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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards LIVE on IndieGoGo
« on: June 18, 2015, 09:50:29 AM »

Thank you all for your feedback. But trust me when I said we tried very hard to get it running on Kickstarter.

What, exactly, prevented you from using KS?  Geographic location?
Yes. I am from Singapore and Edo is from Indonesia. Thus we are not able to start a campaign.

Why didn't you work with some company from the U.S.? You may ask. That is because we might not have full creative control over the deck and we might need to split what we have with the company as well. Kickstarter also doesn't allow us to raise funds for charity.

I tried tying up with a few friends but could not due to insufficient time.

We felt that using fixed funding on indiegogo would serve to be close to what kickstarter has to offer. But we would lose a lot of online traffic. Which I why I have been actively ending the community from a while back. Hoping you good people could help spread the word and our cause.

That's about it. Hope it clears things up.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards LIVE on IndieGoGo
« on: June 18, 2015, 06:56:03 AM »
For those who have concerns about IndieGoGo. This project is fixed funding. That means all or nothing. So if the project doesn't fully fund. You will get your money back :D ....................eventually!  >:(

This is one of those decks when figuring cost per deck, considering shipping. It makes sense to get at least 2.
1 deck is $10 + $7 US shipping = $17 per deck
2 decks are $19 + $8 US shipping = $13.50 per deck
6 decks are $51 + $15 US shipping = $11 per deck
Thank you for the breakdown Rob. $11 per deck is pretty decent right? And it gets cheap when one buys more. Which makes sense right? Anyway have anyone of you guys checked out our trailer on the page?

I too hate Indiegogo  >:(and though it sucks that my funds are immediately tied up, I like this deck enough that I am willing to back it, though for less of an amount than on KS due to the immediately tying up of funds.

Me too, just spend my money on iMac.. anyway I backed 1 deck for now.. Good Luck

Thanks man. It really means a lot to us.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards LIVE on IndieGoGo
« on: June 18, 2015, 02:10:30 AM »
I too hate Indiegogo  >:(and though it sucks that my funds are immediately tied up, I like this deck enough that I am willing to back it, though for less of an amount than on KS due to the immediately tying up of funds.
Thank you so much for pledging no matter how much :)
Hey guys,

I just confirmed that you can use credit card when you checkout at indiegogo. Just select the credit card option instead of paypal and you are good to go. Thank you all that have pledged so far. Early bird perks are running real low. So hurry

Cheers
Ben

One caveat: Indiegogo charges you IMMEDIATELY, and not when the campaign succeeds.  Presumably, if it's not flexible funding and fails, you get a refund, but you're out the cash/credit the moment you complete the pledge.  I had to deal with this before.  IGG also doesn't allow campaigns to be canceled - they have to play out the entire time, even if there's no chance of success, even if the creator no longer wants to follow through on the project.  If "Manticore" was "canceled" tomorrow, you'd still have to wait for the project's term date to get the debit/charge reversed.

It's one of the key reasons why I so strongly dislike Indiegogo.
Thank you all for your feedback. But trust me when I said we tried very hard to get it running on Kickstarter.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards LIVE on IndieGoGo
« on: June 17, 2015, 10:03:08 PM »
Hey guys,

I just confirmed that you can use credit card when you checkout at indiegogo. Just select the credit card option instead of paypal and you are good to go. Thank you all that have pledged so far. Early bird perks are running real low. So hurry

Cheers
Ben

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Playing Card Plethora / Mantecore Playing Cards LIVE on IndieGoGo
« on: June 15, 2015, 09:16:57 AM »
Mantecore is LIVE!!.Head over to http://igg.me/at/mantecore for more details. :)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: June 14, 2015, 07:43:30 AM »
I still say it very closely resembles the Multimiller logo...
They do share some resemblance, but I still stand by our design being different.

A gentle reminder that the project will go live about 24 hours from now at http://igg.me/at/mantecore. Thank you all for all the comments and love so far.

Also, be there early for the early bird specials :)

Cheers
Ben

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: June 08, 2015, 08:56:37 AM »
Hey guys, we are on the last leg of preparations for Mantecore, which would launch on 15 June 15, and would need your help to spread the word. I am hosting a contest over at my Instagram page https://instagram.com/p/3qqKokOne6/ where you could win 1 of 4 decks. Thank you for taking the time to read.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: May 31, 2015, 04:06:15 AM »
Hey guys, I am hosting a small little contest over at my instagram @siegismyname to promote Mantecore. Its not much but your help is appreciated. :)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: May 28, 2015, 10:26:41 PM »
I just googled it as i forgot how it looks like. There are only a few ways to write the letter "M"

This is true - but when combined with a symbol or drawn as a symbol, it can become a trademark, no different that the McDonald's "golden arches."  I'd suggest checking with an IP attorney if you plan to keep that logo unaltered.  I've seen cases both on and off Kickstarter where projects got derailed (or became a LOT more expensive) because of the use of a logo too similar to another's.  Just ask the Nevada Broadcasting Company - in the 1980s, when the National Broadcasting Corporation (more commonly known now as NBC, a division of General Electric) changed their logo to a stylized "N" in blue and red, they sued NBC and settled for a large sum, having had a previous logo in the same design in brown and black that pre-existed that of the larger company.

