparently they spread and faro well. The cellophane on these decks is thick, has a yellow tint, is not brittle, and is heat sealed at the top in a corrugated ridge. Cellophane and decks are in excellent shape, and with the unusual length wise tear-strip these would look good in a collection. I have not been able to find any others like these for sale online.

6 decks: 2 blue and 4 red. $6 each deck, or $10 for 2.

These are actual Canada Post rates rounded to the nearest dollar. All shipping costs given are for 1 - 2 decks so if you want more please PM me for a revised shipping charge.

Shipping:

to the US - $6
to international - $9
to Canada - $12 and up depending where you are.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Your Ultimate Custom Brick!
« on: March 08, 2012, 09:11:31 AM »
@xZEROx
Is there something visual about the Blaine Hypnotic deck you really like, or is it a rarity thing?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Your Ultimate Custom Brick!
« on: March 07, 2012, 04:48:30 PM »
Much as I love having everyone talk about my Puke ;D , xZEROx and brown_baggs are right. Who is going to puke, I mean post, the next brick?




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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Your Ultimate Custom Brick!
« on: March 07, 2012, 10:33:32 AM »
Sun Wukong - Monkey King from China (Puke looks funny but I think it is actually Pu Ke for playing cards)
You have so many strange playing cards :o

Yes, it is Pu-Ke though stupid...
"Poker" is transliterated to "撲克" in Chinese, and they transliterated "撲克" back to English as "Pu Ke" :mindf-ck: :mindf-ck: :mindf-ck: 

You know the story of Sun Wukong, its Chinese name is "孫悟空". And this name is also used in the comics/anime Dragon Ball, though the pronunciation is changed to "Son Goku" in Japanese.

悟 (wu) means "to realize" and 空 (kong) means "emptiness", so "悟空" has its Buddhism meaning in Chinese.


 :mindf-ck:  Thanks digipunk, I was just guessing at Pu Ke being playing cards because I had seen it on other chinese decks as well.  I did read the story behind the Monkey King - had to know what was going on with the interesting images on the cards. Does that mean Wikipedia has it wrong and Sun Wukong should be Sun Wu Kong as separate words? I am adding your info to my write up for this deck.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Your Ultimate Custom Brick!
« on: March 06, 2012, 04:33:40 PM »
@Dazzleguts that's a really interesting little brick you've got going on.  I know what you mean about it being different if you did it again the next day; I think mine would be, too.


Thanks Kanped! The picture turned out pretty bad even though it looked great on my computer. I did it as an attachment. Do you have to have the picture hosted online somewhere before you can place it in the post itself?


@jmrock  Like those Triton cards. Is Triton riding a fish on the joker, or am I thinking of another deck?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Your Ultimate Custom Brick!
« on: March 06, 2012, 03:16:02 PM »
Very hard to choose, and if I did this again tomorrow it would probably be a different brick. I considered slanting these more towards the cardstry/magic decks, but to be truthful this is it. I would swap the "Bag of Bones" for my Yutaka Kikuchi fanning deck from the 70's, but it is too large to fit in a brick. :-[   
Sun Wukong - Monkey King from China (Puke looks funny but I think it is actually Pu Ke for playing cards)
Early Deland's
Tactics Supranationals - deck printed by Nintendo in 1982
Bag of Bones - one of a series of transformation decks from artist John Littleboy
Blue Artifice 1st edition
DSR Rostock II - Naval Company deck with custom art. Aces feature sea monsters.
Ackermann transformation deck from 1818
Sentinels
Penitentiary deck from The Netherlands
Split Spades 1st edition, any colour
Oldschool Pirate Tattoo by tatoo artist Vitaly Fishilevich
Le Jeu de Marseille - deck created by the surrealists in 1940

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