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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: October 27, 2019, 05:24:15 AM »
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: October 27, 2019, 05:19:51 AM »
Hello!
I got two kinds of decks that people in the forum taught me.
I also prepared a micrometer and digital vernier calipers to match it.
The micrometer measurement is a point measurement, so we found that it damages the Playing Cards.
Therefore, it is measured by digital vernier caliper.
I will post the result after the measurement.
I got two kinds of decks that people in the forum taught me.
I also prepared a micrometer and digital vernier calipers to match it.
The micrometer measurement is a point measurement, so we found that it damages the Playing Cards.
Therefore, it is measured by digital vernier caliper.
I will post the result after the measurement.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: October 15, 2019, 09:25:11 AM »"What is the most thin deck you have ever felt?"
The one at the bottom of my list
I see.
I would like to get it if I have a chance.
Thank you!
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: October 15, 2019, 09:01:03 AM »Don - just recently I asked USPCC about the paper stock because a few of the people I know who have ordered custom decks had told me that Bicycle is insisting that crushed stock is a separate roll of paper and so I reached out to them and this is the email I got
"Yes, it has been a completely different roll of paper since I started here almost 10 years ago "
Tiffany Mahan Custom Sales Manager
Touya - this is my thickness chart, I don't update it much anymore but my thinnest deck is all the way at the bottom
http://magicorthodoxy.weebly.com/magic-reviews/card-thickness-how-will-these-cards-feel
Thank you for your reply!
I have already seen the list of thickness survey.
Why haven't you measured the thickness for a long time?
Can I check the thickness of the Hollingwords playing cards?
What is the most thin deck you have ever felt?
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 16, 2019, 07:07:30 AM »The agenda will be 'Exploring the thinnest deck in the USPCC'
In terms of thickness,
There are probably a lot of decks that are thinner than US marine corps.
For example, the Congress brand is mostly a bridge-sized or small-sized memento, but the old Congress I have is very thin.
The playing cards I am looking for are:
For use by magicians, gamblers and cardistry,
*Poker size.
*Playing cards that are not intended for special use and are generally available.
*To be made of paper.
*Made by USPCC
The above is the rule.
The people who handle playing cards are always in a world of delicate fingertip technology.
The industry and the manufacturing industry have been digitizing more and more to improve efficiency, but we humans, who deal with decks, are analog.
So I think it's natural to want a deck that is easy to handle.
It is not only a matter of playing cards manufacturing.
The manufacturing industry is greatly affected by external factors such as the historical background of production, poor forest production, and political issues such as war, taxes and environmental problems.
The USPCC OHIO plant has a long history of producing a wide variety of playing cards.
It is difficult to grasp all of them, but I hope the investigation of the thickness will be an index for the future of playing cards.
You mention the Ohio plant. USPC hasn't printed cards in Ohio since 2009. The new plant is in a suburb of Cincinnati, but it's on the other side of the Ohio River, in Erlanger, Kentucky - it's closer to the local international airport. I've had the pleasure of going through a tour of the factory as part of the 52 Plus Joker Club's annual convention back in 2017.
One thing that is a major factor impacting the thickness and uniformity of card stock is that US regulations now require that the paper be made using a high percentage of post consumer recycled content. This means there's fewer long fibers in the paper, but it also means the overall quality of the paper isn't as high as it once was. Using your rules you stated in your previous post about what specifications you're looking for, you mentioned specifically that you only wish to consider USPC decks. This means any new decks will be of this newer, less-consistent, lower-grade of stock.
BTW: I wasn't sure if you're aware, but USPC will be a subsidiary of Cartamundi, a Belgium-based company, before the year is over. It's in the process of being sold by its current owner, Newell Brands. With the recent sale of GPI (owners of Kardwell and Gemaco) to Angel Playing Cards of Osaka, that means the only truly American company left making cards that I know of would be Liberty Playing Cards, operated by the same company that owns the Gambler's Warehouse store.
I know, of course, that USPC was acquired by Cartamundi.
It also shocked collectors and magicians in Japan.
The majority of Japanese people said, 'I think it's the same as before.' but I'm not.
When I learned about the acquisition, I would maintain the status quo for about 20 years, but in the future I expect the USPC to be different and I feel a sense of crisis.
This is because management studies are a repetition of artificial selection and history repeats itself.
