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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: bfplayingcards on October 31, 2014, 05:08:25 AM
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardlauncher/nouveau-bicycle-playing-cards
INDIEGOGO FIXED FUNDING (IF WE FAIL TO FUND THE PROJECT, INDIEGOGO WILL RETURN ALL THE PLEDGED MONEY TO OUR BACKERS)
NOUVEAU Bicycle is a limited edition Art Nouveau inspired deck. The court cards represent the historical and mythological heroes and heroines traditionally featured in the original French decks since the 16th century.
It's a standard Bicycle branded deck printed by USPCC and it consists of 56 cards including a full 52 card deck, plus 2 Jokers, 1 double backer card and one Ad card. It comes with a limited edition seal.
PERKS
$15 for 1 (+ $4 for international shipping)
$26 for 2 (+ $6 for international shipping)
$85 for 2 decks + 1 wooden handmade box (+ $22 for international shipping)
$60 for 3 decks + 1 uncut sheet (+ $18 for international shipping)
$50 for 4 (+ $10 for international shipping)
$100 for 4 decks + 1 wooden handmade box (+ $26 for international shipping)
$210 for 6 decks + 1 uncut sheet + 1 wooden handmade box + 1 art print + 1 ace t-shirt (+ $66 for international shipping)
$230 for 6 decks + 1 uncut sheet + 1 wooden handmade box + 1 art print + 1 ace hoodie (+ $68 for international shipping)
$130 for 12 decks (+ $25 for international shipping)
$200 for 24 decks (+ $35 for international shipping)
SPECIAL LIMITED PERKS
$26 for 3 decks (+ $8 for international shipping)
$50 for 6 decks (+ $20 for international shipping)
ADMIN NOTE: 2nd try at funding on KS has begun!
Read http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=7386.msg113004#msg113004 for more information.
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I appreciate any kind of feedback on our deck! Thank you :)
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That logo on the bottom flap looks an awful lot like Ellusionist's logo. Just a headsup as you probably don't want that printed.
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Welcome bfplayingcards
Beautiful deck! The back of the card does not flow too well though. Excuse the rough sketch over it but I think if the patterned followed this design it would look better. Well done!
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I like this design a lot. It's very much an Art Nouveau design and a lovely one at that.
I have a question, though. The photos presented in the KS project list what appears to be two different decks. The Aces are shown with a cream color background with full color courts, but the other suits below it look like they're printed on white and with black-and-white courts. Are the black-and-white cards preliminary designs? If not, which will the deck look like?
That logo on the bottom flap looks an awful lot like Ellusionist's logo. Just a headsup as you probably don't want that printed.
Yeah, there's no way USPC Legal would let that fly. Gotta own or have rights to any IP you use and that really looks like the "Ellusionist Playing Card Co." logo.
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That logo on the bottom flap looks an awful lot like Ellusionist's logo. Just a headsup as you probably don't want that printed.
You're right, I didn't even pay attention to that until you mentioned it. As we were going to print in Spain at first, I already got in touch with the art and legal teams and they approved of the design, though they probably missed that and I haven't noticed it either. I'm going to change that, thanks for the remark :)
I like this design a lot. It's very much an Art Nouveau design and a lovely one at that.
I have a question, though. The photos presented in the KS project list what appears to be two different decks. The Aces are shown with a cream color background with full color courts, but the other suits below it look like they're printed on white and with black-and-white courts. Are the black-and-white cards preliminary designs? If not, which will the deck look like?
Thank you Don Boyer :) Yeah the black-and-white cards are a preliminary design. One joker and Spades are the only definitive designs. I'm working on the other suits and will post the finished cards as soon as I'm done :)
Welcome bfplayingcards
Beautiful deck! The back of the card does not flow too well though. Excuse the rough sketch over it but I think if the patterned followed this design it would look better. Well done!
Thank you for your feedback Rose :)
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Interesting design and cultural/historical background.
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On a second look, I'd like to make a small recommendation: push the indices deeper into the corners. The further from the corner an index is, the wider a player will have to spread the cards in his or her hand. A wider spread means you can hold fewer cards and there's a greater risk of flashing a card to an opposing player. If you look at "standard issue", common decks like the Bicycle Standard or the Bee deck (or Fournier's 505 and 605 decks), you'll see they try to go very deep into the index corners.
Wouldn't it be cool if you could cost-effectively print with Fournier... They're actually a subsidiary of USPC for a few decades now. They do some impressive work with cards and they've printed decks under the Bicycle name before, most notably the Bicycle Prestige all-plastic decks.
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I really enjoy how the back the circles seem to interlock. Almost like an optical illusion.
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Interesting design and cultural/historical background.
I really enjoy how the back the circles seem to interlock. Almost like an optical illusion.
Thank you Collector and John B.! :)
On a second look, I'd like to make a small recommendation: push the indices deeper into the corners. The further from the corner an index is, the wider a player will have to spread the cards in his or her hand. A wider spread means you can hold fewer cards and there's a greater risk of flashing a card to an opposing player. If you look at "standard issue", common decks like the Bicycle Standard or the Bee deck (or Fournier's 505 and 605 decks), you'll see they try to go very deep into the index corners.
Wouldn't it be cool if you could cost-effectively print with Fournier... They're actually a subsidiary of USPC for a few decades now. They do some impressive work with cards and they've printed decks under the Bicycle name before, most notably the Bicycle Prestige all-plastic decks.
I'll change that and post an update for your feedback, thank you :) Yeah, we've been in touch with Fournier, the only con is they asked for a huge minimum for production
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I'll change that and post an update for your feedback, thank you :) Yeah, we've been in touch with Fournier, the only con is they asked for a huge minimum for production
I'm sorry to hear that - it's unfortunate.
If pricing becomes an issue and you're willing to make the deck without the Bicycle brand name, there are some top-notch printers with a presence on this board - specifically, the Expert Playing Card Company and the Legends Playing Card Company. They can usually beat any price USPC offers feature-for-feature and are more flexible if you want something special for your deck, like foil, embossing and other shiny bits and bobs! They'll also print smaller runs, down to as little as 1,000. USPC bottoms out at 2,500.
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I really enjoy how the back the circles seem to interlock. Almost like an optical illusion.
The only thing i don't like about it is how it seemingly cuts off in the middle, with the line at the portion the interlock. I thought it would be much nicer if they followed it through all the way.
@ bfplayingcards
I really hope you will make some improvements and try kickstarter if things do not go well at indiegogo. I do believe this deck will be more well received there mainly because of the "traffic" for playing cards KS has as compared to indiegogo
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@ bfplayingcards
I really hope you will make some improvements and try kickstarter if things do not go well at indiegogo. I do believe this deck will be more well received there mainly because of the "traffic" for playing cards KS has as compared to indiegogo
That's the thing, PurpleIce - being based in Spain, they can't create a Kickstarter project without teaming up with someone in a country that Kickstarter does work with.
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Love the courts of this deck. Too bad they need to go on Indiegogo, I had the same problem for my decks :(
Hope they can find a way, this deserve to be funded!
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I really enjoy how the back the circles seem to interlock. Almost like an optical illusion.
The only thing i don't like about it is how it seemingly cuts off in the middle, with the line at the portion the interlock. I thought it would be much nicer if they followed it through all the way.
