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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Different version of Jerry's Nuggets?
« on: February 09, 2013, 06:49:12 PM »
Quote from: Curt on February 09, 2013, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: ibrahimjaber on February 09, 2013, 01:35:39 PM
Interesting but I have no information to help

Hey mate,

It's awesome that you are showing interest in many topics but I am going to have to ask you to start bumping up the quality of your posts. If you don't have anything to add to the conversation then it really isn't necessary to post and is considered spam. If your posts do not improve the could be subject to deletion by moderators because the only spam we like to see on this forum is in the Lol-aq

fyi, he's posting a bunch so he can get the 25 posts necessary to sell decks in the sales forum

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: Flow. TUTORIALS ARE LIVE.
« on: February 09, 2013, 06:36:08 PM »
Finally got around to trying this out, and here's my review of the whole thing:

MOVES:

Eclair - Easy but cool move. My favorite part is the little extension about halfway through with one of the packets, but I'm not really a fan of the card riffle at the end although it's not a huge negative for me. Picked up the move without any trouble, and it's fun to do.

Curvest - Definitely the hardest part of the whole thing, and really the only one I had trouble with. This is mostly because I've never been good at the single card peel-off move, and also I was using wynns while learning these which aren't exactly the best for that. Other than that, the first 360 card rotation is a bit tricky. Overall I think this is the most creative of all of the flourishes

Verv - Easiest part. If you know Molecule, you'll pick this up the first time you see it. Looks nice though, and it's really just a transition move between the two more flashy parts.

Centrifuge - Looks harder than it actually is. Picked this up first time through as well, but it is flashy and has some "wow" factor to it. Reminds me a bit of Reinvention by Michael James, although that move is way harder than this one.

Flow - Combination of all the moves, and supposed to be the same type of concept as Jackson Five by D&D. Nothing really new to add about each of the parts. I did have one issue with it, which is that I thought it didn't really "flow" as well as it could have, since the deck pretty much goes back together between each move. The thing with J5 is that the cards are always in 3-5 separate packets throughout the whole thing instead of going back together, so I don't think it flows as well as it could. That's really just a minor thing though, and overall I thought it was a creative, quality flourish.

Overall: 8/10

TEACHING:

The teaching is decent. I think some of the moves could be taught in more detail, and someone with less experience might have trouble figuring out what to do. Positives include verbal teaching, two different angles, and directions that are good enough to learn with. The moves themselves don't exactly require a ton of in-depth teaching, but there are some parts that are somewhat skimmed through. Way better than the System, at least...

Overall: 7/10

PRODUCTION:

It's good. Not going to go too in-depth here but I will say that there certainly was some time spent on this, and it wasn't an afterthought. I thought it added quality to the whole thing overall.

Overall: 8/10

PRICE:

It's free

Overall: 10/10

OVERALL OVERALL: 8/10. Creative, easy to learn, and free. No real complaints, except that the names of the flourishes are kinda lame...lol

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: February 08, 2013, 07:10:05 PM »
Quote from: Encarded on February 08, 2013, 04:20:57 PM
I got my set today. Initial thoughts:

The metallic green is only baaaaaarely metallic. The box, which I thought had deep and extensive embossing is glossy and flat as a pancake (the subtle box reveal is brilliant though). I was bummed the courts didn't have some custom coloring to match the backs, and a couple of the faces are a little odd looking. The back is quite a nice design but I wish there was another color worked in to provide a little pop and contrast. The edges of the deck are very smooth and the artwork is registered nicely with the thin borders (but no more so than Aurum turned out). Right out of the box, the feel is definitely different from USPCC, it's like a mix of air-cushion and smooth, you can see the dimples but the cards feel very slick. Stock feels thinner than some, but really isn't if you put the deck next to a USPCC. They fan beautifully out of the box for me. They also stink, in that they smell pretty nasty.

I'd say that they are different, but not really better or worse than a Q1 USPCC deck. Overall a very nice deck, but not the second coming.

agreed with this

To reply to people talking about breaking the deck in, I have been using these cards quite a bit over the past week+ and I agree that they do handle better after being worked in a bit. However, they are still not better or worse than any given custom deck from USPCC. Basically what Paul said. I never said I didn't like this deck because I definitely think it is a high quality deck, but my comments before are mainly in response to the significant hype on this deck that frankly isn't there for me. The "extras" are really take it or leave it for me as well, though if someone really wanted to use them in a routine I could see them getting some kind of use.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: February 07, 2013, 05:27:44 PM »
Quote from: Gunshy1 on February 06, 2013, 11:03:06 PM
so far the only two people that have had this deck long enough to break it in to the point to actually know how it handles are don and evan. both of them have said that once they break in they handle very well.

