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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Siegismyname on January 25, 2015, 01:27:21 AM
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New playing cards that might hit the market soon. All that is known is the name and some pictures of it in action. Created by @kafoosh from IG.
http://instagram.com/kafoosh
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They bear a striking resemblance to the Virtuoso decks...
http://home.thevirts.com/
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They bear a striking resemblance to the Virtuoso decks...
http://home.thevirts.com/
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As soon as I looked at this I thought, Hey they are doing a new Virts deck, then scrolled down to see your comment Don. Wonder if this will make it popular or hated.... I have handfuls of virts summer that I just "picked up along the way" always seemed to be given away in one thing or another so I never had to "try and collect" them.
I just have them sitting here and I guess I can trade them off for things I am missing when they continue to become rarer I suppose. They are just not my style, I would use Monarchs every day over these, just personal preference of course, they can be stunning for cardistry, which I have only looked into sparingly, as it interests me but I have not the time to devote to it currently. But they are not as pretty for sleights imo.
Id be concerned that virts has this kind of thing covered and loyal fans, this might get lost in behind that...
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Similar to Virtuoso's, I agree. Kind of like the way the transforming robots brands were similar. I like this card back, I think it looks good. I'm interested in seeing more for sure. Wonder if there will be another color set, this one is a little muted for my taste with this kind of card back. I like them to pop a little more.
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Turn 'em sideways and they look like a TIE Fighter seen from the side! "I have you now!"
Agreed that the colors used on the back aren't bringing anything to the table here. I'm starting to wonder about the faces...
Hey, in that last photo, was I the only one who noticed there's a finger sticking out of a TABLE? Whoops...
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Hey, in that last photo, was I the only one who noticed there's a finger sticking out of a TABLE? Whoops...
Haha, you can see a forearm at the very top of the photo. It's not easy to see but it's there. ;)
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I saw the arm first. Then noticed the finger. :o
I have no problem with cards or anything being similar. Whether as an homage, accident, or inspiration from anothers work (especially if noted).
But at first glance I actually thought these were a new Virts. To me if its that close your taking a big risk of being considered the "poor mans version" or worse, a copycat.
Not that there is anything wrong with these and they will most likely have their fans and uses. But it will be interesting to see more.
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Hold that
"Singapore Cardistry and The New Deck Order present:
A-Z of Cardistry."
So there is a very real chance this might not be virts but they could very likely have close ties to the guys from Virtuoso.
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HD, I think you summed up my point very nicely when you said "But at first glance I actually thought these were a new Virts."
Imagine if you're one of the people in the Virts. Someone's created a deck that's so similar to your own, people will think it's your own - and you won't receive a penny of it. Worse, when your next deck comes out, some of those who bought the look-a-like won't have the money, having already bought a "Virts" deck.
Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery - but if you're a creator, it's also a means by which to swipe money out of the market that ordinarily would have gone to you.
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Hey, in that last photo, was I the only one who noticed there's a finger sticking out of a TABLE? Whoops...
Haha, you can see a forearm at the very top of the photo. It's not easy to see but it's there. ;)
Haha I was thinking the same thing as Don until I saw your post Fes! Scary floating thumb! =P
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More pictures of the isometric deck from my friend Kenneth Foo. The first official trailer for these cards are also on his channel. Go show my friend some love. :)
Trailer link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UykLmWO4wBk
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I believe these will be funding on Indiegogo. I'll pass simply for that reason.
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I believe these will be funding on Indiegogo. I'll pass simply for that reason.
May I know why? Even if its fixed funding?
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I believe these will be funding on Indiegogo. I'll pass simply for that reason.
May I know why? Even if its fixed funding?
IndieGoGo leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths, mine included. Flex funding aside, they can be a real pain in the ass to deal with because of their nasty habit of charging for pledges up front. I remember pledging for a deck project on IGG that the creator canceled. I tried to cancel my pledge and was told by IGG that refunds wouldn't be issued until the funding period ended - technically, they don't allow for a project's cancellation, forcing you to wait for the project to expire to receive refunds. I made a stink about it and they refunded me - but I'm never going to back cards (or anything) on IGG again.
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I believe these will be funding on Indiegogo. I'll pass simply for that reason.
May I know why? Even if its fixed funding?
IndieGoGo leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths, mine included. Flex funding aside, they can be a real pain in the ass to deal with because of their nasty habit of charging for pledges up front. I remember pledging for a deck project on IGG that the creator canceled. I tried to cancel my pledge and was told by IGG that refunds wouldn't be issued until the funding period ended - technically, they don't allow for a project's cancellation, forcing you to wait for the project to expire to receive refunds. I made a stink about it and they refunded me - but I'm never going to back cards (or anything) on IGG again.
That sucks Don, and I feel you. But I guess this is the only other decent alternative for us, who live in the opposite end of the globe with no US address, to crowdfund a project. Unless you guys have some other idea.
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I believe these will be funding on Indiegogo. I'll pass simply for that reason.
May I know why? Even if its fixed funding?