@ bfplayingcards
I really hope you will make some improvements and try kickstarter if things do not go well at indiegogo. I do believe this deck will be more well received there mainly because of the "traffic" for playing cards KS has as compared to indiegogo
Rose commented on the interlock as well, I'll try to do something about it without changing the whole design and will post it for feedback :)
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@ bfplayingcards
I really hope you will make some improvements and try kickstarter if things do not go well at indiegogo. I do believe this deck will be more well received there mainly because of the "traffic" for playing cards KS has as compared to indiegogo
That's the thing, PurpleIce - being based in Spain, they can't create a Kickstarter project without teaming up with someone in a country that Kickstarter does work with.
That's right, we won't have another choice though if the project isn't funded on Indiegogo...
Love the courts of this deck. Too bad they need to go on Indiegogo, I had the same problem for my decks :(
Hope they can find a way, this deserve to be funded!
Thank you, I really appreciate that you like the design :) We'll try to do our best to back it on Indiegogo; it's proving to be an odyssey but there's still time left and we could have a stroke of luck at some point, hopefully :)
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bfplayingcards - Your indices can move a bit closer toward the cut border. You want as many cards in your hand as possible. Your pips in your pip cards can spread out a bit more on the card. A bit to much negative space. Your court cards need a suit indicator in your custom courts. The small pip in the indices doesn't cut it at a distance. You could contact Kings Wild Project, Albino Dragon, Gamblers Warehouse, or Collectable Playing Cards and see they can sponsor you in the USA. I'm sure one of these guys wouldn't mind expanding their services. Another plus is they can also do fulfillment for the USA. Not saying Indiegogo isn't bad, but Kickstarter gives you a lot more exposer for success.
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The fronts are beautiful and really deliver that art nouveau look and feel. But to me, the backs are completely disconnected from the organic and flowing style of art nouveau. True, they're intricate. But the look is all perfect circles and geometrics--almost the antithesis of art nouveau. For me, that's a showstopper.
P.S. Agree completely that the indices need to be closer to the edge--where they are now makes a bridge hand almost impossible to hold. I don't mind the plus-sized white space on the number cards--I love a pip layout that's a bit unusual, while staying legible. Like others, I do mind the lack of a large suit indicator on the court cards. You need to be able to tell at a glance what card is being played--and in many games the suit counts.
All of those are easily fixable ... but the backs ... oh man.
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Russ, I'll look at this a piece at a time. Everyone, bear in mind I'm giving my opinions - it's not word of law or anything like it. (And no, I'm not picking on you - we actually agree on a few points.)
bfplayingcards - Your indices can move a bit closer toward the cut border. You want as many cards in your hand as possible.
Gee, that sounds familiar... Yeah, I mentioned that, and BF was already working on it - you can see some of the photos on the campaign page have indices closer to the corner.
Your pips in your pip cards can spread out a bit more on the card. A bit to much negative space.
To me, they're just fine. One of my favorite decks, Moth/Myth, had similar spacing - it looks so darn cute!
Your court cards need a suit indicator in your custom courts.
To me, that's optional, but I'll grant that if your art doesn't really fill the card's printable area, perhaps suit pips next to the court heads would look nicer. I'd have to see it that way to be certain.
The small pip in the indices doesn't cut it at a distance.
I would disagree. I held my computer at arm's length and looked at the mockups of the cards. I wear glasses but had no trouble. It would be different if the cards were on the far side of a poker table, but it would be no more different than any other standard index deck. If anything, size-wise they're a bit LARGER than normal - standard decks have a pip that's half the height of the value in the index, and these pips are nearly the same height. They're a bit narrow, perhaps, but it complements the art style and the design very nicely.
You could contact Kings Wild Project, Albino Dragon, Gamblers Warehouse, or Collectable Playing Cards and see they can sponsor you in the USA. I'm sure one of these guys wouldn't mind expanding their services. Another plus is they can also do fulfillment for the USA. Not saying Indiegogo isn't bad, but Kickstarter gives you a lot more exposer for success.
This is a good idea, though it would mean reducing the overall profits. It's an added expense to the project.
I have seen cases where an artist simply sells the design to another party, who goes on to produce the design and pays the artist a flat fee (a sizable one, if they're skilled artists/designers). You might or might not earn as much running your own KS project and you leave all the headaches involved with producing a deck in someone else's lap while you go and start the next project idea.
The fronts are beautiful and really deliver that art nouveau look and feel. But to me, the backs are completely disconnected from the organic and flowing style of art nouveau. True, they're intricate. But the look is all perfect circles and geometrics--almost the antithesis of art nouveau. For me, that's a showstopper.
P.S. Agree completely that the indices need to be closer to the edge--where they are now makes a bridge hand almost impossible to hold. I don't mind the plus-sized white space on the number cards--I love a pip layout that's a bit unusual, while staying legible. Like others, I do mind the lack of a large suit indicator on the court cards. You need to be able to tell at a glance what card is being played--and in many games the suit counts.
All of those are easily fixable ... but the backs ... oh man.
I wouldn't say the backs are hideous - but in the same breath I'd also have to admit that I've seen better and it doesn't connect as well with the art on the faces.
BF, I would recommend you check out this booklet (http://www.cypressfilms.com/bicycle/Robinson/robinson.html), affectionately known as "Mrs. Robinson's". This is the book describing the first 81 Bicycle back designs, and the table of contents gives the date in which the back was first issued. As the Bicycle brand has been around since 1885, you'll certainly find backs that are contemporary of the Art Nouveau era - perhaps something will resonate with you and give you ideas for a different design for your deck.
Most relevant for you might be the Cupid Back - number 21. The design has two interlocking wheels similar to your interlocking circles, but without the sudden termination of the circle "mid-lock". It could provide a little inspiration on how to modify your back design in a way that will really capture Art Nouveau. I'm no artist, but one thing I note of Art Nouveau decks is that there's some complexity and some simplicity in each design, giving it a feeling that's decorative but not overly intricate. You may have leaned a bit too far into the intricate side of things.
Also, as I look at a close-up of the back, two things stand out. First, the level of detail is so high, some of it might be lost when the deck goes to press, especially if you're doing the design in brown and dark yellow or brown and metallic gold - metallic gold ink is darker than most people realize. Second is that the circlular pattern is segmented and doesn't flow smoothly at all from one circle's quadrant to the next - there are visible lines separating them, and in some cases the edges meet in a very disjointed manner. The top and bottom have two "half-hearts" meeting along the center line, but one half is vertically flipped relative to the other, making for a shape that more resembles a capsule than a heart.
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First, thank you all for your opinions :) :) Now, about the pips and indices:
bfplayingcards - Your indices can move a bit closer toward the cut border. You want as many cards in your hand as possible. Your pips in your pip cards can spread out a bit more on the card. A bit to much negative space. Your court cards need a suit indicator in your custom courts. The small pip in the indices doesn't cut it at a distance.
P.S. Agree completely that the indices need to be closer to the edge--where they are now makes a bridge hand almost impossible to hold.
You're right about it, I'll post an update for your feedback later this week :)
About IGG, KS and production:
You could contact Kings Wild Project, Albino Dragon, Gamblers Warehouse, or Collectable Playing Cards and see they can sponsor you in the USA. I'm sure one of these guys wouldn't mind expanding their services. Another plus is they can also do fulfillment for the USA. Not saying Indiegogo isn't bad, but Kickstarter gives you a lot more exposer for success.
