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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Rob Wright on April 09, 2014, 03:08:08 AM
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As posted on the Kings Wild project facebook (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kings-Wild-Project/149284228569199) a few hours ago ? ? ?
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He also mentioned being featured in this
Sessions: Spectrum Fantastic Art Portraits by Greg Preston (KS) (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/481703930/sessions-spectrum-fantastic-art-portraits-by-greg)
Congratulations Jackson
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So, Jackson - a little commentary, perhaps? :)) Inquiring minds want to know!
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That seems so interesting!!! Wanting to know more!
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Smart artistic and business decisions all around. I can learn a thing or two from this guy.
Very interested in this to say the least.
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I just posted the following on Jackson Robinson's Facebook Photo Page:
"Tally-Ho Fan Backs, with a Black back, in the Linoid Finish, are my favorite daily-use cards; and Jackson Robinson is my favorite card-crafter... So I am all-in on this one!"
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I actually took this as some kind of late april fools joke. But if it's real them I'm going to have my very first Tally-Ho deck.
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Is it possible that this might be where Jackson is planning on debuting his "Kings Wild Signature" standard, his custom courts, etc that he was thinking of using in upcoming decks where he wanted to go with a more traditional look like when he was talking about developing a custom take on classic Rider Backs before Jarden got in the way?
http://www.playingcardforum.com/design-development/kings-wild-development-thread/msg89266/#msg89266
I'm definitely interested. Always wanted some T-Ho's but never gotten around to it. Would definitely be in on some with a little Jackson flavor thrown in!
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Is it possible that this might be where Jackson is planning on debuting his "Kings Wild Signature" standard, his custom courts, etc that he was thinking of using in upcoming decks where he wanted to go with a more traditional look like when he was talking about developing a custom take on classic Rider Backs before Jarden got in the way?
http://www.playingcardforum.com/design-development/kings-wild-development-thread/msg89266/#msg89266
I'm definitely interested. Always wanted some T-Ho's but never gotten around to it. Would definitely be in on some with a little Jackson flavor thrown in!
There's a slight problem with that post. The graphic link appears to be dead.
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Oh I know, I think it happened while JR was relaunching the kings wild website and had it down for a while before he did that short sale on Fed decks a while back.
He either mentioned there or somewhere else that a lot his links got broke as a result of taking the side down and redesigning it. I've never had the chance to even see what he was referring to with them. I'm just basically day dreaming. You don't know how long I hemmed and hawed about adding on when I completed my Backerkit for the Independence.
I swear, Jackson could start churning out crap (I know he won't though) and I'd be the last to catch on. He basically can do no wrong with his decks in my eyes. Something about his aesthetic just nails my personal taste to the last letter.
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I don't think I've ever actually used any standard Tally Hos. I've handled the Viper deck from Ellusionist, not sure if that's the same general specs or if Ellusionist added some sort of performance coating. Aren't they more of a smoother, thick stock?
Anyways, it looks like a pretty cool deck. I hope its the real deal.
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I don't think I've ever actually used any standard Tally Hos. I've handled the Viper deck from Ellusionist, not sure if that's the same general specs or if Ellusionist added some sort of performance coating. Aren't they more of a smoother, thick stock?
Anyways, it looks like a pretty cool deck. I hope its the real deal.
It would largely depend on how old your Tally Ho Viper deck was. Original issue had UV500 stock and "Air-Flow" finish. Then they had "Air Cushion" finish with Bicycle Casino stock. The stock these days is closer to standard Bicycle, perhaps a little heavier, while the finish is Magic Finish under the original production code name, "Performance Coating".
Technically, the finish for all three is the same - embossed. The coating is what varies. Just guessing here, but I'm assuming that "Air-Flow" and "Air Cushion" were just USPC's standard coating, while the "Magic Finish" (a misnomer that USPC never bothered to correct) coating is what's used now, as it's the default finish for all custom decks and performance slicker than the standard. They are, after all, the only two actual coatings that USPC offers, aside from what they use for those biodegradable, recyclable decks like Bicycle Archagels and Bicycle Eco Edition.
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I want to say it was printed on Casino stock, if only because they felt very thick, but I don't think they had the standard "Air Cushion" finish that most standard Bicycle cards do.
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I want to say it was printed on Casino stock, if only because they felt very thick, but I don't think they had the standard "Air Cushion" finish that most standard Bicycle cards do.
There's a bit of confusion that happens with the term "finish". The finish is the texture of the card - smooth or embossed. At one time, that texture was incorporated into a card with the application of a coating using cloth rollers of different fabric types - hence the reason so many finishes are named after fabrics, such as Cambric, Linen, Linoid, etc. Some time in the 1970s or '80s USPC changed the process, using steel rollers to press the finish right into the paper, separating it from the coating altogether. It was less expensive since the steel rollers needed much less frequent replacement on the assembly line. Finish names like Air Cushion, Cambric and so on became different ways of saying the deck has an embossed finish, no longer distinguishable from each other as they once were.
