Hmmmm. interesting. I like it - but I bet it's expensive. And if you have an extensive collection, could cost a ton to display them all - but then again it would probably be worth it. I like it for travel - want to go show your cards off somewhere, this would be really easy to keep them protected at all times and set up quick. On another note - what is that Guy Fawkes deck shown in the picture?
Hmmmm. interesting. I like it - but I bet it's expensive. And if you have an extensive collection, could cost a ton to display them all - but then again it would probably be worth it. I like it for travel - want to go show your cards off somewhere, this would be really easy to keep them protected at all times and set up quick. On another note - what is that Guy Fawkes deck shown in the picture?
Very interesting. I don't remember a Guy Fawkes or a "V for Vendetta" deck? Alan Moore gave up the rights to WB for nothing.
Remember when Mike Ferrante was still running Brooke Michael's Poker World? He introduced a Plexiglas version of a card rack with a large capacity, but the price point was so high, I can't imagine he sold many of them. This is a smaller product with a smaller capacity, but it's also more complex to construct and could, on a deck-by-deck basis, be more expensive than Ferrante's rack, though still cheaper overall because of that smaller capacity.We have one of the Ferrante racks - its great [see pix]. These look like a great though and I might snag a couple.
Remember when Mike Ferrante was still running Brooke Michael's Poker World? He introduced a Plexiglas version of a card rack with a large capacity, but the price point was so high, I can't imagine he sold many of them. This is a smaller product with a smaller capacity, but it's also more complex to construct and could, on a deck-by-deck basis, be more expensive than Ferrante's rack, though still cheaper overall because of that smaller capacity.We have one of the Ferrante racks - its great [see pix]. These look like a great though and I might snag a couple.
Man, I really, really hope the international shipping on these is reasonable! I would love to pick up a bunch of these to display my favorite decks!
I suspect that if you have a massive collection, you won't necessarily want to buy enough of these to display them all - maybe just to display your favorite decks of the week/month/whatever...
Anyway, love the product/idea - really hope it's affordable in terms of base price and, just as important, shipping cost! If so, I'm in a for quite a few!
I think these orbiter displays will be a great help to my collection in helping it stay intact. I can let people see the decks without holding the decks. So I'll be less likely to say "You can have that deck, go ahead and take it with you." when I see they're really interested or like the deck a lot.
# of racks | US (10 decks) | CPU | US (15 decks) | CPU | Else (10 decks) | CPU | Else 15 decks) | CPU |
| 1 | $59 | $5.90 | $68 | $4.54 | $72 | $7.20 | $81 | $5.40 |
| 2 | $112 | $5.60 | $121 | $4.04 | $127 | $6.35 | $136 | $4.54 |
| 3 | $163 | $5.43 | $172 | $3.83 | $180 | $6.00 | $189 | $4.20 |
| 4 | $215 | $5.38 | $224 | $3.74 | $233 | $5.83 | $242 | $4.04 |
| 5 | $266 | $5.32 | $275 | $3.67 | $283 | $5.66 | $292 | $3.90 |
| 6 | $316 | $5.27 | $325 | $3.62 | $334 | $5.57 | $345 | $3.84 |
| 7 | $366 | $5.23 | $375 | $3.58 | $385 | $5.50 | $394 | $3.76 |
| 8 | $415 | $5.19 | $424 | $3.54 | $435 | $5.44 | $444 | $3.70 |
| 9 | $465 | $5.17 | $474 | $3.52 | $485 | $5.39 | $494 | $3.66 |
| 10 | $513 | $5.13 | $522 | $3.48 | $534 | $5.34 | $543 | $3.62 |
Here's a first for Kickstarter: the guy's listing the shipping cost as a separate amount from the pledge tier. That was royally dumb - they're going to have countless people sending in the wrong amount for their tier - or more accurately, the right amount because this guy listed the amounts poorly.
I can see why he listed them separately - these things aren't cheap. $48 each for one, $47 each for the second, third and fourth (way to go on that discount, woo hoo), $46 each for the fifth, sixth and seventh (a dollar saved is nearly useless), $44 each for the eighth and ninth and $43 for the tenth. If you increase the capacity from 10 to 15 (and display your decks overlapping each other) it's an extra $9 for the five extra deck cases. And NONE of that includes shipping charges.