This is a good idea, though it would mean reducing the overall profits. It's an added expense to the project.
I have seen cases where an artist simply sells the design to another party, who goes on to produce the design and pays the artist a flat fee (a sizable one, if they're skilled artists/designers). You might or might not earn as much running your own KS project and you leave all the headaches involved with producing a deck in someone else's lap while you go and start the next project idea.
As you said sprouts1115, KS gives you a lot more exposure for success because people are used to going there for checking out and backing new and custom decks but we wanted to try doing it on our own first so IGG was our only choice. We already launched the project so we can't give up till the last day but it's true that after some days we're very aware that it will be too hard to get it funded on IGG. Meanwhile we'll contact as many people/companies as possible and see what can we do about KS. The good thing about this is that we can have another chance if we fail once or even twice.
About the back:
The fronts are beautiful and really deliver that art nouveau look and feel. But to me, the backs are completely disconnected from the organic and flowing style of art nouveau. True, they're intricate. But the look is all perfect circles and geometrics--almost the antithesis of art nouveau. For me, that's a showstopper.
All of those are easily fixable ... but the backs ... oh man.
I wouldn't say the backs are hideous - but in the same breath I'd also have to admit that I've seen better and it doesn't connect as well with the art on the faces.
BF, I would recommend you check out this booklet (http://www.cypressfilms.com/bicycle/Robinson/robinson.html), affectionately known as "Mrs. Robinson's". This is the book describing the first 81 Bicycle back designs, and the table of contents gives the date in which the back was first issued. As the Bicycle brand has been around since 1885, you'll certainly find backs that are contemporary of the Art Nouveau era - perhaps something will resonate with you and give you ideas for a different design for your deck.
Most relevant for you might be the Cupid Back - number 21. The design has two interlocking wheels similar to your interlocking circles, but without the sudden termination of the circle "mid-lock". It could provide a little inspiration on how to modify your back design in a way that will really capture Art Nouveau. I'm no artist, but one thing I note of Art Nouveau decks is that there's some complexity and some simplicity in each design, giving it a feeling that's decorative but not overly intricate. You may have leaned a bit too far into the intricate side of things.
Also, as I look at a close-up of the back, two things stand out. First, the level of detail is so high, some of it might be lost when the deck goes to press, especially if you're doing the design in brown and dark yellow or brown and metallic gold - metallic gold ink is darker than most people realize. Second is that the circlular pattern is segmented and doesn't flow smoothly at all from one circle's quadrant to the next - there are visible lines separating them, and in some cases the edges meet in a very disjointed manner. The top and bottom have two "half-hearts" meeting along the center line, but one half is vertically flipped relative to the other, making for a shape that more resembles a capsule than a heart.
Thank you for your detailed opinion :) I really appreciate it because it's constructive criticism and it helps me improve the design. It would be a shame to waste so much work over the wrong back. I'll start working on it asap and update you all with the changes for your feedback :)
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I'm glad I could be of help. Best of luck with your research!
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I've made some changes, let me know your opinions on this :)
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My opinions:
I liked the smaller "pip field" on the spot cards from the "before" image.
I noticed the "halo effect" around the courts and pips - this looks nice. But there's some discoloring at the card edges as well. It looks like an aging effect of some kind - which I think your deck doesn't need. A smooth, light color without any aging effects looks nicer. There have been a lot of decks using the "aged look", regardless of whether or not it fits the design. For your deck, I prefer seeing the images on "paper" that looks brand new and not aged. Without the aging, it looks like a deck I could have purchased in the Art Nouveau age, were I alive then.
I liken it to how, in many Westerns, all the buildings look a hundred years old. The story, however, would have been set not long after these buildings were constructed. People see "Old West town," they automatically assume it's supposed to look all old and worn like an Old West town looks today, but to the people alive in the era of the Old West, many of the buildings would have been practically new.
I find that while many decks are well-suited to having an aged, worn look, it's not best for all designs. In your deck, I feel it takes focus away from the gorgeous art.
The new pip you placed on the courts would look much less crowded in the other corner than in the index corner.
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The new pip you placed on the courts would look much less crowded in the other corner than in the index corner.
Have to agree. It would like better on the right side. In modern playing cards, the suit indicator for the courts can be practically anywhere....
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I got some interesting news in my email a little while ago, directly from Bona Fide Playing Cards:
Hello Don Boyer,
We're writing you because we wanted to thank you for your support and also to let you know that we're stopping promotions for this campaign on Indiegogo because we'll be re-launching it on Kickstarter this December. Please note that your pledge will be refunded to your account after the end of this campaign, on December 7th. We're sorry for any inconvenience; if you like NOUVEAU Bicycle playing cards and want to support us again once it's launched on Kickstarter, you'll have a free deck added to your pledge (shipping included) if we reach the goal. We'll keep our accounts updated and you can also contact us on bonafideplayingcards@gmail.com for more info :)
Thank you, sincerely,
Bona fide Playing Cards
The project was scheduled to close on December 6th, but it's now listed as canceled. Why on Earth would it take TWENTY-SIX DAYS to issue refunds? That could be a new record.
Yet another reason not to use IndieGoGo... It's almost as if they sought out all the possible ways to make crowdfunding go FUBAR and implemented every single one.
Let's hope those refunds arrive MUCH sooner.
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The project was scheduled to close on December 6th, but it's now listed as canceled. Why on Earth would it take TWENTY-SIX DAYS to issue refunds? That could be a new record.
Yet another reason not to use IndieGoGo... It's almost as if they sought out all the possible ways to make crowdfunding go FUBAR and implemented every single one.
Let's hope those refunds arrive MUCH sooner.
Though it's not our fault I must say I'm really sorry for all this :( we contacted them again, I'll let you know if there's something new...i honestly don't know why they charged you already because it's a fixed funding campaign and we don't get any money unless it's funded, so i don't understand this policy...anyways, I'll keep you updated
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Now that this will be launched on KS, I can participate. :D
Previously, I refused to pledge, due to... well indiegogo. I'd vowed to ever use that site again. It sucks that indiegogo, indiegogo'd you Don. :(
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Now that this will be launched on KS, I can participate. :D
Previously, I refused to pledge, due to... well indiegogo. I'd vowed to ever use that site again.
Kickstarter is SO much better. What happened to you Fes?
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Double charge shenanigans, incomplete refund due to exchange fee, etc. Once was enough for me. :mindf-ck:
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So... Kickstarter then?
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Now that this will be launched on KS, I can participate. :D
Previously, I refused to pledge, due to... well indiegogo. I'd vowed to ever use that site again. It sucks that indiegogo, indiegogo'd you Don. :(
Double charge shenanigans, incomplete refund due to exchange fee, etc. Once was enough for me. :mindf-ck:
Thank you for your support Fes :) And I'm sorry about that...IGG should review their policy if they want to be serious competition for KS
So... Kickstarter then?
That's right Justin O., we're going on Kickstarter with NOUVEAU Bicycle :)
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Though it's not our fault I must say I'm really sorry for all this :( we contacted them again, I'll let you know if there's something new...i honestly don't know why they charged you already because it's a fixed funding campaign and we don't get any money unless it's funded, so i don't understand this policy...anyways, I'll keep you updated
The reason is actually pretty simple. It's a financial concept called "float".