I'm not sure how long you think it takes to properly break in a deck of cards, but I assure that it's shorter than you think. You don't need a month+ of extensive use to break in a deck

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: February 06, 2013, 10:42:22 PM »
let's be honest here, the legends deck is lower quality than the average custom deck from USPCC. There's no "golden egg" coming from this printer because the quality is the same as USPCC at best, and the foreign shipping makes the decks end up costing about the same as a custom deck from USPCC. We certainly don't have a game changer here.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: February 06, 2013, 09:41:58 PM »
but it doesn't lay golden eggs. it lays regular eggs that are actually slightly worse than the eggs that you're used to eating

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: White Lions vs Split Spades
« on: February 06, 2013, 09:16:44 PM »
http://playingcards.wikidot.com/split-spades

I wish this site was updated more tbh, but it still has a lot of good stuff

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: Need advice, injured thumb what can I do?
« on: February 03, 2013, 02:13:33 AM »
let it heal before doing anything with it. One thing I've learned more than anything from weightlifting is to let injuries heal completely before attempting to do anything with them, despite how incredibly tempting it is to work through it. In the long run it'll be way better for you, believe me.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A more formal introduction
« on: February 03, 2013, 01:52:05 AM »
Quote from: Don Boyer on February 01, 2013, 09:53:21 PM
Quote from: sr15 on February 01, 2013, 06:29:53 PM

Definitely not afraid to make my opinion known as some people here have found out (Don...lol), but I'd like to think I'm pretty easy to get along with.

You're easy enough to get along with - there's nothing wrong with having a firm opinion; it makes for good conversation.

"Welcome aboard!"  :))

I try not to be antagonistic, but I guess I come off that way sometimes...Maybe it's an internet thing because I feel like I'm much easier to get along with in person. oh well

Quote from: Lara Krystle "Lane" on February 02, 2013, 11:48:35 PM


Hey Mike! Love the intro!!! Love it love it love it!
I love the Pen & Teller Bullshit, specially the one about the FineDining episode! It always cracks me up! hahahaha!

Anyway welcome back (i guess). Since you've been here for some time now I guess I don't have to give you the welcome post which usually consists of reminding  people that there is a SEARCH function you can use in case you wanted to look for certain topics and telling people that "If you have questions you can just message any of the mods. " right?

hahahaha anway, thanks for posting your intro!! :) Glad to STILL have you with us!!

BTW. You breakdance?!

thanks for the re-welcome Lara lol. As far as breakdancing goes, I have been doing it for a few months as sort of a hobby (similar to all things cards I guess). I'm not that great at it but I really love doing it, and it's a way better workout than running and stuff like that so that's a benefit. It's really just a lot of fun to do and not quite as hard to get into as people may think. I don't have a video or anything of me doing it like I do with drumming but here's kind of an example of stuff I like doing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FURxCWZX6A

quite fun and I guess impressive to some people since a lot of people are awful at dancing lol

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: February 02, 2013, 03:56:53 AM »
I've had some USPCC decks click-bend on me before, but it hasn't happened yet with this deck. JAQK decks for whatever reason always click-bend on me before I really break them in, and a few others have too.

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: beginner cardistry
« on: February 01, 2013, 07:32:07 PM »
Quote from: Edward on February 01, 2013, 07:25:06 PM
I have a small trick I use, I break the deck into four packets, Tape the packets seperately,  This way I don't pick up scattered cards all over the floor just a packet at a time,, This is good for basic sybil and such,

that's good for getting the movements down first, but you definitely want to practice with a normal deck because you need to learn how to keep the packets stable while moving them around. I would recommend that trick for beginners just learning moves like sybil though

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Introduce Yourself / Re: A more formal introduction
« on: February 01, 2013, 07:17:31 PM »
I've never lived in Chicago, for full disclosure. I lived in Dundee (by Elgin) for the first 18 years of my life, then moved to Evanston when I went to college. So right by the city but never in it, although I do go downtown quite a bit especially to wrigleyville. I have been to NYC too, and I agree lol. Both are better than Philadelphia though...man do I have some stories about Philadelphia..........

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Introduce Yourself / A more formal introduction
« on: February 01, 2013, 06:29:53 PM »
So I've been posting here for a few months now (I think I joined back in November?), but I never got around to doing one of these. My name is Mike, I'm 22 years old and I'm from Chicago...area, though I usually just say Chicago because it's easier. I pretty much do everything related to cards, and it varies from day to day what I'm feeling. More recently I've been practicing cardistry/flourishing, while about a month or two ago I was practicing gambling sleights and shuffles mainly, and of course I started out with magic which I still do from time to time. Also I have a pretty decent card collection, but not as extensive as some card collections I've seen (I'd say around 70 decks total right now).