As far as coatings go, USPC offers just the two. They'll never openly admit it, but there's just "standard" and "Magic Finish" coatings. Personally, I think "Performance Coating" was a much more intelligent name - I bust out a pack of anything that says "Magic Finish" on it, any spectator that sees it will think is a trick deck!
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This looks beautiful :)
Jackson confirmed, via Facebook comments, that this WILL NOT be a kickstarter project.
Can't wait to see more :)
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This looks beautiful :)
Jackson confirmed, via Facebook comments, that this WILL NOT be a kickstarter project.
Can't wait to see more :)
It's really gorgeous. I just hope USPC Legal doesn't get a bug up their butt over this. They don't allow modifications to classic backs anymore.
At least he fixed the one-way mark!
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First deck of Tally Hos incoming, I guess.
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Doesn't he work for them now? Maybe that makes this deck a USPC collaboration...
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I do not work for them. They only license deck designs from me. And this is not a collaboration as it says Kings Wild Project on the tuck.
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KW tally ho AoS
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Awwww, what happened to all the nice yellow detailing on the back?
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KW tally ho AoS
That looks very cool, Jackson! I'm surprised they're allowing you to make such modifications to the back and the Ace of Spades, what with the fuss they've been making over their trademarks for the past two-plus years.
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Awwww, what happened to all the nice yellow detailing on the back?
In assuming that's a limited edition back, maybe? Could be wrong.
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Hi Jackson,
I've been a backer of all your decks since the Fed52, and I must say, everything looks so good and I love everything so far. Waiting for my Sherlock Holmes decks now :D
I'd usually just open one deck and keep the rest because of how pricey they are to me, being international as well.
Was wondering, would it be possible to produce a cheaper deck just for playing with friends? Maybe in the range of $5-$7 per deck? It can be unlimited and you always have them in stock, but with your own style in the design.
Just a suggestion :P
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Always learning...
Yellow/blue looked neat, but Cool, either way.
Will these be sold from the Kingswildproject website?
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The yellow and blue look great and I would definitely purchase. The regular blue ones aren't interesting enough to pay twice or three times the price of standard Tally's.
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The wait is OVER.... They are live!
www.kingswildfunded.com
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They are LIVE and KICKING @$$! :D
Dude, 6 people bought a gross!
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Actually, what we know is that 6 gross have been bought, not that 6 people bought 1 gross.
/bama
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Actually, what we know is that 6 gross have been bought, not that 6 people bought 1 gross.
/bama
Excellent point. While it's possible that each gross was purchased by a single individual, it's also possible that at least some were purchased by more than one individual purchasing for the discount. It's also possible that someone loved the deck so much (or plans to resell it in quantity) that they bought more than one gross, perhaps even as many as six.
The data given are insufficient to draw any conclusions other than that given by Bamabenz.
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Correct. The way my system works is it displays how many specific deck/bricks/gross have been claimed not so much the number of backers.
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If we're going to split hairs, a quantity of six of the level of one gross have been purchased, not 6 gross have been purchased. The total purchased would be those 6 gross, plus all of the other levels, and add on decks, total.
:-)
That said, six of the gross quantity level sold is an amazingly strong showing so early in, although it is par for the course from a JR/KW deck. Kudos!
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Jackson so, are THESE and the Sherlock Decks the only decks you've done with the traditional cut?
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Just made my order.
It really pays to check out Kings Wild Project facebook as well.
A lot of good info there.
Congratulations Jackson. Almost 20k. Still 14 days to go.
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I'm not on Facebook. Mind sharing the useful information?
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Awwww, what happened to all the nice yellow detailing on the back?
I'm with Afrank8 what happened to the yellow Jackson? The card backs had much better depth and eye appeal with the yellow/blue combination.
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Awwww, what happened to all the nice yellow detailing on the back?
I'm with Afrank8 what happened to the yellow Jackson? The card backs had much better depth and eye appeal with the yellow/blue combination.
I'm saving the metallic gold and navy backs for the limited edition version of this deck.
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I posted this in the Funded comments, but it might have got lost in the flood of comments there.
Basically, I don't know if it was a design decision to be non uniform, but the pips look off. This is being your standard deck, you might want to consider the sizes of the pips compared to each other. If they were uniform, I think they would look much better. Currently, they all vary in size, especially in width. Here's a screenshot.
Your decks. You're the designer. Do what you will with this feedback.
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That's a design choice and probably something that Jackson that speak on more, but I don't think that the pip width always have to be exactly the same.