Let's pretend for a moment I bought you a gift card for US$50. You don't spend anything on it for a few months. Does the money just sit there? No, the money is taken by the retailer into a bank account - a really large account holding the cash value of all the cards issued - and they earn interest on that money while it sits there unused on your card. If you've ever carried a phone card or a public transit pass with a cash value attached to it, those earn their respective companies float as well. By collecting my cash and not returning it for weeks, IGG is earning float on my money.
I'm going to log in there and lodge a complaint, then I'm calling my bank in the morning to reverse the charge. It's just another nail in the coffin of IGG, in my opinion - I'll never back with them again.
EDIT: read this message I just sent them. I wonder if it will spark a fire under anyone's seat over there?
I've backed one project on your site. The money was charged to my debit card immediately, but the refund due to the project being canceled won't occur for almost four weeks, according to the message I received from the project creator - I'm being forced to wait until the scheduled end of the project.
This process is idiotic at best. There is no way on Earth I'm permitting the money to remain in someone else's account for that long and it should never have been charged against my account in the first place, not until the project was a done deal and successfully closed.
I'll be contacting my bank in the morning for an immediate reversal of the charge. You might consider a better means by which to make money other than using float, because that teeny bit of interest you earned cost you a potential backer. I will never back another IGG project again - been burned once, learned my lesson. I doubt that any of my forum's participants will be sticking around, either, after I've discussed this situation with them - all 10,000-plus of them...
Sincerely,
Don Boyer
Head Administrator and COO
PlayingCardForum.com
Affiliated with 52 Plus Joker, the North American Playing Card Collectors' Club
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I'm going to log in there and lodge a complaint, then I'm calling my bank in the morning to reverse the charge. It's just another nail in the coffin of IGG, in my opinion - I'll never back with them again.
EDIT: read this message I just sent them. I wonder if it will spark a fire under anyone's seat over there?
I've backed one project on your site. The money was charged to my debit card immediately, but the refund due to the project being canceled won't occur for almost four weeks, according to the message I received from the project creator - I'm being forced to wait until the scheduled end of the project.
This process is idiotic at best. There is no way on Earth I'm permitting the money to remain in someone else's account for that long and it should never have been charged against my account in the first place, not until the project was a done deal and successfully closed.
I'll be contacting my bank in the morning for an immediate reversal of the charge. You might consider a better means by which to make money other than using float, because that teeny bit of interest you earned cost you a potential backer. I will never back another IGG project again - been burned once, learned my lesson. I doubt that any of my forum's participants will be sticking around, either, after I've discussed this situation with them - all 10,000-plus of them...
Sincerely,
Don Boyer
Head Administrator and COO
PlayingCardForum.com
Affiliated with 52 Plus Joker, the North American Playing Card Collectors' Club
This is their reply to my request:
"Actualizado por: Rebecca, 11 nov. 14:45:
Hi there,
Thanks for reaching out. As I mentioned in Ticket #494322, this was a one-time exception we made for you. Because your campaign is Fixed Funding, I recommend you revise your campaign tagline, pitch text, and updates to tell people you are no longer raising money and explain to them the reasoning. If you don't meet your goal, which you shouldn't if you revise to explain you're no longer collecting funds, then your contributors will be automatically refunded once the time runs out on your campaign. This will happen automatically within 5 business days after your deadline, which is December 6th.
Finally, for more information on what you can and cannot edit after your campaign is live, please see our Help Center article: http://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/526546
Thanks for your understanding.
Cheers,
Rebecca
Customer Happiness
Indiegogo (www.indiegogo.com)"
Back in august, when we first launched this campaign, we asked for it to be canceled after some days in order to re-launch it in some time after major changes we had to make. We tried to find a reasonable way to get it on KS, meaning that we didn't want to go from the creators and owners of this deck to designers for a third party; we couldn't because many were busy at that point with other projects and others offered us conditions we didn't like. That's the reason we went back to IGG and that was a major mistake. Now we finally found someone who will help us start it on KS and all that's left is this IGG issue. I can see why they don't want to refund you before the deadline or why they charged you in the first place, your explanation is downright reasonable. Unfortunately, this is their reply...
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This Rebecca person works in a department called "Customer Happiness"?? Never have I seen such a whopper of an oxymoron in my entire life.
The Help Center article they provided to you via that link is gone. Just tried to access it and this is what the page said:
oops.
The page you were looking for doesn't exist
You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.
It's like the blind and deaf quadriplegic leading the blind and deaf quadriplegic. Even they don't know what the hell is going on. If anyone "mistyped" the address, it was Rebecca, Queen of Customer Happiness...
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This Rebecca person works in a department called "Customer Happiness"?? Never have I seen such a whopper of an oxymoron in my entire life.
The Help Center article they provided to you via that link is gone. Just tried to access it and this is what the page said:
oops.
The page you were looking for doesn't exist
You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.
It's like the blind and deaf quadriplegic leading the blind and deaf quadriplegic. Even they don't know what the hell is going on. If anyone "mistyped" the address, it was Rebecca, Queen of Customer Happiness...
Your observation is dead on. Their reply is a pretty ironic one. I wrote them again earlier
"Bona fide Playing Cards <bonafideplayingcards@gmail.com>
08:38 (1 hour ago)
to support
With this policy it's not only us who lose but also Indiegogo because many people refuse to back a project they like just because it's on your site. The link you sent doesn't open; we want to change, at least, the deadline to the nearest date possible."
I'm pretty sure their answer will be whether we know how to read because it states in their conditions that we can't change the deadline, but we lose nothing for trying
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All I know is they have my money and I'm getting nothing in return. I'll tell my bank and they'll yank it from their account tout de suite.
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Wow, IGG sounds like a nightmare. >:( Sounds like I have dodge an angry bullet.
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I was preparing to contact the bank this evening when I discovered these three emails in my in-box...
THE FIRST EMAIL - PAYPAL
Indiegogo.com just sent you a refund
Nov 12, 2014 16:54:35 EST
Transaction ID: {REDACTED}
Dear Donald Boyer,
Indiegogo.com just sent you a full refund of $26.00 USD for your purchase.
If you have any questions about this refund, please contact Indiegogo.com.
The refund will go to the card you paid with.
To see all the transaction details, please log into your PayPal account. It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account.
Merchant information
Indiegogo.com
support@indiegogo.com
http://www.indiegogo.com
866-641-4646
Note from merchant
None provided
Original transaction details
Description Unit price Qty Amount
Purchase from Indiegogo.com $26.00 USD
Total: $26.00 USD
Refund to Visa Debit Card XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-{REDACTED}: $26.00 USD
Invoice Number: {REDACTED}
Sincerely,
PayPal
THE SECOND EMAIL - JORDAN, PAYMENTS SUPERVISOR AT INDIEGOGO
Jordan, Nov 12 13:54:
Hi there,
Thanks for reaching out. Contributions made through Indiegogo are typically final and nonrefundable. Please see our Refund Policy here:
http://support.indiegogo.com/entries/21081743-refunds
Because a contribution is a transaction that takes place between the campaign owner and the contributor, we normally ask the contributor to reach out directly to the campaign owner if they're interested in receiving a refund. However, as a one-off I've issued a refund for your contribution.
