Quote from: John B. on June 17, 2014, 12:44:54 PM

Actually Don he is right everything is limited, including riderbacks. Each deck would come from a certain printing batch. Now no one may actual know which one it came from, but its still from that batch which was a certain amount of decks, thus limited. :p

No, you missed his argument - he didn't say everything is limited until later in the argument.  His initial argument was that this deck was not limited if they were planning to create a print run of 15,000.

The Bicycle Rider Back - a.k.a. Bicycle Standard - will not be limited until they stop printing it.  As it is continually and regularly being printed in massive quantities, it is NOT limited.  If Standards are "limited", you could argue that, on a global scale, air is limited or water is limited, even though both are renewable resources.  Sure there is a finite number of air molecules on Earth, but they are constantly renewed - animals breathe in oxygenated air and exhale carbon dioxide, while plants respire by absorbing carbon dioxide and converting it to oxygenated air.  Water is consumed, put out as waste, processed to be drinkable again; it evaporates, it rains into the ground, it settles in the water table, the water table feeds the wells, rivers, lakes, etc. where it evaporates all over again.  It's just as easy to argue that there are a finite number of stars in our universe at any given moment, so they, too, are rare and limited...and the argument holds just as much water.  In fact, that argument plus four quarters is still worth only a buck.

Quote from: BiggerDee on June 17, 2014, 09:53:47 AM

Don, don't confuse me with facts! :-)

You know what I mean. In that regard, everything made is a limited edition! I mean limited edition in the normal meaning, card collector wise.

The "normal" meaning?

Not meaning to nitpick, but let's get a few things straight for all.

(And no, I'm not getting in your grille - it's for knowledge, plain and simple, not personal at all.  )

Decks that are meant to be (or can be) printed indefinitely are NOT genuinely limited editions.  Bicycle Rider Backs are printed constantly, so they aren't limited.  The blue version of the Bohemia deck is not limited, either - while there hasn't been a second printing, the designers designated the original color as the limited edition, so if they chose to do so, that color can be reprinted to their heart's content.

I suppose we could differentiate them by called the Rider Backs a "continuous print" deck, at least until USPC decides to retire it in favor for something else.  The other type, like the Bohemia, could be considered "reprintable but out of print".  The red Bohemia would indeed be limited, never to be reprinted.

You're probably thinking along the lines of all those 2,500-deck print runs.  Those are indeed limited - but not "as limited" as something like the Zenith deck, with a 1,000-deck print run.  But much more "limited" as a deck with a print run of 15,000.  But they're ALL limited.

Which raises the question: when EVERY deck is rare, is any deck really rare anymore?  You can compare quantities in existence for determining rarity, but the real measure would be how easy or difficult it is to obtain one.  Most decks these days don't even fit that criteria, with only a few exceptions, things like Zenith deck or White Centurions or black Moth/Myth decks.  You certainly can't use price, since there are decks like the White Gold-Seal Bicycle New Fan Backs, even more rare than the White Centurions but really inexpensive and not as hard to get by comparison.