It matters more about how the pips are designed and whether they work as a unit and whether their width varies too much (ie. the diamond is super skinny while the club is super fat, but that too can be something done for design and the success will vary). I've got a few decks on my desk (full custom to standard to reprints) and the pip widths vary a bit. The diamond, more often than not, tends to be the skinniest while the club or hearts sometimes is the fattest of the pips. Sometimes trying to make them all the same width ends up making them worst.
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That's a design choice and probably something that Jackson that speak on more, but I don't think that the pip width always have to be exactly the same.
It matters more about how the pips are designed and whether they work as a unit and whether their width varies too much (ie. the diamond is super skinny while the club is super fat, but that too can be something done for design and the success will vary). I've got a few decks on my desk (full custom to standard to reprints) and the pip widths vary a bit. The diamond, more often than not, tends to be the skinniest while the club or hearts sometimes is the fattest of the pips. Sometimes trying to make them all the same width ends up making them worst.
Thanks for taking the time to answer. Fair enough.
I just scanned and checked a standard Tally Ho deck. The I'll attach a screenshot. However, the diamond on the Kings Wild version strikes me as overly skinny. The standard version is much closer to uniform. My humble suggestion: The Kings Wild Tally Ho diamond needs a little more width! :-[
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Awwww, what happened to all the nice yellow detailing on the back?
I'm with Afrank8 what happened to the yellow Jackson? The card backs had much better depth and eye appeal with the yellow/blue combination.
I'm saving the metallic gold and navy backs for the limited edition version of this deck.
Oooh limited edition! I agree that the gold and navy version looks vastly superior! How do I get my hands on a few of those?!
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Awwww, what happened to all the nice yellow detailing on the back?
I'm with Afrank8 what happened to the yellow Jackson? The card backs had much better depth and eye appeal with the yellow/blue combination.
I'm saving the metallic gold and navy backs for the limited edition version of this deck.
Oooh limited edition! I agree that the gold and navy version looks vastly superior! How do I get my hands on a few of those?!
I believe there's no solid release date for that yet, but when it becomes available, Jackson will definitely keep everyone informed.
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Thought I would give my 2 cents before this thread dies. I commend Jackson for doing his oWn project. He saved himself at least 5% Did I think his goal would reach $100,000 like a big dog on Kickstarter. Of course not, but that's not the model he is doing. But I think for the model to work it needs to be at least like Kickstarter then you can make it better. It needs to include upping your pledge at anytime or canceling it at anytime if you want too. It should be like buying stock. It needs a bit more flexibly than emailing you to cancel a pledge.
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Jackson,
I think the AoS is a bit unbalanced. The aces I'm looking at have threes lines of text at the bottom that the KWP version does not have, and I think the overall result is that the KWP version is a bit top-heavy.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10308376_315824278581859_4788314899936071403_n.jpg)
and
(http://www.leeasher.com/store/images/tally_ho/tally-ho-ace-big.jpg)
Then again maybe you're still figuring-out what the text should be on your version? :-\
/bama
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Jackson,
I think the AoS is a bit unbalanced. The aces I'm looking at have threes lines of text at the bottom that the KWP version does not have, and I think the overall result is that the KWP version is a bit top-heavy.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10308376_315824278581859_4788314899936071403_n.jpg)
and
(http://www.leeasher.com/store/images/tally_ho/tally-ho-ace-big.jpg)
Then again maybe you're still figuring-out what the text should be on your version? :-\
/bama
Good word, I was thinking about putting my city and state there instead of all the meaningless legal patent stuff.
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That'd be cool. Sorta like Apple does with "Designed in California".
It would also be a logical place to put something like 'First Edition 2014'.
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@Jackson - Your in like Flynn at the USPCC can you get a number? I guess it would start with "T" if you could. That would be better than that patent crap and relevant.
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dammit sprouts
It would be cool if you put something like "first edition" or your address in that space, but i think that if you kept the patent information, it would link the deck to a standard Tally-Ho deck better. Whatever you choose, it will still be an amazing deck!
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Thought I would give my 2 cents before this thread dies. I commend Jackson for doing his oWn project. He saved himself at least 5% Did I think his goal would reach $100,000 like a big dog on Kickstarter. Of course not, but that's not the model he is doing. But I think for the model to work it needs to be at least like Kickstarter then you can make it better. It needs to include upping your pledge at anytime or canceling it at anytime if you want too. It should be like buying stock. It needs a bit more flexibly than emailing you to cancel a pledge.
Russ, do you honestly think he's going to get all that many cancellations? Most of the people ordering this deck REALLY WANT THIS DECK and are practically drooling on their keyboards in anticipation. The few cancellations he receives will be perfectly suited for managing manually via his email as opposed to using some automated system.
Though I would agree about allowing people to raise their order before the project closes.