I hope that helps, and please let us know if you need additional assistance with anything else!
Cheers,
Jordan
Payments Supervisor
Indiegogo (www.indiegogo.com)
THIRD EMAIL - FROM "THE INDIEGOGO TEAM"
Your Contribution Has Been Refunded
Hello boyerhome,
Your contribution to ‘NOUVEAU Bicycle Playing Cards: CANCELED’ has been refunded. You should see a full refund for your contribution within 3 - 5 business days. Here are the details of your original contribution:
Date of Contribution: Fri Oct 31
Contribution Amount: $26.00
Payment Method: PayPal
Perk: #2 SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER
Please reach out to Customer Happiness if you have any questions about your refund.
Sincerely,
The Indiegogo Team
It would seem that my letter was convincing.
Check out the link in the second email. Among other interesting things, they state that you have to seek refunds from the project creator (this despite the fact that the project creator won't get the funds) and that projects CAN'T be canceled.
In conclusion, NEVER, EVER back on IndieGoGo. Never create a project on IndieGoGo. In fact, have absolutely nothing to do with IndieGoGo. I'm heading there now to cancel my account.
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I was preparing to contact the bank this evening when I discovered these three emails in my in-box...
THE FIRST EMAIL - PAYPAL
Indiegogo.com just sent you a refund
Nov 12, 2014 16:54:35 EST
Transaction ID: {REDACTED}
Dear Donald Boyer,
Indiegogo.com just sent you a full refund of $26.00 USD for your purchase.
If you have any questions about this refund, please contact Indiegogo.com.
The refund will go to the card you paid with.
To see all the transaction details, please log into your PayPal account. It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account.
Merchant information
Indiegogo.com
support@indiegogo.com
http://www.indiegogo.com
866-641-4646
Note from merchant
None provided
Original transaction details
Description Unit price Qty Amount
Purchase from Indiegogo.com $26.00 USD
Total: $26.00 USD
Refund to Visa Debit Card XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-{REDACTED}: $26.00 USD
Invoice Number: {REDACTED}
Sincerely,
PayPal
THE SECOND EMAIL - JORDAN, PAYMENTS SUPERVISOR AT INDIEGOGO
Jordan, Nov 12 13:54:
Hi there,
Thanks for reaching out. Contributions made through Indiegogo are typically final and nonrefundable. Please see our Refund Policy here:
http://support.indiegogo.com/entries/21081743-refunds
Because a contribution is a transaction that takes place between the campaign owner and the contributor, we normally ask the contributor to reach out directly to the campaign owner if they're interested in receiving a refund. However, as a one-off I've issued a refund for your contribution.
I hope that helps, and please let us know if you need additional assistance with anything else!
Cheers,
Jordan
Payments Supervisor
Indiegogo (www.indiegogo.com)
THIRD EMAIL - FROM "THE INDIEGOGO TEAM"
Your Contribution Has Been Refunded
Hello boyerhome,
Your contribution to ‘NOUVEAU Bicycle Playing Cards: CANCELED’ has been refunded. You should see a full refund for your contribution within 3 - 5 business days. Here are the details of your original contribution:
Date of Contribution: Fri Oct 31
Contribution Amount: $26.00
Payment Method: PayPal
Perk: #2 SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER
Please reach out to Customer Happiness if you have any questions about your refund.
Sincerely,
The Indiegogo Team
It would seem that my letter was convincing.
Check out the link in the second email. Among other interesting things, they state that you have to seek refunds from the project creator (this despite the fact that the project creator won't get the funds) and that projects CAN'T be canceled.
In conclusion, NEVER, EVER back on IndieGoGo. Never create a project on IndieGoGo. In fact, have absolutely nothing to do with IndieGoGo. I'm heading there now to cancel my account.
It's funny how they keep saying to contact the campaign creators for the refund. This is what they sent us in reply to our last mail
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We'd like to cancel our current campaign on your site, because we'd like to apply some changes. Amount and duration are among those changes. As it'...
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Hi there,
Thanks for your reply, and your additional thoughts on this matter. I understand you've outlined that your contributors do not wish to back your project. Indiegogo posts the funding type of the campaign and contributors can easily learn what that means via tool tips and our help center. It is completely the contributors choice whether or not to fund a project.
That said, as was outlined to you in our correspondence in Ticket #494322, we had made a one-time only exception. We are unable to make any further such changes or exceptions to your campaign page. It will end on it's currently deadline of December 06, 2014 at 11:59pm PT. In the event that you do not meet your goal by that date and time, all your contributors will be refunded within 5 days of your campaign ending. If your contributors have questions about when they can expect their refund, you can outline that fact and direct them to this help center article: http://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/526876-Refunds
That said, we see that you have already done as suggested and have updated your campaign page to note the canceled status of your campaign page, and have posted a new update to the campaign page (https://admin.indiegogo.com/projects/nouveau-bicycle-playing-cards-canceled#activity).
We appreciate your understanding and which you luck with your project.
Best,
Amber
Customer Happiness Supervisor
Indiegogo (www.indiegogo.com)"
That said, you're right. No more IGG
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That said, you're right. No more IGG
With all the cockamamie policies they have in place, it's no wonder that they're a crowdfunding also-ran.
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Back on the subject of this wonderful deck and forthcoming KS campaign. :P Can we expect similar pledge tiers or will there be changes to those to suit the slightly different needs for success on KS? I'm making an attempt (I know it's futile holiday season is rough but I'm trying haha) at planning out the December hobby budget, so a little curious if you would share your thoughts there.
Secondly about the face cards, what are the odds of doing away with the discoloring around the outer edge and going with just the ivory color full bleed on the card faces? I like the aged color around the courts and pips, just feel like a clean edge on the face cards would make that pop a bit more and be very attractive. :)
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Back on the subject of this wonderful deck and forthcoming KS campaign. :P Can we expect similar pledge tiers or will there be changes to those to suit the slightly different needs for success on KS? I'm making an attempt (I know it's futile holiday season is rough but I'm trying haha) at planning out the December hobby budget, so a little curious if you would share your thoughts there.
Secondly about the face cards, what are the odds of doing away with the discoloring around the outer edge and going with just the ivory color full bleed on the card faces? I like the aged color around the courts and pips, just feel like a clean edge on the face cards would make that pop a bit more and be very attractive. :)
hahah ;D we'll review the perks again Fes but there will hardly be any major changes, though I can say now that we'll add a couple of limited perks at a lower price (aside from the ones we already had) :)
About the coloring, Don Boyer also commented on that; I'll make some changes and post it this weekend :) Right now I'm working on the back, which I'll try to upload this weekend as well
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Once this goes up on KS I am all over it!! I have really loved this deck and wanted to be a part of it from the beginning, but I was weary of IGG and brand loyal to KS, I am really excited that I will be able to support this without having to make any allowances. Can't wait to see this go live!!
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Once this goes up on KS I am all over it!! I have really loved this deck and wanted to be a part of it from the beginning, but I was weary of IGG and brand loyal to KS, I am really excited that I will be able to support this without having to make any allowances. Can't wait to see this go live!!
Thank you Justin O. for your support! :) :)
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... I doubt that any of my forum's participants will be sticking around, either, after I've discussed this situation with them - all 10,000-plus of them...