Now you have the real prices for this project, not the "I've got a shipping secret" prices...
It's just in a format you are not used to. That's okay Don, not everything has to fit the mold you're used to dealing with on KS. You're the first guy I've seen call Scott dumb. Personally, I wouldn't do it myself. I disagree with you doing it, but hey if that's the thing to do at the time. Knock yourself out. I'm going to take a different approach and say, Well done Scott.
# of racks | Listed tier price | US (10 decks) | CPU | US (15 decks) | CPU | Else (10 decks) | CPU | Else 15 decks) | CPU |
| 1 | $48 | $59 | $5.90 | $68 | $4.54 | $72 | $7.20 | $81 | $5.40 |
| 2 | $95 | $112 | $5.60 | $121 | $4.04 | $127 | $6.35 | $136 | $4.54 |
| 3 | $142 | $163 | $5.43 | $172 | $3.83 | $180 | $6.00 | $189 | $4.20 |
| 4 | $189 | $215 | $5.38 | $224 | $3.74 | $233 | $5.83 | $242 | $4.04 |
| 5 | $235 | $266 | $5.32 | $275 | $3.67 | $283 | $5.66 | $292 | $3.90 |
| 6 | $281 | $316 | $5.27 | $325 | $3.62 | $334 | $5.57 | $345 | $3.84 |
| 7 | $327 | $366 | $5.23 | $375 | $3.58 | $385 | $5.50 | $394 | $3.76 |
| 8 | $371 | $415 | $5.19 | $424 | $3.54 | $435 | $5.44 | $444 | $3.70 |
| 9 | $415 | $465 | $5.17 | $474 | $3.52 | $485 | $5.39 | $494 | $3.66 |
| 10 | $458 | $513 | $5.13 | $522 | $3.48 | $534 | $5.34 | $543 | $3.62 |
I'm not saying it's a bad thing that he charges what he's charging - I'd simply prefer that he appear more honest about it. Make the tier listing the same price INCLUDING the shipping like the rest of the site does, and simply request the difference for international shipments.
Here's a first for Kickstarter: the guy's listing the shipping cost as a separate amount from the pledge tier. That was royally dumb - they're going to have countless people sending in the wrong amount for their tier - or more accurately, the right amount because this guy listed the amounts poorly.Agree, this will be a nightmare for him.
Well, that's about it. Hopefully, that clears the "Boyer Shipping Conspiracy" up. I'm always open to answering questions, so please don't hesitate to ask. I only ask that you keep it classy San Diego. :)
@louizz - Here is an idea. Make a third one that holds 5. Make them turn around slowly. Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks. It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards)
I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.
@louizz - Here is an idea. Make a third one that holds 5. Make them turn around slowly. Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks. It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards)
I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.
Russell - WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?
@louizz - Here is an idea. Make a third one that holds 5. Make them turn around slowly. Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks. It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards)
I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.
Russell - WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?
Russ might be on to something. Maybe not this project, but a display where the decks turn automatically could be cool.
Sure, they could do the math and figure it out, but in the spirit of openness and honesty it would be a nice gesture and it shows you're treating your customers better than the average project creator.
The plain-Jane version presented here is just fine - if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
@louizz - Here is an idea. Make a third one that holds 5. Make them turn around slowly. Hell, put a LED light shining down to each of the decks. It would be a mechanical device kind of like what Dale did. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dalemathis/worlds-first-3d-metal-and-mechanized-playing-cards)
I'm sure deck collectors can muster up 5 choice decks to make a center show piece.
Russell - WHHHHHYYYYYYYY?!?
Russ might be on to something. Maybe not this project, but a display where the decks turn automatically could be cool.
What, this one wasn't expensive enough for you? Not saying this one isn't worth it, but it's not the cheapest way to display decks.
So, he proposes:
* Shortening the display to hold just five decks
* Making the deck rotate mechanically
* Adding LED lights to highlight each deck (where, I have no idea, since any close-up light source, inside or outside of the box case, will reflect light against the clear plastic to create more glare than visibility).
Do you really want a light source that close to your decks? Do you really want to hear the incessant whining of the motor in action? Sure, you can turn it off, but what's the point of having it then? You could also make the motor work very slowly, but then who's going to notice? Most people don't have time to watch paint dry or watch glaciers melt - this goes on the same list. Power source - batteries or wall current? Converters for international use? UL listing for an electric device? FCC testing for radio frequency interference? And who besides Europeans knows what requirements the EU has for electric devices of this type?
