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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: crazyfandecks on May 07, 2014, 07:32:09 AM
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last time we have 3 topic abt decks incoming of D+M, 2 had been released - Gamblers Gaffs and White Rounders, dont know this could be the "Axe King" we heard before so i make a new topic, if it is same, feel free to delete or combine :P
Players, Rounders, Dealers, Gamblers, and now Hustlers, wonder if any Cheaters could come ;D
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D+M tweeted
Nothing will prepare you for the Madison Hustlers.
and I thought to myself... "except for about 50 tweets a day and 10 teaser pics, a video from Peter McKinnon and an entire promotional campaign from Ellusionist."
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We did have a topic but we did not know the name. It was then known as an unnamed deck that Madison mentioned with the Gamblers and New Rounders in an update "on the fly" video. The Kings Playing Cards is something entirely different.
This is supposedly something Madison has never done before? I will reserve judgment for later. The AOS is NOT a good sign of things to come.
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It's it just me or have Madison decks joined the ranks of steampunk, Dia de los Muertos, Cthulhu and zombies?
The next deck just seems like Madison's Clockwork Elder Sugar Skull Zombies... It's a confusing mish-mash, and uniqueness has been chucked out the window a while ago.
Don't get me wrong, Madison's a nice guy, but the decks named after him have definitively jumped the shark.
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I really like the DM series of cards and love the small details that aren't apparent at first glance. I think they're all still quite unique. Unfortunately I think his main customer/fan base are children who think he's cool because he acts like he doesn't care. I really struggle to watch him perform anything, or even talk because he comes across as such a try hard and I don't buy his products because I don't wish to fuel something I don't like but his cards are really nice.
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I like using DM decks as they handle very well but the design is getting a little old. I would hope that he was going to start using a new design since the rounders series is supposedly finished.
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there are already 9 Madison decks.... NINE
This makes 10... Ellusionist is milking this for everything it's worth.
Another very easy pass for me
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there are already 9 Madison decks.... NINE
This makes 10... Ellusionist is milking this for everything it's worth.
Another very easy pass for me
D&D had S&Ms. I'm guessing E doesn't want to lose out either. Lets just hope the rest don't follow suit.
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PurpleIce,
the difference is that D&D have released their S&M over the last 6-7 years. Ellusionist the last 2 years
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It's it just me or have Madison decks joined the ranks of steampunk, Dia de los Muertos, Cthulhu and zombies?
The next deck just seems like Madison's Clockwork Elder Sugar Skull Zombies... It's a confusing mish-mash, and uniqueness has been chucked out the window a while ago.
Don't get me wrong, Madison's a nice guy, but the decks named after him have definitively jumped the shark.
We are all nice in person. I know you met him in Brooklyn. I doubt Madison would be a complete asshole to someone.
I don't know that I agree 100% with your analogy. The Steampunk, Zombie and lets add Nautical decks, that have been produced recently are different perspectives of the same subject. This is blatant overuse of the same logo to the point its become damaging to his brand. I can't blame Madison for all of it. I believe the blame starts with Brad Christian. Brad can say no.
I really like the DM series of cards and love the small details that aren't apparent at first glance. I think they're all still quite unique. Unfortunately I think his main customer/fan base are children who think he's cool because he acts like he doesn't care. I really struggle to watch him perform anything, or even talk because he comes across as such a try hard and I don't buy his products because I don't wish to fuel something I don't like but his cards are really nice.
I don't believe the "Madison" main customer/fan base are children, the "industry" main customer/fan base are teenagers. That's basically who they are teaching magic too. I believe you can teach an old dog new tricks. However, if your in your 30's/40's and you were never into magic before or simply gave up (life happens), I would say that older customer/fan base gradually gets watered down.
Knowing you have a young audience you influence, is Ellusionist taking responsibility for Madison's actions? Watching Madison drinking out of a flask or a bottle of Jim Beam is not responsible branding by Madison. Seeing Madison point his fingers to his head as if it was a gun is not responsible branding by Madison either. Teenagers think that's cool. Teenagers think cigarettes are cool also. While Ellusionist and Madison are two separate entities and have separate branding concepts, Madison does work for Ellusionist. Madison's antics help sell his playing cards.
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Teenagers, for the most part are children. When I was younger and went to conventions it was mostly populated by over 30's so I don't think magicians get watered down by age at all.
No one was debating whether his antics affect sales.
The irony of the quote in your signature is beautiful.
