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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: badpete69 on January 14, 2014, 12:39:40 PM
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Been monitoring CARC daily for these babies. Just went live go go go
Adding link http://shop.conjuringarts.org/store/pc/Legends-V-2-0-c145.htm (http://shop.conjuringarts.org/store/pc/Legends-V-2-0-c145.htm)
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And...if you're UK/EU based our stock will be available to buy on Friday. http://jpplayingcards.co.uk/second-edition-legends-playing-cards
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LOL JP was just sending you a message as you wrote this good addittion
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LOL JP was just sending you a message as you wrote this good addittion
Great minds, and all that! :) Thanks Pete.
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235 Decks....seems like an odd number? Needless to say I grabbed a few.
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Landed 2 reds and a blue. Thanks for the heads up! Wonder why it's so few decks...
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Hand. I believe the red and blue decks were just a test deck or something. Check out the thread on the black legends for more details. Looking through a few old posts now
EDIT here I found the topic all is explained here
http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/legends-test-deck/msg84345/#msg84345 (http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/legends-test-deck/msg84345/#msg84345)
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But my question is: only 235 decks were produced at all? Or only 235 were available for CARC?
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235 is what is available from CARC. JP also has some for sale not quite sure how many. Overall not many were produced. I think Don knows the numbers. Plus check that link I posted above
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Just picked up a mixed brick. Wow, glad I saw my email when I did!
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I had the post up before the email...You should have said I am glad Pete posted this hehehehe. Funny thing been checking once a day on CARC to see if they were listing them. 2 days ago I saw the legends picture change so I knew it was close. Then this morning saw them with the coming soon banner , so was lurking a lot
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235 is what is available from CARC. JP also has some for sale not quite sure how many. Overall not many were produced. I think Don knows the numbers. Plus check that link I posted above
I remember this post but I didn't knew that he was so complete. Thank you very much.
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Just picked up a mixed brick. Wow, glad I saw my email when I did!
You paid $10.95 for one deck or better said $131,40 plus shipping for those castrated Legend decks?
I pass on this price tag... $7.95 for the Black V2.0 were okay and in a dozen it was $5 but $10.95 lol no!
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Just picked up a mixed brick. Wow, glad I saw my email when I did!
You paid $10.95 for one deck or better said $131,40 plus shipping for those castrated Legend decks?
I pass on this price tag... $7.95 for the Black V2.0 were okay and in a dozen it was $5 but $10.95 lol no!
I think the appeal that makes them worth it is there are straight up only 500 or so of these decks in existence (in each color). If the Legends brand continues to take off (which it should from everything i've heard), especially in Asia, these would be very valuable for posterity, potentially even more so than the 1st editions that were widely produced and distributed.
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But my question is: only 235 decks were produced at all? Or only 235 were available for CARC?
We have only released 235 (almost every deck we have on hand) but I expect a small quantity more to come in. But these might never make it and might be damaged when they do (both common scenarios unfortunately). The only way to guarantee you'll get a deck is to order them now.
Another poster complained the price is too high, and I agree. But with these small runs and, to be frank, paying Lawrence more for them this time, so we had to increase the price. This won't be the standard and we will always fight to offer decks at the best prices we can.
Also we changed how we handle shipping charges and I would be interested in any feedback from those who have bought now and also previously.
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Also we changed how we handle shipping charges and I would be interested in any feedback from those who have bought now and also previously.
When shipping was included, I could always get more (I did that with the Black Legends - placed an order and then an hour later decided to get another brick.)
This way, today I got 8 to make sure I got some, but with $5.95 in shipping I'm not going back to get anymore, even if I have second thoughts.
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Also we changed how we handle shipping charges and I would be interested in any feedback from those who have bought now and also previously.
When shipping was included, I could always get more (I did that with the Black Legends - placed an order and then an hour later decided to get another brick.)
This way, today I got 8 to make sure I got some, but with $5.95 in shipping I'm not going back to get anymore, even if I have second thoughts.