As you may know, managers and employees at the OHIO plant used to value tradition far more than users thought.
I also remember that there was a private A special storage room where the old playing cards were stored.
However, I don't like USPCC very much because it doesn't seem to have a direction to respect history and tradition after it shifted to the KY plant and management put profits first.
KY factory-made playing cards have been improved by prominent magicians and cardistry, but we believe that there are limits to that.
However, we have to accept the trend of the times because we cannot survive without mass production.
Cartamundi has pledged to respect, respect and manage the USPCC to the utmost, but it won't last long.
Business management in the present age is like the dinosaur era.
It's easy to imagine another third party trying to make money and monopolize the market, and even Cartamundi being acquired.
When shareholders change, the direction of the company is very unstable.
That's why I think the history of USPCC should be preserved.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 15, 2019, 03:53:04 AM »
The agenda will be 'Exploring the thinnest deck in the USPCC'
In terms of thickness,
There are probably a lot of decks that are thinner than US marine corps.
For example, the Congress brand is mostly a bridge-sized or small-sized memento, but the old Congress I have is very thin.
The playing cards I am looking for are:
For use by magicians, gamblers and cardistry,
*Poker size.
*Playing cards that are not intended for special use and are generally available.
*To be made of paper.
*Made by USPCC
The above is the rule.
The people who handle playing cards are always in a world of delicate fingertip technology.
The industry and the manufacturing industry have been digitizing more and more to improve efficiency, but we humans, who deal with decks, are analog.
So I think it's natural to want a deck that is easy to handle.
It is not only a matter of playing cards manufacturing.
The manufacturing industry is greatly affected by external factors such as the historical background of production, poor forest production, and political issues such as war, taxes and environmental problems.
The USPCC OHIO plant has a long history of producing a wide variety of playing cards.
It is difficult to grasp all of them, but I hope the investigation of the thickness will be an index for the future of playing cards.
In terms of thickness,
There are probably a lot of decks that are thinner than US marine corps.
For example, the Congress brand is mostly a bridge-sized or small-sized memento, but the old Congress I have is very thin.
The playing cards I am looking for are:
For use by magicians, gamblers and cardistry,
*Poker size.
*Playing cards that are not intended for special use and are generally available.
*To be made of paper.
*Made by USPCC
The above is the rule.
The people who handle playing cards are always in a world of delicate fingertip technology.
The industry and the manufacturing industry have been digitizing more and more to improve efficiency, but we humans, who deal with decks, are analog.
So I think it's natural to want a deck that is easy to handle.
It is not only a matter of playing cards manufacturing.
The manufacturing industry is greatly affected by external factors such as the historical background of production, poor forest production, and political issues such as war, taxes and environmental problems.
The USPCC OHIO plant has a long history of producing a wide variety of playing cards.
It is difficult to grasp all of them, but I hope the investigation of the thickness will be an index for the future of playing cards.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 15, 2019, 01:36:47 AM »
You can learn about playing cards manufacturing in this forum. Thank you always for your very clear explanation!
However, your explanation is just a big point of view on the producer side, and is it not about the standard of one brand?
To put it another way, when we produce bicycle, we just say, 'The thickness of bicycle shall be specified as 14.9 mm ± 0.3 mm.' It's not like looking for thin ones among existing old playing cards
You can also see that playing cards made in the pre-1900s hand-writing era have very different thicknesses.
However, the bicycle in the 80s was clearly thinner than the current model, but it never got thinner or thicker by 2mm or 3mm.
The range of manufacturing error in terms of the thickness of each brand depends on the production year, but I think it's up to about 1 sheet.
I think the error of more than 2 sheet is second quality.
For example, the US marine corps and VERGNIA SLIMS that we are talking about this time are close to the production date, and I think it is no problem to say that they are almost the same thickness as machine recipes.
I think the reason the US marine corps is slightly thinner is because the finish is simpler than VERGNIA SLIMS.
In other words, each plastic coating has a different thickness, so the measurement results show a slight difference. Of course the quality is different.
The quality you like depends on the person.
Many people will dislike the very thin and soft quality of US marine corps.
However, if you are a woman or a child, you can use this deck very much when you practice poker size.
In fact, as long as there are very thin decks, each with its own quality, and as long as there is a worldwide demand for manageable decks, I think this endless agenda is worth pursuing.