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Teenagers, for the most part are children. When I was younger and went to conventions it was mostly populated by over 30's so I don't think magicians get watered down by age at all.
No one was debating whether his antics affect sales.
The irony of the quote in your signature is beautiful.
If my actions followed the words of my signature, I would not be on any forum or buying any products mentioned here. Its ironic for all of us. Certainly, we are not discussing world affairs.
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Haven't even received the last Madisons and already he's teasing the next one, at least give us a break.
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Haven't even received the last Madisons and already he's teasing the next one, at least give us a break.
Have you checked with Ellusionist customer service, or are you still waiting for his deck from T11 to arrive?
(Be a LITTLE more specific if you're lodging a complaint, or keep it to yourself.)
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update new pics, (http://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31.0-8/p843x403/10317807_10152059619571161_6124843195411177843_o.jpg) if this is the back of deck, i'll passed without any regret, i dont want to be played with this ugly even it marked or else (http://love.youthwant.com.tw/LoveSchool_xfile/M_place/72/100123572//GRAPH/140513082602z10Y.jpg)
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OK, Daniel Madison - I'm officially over your decks. I no longer consider resizing your logo and changing the colors a bit "designing a deck". I think you're a great guy, very personable and nice to talk with, but I'm not buying these. I won't throw them away if they arrive for free - I'll pass them on to the kids at the hospital, naturally...
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That picture with the butterfly knife and the blood drops is just too much... That kind of marketing is over-the-top ridiculous IMO.
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I'm going to await the back design of these before I make up my mind but it's a bit underwhelming so far. Too bad, it's a very nice logo to start off with so there's a lot of stuff that could be done with it.
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The jig is up! We've been hustled.
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I think they look great, and they're in interesting colours. Naturally there will be another colour variant rewarded for spending x amount of money. Even though I really dislike the DM brand and it will really eat away at me that I've contributed to that it's a very possible purchase for me.
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I think they look great, and they're in interesting colours. Naturally there will be another colour variant rewarded for spending x amount of money. Even though I really dislike the DM brand and it will really eat away at me that I've contributed to that it's a very possible purchase for me.
You don't like the Madison brand but your going to buy them anyway? Who are you bluffing? You either know Madison personally or you are DM?
I happen to like the Madison brand very much. However, this is gluttonous misuse.
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Nah, this is for sure a pass. I don't like the design at all. I do like the rounders and dealers but these just look weird to me.
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The registration of that white side border is going to be a nightmare, unfortunately. I like the bold design but imagine if a "Non famous" person like me tried to pass off 10 decks all with the same motif. I'd be sunk, for sure.
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2 colors again, one must be limited like usual, fanning look nice but nah not worth :bosswalk:
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The two colours picked are interested though I'm curious how orange/red that second colour is. I guess if it's someone's first Madison deck, it's not a bad choice. Otherwise, it'd be nice if they had a V2 of the Madison logo or something to change it up a bit.
I'm surprised about the white "railing" on the cards as if registration is exact on that, it'll show worst than a full bleed design.
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Personally, am a huge fan of minimalism but too many of his decks are starting to look like a 5-minute job instead of "complexity within simplicity".
Passing it up too.
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I think they look great, and they're in interesting colours. Naturally there will be another colour variant rewarded for spending x amount of money. Even though I really dislike the DM brand and it will really eat away at me that I've contributed to that it's a very possible purchase for me.
"No! Resist the pull of the Dark Side, you must! Reward the unimaginative, no one should, for down that path, evil lies..."
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The Artifice series may have had its share of over-running the course of its life, but the DM line has done this in roughly 12 months. Unfortunately it just has no more appeal, and I'll be comfortably leaving these alone.
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The Artifice series may have had its share of over-running the course of its life, but the DM line has done this in roughly 12 months. Unfortunately it just has no more appeal, and I'll be comfortably leaving these alone.
With the Artifice line, it was a single basic design offered in a handful of colors, with the "Tundra" deck (a.k.a. Artifice Ghost) being the biggest departure from the basic formula. One deck line, a handful of colors, period. Not terribly sexy after all this time, but at least you know what you're getting when you buy an Artifice deck.