Sincerely,
Don Boyer
Head Administrator and COO
PlayingCardForum.com
Affiliated with 52 Plus Joker, the North American Playing Card Collectors' Club[/i]
:)
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... I doubt that any of my forum's participants will be sticking around, either, after I've discussed this situation with them - all 10,000-plus of them...
Sincerely,
Don Boyer
Head Administrator and COO
PlayingCardForum.com
Affiliated with 52 Plus Joker, the North American Playing Card Collectors' Club[/i]
:)
(http://pixelperfectgaming.com/wp-content/gallery/total_war_shogun_2_otomo_clan_launch/00_total_war_shogun_2_otomo_clan_pack_screenshot_01.jpg)
Ah, my legions await... :)) ROTFLMAO!
(Damn image was so huge my browser nearly choked on it! Had to use an image viewer!)
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No more aged background, what do you think?
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No more aged background, what do you think?
Both images look great. The "halo effect" in the bottom image seems to give the card a three-dimensional quality that's rather nice.
Either would be fine, I feel. I like that the aged look is gone! Never once when I've gone to a fine art museum did they smear dirt on the walls around the hanging artworks to make the wall look older... :))
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I agree they both look very sharp. The halo effect on the second does add drama to the image. Both are nice. :)
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The first one feels more in line with the Art Nouveau movement, the shadow ads a sense of modern aesthetic that I feel pulls away from the image and breaks up the continuity of the theme a little bit.
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Both images look great. The "halo effect" in the bottom image seems to give the card a three-dimensional quality that's rather nice. Either would be fine, I feel.
I agree they both look very sharp. The halo effect on the second does add drama to the image. Both are nice. :)
The first one feels more in line with the Art Nouveau movement, the shadow ads a sense of modern aesthetic that I feel pulls away from the image and breaks up the continuity of the theme a little bit.
thank you all :) I don't know yet whether I'll use the halo effect or not; Justin O. you're right, it's not in line with Art Nouveau but rather a modern and three dimensional touch. I have yet to decide if I'll go with pure Nouveau or not :)
I like that the aged look is gone! Never once when I've gone to a fine art museum did they smear dirt on the walls around the hanging artworks to make the wall look older... :))
haha that's a nice example
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@bfplayingcards - I like the bottom one. Now that is a balanced card....
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@bfplayingcards - I like the bottom one. Now that is a balanced card....
I agree with sprouts, the halo completes the look. I like it much more with it than without. JMO
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The first one feels more in line with the Art Nouveau movement, the shadow ads a sense of modern aesthetic that I feel pulls away from the image and breaks up the continuity of the theme a little bit.
thank you all :) I don't know yet whether I'll use the halo effect or not; Justin O. you're right, it's not in line with Art Nouveau but rather a modern and three dimensional touch. I have yet to decide if I'll go with pure Nouveau or not :)
Whichever you decide, own the decision. We have ideas and suggestions, but in the end they're just our opinions. If you feel strongly about something like having or not having the "halo effect", don't let our opinions sway you too far from your artistic vision.
We once tried to make a playing card deck here on the forum. There were dozens and dozens of people trying to do this with it or that with it or something else with it, with a teenager attempting to run the show. You've probably never heard of it, though - it died under its own weight, never to fully see the light of day. Trust me, it was for the better! :)) The old expression about "too many cooks" was all too true...
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@bfplayingcards - I like the bottom one. Now that is a balanced card....
I agree with sprouts, the halo completes the look. I like it much more with it than without. JMO
Thank you sprouts1115 and Will W., I'm glad I finally found the right design :)
Whichever you decide, own the decision. We have ideas and suggestions, but in the end they're just our opinions. If you feel strongly about something like having or not having the "halo effect", don't let our opinions sway you too far from your artistic vision.
We once tried to make a playing card deck here on the forum. There were dozens and dozens of people trying to do this with it or that with it or something else with it, with a teenager attempting to run the show. You've probably never heard of it, though - it died under its own weight, never to fully see the light of day. Trust me, it was for the better! :)) The old expression about "too many cooks" was all too true...
Nope, actually I never heard about it but it goes like that, you can never please everyone even if you please most of people. I must say I'm very grateful for all the opinions, though; changing small details I got a balanced design (as sprouts1115 said). Sometimes even the most obvious things are hard to see until someone else points them out :)
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I agree with Justin O., but I also like "halo effect". Can it be modern understanding of Art Nouveau?
Also:
- can the top part of "Q" index be on the same level with the point of big Spades pip?
- can you try to prolong the embellished edge of the circle (near the Queen's hand) until mid of the card?
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New back, opinions please! :)
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Yay! I like it so much better. Thank you, that was driving me a little crazy. It has a much better flow to it. :D
Thank you so much for sharing!
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Yay! I like it so much better. Thank you, that was driving me a little crazy. It has a much better flow to it. :D
Thank you so much for sharing!
Thank you Rose! I'm glad you like it! :D
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New back, opinions please! :)
I can certainly see how much work went into this. But for my tastes, it doesn't read Art Nouveau. It reads geometric, now in a more stained-glass style.
I started to write a reply that talked about the stylized organic forms of Art Nouveau, building (occasionally) off of a single background circle, with offshoots of hyperbolas and parabolas, and the distinctive whiplash ... but then I realized you fully understand Art Nouveau--your courts have captured that magic wonderfully.
My problem is that the fronts and the backs just don't go together--they come across as very different styles.
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New back, opinions please! :)
Comparing this to the previous back, I really like this more as well. Like Rose mentioned, the flow is definitely more eye-pleasing now.
As to how much of an Art Nouveau back this is i really can't comment. I know it but am not an expert on it. If you stand by your ground, maybe you can show us some processes during your KS project so others can understand how or where your back derived from. But this is definitely better than the previous one.
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New back, opinions please! :)
Looks excellent - a vast improvement.
As some of the others, I'm not an Art Nouveau expert, but I don't have any issue with this back and those faces.
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The new back looks good, I thought the old back looked good. So it's all good in my opinion.
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New back, opinions please! :)
I can certainly see how much work went into this. But for my tastes, it doesn't read Art Nouveau. It reads geometric, now in a more stained-glass style.
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My problem is that the fronts and the backs just don't go together--they come across as very different styles.
I agree with @GBAllison regarding back's style, but somehow it doesn't cause me any discomfort. I guess this is all my subjective taste :-\
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New back, opinions please! :)
I can certainly see how much work went into this. But for my tastes, it doesn't read Art Nouveau. It reads geometric, now in a more stained-glass style.
I started to write a reply that talked about the stylized organic forms of Art Nouveau, building (occasionally) off of a single background circle, with offshoots of hyperbolas and parabolas, and the distinctive whiplash ... but then I realized you fully understand Art Nouveau--your courts have captured that magic wonderfully.
My problem is that the fronts and the backs just don't go together--they come across as very different styles.
Thank you GBAllison for your opinion! :) I'll think about what you said, maybe I can come up with something :)
Comparing this to the previous back, I really like this more as well. Like Rose mentioned, the flow is definitely more eye-pleasing now.
As to how much of an Art Nouveau back this is i really can't comment. I know it but am not an expert on it. If you stand by your ground, maybe you can show us some processes during your KS project so others can understand how or where your back derived from. But this is definitely better than the previous one.
Looks excellent - a vast improvement.
As some of the others, I'm not an Art Nouveau expert, but I don't have any issue with this back and those faces.