Companies that would ordinarily not fuss over copyright issues will make a stink over trademarks - trademark protection only applies if the owner doesn't permit excess "dilution" by allowing variants to exist and propagate, even within the company itself.  It's why USPC no longer allows alterations of some of their classic art, including the Bicycle Rider Back, Joker and Ace of Spades.
That's a valid point. Thanks for bringing that up Don.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: May 27, 2015, 01:16:22 AM »
I just googled it as i forgot how it looks like. There are only a few ways to write the letter "M"

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: May 26, 2015, 12:19:38 PM »
Since I have shared them on the other forum. It would also make sense to share them here. We would love to hear what you guys think.

Presenting to your the court cards.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: May 23, 2015, 12:02:18 PM »
Guys we have a launch date

15 June 2015

Mark your calendars

Here are a few photos, of prototypes of Mantecore by myself and a few friends around the world.

EDIT: there will be an early bird special. I'll update the launch time soon, when I have confirmed it :)

Cheers

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Antler by D&D
« on: May 03, 2015, 06:27:32 AM »
I'm in contact with them to find out if this is new stock of the ultimate deck, or leftover stock from their previous sales. I would love to get my hands on a V1 or two, I'm not happy with the seal change on the V2s

Wait - there's a standard edition and a limited edition - but you're trying to say that there's also a version one and a version two as well, bringing the total number of permutations of version/edition/color to 8 different decks?
I think he's referring to the ultimate deck.

Anyways what do u guys think about the antlers? I personally haven't played with them.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: April 21, 2015, 02:16:33 AM »
Presenting to you guys Mantecore's Joker

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Isometric Playing Cards
« on: April 15, 2015, 11:04:40 AM »
I believe these will be funding on Indiegogo.  I'll pass simply for that reason.

May I know why? Even if its fixed funding?

IndieGoGo leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths, mine included.  Flex funding aside, they can be a real pain in the ass to deal with because of their nasty habit of charging for pledges up front.  I remember pledging for a deck project on IGG that the creator canceled.  I tried to cancel my pledge and was told by IGG that refunds wouldn't be issued until the funding period ended - technically, they don't allow for a project's cancellation, forcing you to wait for the project to expire to receive refunds.  I made a stink about it and they refunded me - but I'm never going to back cards (or anything) on IGG again.
That sucks Don, and I feel you. But I guess this is the only other decent alternative for us, who live in the opposite end of the globe with no US address, to crowdfund a project. Unless you guys have some other idea.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Isometric Playing Cards
« on: April 14, 2015, 08:56:29 PM »
I believe these will be funding on Indiegogo.  I'll pass simply for that reason.

May I know why? Even if its fixed funding?

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Isometric Playing Cards
« on: April 14, 2015, 09:04:03 AM »
More pictures of the isometric deck from my friend Kenneth Foo. The first official trailer for these cards are also on his channel. Go show my friend some love. :)

Trailer link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UykLmWO4wBk

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: RE Handcrafted - Victoria Playing Cards
« on: April 11, 2015, 01:48:14 AM »
Does anybody know who printed these?
EPCC printed them

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: March 30, 2015, 12:11:30 AM »
Here is a picture of the updated Queen of Clubs and where we got inspiration from. Hope you guys like it

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: March 26, 2015, 09:05:07 PM »

I totally understand the concern about finding an original way to be different. While the first 6 versions of the smoke and mirrors deck had simpler courts, they still had that frame around the courts. The magic con 2012 however, had that larger (frameless) courts but not the simple ones. Thus we merged both of them to create what you will see in the deck. Also, our courts still contain a little detail in all of them and we made some minor tweaks to the faces. I hope this addresses that point.

Regarding the spelling "Mantecore" instead of "Manticore", the latter refers to the a creature which has the body of a red lion, a human head with three rows of sharp teeth (like a shark), sometimes bat-like wings, and a trumpet-like voice (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore). As you might have already noticed, there is nothing depicting a lion in this deck. In fact, the deck was named after the tiger that bit Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy. Although his name is commonly misspelled. We find "Mantecore" to be the accurate spelling of the tiger. Hence the name.

First, you've essentially said, "We liked two D&D designs so much, we cribbed them and combined them."  I used to complain a lot about a lack of originality over there, but this is worse.

