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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Don Boyer on November 16, 2011, 01:40:34 PM
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Here's a summary of what I discovered:
Confirmed: Propaganda is coming in a v2, date unknown.
Confirmed: Monarchs use a variant of Aristocrat stock.
Rumored: blue Bee Stingers aren't out of the question.
Confirmed, though sort of obvious in retrospect: T11 produces all their own magic material, so a book from them is unlikely unless they find something new and good from someone who approaches them - no classic of magic in any format. Since fewer people are making books than DVDs these days, the odds are long.
How did I learn this, you may ask? I left this email on T11's website early this morning (or late last night, depending on your point of view):
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1) I noticed in the holiday contest that the "ultimate brick" of playing cards had a deck described as "Propaganda v1". Was there more than one version of this deck? If not, does this mean a new version is imminent?
2) Are there any plans to release the Bee Stingers in more colors, or perhaps in a Titanium Edition? A few people I've chatted with in card forums were hoping for blue Stingers...
3) What, precisely, is the difference between the early-release "Gold Monarchs" and the standard-issue Monarch decks? What stock was used to make this deck?
4) Why don't you guys carry any magic books? Some of the best material out there isn't found on a video screen... :) I've been getting more into reading classics like "Expert at the Card Table" and "Royal Road to Card Magic". I'll grant you there's a lot of good info in videos and you can see the tricks and their details described live before your eyes, but with all the videos I've purchased here and elsewhere, I still felt I needed more of a foundation to work from. Books tend to give that solid foundation. (And if you should ever plan a video which teaches "Expert at the Card Table" from cover to cover, word for word, I think you'd make a mint on it!)
5) This one isn't a question - it's a "thank you" for taking the time to help me with your answers and for putting out some great products.
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Lyle at T11 left me this reply a few hours later - a thorough and thoughtful answer at that:
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Don,
For simplicity, I will answer your questions the same way you asked.
1. While not released, we are working on a V.2 Propaganda deck. This has no release date, and as far I know is still in the design process. It will have new tweaks, but the the general look will be the same.
2. Blue Stingers certainly would rock. Especially Titanium Blue Stingers. While I don't know of any plans for these decks (JB keeps that information VERY closely guarded until the decks are in production) I would not be surprised to see Blue Stingers in the future. No official information from me, just speculation.
3. The first printing of Monarchs used a metallic gold ink on the back design instead of the white you see today. When the first decks of the final print (not prototypes anymore, but part of the actual printing) we realized that the gold ink did not stand out like we had hoped for it to. The backs looked dull. We had already had a single shipment of 12 bricks (144 cards) rushed to us and sent out to pre-order customers, reviewers, and our team. We made the call to have the rest of the multiple thousand cards destroyed (recycled, rather) to preserve the integrity of our high standards. The newest printing uses white on the navy blue background. There is not a single other difference. The cards are printed on a variation of Aristocrat stock that currently is not named.
4. Books are always a fantastic investment for magicians. We are always interested, but we have yet to find a new book that meets our standards to produce. We, as you can see, produce our material in house. Other than a small handful of playing cards, everything we release we produce. This is one of the reasons we don't sell other magic books that otherwise might meet our criteria.
5. You are more than welcome! Thank you for your support! We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for awesome people like you!
Keep on being amazing! Have a great night!
/ Lyle
/ www.theory11.com (http://www.theory11.com/)
/ www.facebook.com/theory11 (http://www.facebook.com/theory11)
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As they say, "knowing is half the battle!" ;D
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Great job acquiring the info. If it weren't for my disdain for T11 and their products, I'd be more excited about Propv2 (with metallic ink?).
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Great job acquiring the info. If it weren't for my disdain for T11 and their products, I'd be more excited about Propv2 (with metallic ink?).
I want Pripaganda v2 so bad!
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Great job acquiring the info. If it weren't for my disdain for T11 and their products, I'd be more excited about Propv2 (with metallic ink?).
Nah. Just minor tweaks. And this time they're actually tweaking the CARDS and not just the BOX... (hee hee)
(Actually, I'm not sure - it could just be another version of the box shell game...)
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I have a feeling they'd add metallic ink, embossed box, and other stuff...
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As much as I have to agree with Alex about a lot of their stuff and how they've acted, especially over the Monarchs... I still really like my Propaganda deck. It does handle great, look nice and at the time was pretty cheap. I'm buying decks on a release-by-release basis; if I think they'll be good, I'll get them. If not, I won't.
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Nice work getting that information! I for one am way excited for the Propaganda v2s! :D That was a beautiful!!
and man would I love to see some blue stingers!! >:(
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I would probably pass on buying the v2's of the propaganda deck just because I have one of the originals still sealed and another barely used open. But I would love to complete the trio of black, red and blue stingers if they ever make them.
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I think I heard about propaganda v2 somewhere else.
But yeah, I would like to see the differences they will add.
About the monarch, so that's simply means the gold version is a mistake. LoL
But however, I think the gold look better than the white one.
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Good work, your like our T11 spy with that sort of info :P
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Any word on Centurions V2? I heard before they were working on this also but nothing as come of it. Blue Stingers would be awesome also.
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It Seems like all of t11 releases will be v2's and v3's with only minor changes which is really annoying.
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Ahem...
Red Centurions anyone??
I can dream.. can't I?
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Ahem...
Red Centurions anyone??
I can dream.. can't I?
Yea.... but it won't happen. I wish though
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Ahem...
Red Centurions anyone??
I can dream.. can't I?
Yea.... but it won't happen. I wish though
Knowing t11, there is a chance it might happen.
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Ahem...
Red Centurions anyone??
I can dream.. can't I?
Yea.... but it won't happen. I wish though
Knowing t11, there is a chance it might happen.
well if they keep doing v2s, v3s etc it might.
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Ahem...
Red Centurions anyone??
I can dream.. can't I?
Hmmm, I wanna to see it too.
Still, I don't have and black or white one yet.
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Good work, your like our T11 spy with that sort of info :P
Thank you, good sir! If you poke and prod in just the right ways, you'd be surprised at the information you can obtain...from anyone...
(Of course, ASKING works too, but that's too mundane...)
;D
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Does anyone know if they will be having Black Friday sales? I messaged them, but they never messaged back.
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Does anyone know if they will be having Black Friday sales? I messaged them, but they never messaged back.
Im sure they will. They usually do.
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Does anyone know if they will be having Black Friday sales? I messaged them, but they never messaged back.
Im sure they will. They usually do.
Last year you could get a Brown Wynn for spending $25 and if you spent $50, you could get a brown Wynn, and a White Centurion!
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I saw that deal, and it was amazing, but unfortunately, I spent my money shopping at the mall.
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I saw that deal, and it was amazing, but unfortunately, I spent my money shopping at the mall.
Sadly, I wasn't into cards at that time.
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I saw that deal, and it was amazing, but unfortunately, I spent my money shopping at the mall.
Sadly, I wasn't into cards at that time.
Neither was I.... I hope they have another good deal like that
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I saw that deal, and it was amazing, but unfortunately, I spent my money shopping at the mall.
Sadly, I wasn't into cards at that time.
Neither was I.... I hope they have another good deal like that
My guess is they won't, since the card collectors "club", for lack of a better term, has grown exponentially since this time last year.
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Yeah, I'm wondering will they have any other announcement this year.
Or just the holiday contest they announced.
Then it's very disappointed. All companies are doing a raffle draw than providing gift for everyone.