With the Madison decks, including the one he created with Theory11, it's been a disjointed series, one after the other, with a string of names that at this point just blend right into each other - Dealers, Hustlers, Players, Rounders, Butchers, Bakers, Candlestick Makers, Tinkers, Tailors, etc., ad nauseum, and with inadequate differences between them to generate enough interest at this stage of the game. The only name that actually stands out now is Limited, and that's not even an original Madison deck design, it's just an older design with his deck's faces slapped on it - and to me, it wasn't even an improvement on the original face design, which itself was simply USPC standard faces with Artifice indices and a visually interesting color scheme. At least the earlier designs bore some passing resemblance to classic deck designs used by many Las Vegas casinos or at the least popular with card players. This "Hustlers" design - I don't know what the heck it is, other than a 10X maginification of a corner of the Dealers with the most bizarre border set-up I've ever seen.
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The Artifice series may have had its share of over-running the course of its life, but the DM line has done this in roughly 12 months. Unfortunately it just has no more appeal, and I'll be comfortably leaving these alone.
With the Artifice line, it was a single basic design offered in a handful of colors, with the "Tundra" deck (a.k.a. Artifice Ghost) being the biggest departure from the basic formula. One deck line, a handful of colors, period. Not terribly sexy after all this time, but at least you know what you're getting when you buy an Artifice deck.
With the Madison decks, including the one he created with Theory11, it's been a disjointed series, one after the other, with a string of names that at this point just blend right into each other - Dealers, Hustlers, Players, Rounders, Butchers, Bakers, Candlestick Makers, Tinkers, Tailors, etc., ad nauseum, and with inadequate differences between them to generate enough interest at this stage of the game. The only name that actually stands out now is Limited, and that's not even an original Madison deck design, it's just an older design with his deck's faces slapped on it - and to me, it wasn't even an improvement on the original face design, which itself was simply USPC standard faces with Artifice indices and a visually interesting color scheme. At least the earlier designs bore some passing resemblance to classic deck designs used by many Las Vegas casinos or at the least popular with card players. This "Hustlers" design - I don't know what the heck it is, other than a 10X maginification of a corner of the Dealers with the most bizarre border set-up I've ever seen.
Laughed very hard at the candlestick makers ;D I found the LTD to be an interesting take on the whole minimal approach to things. The Hustlers design, as it is most likely a 10X magnification of the Dealers, does not look very useful to me, and I feel like it'd raise plenty of eyebrows if you were to pull them out of your pocket and asked someone to touch a card.
I now look forward to seeing further iterations of this series of decks with 'badass' names purely to see the lazy design. We could have a brainstorming session for Dan. If we're thinking of gambling related names I can think of: Folders, Splitters, Shufflers, and Floppers.
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That orange color, depending on how it looks without those filters, might be nice. I like the back design on it, but it won't be an instant purchase for me. I might pick one up if I decide to grab a few other things later on though. It's nice, it's just not very different from recent DM decks.
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I'm surprised about the white "railing" on the cards as if registration is exact on that, it'll show worst than a full bleed design.
I'm surprised too, and even the samples used in the marketing shots are noticeably off center, so that doesn't exactly bode well...
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I now look forward to seeing further iterations of this series of decks with 'badass' names purely to see the lazy design. We could have a brainstorming session for Dan. If we're thinking of gambling related names I can think of: Folders, Splitters, Shufflers, and Floppers.
Flingers
Tossers
Flippers
Fanners
Spreaders
One-Armed Bandits
...and while we're at it, Bandits without an arm count
Bouncers
Waiters
Waitresses
Waitrons (for when you just can't tell the difference or a 'droid is serving you)
Boilers
Boilermakers
Markers
Fingerbreakers (told you not to bring marked cards...)
Knuckledraggers (for when Fingerbreakers just aren't enough)
Coolers
Heaters
Drinkers
Drunkers
Elvis Impersonators
French Ticklers (no such thing as a bad idea in a brainstorm, right? Bring a raincoat...)
Bankers
Cheaters
Spinners
Shall I go on? :))
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I now look forward to seeing further iterations of this series of decks with 'badass' names purely to see the lazy design. We could have a brainstorming session for Dan. If we're thinking of gambling related names I can think of: Folders, Splitters, Shufflers, and Floppers.
Flingers
Tossers
Flippers
Fanners
Spreaders
One-Armed Bandits
...and while we're at it, Bandits without an arm count
Bouncers
Waiters
Waitresses
Waitrons (for when you just can't tell the difference or a 'droid is serving you)
Boilers
Boilermakers
Markers
Fingerbreakers (told you not to bring marked cards...)