Although we don't explicitly state it on our website we always try to work with people on reducing the shipping as far as possible. We definitely don't like the idea of making money on shipping. This shipping method is an experiment and my preference has always been to include shipping in the price. But that works out better when we have brick or more prices and the guys buying 2 or 3 decks at the single deck postpaid price gets dinged a bit. Having said that we do respond to customers' requests about consolidating shipping and we do sometimes refund excess shipping paid, even when it's "included" in the price.
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I don't see too much of an issue, the shipping is in line with normal shipping rates, and as for the deck price....these are less than 1/4 of the Black versions print run.
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I picked up 6. Don't forget that since these aren't USPCC, they weren't printed at the 2,500 deck quantity so it's highly likely that there are only a few hundred of these in existence. I believe that they were a test deck, if I remember correctly, and my guess is that, since the previous 4 colors were printed at the same company, and it's not USPCC, that they would happily print them a test run of a few hundred decks. I don't believe that this is hype.
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Just picked up a mixed brick. Wow, glad I saw my email when I did!
You paid $10.95 for one deck or better said $131,40 plus shipping for those castrated Legend decks?
I pass on this price tag... $7.95 for the Black V2.0 were okay and in a dozen it was $5 but $10.95 lol no!
Ever since I found out they existed I wanted them. I emailed JP, tried working a deal. That did not work. Then I found out JP and CARC were releasing them at the same time a few days ago. The thing is, I only buy specific decks. If you compare me to other collectors that buy 2-4 of almost every release, I probably spend less then most a year when all is said and done.
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I picked up 6. Don't forget that since these aren't USPCC, they weren't printed at the 2,500 deck quantity so it's highly likely that there are only a few hundred of these in existence. I believe that they were a test deck, if I remember correctly, and my guess is that, since the previous 4 colors were printed at the same company, and it's not USPCC, that they would happily print them a test run of a few hundred decks. I don't believe that this is hype.
If I'm not mistaken, Lawrence made only 1,000 of each color, give or take a few. It's one of the reasons Bill is offering so few on his site and why JP will have a similarly small amount on hand. He originally didn't intend for these to hit wide circulation; they were just a test deck when they were made and it was only decided afterwards to sell them.
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And if you're a collector, you realize that many of those will be opened so unlike most hype-machine decks, this one can be considered on the rare side.
That would fit in line with the previous 4 versions that all were around 1,000 each.
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Looks more like orange than red. :)
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I think the sad thing is that I was hoping that they'd be more mass produced as I wanted one to play with. I think it's time to befriend Lawrence Sullivan! ;) Gotta make a trip to Hong Kong now.
The Blue Legends v2 looks amazing; the original V1 Blue Legends was beautiful and I'm glad to see they kept the same blue. I hope there's a V3 that's more mass-produced so I won't cringe when I open a deck of Legends playing cards.
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Also we changed how we handle shipping charges and I would be interested in any feedback from those who have bought now and also previously.
When shipping was included, I could always get more (I did that with the Black Legends - placed an order and then an hour later decided to get another brick.)
This way, today I got 8 to make sure I got some, but with $5.95 in shipping I'm not going back to get anymore, even if I have second thoughts.
Although we don't explicitly state it on our website we always try to work with people on reducing the shipping as far as possible. We definitely don't like the idea of making money on shipping. This shipping method is an experiment and my preference has always been to include shipping in the price. But that works out better when we have brick or more prices and the guys buying 2 or 3 decks at the single deck postpaid price gets dinged a bit. Having said that we do respond to customers' requests about consolidating shipping and we do sometimes refund excess shipping paid, even when it's "included" in the price.
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I'm not sure if is your new shipping method or what, but my last 2 orders with you guys cost me over $25 each in customs fees and I NEVER pay customs fees on playing cards or magic related stuff through USPC with any other company. Can you guys please do something about that? I can't be the only customer paying these ridiculous nonsense fees!
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Well done to everyone that snapped up some of these... because I've just checked CARC, and both the red and blue V2 Legends are showing as out of stock.