I got into cards around March last year IIRC, so I've been practicing for about ten months. It was kinda strange how it happened. For whatever reason I got really into Penn & Teller Bullshit in late 2011, which eventually led to me watching Fool Us, and that is what eventually led me to picking up magic for myself. The rest followed along after that. I got into cardistry after watching Decksandcontest's video on the sybil cut, then I got Dangerous and Trilogy and have been practicing that ever since. I'd say my biggest interest is in magic/gambling sleights more than the actual tricks, which is also a big reason why I do cardistry. I really only do magic spontaneously, and usually while drinking which kind of makes it harder, so that's definitely not what motivates me to practice. It's more like I really just enjoy getting better at moves or flourishes, i.e. I'd practice the classic pass rather than practicing a specific trick, and it's mostly because I like to see the improvement in the moves.

Other than cards, my main hobbies are drumming, powerlifting, and breakdancing. Somewhat unconventional hobbies, I know, but I do all of those for very similar reasons to why I practice with cards. I develop an interest for something, which turns into a passion and I just love getting better at them. I've been drumming and powerlifting for about 5 years now, and breakdancing for a few months (still not that great at it lol but it's fun). Drumming will always be my #1 passion and I'd say it's the thing I'm best at. Here's an old video of me drumming for reference, though I am quite a bit better now (it's about a year and a half old)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYblaNG2cIs

Yes, Streetlight Manifesto is my favorite band, and I really love music in general but that's a long discussion for another time. I guess this introduction got a bit long and somewhat off topic but here you go. Definitely not afraid to make my opinion known as some people here have found out (Don...lol), but I'd like to think I'm pretty easy to get along with.

Go Blackhawks!

-Mike

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: Flow. Cardistry Project.
« on: February 01, 2013, 01:50:14 PM »
looks pretty simple, but really smooth. I'll probably give it a shot when you release the tutorial

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Moonshine Deck, from Enigma, Ltd.
« on: February 01, 2013, 03:38:16 AM »
from those images the deck looks pretty cool, although I'll obviously wait for more before deciding on whether to get it or not. I do love moonshine though.....................

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: February 01, 2013, 01:49:39 AM »
I believe the cards are in a mnemonica stack, which is standard for a lot (all?) of Stutzman's decks

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: February 01, 2013, 12:43:01 AM »
Quote from: Don Boyer on January 31, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: sr15 on January 31, 2013, 05:30:13 PM

the faroing ability is slightly worse than normal USPCC

Have you tried faroing them face down?  They go easier that way, like a traditionally cut deck.  I was messing around with mine earlier today.

yes, and that's what I was basing my comments on. USPCC decks seem to faro better.

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I think you're missing something here, something very important - more so to deck designers than consumers.  We now have a company in Taiwan that can manufacture playing cards on par with if not better than USPC.  In the recent past, if you wanted quality custom work, most people turned immediately to USPC; other companies couldn't match the quality.


again, I was literally the first person in the thread to bring this up so I don't know why you keep telling me this.

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BTW: if you rate most custom decks from USPC today as "above average", doesn't that make the average "above average"?  :))

in terms of all decks USPCC makes, standard decks and custom decks included. Custom decks are usually higher quality than standard decks.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: January 31, 2013, 08:34:17 PM »
no I'm near chicago which is cold as fuck. I think the cards maybe needed to warm up a bit so that might be a reason why. Either way they definitely were handling better after I messed around with them for a while.

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Magical Cardistry Bonanza / Re: beginner cardistry
« on: January 31, 2013, 06:24:40 PM »
here's where I started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9yeV9oT2o

I'd recommend this for a few reasons. First, it's an awesome tutorial. Asad has some of the best free tutorials on youtube imo, so you should also check out some of his tutorials on fans, charlier and revolution cuts for starters. Second, the Sybil cut is one of the "building blocks" for some of the more advanced flourishes you'll see, from guys like D&D and Daniel Madison for example. Another "building block" cut that is used quite a bit is the Tornado flourish, so look for a tutorial on that as well (I forgot where I learned it, but it was on youtube).