The new back looks good, I thought the old back looked good. So it's all good in my opinion.
I agree with @GBAllison regarding back's style, but somehow it doesn't cause me any discomfort. I guess this is all my subjective taste :-\
Thank you for your opinions :) :) I'm glad you like it :D
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Love the new back. Keep trying to find the start and the end and whats connected. I love how it looks and you cant tell.
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Love the new back. Keep trying to find the start and the end and whats connected. I love how it looks and you cant tell.
Thank you John B. :) ;D
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So I thought I'd try to fill the back, let me know what you think :)
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So I thought I'd try to fill the back, let me know what you think :)
To me, any of those designs would look great. Just be aware of the limitations of the card printing process - check with your printer to be certain they can print at that resolution without losing any of the detail. You might also want to choose a brighter color for the line work to give it a little better contrast, at least in some areas, for better visibility.
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I like three of the four. The one I don't care for is the one that will probably be the biggest pain to print. Lower left. The other three look much better in my opinion. Great stuff.
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The second one.
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Consider what the back design would look like for a SECOND deck with the same faces. No changes to the actual artwork other than some color changes, enough to make the deck easily distinguishable from the original. Some projects set a stretch goal for a second deck, or simply start as a two-deck project, because of the popularity of "poker pairs" - two decks identical except for the back coloring. At a busy night of card games with friends, one deck can be in play while the other deck is being shuffled and prepared for the next game or next hand. This tradition of using two nearly-identical decks probably started with poker and bridge, but it's popular enough that many people do this regardless of the actual game played, especially when trying to fit in the maximum number of games in a limited period of time. The reason they're most commonly known as a poker pair is that most modern poker game sets include some different-colored poker chips and two such decks - same design, different back colors.
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To me, any of those designs would look great. Just be aware of the limitations of the card printing process - check with your printer to be certain they can print at that resolution without losing any of the detail. You might also want to choose a brighter color for the line work to give it a little better contrast, at least in some areas, for better visibility.
Consider what the back design would look like for a SECOND deck with the same faces.
The 3rd one is the most difficult to print and I think it's less Nouveau than the others; yeah, we already decided that this time there will be a special edition deck :)
I like three of the four. The one I don't care for is the one that will probably be the biggest pain to print. Lower left. The other three look much better in my opinion. Great stuff.
The second one.
Thank you for your opinions Fes and Collector :)
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Personally I like the first one (top left). It has a better definition and more contrast. :)
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Personally I like the first one (top left). It has a better definition and more contrast. :)
Thank you Will W. :)
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I really like the brighter corner dials on 1,2 and 4, but the overall even tone look of the 3rd one, and thing the third option with the higher contract corner dials would looks stellar.
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I really like the brighter corner dials on 1,2 and 4, but the overall even tone look of the 3rd one, and thing the third option with the higher contract corner dials would looks stellar.
Thank you Justin O. for your opinion :) I tried what you said but it didn't look very good. The problem is printing the 3rd option so we're going with a colored version :)
I tried different options and finally chose the right back; I think it portrays both the Art Nouveau mosaics and our deck's style. Check it out :) We'll be launching the project on KS this week! :D
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I really like the brighter corner dials on 1,2 and 4, but the overall even tone look of the 3rd one, and thing the third option with the higher contract corner dials would looks stellar.
Thank you Justin O. for your opinion :) I tried what you said but it didn't look very good. The problem is printing the 3rd option so we're going with a colored version :)
I tried different options and finally chose the right back; I think it portrays both the Art Nouveau mosaics and our deck's style. Check it out :) We'll be launching the project on KS this week! :D
Great end result. I look forward to backing your project.
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I really like the brighter corner dials on 1,2 and 4, but the overall even tone look of the 3rd one, and thing the third option with the higher contract corner dials would looks stellar.
Thank you Justin O. for your opinion :) I tried what you said but it didn't look very good. The problem is printing the 3rd option so we're going with a colored version :)
I tried different options and finally chose the right back; I think it portrays both the Art Nouveau mosaics and our deck's style. Check it out :) We'll be launching the project on KS this week! :D
This really looks good. I feel you have most excellent chances for the launch - perhaps even hitting goal within the first 48-72 hours!
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Great end result. I look forward to backing your project.
This really looks good. I feel you have most excellent chances for the launch - perhaps even hitting goal within the first 48-72 hours!
Thank you Will W. and Don Boyer! :D This will be the back for a special edition :)
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If I may point out one little thing I notised. I do apologize if it has been brought up before. The court looks great, I like the first one, especially. But in the middle of the yellowish tint, there is a crisp white line around the figure. To me that line breaks the spell of niceness that the rest of the court evokes. Would it be ok to try to give that line a slightly more yellow tint, like the cards background, maybe?
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If I may point out one little thing I notised. I do apologize if it has been brought up before. The court looks great, I like the first one, especially. But in the middle of the yellowish tint, there is a crisp white line around the figure. To me that line breaks the spell of niceness that the rest of the court evokes. Would it be ok to try to give that line a slightly more yellow tint, like the cards background, maybe?
You're right about that Leif, it's a mistake ;D thank you and it hasn't been brought up before :)
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardlauncher/nouveau-bicycle-playing-cards
After the abysmal failure of our project on Indiegogo a month ago (you can find our story here http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=7386.0 ;D) Bona Fide Playing cards is back with an improved NOUVEAU Bicycle deck, this time on KICKSTARTER :bosswalk: Check it out!
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NOUVEAU Bicycle is a limited edition Art Nouveau inspired deck. The court cards represent the historical and mythological heroes and heroines traditionally featured in the original French decks since the 16th century.
It's a standard Bicycle branded deck printed by USPCC and it consists of 56 cards including a full 52 card deck, plus 2 Jokers, 1 double backer card and one Ad card. It comes with a limited edition seal.
PERKS
$15 for 1 (+ $4 for international shipping)
$26 for 2 (+ $6 for international shipping)
$50 for 4 (+ $10 for international shipping)
$60 for 3 decks + 1 uncut sheet (+ $18 for international shipping)
$85 for 2 decks + 1 wooden handmade box (+ $22 for international shipping)
$100 for 4 decks + 1 wooden handmade box (+ $26 for international shipping)
$130 for 12 decks (+ $25 for international shipping)
$187 for 12 decks + 1 uncut sheet + 1 art print (+ $51 for international shipping)
$200 for 24 decks (+ $35 for international shipping)
$210 for 6 decks + 1 uncut sheet + 1 wooden handmade box + 1 art print + 1 ace t-shirt (+ $66 for international shipping)
$230 for 6 decks + 1 uncut sheet + 1 wooden handmade box + 1 art print + 1 ace hoodie (+ $68 for international shipping)
SPECIAL LIMITED PERKS
$11 for 1 (+ $4 for international shipping)**SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER**(50 available)
$20 for 2 (+ $6 for international shipping)**SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER**(30 available)
$26 for 3 (+ $8 for international shipping)**SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER**(30 available)
$50 for 6 (+ $20 for international shipping)**SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER**(30 available)
$100 for 12 (+ $25 for international shipping)**SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER**(10 available)
$170 for 24 (+ $35 for international shipping)**SPECIAL LIMITED OFFER**(5 available)
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We welcome any kind of opinions on our deck! Thank you :)
Happy Holidays!