I was at work when I received the e-mail... and I thought I'd missed them, because two hours had passed since the e-mail had arrived! Luckily they still were in stock when I checked at the time. I picked up a mixed brick, and although UK customs will tear me a new one, I figured that I'd probably not get another chance to buy a brick of them ever again (I'll hopefully buy 6 more when they go on sale over at JP this Friday).
I loved the black V2s, and these look just as awesome also. Definitely a 'must have' for my collection.
Mr Kalush asked for feedback on the change in how shipping is handled. For what it's worth, I prefer this new way. Previously I'd purchased 3 sets of red and blue exquisites, and seeing as they were sent in a single package, I ended up paying more for shipping than what the actual cost ended up being. Seeing as there was no way of combining the shipping using the old way, it wasn't particularly cool for me. This new way resolves that problem. Thumbs up from me :D
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Well I don't know if it is the new shipping method or not, all I know is my last 2 orders, Black Legends & Exquisites and then the Erdnase pack, cost me a bunch of customs fees which I never had to pay before. Perhaps they should simply ship packages as "gifts" to avoid this if they aren't doing so.
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Perhaps they should simply ship packages as "gifts" to avoid this if they aren't doing so.
If you get caught falsely declaring packages as gifts, you'll get slapped with a fine. CARC aren't gonna do that to save you a couple of bucks.
I tried buying a mixed half-brick of these beauties when I read the email, but for some reason my payment wasn't accepted. Has it got anything to do with me being from Singapore?
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And if you're a collector, you realize that many of those will be opened so unlike most hype-machine decks, this one can be considered on the rare side.
That would fit in line with the previous 4 versions that all were around 1,000 each.
Four versions?? There's been only two, each in three colors!
Looks more like orange than red. :)
No, it's red.
I think the sad thing is that I was hoping that they'd be more mass produced as I wanted one to play with. I think it's time to befriend Lawrence Sullivan! ;) Gotta make a trip to Hong Kong now.
The Blue Legends v2 looks amazing; the original V1 Blue Legends was beautiful and I'm glad to see they kept the same blue. I hope there's a V3 that's more mass-produced so I won't cringe when I open a deck of Legends playing cards.
That's the general idea. Lawrence wants this to become a staple deck in Asia, much like Bicycle is here in the States. Ambitious, but he could at least make a nice dent in the market, I'm sure.
Well I don't know if it is the new shipping method or not, all I know is my last 2 orders, Black Legends & Exquisites and then the Erdnase pack, cost me a bunch of customs fees which I never had to pay before. Perhaps they should simply ship packages as "gifts" to avoid this if they aren't doing so.
You're not very well-versed in Customs laws, are you, Victor? If they did indeed do that just for you, this message alone would constitute evidence enough to charge you with conspiracy to evade Customs duties and tax evasion. Governments tend to frown on such things... :))
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Just out of curiosity, how much was international shipping for 2 decks?
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Just out of curiosity, how much was international shipping for 2 decks?
I can't say, since you can't pull up the shipping costs for a sold-out product on the site.
This, however, is the shipping costs of a previous release, the Global Titans - it should give you some idea of what international shipping costs from CARC:
Member pricing (includes shipping!)(Members must log in for discounted pricing):
Domestic:
1 deck = $7.99 ($4.49 + $3.50 shipping)
12 decks = $49.99 (Postpaid! Just $4.17/deck!)
144 decks = $499 (Postpaid! Just $3.47/deck!)
Canada:
1 deck = $13.99 ($4.49 + $9.50 shipping)
12 decks = $72.49 ($49.99 + $22.50 shipping; $6.04/deck)
144 decks = $630.50 ($499 + $131.50 shipping; only $4.38/deck!)
International:
1 deck = $15.99 ($4.49 + $11.50 shipping)
12 decks = $76.49 ($49.99 + $26.50 shipping; $6.37/deck)
144 decks= $680.50 ($499 + $181.50 shipping, only $4.73/deck!)
Non-member pricing (includes shipping!):
Domestic:
1 deck = $8.45 ($4.95 + $3.50 shipping)
12 decks = $54.99 (Postpaid! Just $4.58/deck!)
144 decks = $574 (Postpaid! Just $3.99/deck!)