From there, you should look into some DVDs like Genesis and Papercuts. Those contain quite a few fairly easy flourishes to learn and are good for beginners. Dan and Dave's Trilogy disc 2 and Daniel Madison's Dangerous disc 2 have some slightly more difficult flourishes to learn, although there are also some fairly easy ones on there as well, so you could look into those too. See if you can find videos of the flourishes on youtube or some reviews of them, but I can tell you that they're all quality DVDs.

Some DVDs to avoid would be D&D's System and Michael James' Solo. System has quality flourishes, but the teaching is really poor and outdated so a beginner would probably have a hard time learning them. You can find free tutorials for the Werm on youtube, which is a pretty easy cut from The System. Solo has excellent cuts, production, and good teaching, but the cuts on there would be very very difficult for a beginner to learn. Definitely something to look into once you've been practicing for a few months, though.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: January 31, 2013, 05:30:13 PM »
initial impressions of this deck:

- If I had to describe the feel of the deck in relation to a USPCC deck, I'd say aladdins with a magic finish I guess. The cards feel very smooth and slippery. The stock is thinner than most USPCC decks I've handled, and somewhat firm when trying to spring them. Though an individual card feels a bit more flimsy than a regular Bike card.

- The handling out of the box is fairly awful, but after about 25-30 minutes of breaking them in they start to handle pretty well. Fans are pretty standard, springs are pretty standard, the faroing ability is slightly worse than normal USPCC, and the finish on the cards is pretty prominent. Like the cards feel like there's still excess finish on them right out of the box. Not sure what's up with that. I tried doing some flourishes with them, but the slippery finish makes them less useful for that then other decks. Possibly once I break them in more they'll be a bit easier to do cuts with. Sleights are fairly standard with the deck

- I'm a fan of the design of the deck, the back design especially. Faces are fairly standard, except for the Stutzman standard of changing the court card faces. The AoS is a bit bland but still passable, but the jokers are pretty interesting and I actually like the design of them. The back design is packed with detail and I think it looks awesome. There's a ton going on design-wise, so I'm sure there's some sort of marking system hidden in there somewhere. Overall, I'd rate the design positively.

- I found a few of the "secrets" of the deck, and honestly I could take them or leave them. Some of it is clever, like the already mentioned 8 of Diamonds reveal on the back of the box, or the bolding of some pips to act as a kind of one-way back. Some of it is standard, like the joker reveal and the reveal on the bottom of the box. I'm sure there's more to be found in the deck. I certainly wouldn't recommend the deck based on these little secrets alone, but it's an interesting addition to the deck.

Overall, after about 45 minutes of handling I'd rate this deck as above average, right around the same rating I'd give most custom decks from USPCC. The handling is decent after some breaking in, the design is cool, and the "secrets" are a nice addition. I'd recommend picking up 1 or a 3-pack or whatever floats your boat.

Reading over this thread again, I can tell that guys like Zenneth and Don were way overhyping these for whatever reason (marketing purposes? who knows), so I don't think there will be any groundbreaking changes to the playing card industry. If the cost of making them actually is cheaper, which is somewhat unclear based on the prices they're currently going for, then I can see the manufacturer becoming an alternative to USPCC custom decks, which is nice side-effect of the deck. Overhyped? Probably, but still a good deck of cards.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Legends Deck, coming Jan 2013 from David Blaine and Bill Kalush
« on: January 31, 2013, 02:47:41 PM »
I emailed CARC today because I hadn't received any sort of email conformation from them, and they told me that they were having problems with their email system and that my order was already shipped. If anyone was still waiting on an email from them, that might be the reason.

They said it was shipped yesterday so I should have them by tomorrow I think. Maybe today, I haven't checked the mail yet. Either way, I'm pretty damn excited for these cards.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: POLL: What's your age?
« on: January 29, 2013, 10:04:34 PM »
considering you just learned about the term today and I've been using it for years, I think I'll go with my interpretation

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Introduce Yourself / Re: POLL: What's your age?
« on: January 29, 2013, 09:14:11 PM »
I guess just ignore the first three definitions which are more highly rated

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Fontaine playing cards
« on: January 29, 2013, 09:04:56 PM »
this whole deck is completely underwhelming

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Introduce Yourself / Re: POLL: What's your age?
« on: January 29, 2013, 12:25:20 PM »
Quote from: Don Boyer on January 29, 2013, 03:10:06 AM
Quote from: sr15 on January 29, 2013, 02:16:58 AM
old man strength defies physics. You don't need to be muscular to have old man strength, you just have it. The biggest 20 year olds are no match for any old guy with old man strength, regardless of his size

old man strength trumps all

That strength comes from wisdom, not physical condition...

apparently you still don't get it

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=old%20man%20strength

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