Knuckledraggers (for when Fingerbreakers just aren't enough)
Coolers
Heaters
Drinkers
Drunkers
Elvis Impersonators
French Ticklers (no such thing as a bad idea in a brainstorm, right? Bring a raincoat...)
Bankers
Cheaters
Spinners
Shall I go on? :))
"Bandit Without an Arm Count" would be an amazing name for anything.
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I now look forward to seeing further iterations of this series of decks with 'badass' names purely to see the lazy design. We could have a brainstorming session for Dan. If we're thinking of gambling related names I can think of: Folders, Splitters, Shufflers, and Floppers.
Flingers
Tossers
Flippers
Fanners
Spreaders
One-Armed Bandits
...and while we're at it, Bandits without an arm count
Bouncers
Waiters
Waitresses
Waitrons (for when you just can't tell the difference or a 'droid is serving you)
Boilers
Boilermakers
Markers
Fingerbreakers (told you not to bring marked cards...)
Knuckledraggers (for when Fingerbreakers just aren't enough)
Coolers
Heaters
Drinkers
Drunkers
Elvis Impersonators
French Ticklers (no such thing as a bad idea in a brainstorm, right? Bring a raincoat...)
Bankers
Cheaters
Spinners
Shall I go on? :))
Bartenders,Tricksters,Cheaters, XCMers, Flourishers... is Hookers could be in Casino too :-\
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I now look forward to seeing further iterations of this series of decks with 'badass' names purely to see the lazy design. We could have a brainstorming session for Dan. If we're thinking of gambling related names I can think of: Folders, Splitters, Shufflers, and Floppers.
Flingers
Tossers
Flippers
Fanners
Spreaders
One-Armed Bandits
...and while we're at it, Bandits without an arm count
Bouncers
Waiters
Waitresses
Waitrons (for when you just can't tell the difference or a 'droid is serving you)
Boilers
Boilermakers
Markers
Fingerbreakers (told you not to bring marked cards...)
Knuckledraggers (for when Fingerbreakers just aren't enough)
Coolers
Heaters
Drinkers
Drunkers
Elvis Impersonators
French Ticklers (no such thing as a bad idea in a brainstorm, right? Bring a raincoat...)
Bankers
Cheaters
Spinners
Shall I go on? :))
Bartenders,Tricksters,Cheaters, XCMers, Flourishers... is Hookers could be in Casino too :-\
I don't see the lucky old guy, strippers, or pole dancers?
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Don't forget the Scammers, the Profiteers, the Fakesters and the Frauds.
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Are this going to be limited or unlimited ?
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Are this going to be limited or unlimited ?
Nothing has been mentioned yet.
E & DM are trying to build some positive momentum. I would just hold out till late July if I was E. The more people that question when these will be released the better for E. No one gets any information. Just pictures of E's friends showing off their freebies. It's evil but you got to love the strategy!
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Are this going to be limited or unlimited ?
Nothing has been mentioned yet.
E & DM are trying to build some positive momentum. I would just hold out till late July if I was E. The more people that question when these will be released the better for E. No one gets any information. Just pictures of E's friends showing off their freebies. It's evil but you got to love the strategy!
I remember T11 used to do that a lot; show teaser photos for weeks, get the hype machine going nice and early, etc. It kinda backfired on them eventually. They haven't done it much since.
I much prefer getting word about a new release when it's really close to the release date. And forget teaser photos - just show the cards. Instead of generating desire in me for the deck, I find it frustrating, eventually wonder where the hell it is, forget about it and find some other shiny trinket or new Kickstarter release.
Long, drawn-out teaser campaigns might have worked a couple of years ago, but not in this market.
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Are this going to be limited or unlimited ?
Nothing has been mentioned yet.
E & DM are trying to build some positive momentum. I would just hold out till late July if I was E. The more people that question when these will be released the better for E. No one gets any information. Just pictures of E's friends showing off their freebies. It's evil but you got to love the strategy!
I remember T11 used to do that a lot; show teaser photos for weeks, get the hype machine going nice and early, etc. It kinda backfired on them eventually. They haven't done it much since.
I much prefer getting word about a new release when it's really close to the release date. And forget teaser photos - just show the cards. Instead of generating desire in me for the deck, I find it frustrating, eventually wonder where the hell it is, forget about it and find some other shiny trinket or new Kickstarter release.
Long, drawn-out teaser campaigns might have worked a couple of years ago, but not in this market.
All very true. I can't get frustrated over something I'm not buying. I'm just sitting back with a grin on my face reading DM's follower comments on Facebook. Such a contradiction of opinion from Discourse.