IndieGoGo leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths, mine included. Flex funding aside, they can be a real pain in the ass to deal with because of their nasty habit of charging for pledges up front. I remember pledging for a deck project on IGG that the creator canceled. I tried to cancel my pledge and was told by IGG that refunds wouldn't be issued until the funding period ended - technically, they don't allow for a project's cancellation, forcing you to wait for the project to expire to receive refunds. I made a stink about it and they refunded me - but I'm never going to back cards (or anything) on IGG again.
That sucks Don, and I feel you. But I guess this is the only other decent alternative for us, who live in the opposite end of the globe with no US address, to crowdfund a project. Unless you guys have some other idea.
It's only a matter of time before KS reaches you. It wasn't long ago that they only dealt in US dollars.
If the design is desirable enough, you might be able to find a buyer for it, who would then front the cash (or kickstart it themselves) to have it made. I've seen this happen - it was HOPC's raison d'être until KS came along.
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I won't participate in IGG either. Unfortunately I'll also pass for that reason. :(
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The side-view Tie Fighter cards are funding on IndieGoGo now:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/isometric-playing-cards
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The side-view Tie Fighter cards are funding on IndieGoGo now:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/isometric-playing-cards
Actually, the Sienar Fleet Systems Twin-Ion Engine (TIE) Starfighter (specifically, the base-model TIE/LN, the most common model in the Imperial Fleet) doesn't have perfectly hexagonal wings - they're taller than they are wide... A little like the dimensions of a playing card, actually... :))
Every time I see this design, I think "Virtuoso deck did this already..."
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Agreed, very similar to the Virtuoso decks. I somewhat prefer the design of the Virts decks, and the Virts decks have the advantage of being "the originals",. rather than "the knockoffs".
However, knockoffs or not, these Isometric decks are fine. Moreover, if you would like to have this type of deck for XCM, the "Isometric" deck is much more likely to be available than the Virts decks. At $11 per deck, plus not-so-reasonable shipping, they seem a little pricey for what they are, but still a lot cheaper than Virts, which those pesky collectors/hoarders/speculators have made expensive and difficult to obtain.
The "Isometric" decks show that there is really nothing stopping anyone from producing decks designed for XCM, with more-or-less standard faces and simple minimalist or geometric backs. Despite the Virts' nonsense about "Adaptive Aesthetics", designing decks like this obviously isn't hard. Of course, other decks, such as the Fat Boy Eats All Day deck, the Fontaine deck, and the plethora of minimalist "casino-style" decks already showed this.
There is no reason, other than print run sizes, why decks like this shouldn't be cheap and available -- cheaper, in fact, than the price the Isometric deck producer wants for them. I don't know why they would be of interest to collectors, though, unless you are a collector on a mission to collect every deck made anywhere in the world by anyone.
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Agreed, very similar to the Virtuoso decks. I somewhat prefer the design of the Virts decks, and the Virts decks have the advantage of being "the originals",. rather than "the knockoffs".
However, knockoffs or not, these Isometric decks are fine. Moreover, if you would like to have this type of deck for XCM, the "Isometric" deck is much more likely to be available than the Virts decks. At $11 per deck, plus not-so-reasonable shipping, they seem a little pricey for what they are, but still a lot cheaper than Virts, which those pesky collectors/hoarders/speculators have made expensive and difficult to obtain.
The "Isometric" decks show that there is really nothing stopping anyone from producing decks designed for XCM, with more-or-less standard faces and simple minimalist or geometric backs. Despite the Virts' nonsense about "Adaptive Aesthetics", designing decks like this obviously isn't hard. Of course, other decks, such as the Fat Boy Eats All Day deck, the Fontaine deck, and the plethora of minimalist "casino-style" decks already showed this.
There is no reason, other than print run sizes, why decks like this shouldn't be cheap and available -- cheaper, in fact, than the price the Isometric deck producer wants for them. I don't know why they would be of interest to collectors, though, unless you are a collector on a mission to collect every deck made anywhere in the world by anyone.
There are other decks also well-suited (if not better-suited) to cardistry - and I'm not counting special "fanning" decks, nor the Bicycle Rainbow or Tetra decks. Handlordz.net/De'vo have been designing "XCM decks" with design features well-suited to cardistry - some are even devoid of standard faces, though they still bear indices, making them playable. On the extreme end of the scale, there's a deck that was on Kickstarter briefly that was devoid of suits and ranks altogether, meant solely for cardistry - interest in that deck was extremely low and I believe the creator canceled it before it reached its inevitable end without hitting the goal.
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I am not sure about versions 1 or 2 of the Virts as I was not collecting then and have not been able to pick one of them up yet (mainly due to price), but at least version 3 has non-standard courts. This deck on the other hand has nothing special in my eyes to justify its price
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I am not sure about versions 1 or 2 of the Virts as I was not collecting then and have not been able to pick one of them up yet (mainly due to price), but at least version 3 has non-standard courts. This deck on the other hand has nothing special in my eyes to justify its price
All three versions of the Virtuoso deck had the same unique courts. The only difference, to my knowledge, was the colors of the card back.