Second, this link might be better for explaining your choice of title.  You should be more vocal about it - you chose a name that's a misspelling of a much more popular term than the name you actually named the deck after.  More people will think it was just a misspelling when it's really some kind of tribute.
To each his own. Yes. We did borrow inspirations and ideas from those decks but as you will see in the coming weeks that we are distinct in our own way.

Secondly, I did in fact mention about paying tribute in my first post. But hey Don, you were the first one to ever mention about that misspelling(other than my other friend who's into gaming). You must be an avid gamer of sorts yourself. Or maybe you read a lot.  :)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: March 26, 2015, 11:19:54 AM »

It looks nice but the faces remind me too much of Magic-Con 2013's deck by the Bucks.
I actually love larger and simpler courts as I think larger courts are less bounded by the frame that they are in. And we tweaked the faces a little to make them a tad younger. I guess you are right about the courts looking like the magic-con '13 deck. Those are some of my favourite courts along side the Virts decks

They are great - there's lots of decks using that style.  That itself might be the problem - it's becoming too common.  Why make a deck that looks like so many other decks, especially if yours isn't the first to look that way?

It's hard to tell if the courts are more youthful-looking, considering you supplied us only one photo with a court card in it.
That is true. However we prefer the deck to not be so tricked out and be usuable and recognizable to laypeople. More pictures of the courts will be revealed in the coming weeks.

For now here is a picture of the ace of hearts. Enjoy ;)

I think you've missed my point.  I'm all for a deck that has the classic look to it - especially if it's a deck I plan to use for magic.  I like presenting my audience with a deck they're either familiar with or that fits their sense of style.  Since I don't usually have advance knowledge of one's sense of style, I have to go with familiar.

That doesn't mean the deck has to be dull and boring, either.  It's an easy thing to retain the classic "International Standard" look while lending a bit of originality to it.  Not enough to appear unfamiliar to your audience, but enough to make it noteworthy.

But it does mean that if you want to make yours a bit different, find an original way to do it.  It looks a lot like D&D's deck from the court faces.

BTW: why "Mantecore?"  It's normally spelled "manticore," so I'm guessing there's a reason for the misspelling (other than "I turned off the spellchecker")...

I totally understand the concern about finding an original way to be different. While the first 6 versions of the smoke and mirrors deck had simpler courts, they still had that frame around the courts. The magic con 2012 however, had that larger (frameless) courts but not the simple ones. Thus we merged both of them to create what you will see in the deck. Also, our courts still contain a little detail in all of them and we made some minor tweaks to the faces. I hope this addresses that point.

Regarding the spelling "Mantecore" instead of "Manticore", the latter refers to the a creature which has the body of a red lion, a human head with three rows of sharp teeth (like a shark), sometimes bat-like wings, and a trumpet-like voice (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore). As you might have already noticed, there is nothing depicting a lion in this deck. In fact, the deck was named after the tiger that bit Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy. Although his name is commonly misspelled. We find "Mantecore" to be the accurate spelling of the tiger. Hence the name.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: March 25, 2015, 10:56:56 AM »

It looks nice but the faces remind me too much of Magic-Con 2013's deck by the Bucks.
I actually love larger and simpler courts as I think larger courts are less bounded by the frame that they are in. And we tweaked the faces a little to make them a tad younger. I guess you are right about the courts looking like the magic-con '13 deck. Those are some of my favourite courts along side the Virts decks

They are great - there's lots of decks using that style.  That itself might be the problem - it's becoming too common.  Why make a deck that looks like so many other decks, especially if yours isn't the first to look that way?

It's hard to tell if the courts are more youthful-looking, considering you supplied us only one photo with a court card in it.
That is true. However we prefer the deck to not be so tricked out and be usuable and recognizable to laypeople. More pictures of the courts will be revealed in the coming weeks.

For now here is a picture of the ace of hearts. Enjoy ;)

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: March 22, 2015, 12:13:21 AM »
Definitely  White tiger with blue eyes looks really captivating. It will be a good stretch goal as a second deck.. Mantecore is a White Tiger anyway  :D

Sounds like a plan :)

Great stuff Ben.

I'm a fan of Edo's work. Loved the Nautical deck, and I really like the look of this one also.

Whenever the campaign launches, I'll definitely be on board. Do consider having a second deck as a stretch goal, when the time arrives. Like 52JokesAndCounting, even I think a white backed variant would be cool -- after all, white tigers are pretty awesome.
8) I'll definitely let you guys know when it launches

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Mantecore Playing Cards
« on: March 21, 2015, 12:17:06 PM »
Thank you for your kind words. Currently we are only planning to print only the red-orange one. But who knows ;)

It looks nice but the faces remind me too much of Magic-Con 2013's deck by the Bucks.
I actually love larger and simpler courts as I think larger courts are less bounded by the frame that they are in. And we tweaked the faces a little to make them a tad younger. I guess you are right about the courts looking like the magic-con '13 deck. Those are some of my favourite courts along side the Virts decks

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