In other words, I hope that I can supplement the history of playing cards and help the creators of new playing cards by keeping records for future generations
However, your explanation is just a big point of view on the producer side, and is it not about the standard of one brand?
To put it another way, when we produce bicycle, we just say, 'The thickness of bicycle shall be specified as 14.9 mm ± 0.3 mm.' It's not like looking for thin ones among existing old playing cards
You can also see that playing cards made in the pre-1900s hand-writing era have very different thicknesses.
However, the bicycle in the 80s was clearly thinner than the current model, but it never got thinner or thicker by 2mm or 3mm.
The range of manufacturing error in terms of the thickness of each brand depends on the production year, but I think it's up to about 1 sheet.
I think the error of more than 2 sheet is second quality.
For example, the US marine corps and VERGNIA SLIMS that we are talking about this time are close to the production date, and I think it is no problem to say that they are almost the same thickness as machine recipes.
I think the reason the US marine corps is slightly thinner is because the finish is simpler than VERGNIA SLIMS.
In other words, each plastic coating has a different thickness, so the measurement results show a slight difference. Of course the quality is different.
The quality you like depends on the person.
Many people will dislike the very thin and soft quality of US marine corps.
However, if you are a woman or a child, you can use this deck very much when you practice poker size.
In fact, as long as there are very thin decks, each with its own quality, and as long as there is a worldwide demand for manageable decks, I think this endless agenda is worth pursuing.
In other words, I hope that I can supplement the history of playing cards and help the creators of new playing cards by keeping records for future generations
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 15, 2019, 01:20:50 AM »
Thank you for your reply.
Playing cards and manipulation cards for magic are about half as thin as bicycle deck.
There is no point in comparing the quality of these and the line deck sold to the public because they are used for different purposes.
The Vernier used for the measurement is cheap. I'm sorry.
This is only measured as a rough guide for publication on the Internet.
For example, to explain that bee is thicker than bicycle, I thought it would be easier to understand if it was written in rough numbers.
Thank you for your concern about my wife's illness.
I will do my best to support wife.
Playing cards and manipulation cards for magic are about half as thin as bicycle deck.
There is no point in comparing the quality of these and the line deck sold to the public because they are used for different purposes.
The Vernier used for the measurement is cheap. I'm sorry.
This is only measured as a rough guide for publication on the Internet.
For example, to explain that bee is thicker than bicycle, I thought it would be easier to understand if it was written in rough numbers.
Thank you for your concern about my wife's illness.
I will do my best to support wife.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 06, 2019, 09:46:34 AM »
Thank you for your reply.
GH deck is still distributed overseas and you can buy new one.
I'm not talking about it here, but my wife is pregnant and sick, so I gave up buying it for my livelihood.
GH deck is still distributed overseas and you can buy new one.
I'm not talking about it here, but my wife is pregnant and sick, so I gave up buying it for my livelihood.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 06, 2019, 06:42:04 AM »
Also, I will buy 'micrometer' soon and measure again.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 06, 2019, 06:37:21 AM »
Thank you for your reply!
After you told me about Hollingworth, I searched forums.
Many people often compare it to normal bicycle deck.
It's hard to say because the quality and thickness of normal bicycle deck are different depending on the year of manufacture. X- <
If you have the chance, I would like you to measure the thickness of 52 sheets: -)
After you told me about Hollingworth, I searched forums.
Many people often compare it to normal bicycle deck.
It's hard to say because the quality and thickness of normal bicycle deck are different depending on the year of manufacture. X- <
If you have the chance, I would like you to measure the thickness of 52 sheets: -)
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 05, 2019, 03:47:44 AM »
I don't own Hollingwords playing cards so I would like someone to measure the thickness of 52 pieces.
Deck was not distributed in Japan.
Deck was not distributed in Japan.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: September 04, 2019, 05:05:40 AM »
Thanks for the information.
I knew that Hollingwords playing cards existed, but I didn't know the details.
I knew that Hollingwords playing cards existed, but I didn't know the details.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 30, 2019, 09:24:44 AM »
thickness survey
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 30, 2019, 09:23:31 AM »
thickness survey
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 30, 2019, 09:21:16 AM »
These thin decks were widely distributed from about 1983 to 2000. A Japanese collector has hypothesized that one of the possibilities would be 'Was the stock owned by ARRCO used?' but it is not realistic for ARRCO to have had 'pulp stock' to produce for nearly 20 years.