Good word, I was thinking about putting my city and state there instead of all the meaningless legal patent stuff.
I think that, perhaps with a "First Edition" marking of some kind, would be perfectly suited.
@Jackson - Your in like Flynn at the USPCC can you get a number? I guess it would start with "T" if you could. That would be better than that patent crap and relevant.
Anyone making a custom deck can get the AoS code treatment if they want. Few people want it, however. I see it on decks made by USPC for USPC and on the brass "Bicycle Steam Punk" deck - but not the other two colors, or at the least not the copper edition. It was also on Robocycle, which T11 made, but it was commission work for USPC, not their own baby. Seriously, why would one want the codes? They're cryptic.
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Quote from Don
"Anyone making a custom deck can get the AoS code treatment if they want. Few people want it, however. I see it on decks made by USPC for USPC and on the brass "Bicycle Steam Punk" deck - but not the other two colors, or at the least not the copper edition. It was also on Robocycle, which T11 made, but it was commission work for USPC, not their own baby. Seriously, why would one want the codes? They're cryptic."
And obsolete. Is a deck collector going to break the seal and check the number? I find it funny ppl are always trying to determine the age of old cards by the tax stamp. Today's tax stamp is a sticker. You would think you would want to put the date on the sticker, but stickers can be swapped. The year needs to be on the box and while we are at it put the manufacture and finish. Seems pretty simple. I like the way Jackson put "Smooth" on the front. That's different. Are all modern Tally-Ho decks smooth nowadays?
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I like the way Jackson put "Smooth" on the front. That's different. Are all modern Tally-Ho decks smooth nowadays?
Hmm? The KWP Tallys are embossed, just like it says on the tuck.
(http://www.jacksonbrobinson.com/TallyHo/Tuck.jpg)
The only decks (so far) that Jackson has produced that are smooth are The Independence LTD, and they say nothing on the tuck about it, as far as I can see
(http://jacksonbrobinson.com/KS/IND/LTDSet.jpg)
/bama
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One of the original concept renderings did have "Smooth" on the box. I changed directions when I decided to try and make a more widely accessible deck. I personally prefer smooth finish as it really brings out the detail of my line work in stead of obscuring it somewhat like the embossed finish.
The only deck have produced to this point that has a smooth finish IS the LTD Independence decks, and they are awesome! The art and line work is very clear.
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Quote from Don
"Anyone making a custom deck can get the AoS code treatment if they want. Few people want it, however. I see it on decks made by USPC for USPC and on the brass "Bicycle Steam Punk" deck - but not the other two colors, or at the least not the copper edition. It was also on Robocycle, which T11 made, but it was commission work for USPC, not their own baby. Seriously, why would one want the codes? They're cryptic."
And obsolete. Is a deck collector going to break the seal and check the number? I find it funny ppl are always trying to determine the age of old cards by the tax stamp. Today's tax stamp is a sticker. You would think you would want to put the date on the sticker, but stickers can be swapped. The year needs to be on the box and while we are at it put the manufacture and finish. Seems pretty simple. I like the way Jackson put "Smooth" on the front. That's different. Are all modern Tally-Ho decks smooth nowadays?
Many USPC-made decks DO have the year on the box. It's in the copyright info printed on the bottom.
This works well for short-run decks, but not so much for mass-produced models. The problem there is that USPC doesn't want to waste tucks if it doesn't have to. It's why there's still a fair number of decks with a tuck box marked "Cincinnati, OH" and a Guarantee Joker marked "Erlanger, KY". It won't matter what year the box was printed if the contents are from a different year. But at least modern decks have a longer version of the AoS code that can narrow down the time of year the deck was made as well as the year itself, and without needing to resort to a letter code chart. These days the code has a prefix of four digits. First two are the week of the year and last two identify the year that the deck was printed.
Simply put, for some decks, they'll never have an easily-identified date. How many years has it been since there's been an AoS code on a pack of Congress cards? USPC pre-prints the fronts en masse, leaving these sheets on a shelf before deciding what back design to put on it. They dropped the AoS code because the year letter and "lot number" (or whatever the extra numbers are) aren't determined until the back is printed as well, at which time the front is already "fixed in time" and code-less.
Modern Tally-Ho decks aren't smooth and I doubt they ever have been, at least not while I've been playing with cards. Theirs is advertised as the "Linoid Finish", which is just a fancy way of saying "embossed" these days.
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4 hours ago
Just got the Kings Wild Tally Ho decks in today, and they look awesome! For those of you who back the project on Kings Wild Funded we will start fulfilling your rewards sometime next week. If you were keeping an eye on the delivery date, that is almost three months early!
Jackson, I would be happy to pick my brick up at the 52+ convention.
Are these going to be available on KWP after fulfillment?
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