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The deck is finally live on Kickstarter!
http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=7649.new#new
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardlauncher/nouveau-bicycle-playing-cards
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Happy to back this deck. I have one concern though, the bird logo thing on the tuck looks a whole lot like E's still. Could be a problem, just saying.
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Happy to back this deck. I have one concern though, the bird logo thing on the tuck looks a whole lot like E's still. Could be a problem, just saying.
sorry Fes, I don't know what you mean...what bird??
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Happy to back this deck. I have one concern though, the bird logo thing on the tuck looks a whole lot like E's still. Could be a problem, just saying.
sorry Fes, I don't know what you mean...what bird??
do you mean this?
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Yes that, sorry. Busy busy day today haha.
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Yes that, sorry. Busy busy day today haha.
Yeah I know, crazy busy days ;D To be honest that was in a locked layer in an Illustrator file sent by USPC; I didn't make any changes there cos the girl said not to but I'll ask her about it :)
Happy holidays!
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Thank you all!!
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardlauncher/nouveau-bicycle-playing-cards
After the abysmal failure of our project on Indiegogo a month ago (you can find our story here http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=7386.0 ;D) Bona Fide Playing cards is back with an improved NOUVEAU Bicycle deck, this time on KICKSTARTER :bosswalk: Check it out!
No need for the link now - I merged the topics. We try to keep it to one topic per deck in the Plethora and one in the Design/Dev board as well, so anyone looking for info about the deck later has only one place to look.
Happy to back this deck. I have one concern though, the bird logo thing on the tuck looks a whole lot like E's still. Could be a problem, just saying.
sorry Fes, I don't know what you mean...what bird??
The bird is indeed the Ellusionist Playing Card Co. logo, used by magic company Ellusionist to sell their decks for the past several months. I guess they felt it was better to remove magic branding from the decks to attract collectors and maybe even card players, though the word "Ellusionist" itself would set off some red flags, I would think. USPC must have included it by accident.
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The bird is indeed the Ellusionist Playing Card Co. logo, used by magic company Ellusionist to sell their decks for the past several months. I guess they felt it was better to remove magic branding from the decks to attract collectors and maybe even card players, though the word "Ellusionist" itself would set off some red flags, I would think. USPC must have included it by accident.
Yeah, they included it by accident. I removed the bird, I'll let them know about this mistake
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After our failed campaign, NOUVEAU is back on Kickstarter :)
You can check out the new project here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardlauncher/nouveau-playing-cards
NOUVEAU deck is inspired by the historical and mythological heroes and heroines traditionally featured in the French playing cards since the 16th century. As for the art style and design, we wanted to pay tribute to the philosophical and artistic trend Art nouveau, promoted and popularized in France in the late 19th century.
NOUVEAU and NOUVEAU TURQUOISE are fully custom decks manufactured and printed by Expert Playing Cards and designed by Bona fide Playing Cards. Both are limited editions of 1000 decks each (with EPC orders are subjected to an over/under run so we'll probably end anywhere between 1,800 and 2,200 decks) that won't be printed again.
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I really want these decks to succeed this time, so I'll be posting Tweets on Twitter, Facebook and other sites like this one:
http://twitter.com/CthulhuWho1/status/579621718144073728
And I'm curious about how well other card collectors think messages like this will work towards card deck projects; and how often I should post them.
Will Hart
Fullerton, California
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Can this topic get updated so the current project and its link and images are at the top instead of the older project links and details?
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I really want these decks to succeed this time, so I'll be posting Tweets on Twitter, Facebook and other sites like this one:
http://twitter.com/CthulhuWho1/status/579621718144073728
And I'm curious about how well other card collectors think messages like this will work towards card deck projects; and how often I should post them.
Will Hart
Fullerton, California
ps
Can this topic get updated so the current project and its link and images are at the top instead of the older project links and details?
Let me support you in this. Several modest words...
http://playingcardcollector.net/2015/03/22/nouveau-playing-cards-by-bona-fide-playing-cards/ (http://playingcardcollector.net/2015/03/22/nouveau-playing-cards-by-bona-fide-playing-cards/)
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Aha... printing with Expert Playing Card Company this time round! :D
Excellent. I've already put in my pledge for 6 decks.
I think it's great that a nice design is going to be printed using superior quality paper and coating :D
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I really want these decks to succeed this time, so I'll be posting Tweets on Twitter, Facebook and other sites like this one:
http://twitter.com/CthulhuWho1/status/579621718144073728
And I'm curious about how well other card collectors think messages like this will work towards card deck projects; and how often I should post them.
Will Hart
Fullerton, California
ps
Can this topic get updated so the current project and its link and images are at the top instead of the older project links and details?
Thank you Will :) :)!
Let me support you in this. Several modest words...
http://playingcardcollector.net/2015/03/22/nouveau-playing-cards-by-bona-fide-playing-cards/ (http://playingcardcollector.net/2015/03/22/nouveau-playing-cards-by-bona-fide-playing-cards/)
Collector you did an amazing job there!! Can't thank you enough! :D :D
Aha... printing with Expert Playing Card Company this time round! :D
Excellent. I've already put in my pledge for 6 decks.
I think it's great that a nice design is going to be printed using superior quality paper and coating :D
Yeah it was the best choice so we could start with two decks, without stretch goals :) Thank you for your support HolyJJ!
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Here's an example of the Twitter promo I just posted for these cards:
http://twitter.com/CthulhuWho1/status/580082554381819904
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Really like the reworked design on these. I think they both look very nice and are wonderful well rounded decks. I'm a bit more partial to the turquoise edition, I like the additional color on the courts quite a bit. Nothing but good things to say about these, from the price point up very nice!
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Here's an example of the Twitter promo I just posted for these cards:
http://twitter.com/CthulhuWho1/status/580082554381819904
Thank you CthulhuWho1! :) :)
Really like the reworked design on these. I think they both look very nice and are wonderful well rounded decks. I'm a bit more partial to the turquoise edition, I like the additional color on the courts quite a bit. Nothing but good things to say about these, from the price point up very nice!
Thank you very much Fes, I'm glad that the changes are positive! :D
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Just a reminder, only 15 days left so I invite you to check it out on Kickstarter if you haven't yet :) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardlauncher/nouveau-playing-cards
I'd like to share with you some of the cards we have so far (you can check out all the artwork in better quality on Kickstarter and our social profiles). Courts of Spades and jokers coming soon :)
Btw, I'm having some doubts regarding the jokers as the original designs include bicycles (if you've been following our previous attempt, it was a Bicycle deck). I'd rather respect the original design but we haven't decided on it yet. It would be great to have your opinion on this :) (I'm attaching sketches)
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Those jokers look fine to me. Use them or switch them as you see fit.
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Those jokers look fine to me. Use them or switch them as you see fit.
Thanks for your opinion :)
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Go with what you feel is right. You've created an amazing looking deck so far and I think you're choices are spot on. :D
Nothing but support from me.
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Go with what you feel is right. You've created an amazing looking deck so far and I think you're choices are spot on. :D
Nothing but support from me.
Thank you Fes!! It's really encouraging having such positive comments :D :D :D
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Btw guys, just a reminder, only 8 days left to get your limited edition deck, check it out here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cardlauncher/nouveau-playing-cards
:) :) :)