In any case, I heard from many Japanese old collectors and gained knowledge, but no one has all the USPCC playing cards sold from the 1800s to this year. Finding the thinnest USPCC deck requires the cooperation of cardistry, magicians and collectors around the world.
For example, decks produced in 'International Playing Card Company' were used in many promotional decks, such as orders from universities, companies, and individuals. Many of them were smooth finish and even without embossing, but they were thin, so I remember the quality was high.
Some of these small lot production decks may no longer exist because they are now gone.
Mr. Don Boyer, what kind of deck is the thinnest one you've ever seen?
As long as it is a general commercial product other than a magic special order product, it is OK if it is not made by USPCC.
In any case, I heard from many Japanese old collectors and gained knowledge, but no one has all the USPCC playing cards sold from the 1800s to this year. Finding the thinnest USPCC deck requires the cooperation of cardistry, magicians and collectors around the world.
For example, decks produced in 'International Playing Card Company' were used in many promotional decks, such as orders from universities, companies, and individuals. Many of them were smooth finish and even without embossing, but they were thin, so I remember the quality was high.
Some of these small lot production decks may no longer exist because they are now gone.
Mr. Don Boyer, what kind of deck is the thinnest one you've ever seen?
As long as it is a general commercial product other than a magic special order product, it is OK if it is not made by USPCC.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 27, 2019, 10:39:47 PM »
You are right.
As long as it is mass-produced by machines, it is impossible to make exactly the same thing, so I understand the difference between lots and individual variations.
The data I have looked at shows that I have some obviously thin playing cards open to give an average for my deck.
Does it mean that USPCC can specify an approximate 'Thickness' within the threshold when placing an order?
As long as it is mass-produced by machines, it is impossible to make exactly the same thing, so I understand the difference between lots and individual variations.
The data I have looked at shows that I have some obviously thin playing cards open to give an average for my deck.
Does it mean that USPCC can specify an approximate 'Thickness' within the threshold when placing an order?
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 27, 2019, 02:18:20 AM »
Most of the top decks in this data are USPCC 'ARRCO' brand decks.
It feels like the same stock.
The reason that US marine corps playing cards are the thinnest is probably because they are not plastic coated.
The finish is beautiful, but I felt there was no finish compared to the VERGNIA SLIMS playing cards.
It feels like the same stock.
The reason that US marine corps playing cards are the thinnest is probably because they are not plastic coated.
The finish is beautiful, but I felt there was no finish compared to the VERGNIA SLIMS playing cards.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 27, 2019, 02:10:05 AM »
I hear that “ARRCO tahoe” is particularly thin among the information I have heard so far.
I think many ARRCO brand decks are very thin.
The following is the data I researched and compiled.
US Marine corps ：12.50～13.20mm
VIRGINIASLIMS ：12.85～13.00mm
Showboat Casino ：12.95～13.10mm
MARLBORO TEXAN 45 ：13.15mm
old STUD(※) ：13.45mm
absolut(※) ：13.45mm
GENOVESE ：mm
CLUBCASINO ：13.50mm
elm deck(※) ：13.75mm
supreme line (blue) ：13.95mm
fire stone (1972) ：13.95～14.00mm
my turn HOTELCASINO ：13.95～14.00mm
cardistry-con2019 ：14.00mm
skoal bandit ：14.00mm
fontaine carrot v3 ：14.00～14.05mm
gemini casino (緑) ：14.00～14.05mm
Ace Fulton’s pink ：14.15mm
smoke ANYONE ：14.15mm
Elite edition ：14.15mm
ARRCOstreamline(1960)：14.20mm
GoldenNugget(1974) ：14.30mm
blue ribbon(kickstarter) ：14.50mm
Gold standard ：14.90mm
bicycle ：14.90～15.20mm
※＝reference value
I think many ARRCO brand decks are very thin.
The following is the data I researched and compiled.