Does any of that sound either simpler or better? The plain-Jane version presented here is just fine - if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
@Don - New ideas and suggestions are always good. Or is it your only your opinions that matter. You make it a little bit difficult to respond to posts you're a bit condescending.
This is like the way he tried to improve playing cards and make them simpler by ADDING more cards to the deck...
There is a deck in that photo that I can't place. First deck, upper left.
There is a deck in that photo that I can't place. First deck, upper left.
Try strolling through KS. I think pretty much all the decks there were released on KS in the last two or so years.
About the Orbiter 2.0 card cage do hickey itself. That looks pretty sweet but also pretty fragile, if it's hard plastic along the lines of say an music cassette case. Wonder what kind of plastic it is and how it connects to the frame.
About the Orbiter 2.0 card cage do hickey itself. That looks pretty sweet but also pretty fragile, if it's hard plastic along the lines of say an music cassette case. Wonder what kind of plastic it is and how it connects to the frame.
That will be interesting to see. It looks like he may have simplified the design, to cut down on production cost.
Sometimes a sequel is better and sometimes it's not. Which occasion does Orbiter 2.0 fall into? I don't know yet.
The deck cage design has changed quite a bit. From a three part cage to a two part cage. The original plans for the Orbiter cage called for black hard plastic to be used as a support and two clear acrylic sides to be popped on for display. Everything attached to the hard plastic center, which appeared to be the structure portion of the cage.
This version's cage is two molded pieces of acrylic that fit together, one of the acrylic sides will hold the nibs so it can be placed into the frame. This removed the black hard plastic structure piece. While the look is cleaner, it also appears to be somewhat weaker. I don't think this design would hold up to impact of an accidental drop as well. This new version may very well be better for it, popping open with ease to reduce damage to the cage. It's hard to say having never tested either, just have a gut feeling from previous experience with clear acrylic cases.
These re-designed orbiters allow us to place a total of six decks in the frame. This is another pretty big change to the original design which allowed some fifteen total decks per frame. It looks like there may have been some issue for some backers over the size of Orbiter 1.0 and they've addressed this making each frame smaller while keeping the stackable, customizable design from the originals.
The nibs have undergone a redesign as well. They're no longer the involved contraptions we knew before, but now simple and easy to place posts. No doubt a money saving move. I think this one is a no brainer and a gigantic plus over the original design.
Most obvious change is the frame itself. This has been shortened and from the photo renders it looks as though it's also a little thinner than the originals. Orbiter 2.0 does bring a lot of changes to the design, many of which are cost savings, and several just make sense from an ease of use perspective.
Without caring about the funding goal, that's not our job as backers, which design do you think has more appeal? Is this the Display that will finally bring card collections out of the shadow box?
I'm not convinced these are any cheaper Don. Expand the numbers out a bit if you will, I think you may agree with me. That's why I ask about the design of the display. The design is the main issue here since cost wise, this wouldn't actually less expensive for me at all really.
(40 decks Original Design cost to me would have been $215, 40 decks new design cost is $263.)
I'm not convinced these are any cheaper Don. Expand the numbers out a bit if you will, I think you may agree with me. That's why I ask about the design of the display. The design is the main issue here since cost wise, this wouldn't actually less expensive for me at all really.
(40 decks Original Design cost to me would have been $215, 40 decks new design cost is $263.)
But how did you calculate that? 40 decks can be ten racks, or it can be seven racks. Cost of ten racks (no shipping) is $235, but the cost of seven racks plus 12 extra cases is $199. Granted, six of those seven will have six decks each in them and won't have room for 360-degree twirling, but you would save $36 (that's a phat stack if you get it in singles!) and have a cool-looking display in your home - with a special rack for your four créme de la créme decks.
Let me address the "is it cheaper?" question. The answer is yes and no.
Well, trust me when I say that the Orbiter is a VERY attractive woman, who loves to cook and clean. Don't check the project again though. Just go ahead and pledge. ;)
I love your decks too. Can I have some? :)
You need to toss that guy some free Orbiters. The idea was pretty brilliant.Yes, it certainly was!