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Long, drawn-out teaser campaigns might have worked a couple of years ago, but not in this market.
Agreed. It was a different ball game when there weren't really any competition to mention. Back in 2009 the Arcanes were teased for months if I recall correctly, and it worked like " ;D :D ". Theory11 did it quite a few times 1-2 years ago and a lot of reactions was that it was overhyped and didn't meet the expectations.
You really need to produce a game changer if you are to pull off teasing a deck actively for months now.
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Additional titles:
Sharks
Marks
Fish
Chum
Chumps
Suckers
Live Ones
Patsies
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Hustlers are available now for black club. They are being branded as casino decks of the 50's and 60's. The branding Is even less imaginative then the design.
The last of the Madison logo series. WTF, no one said they had to stop making Madison logo cards? Just not so many so soon. We like the Madison brand. What a disaster! Way to ruin a good thing.
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Hustlers are available now for black club. They are being branded as casino decks of the 50's and 60's. The branding Is even less imaginative then the design.
The last of the Madison logo series. WTF, no one said they had to stop making Madison logo cards? Just not so many so soon. We like the Madison brand. What a disaster! Way to ruin a good thing.
Madison Logo. I'm sure there'll be more Madison related decks coming about. Next week DM will instagram a 1mm away photo of a card with some edgy Jayden Smith quote like, "How can we be close, if we aren't even - Madison says".
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Hustlers are available now for black club. They are being branded as casino decks of the 50's and 60's. The branding Is even less imaginative then the design.
The last of the Madison logo series. WTF, no one said they had to stop making Madison logo cards? Just not so many so soon. We like the Madison brand. What a disaster! Way to ruin a good thing.
They didn't say it would be the last of the Madison brand just the last ones using the logos.
In a weird move they decided to put white borders on ONLY the sides of the cards and they made one side thicker than the other for a one way effect...that must be the imaginative part they meant, lol
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Madison Logo series ended, next: Daniel Logo series, D+M Logo series, bla bla bla
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I for one didn't like the colors at first, but.....
initial thoughts.... now I am kinda getting won over. First of all, my wife LOVES the color and design, but she's a graphic designer - sadly now she wants these cards for herself, so I have to hide em. (she's obsessed with finding which Font they're using - Sloop Script One Medium?)
1 way back design side to side and top to bottom - which makes for a pretty side design - short ends look like a casino deck, long ends look like a normal deck (in the stack)
Side borders help hide reversed cards
Smooth handling
Did I mention no tuck seal on the box?
Double backer
Joker card reveal
I think of all D+M cards, these are up there with my favorites.
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Joker card reveal
Seriously though, the "reveal" isn't clear enough to use for anything. Also, do E hold shares in knife production? Little (or a lot) irresponsible to make knives look cool when a lot of the people on their social media accounts seem to be quite young.
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Now that they're released, I'm still not convinced. The colors are great, but the design isn't doing it for me at all.
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It was mentioned that the back design with side borders is off center purposely by Daniel. He wanted it to be a secret one way back. Don't know if I buy that?
Don't like the logo AoS. The jokers are interesting but who the hell buys a deck because of jokers? Love the colors but I don't get how it resembles 50's/60's casinos. More time could be used to develop the back design and it's positioning. If this was Madison's cardistry deck the branding would have been better but it's not, therefore the name would have made no sense. I do find it ironic seeing Laura London call herself a "hustler" on Twitter. Maybe that's my dirty American mind getting carried away. Lol
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Now that they're released, I'm still not convinced. The colors are great, but the design isn't doing it for me at all.
I'm with you on this one. Colors are great, design not so much. Unless the bottom falls out of the market completely there'll be decks with similar colors eventually, so I wouldn't get them solely for the colors.
I'm guessing there'll be a few people purchasing the orange one by the dozen to try to flip later on, but that might be a mistake considering how much easier it is to get a hold of one of these already.
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Now that they're released, I'm still not convinced. The colors are great, but the design isn't doing it for me at all.
I'm with you on this one. Colors are great, design not so much. Unless the bottom falls out of the market completely there'll be decks with similar colors eventually, so I wouldn't get them solely for the colors.
I'm guessing there'll be a few people purchasing the orange one by the dozen to try to flip later on, but that might be a mistake considering how much easier it is to get a hold of one of these already.
Quick flips like that are a thing of the past these days - too many OTHER "rare" decks out there.