US Marine corps ：12.50～13.20mm
VIRGINIASLIMS ：12.85～13.00mm
Showboat Casino ：12.95～13.10mm
MARLBORO TEXAN 45 ：13.15mm
old STUD(※) ：13.45mm
absolut(※) ：13.45mm
GENOVESE ：mm
CLUBCASINO ：13.50mm
elm deck(※) ：13.75mm
supreme line (blue) ：13.95mm
fire stone (1972) ：13.95～14.00mm
my turn HOTELCASINO ：13.95～14.00mm
cardistry-con2019 ：14.00mm
skoal bandit ：14.00mm
fontaine carrot v3 ：14.00～14.05mm
gemini casino (緑) ：14.00～14.05mm
Ace Fulton’s pink ：14.15mm
smoke ANYONE ：14.15mm
Elite edition ：14.15mm
ARRCOstreamline(1960)：14.20mm
GoldenNugget(1974) ：14.30mm
blue ribbon(kickstarter) ：14.50mm
Gold standard ：14.90mm
bicycle ：14.90～15.20mm
※＝reference value
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 27, 2019, 01:26:45 AM »
First of all, looking back at the history of playing cards made by USPCC, I think they started using very thin paper stock around 83. The general perception is that many magicians feel that the bike at the 84 Los Angeles Olympics has become much thinner.
My guess is that the move to acquire ARRCO probably started around that time and the number of thin stock deck has increased.
My guess is that the move to acquire ARRCO probably started around that time and the number of thin stock deck has increased.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 26, 2019, 07:12:14 PM »
I measured 52 sheets,
My turn HOTEL CASINO playing cards, which was the thinnest, were 13.95 mm.
The thickness of the US Marine Corps playing cards is only about 12.7 mm, although it varies from deck to deck.
Also, from the content of the advertisement card, I think there is a high possibility that it is 'government supplied goods' but since there is no information overseas, I would like to know what kind of deck it is.
I'm going to work now, so I'll prepare pictures after work.
My turn HOTEL CASINO playing cards, which was the thinnest, were 13.95 mm.
The thickness of the US Marine Corps playing cards is only about 12.7 mm, although it varies from deck to deck.
Also, from the content of the advertisement card, I think there is a high possibility that it is 'government supplied goods' but since there is no information overseas, I would like to know what kind of deck it is.
I'm going to work now, so I'll prepare pictures after work.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 26, 2019, 06:50:38 PM »
correction
bicycle supreme line playing cards
bicycle supreme line playing cards
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 26, 2019, 06:33:19 PM »
correction
I have checked the crushed stock to some extent.
Until 2019, the decks for the 『cardistry 』 were thin.
I have checked the crushed stock to some extent.
Until 2019, the decks for the 『cardistry 』 were thin.
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Playing Card Plethora / Re: About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 26, 2019, 06:30:45 PM »
Thank you for your reply!
I have checked the crushed stock to some extent.
Until 2019, the decks for the cardiology were thin.
In particular, the decks towards cardistry-con 2019 were very thin and those using D & D's own crushed stock were thin.
My turn HOTEL CASINO playing cards
Ace Fulton's pink edition playing cards
cardistry-con 2019 (green) playing cards
ANYONE/D & D MIRROR playing cards
Fontaine Carrots V3 playing cards
bicycle suite line playing cards
Gemini Casino Emerald Green playing cards
These are very high quality and my recommendation: -)
But that's still a general level of discussion.
I have checked the crushed stock to some extent.
Until 2019, the decks for the cardiology were thin.
In particular, the decks towards cardistry-con 2019 were very thin and those using D & D's own crushed stock were thin.
My turn HOTEL CASINO playing cards
Ace Fulton's pink edition playing cards
cardistry-con 2019 (green) playing cards
ANYONE/D & D MIRROR playing cards
Fontaine Carrots V3 playing cards
bicycle suite line playing cards
Gemini Casino Emerald Green playing cards
These are very high quality and my recommendation: -)
But that's still a general level of discussion.
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Playing Card Plethora / About the thinnest deck made by USPC
« on: August 19, 2019, 09:11:26 AM »
hi!
Nice to meet you, I am a collector in Japan.
What is the thinnest deck you know from USPC?
I am studying the thinnest deck in USPC.
The thinnest deck I know is 'US marine corps playing cards'.
There are many playing cards that I don't know yet. It is very difficult by individual power.
If you know more about this playing cards, please let me know.
Nice to meet you, I am a collector in Japan.
What is the thinnest deck you know from USPC?
I am studying the thinnest deck in USPC.
The thinnest deck I know is 'US marine corps playing cards'.
There are many playing cards that I don't know yet. It is very difficult by individual power.
If you know more about this playing cards, please let me know.