Canada:
1 deck = $14.45 ($4.95 + $9.50 shipping)
12 decks = $77.49 ($54.99 + $22.50 shipping; $6.46/deck)
144 decks = $705.50 ($574 + $131.50 shipping; only $4.90/deck!)
International:
1 deck = $16.45 ($4.95 + $11.50 shipping)
12 decks = $81.49 ($54.99 + $26.50 shipping; $6.79/deck)
144 decks= $755.50 ($574 + $181.50 shipping, only $5.25/deck!)
*Conjuring Arts is not responsible for items shipped without insurance. Conjuring Arts policy is to always state the actual cost of items shipped on the customs form.
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Perhaps versions is the wrong word, but it's the way that I think of different decks. Three colors in the first edition, and then black. 4 different decks before these. That's 4 versions to me. Of course, not including these two.
V.1 and V.2 X 3 colors each. I knew what I was saying, you were supposed to read my mind!
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Thanks Don. Shipping is quite pricey but for $5 a deck + domestic shipping, I guess it makes sense. From what I read in this thread, it's good they decided to combine shipping costs. That was one of my complaints when I tried to buy Exquisites.
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I knew what I was saying, you were supposed to read my mind!
Sorry - my crystal ball is in my other pants...
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Gosh darn it! I've been sick this week and just now logged on to check my email. Missed it.
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Even sick I log on every day. You never know hehe. But I am sure you will be able to pick some up on ebay or you can try JP Middleton store. His decks go on sale friday i do believe
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I'm not sure if is your new shipping method or what, but my last 2 orders with you guys cost me over $25 each in customs fees and I NEVER pay customs fees on playing cards or magic related stuff through USPC with any other company. Can you guys please do something about that? I can't be the only customer paying these ridiculous nonsense fees!
I'm afraid there is no new shipping method, only how we charge, which is either with shipping included in the price, or shipping separated out.
We ship nearly everything via USPS (and have always done so) and we always state the actual cost of goods on the customs forms. As we are a Federally approved 501(c)3 U.S. non-profit we can't risk fudging on things like customs declarations. Any ridiculous customs you pay goes directly to your government and I'm afraid we can't influence their rules as well as you can. My only advice is to take up the "ridiculous nonsense fees" with your government representative, if you have one.
I tried buying a mixed half-brick of these beauties when I read the email, but for some reason my payment wasn't accepted. Has it got anything to do with me being from Singapore?
I'm sorry about that but for some unknown reason people in Singapore aren't allowed to paypal to a charity or non-profit in the U.S. In the future write to ricky@conjuringarts.org and tell him you are in Singapore and we can give you another paypal account you can pay to and you won't have to miss out. Also, we are praying the lost box of decks will come in the mail one day and we will be able to release a few more (not too many) of the Legends V-2 Red and Blue decks. I'll keep you all posted.
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I'm not sure if is your new shipping method or what, but my last 2 orders with you guys cost me over $25 each in customs fees and I NEVER pay customs fees on playing cards or magic related stuff through USPC with any other company. Can you guys please do something about that? I can't be the only customer paying these ridiculous nonsense fees!
Nope they will not. I had mailed them and asked about declaring my parcel just $5 lower..nope no chance.Had to pay $11 customs fees.
Theory11, D$D , TBC etc. they all help you out...but not CARC.
So if you are a international customer you have a tough time...expensive shipping cost by the USPS and then on top of the total 19-20% customs fees. Hallejula!
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Also, we are praying the lost box of decks will come in the mail one day and we will be able to release a few more (not too many) of the Legends V-2 Red and Blue decks. I'll keep you all posted.
Shipping transportation have accidents all the time. Looks like those Somali Pirates will have some nice playing cards.
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I'm not sure if is your new shipping method or what, but my last 2 orders with you guys cost me over $25 each in customs fees and I NEVER pay customs fees on playing cards or magic related stuff through USPC with any other company. Can you guys please do something about that? I can't be the only customer paying these ridiculous nonsense fees!
Nope they will not. I had mailed them and asked about declaring my parcel just $5 lower..nope no chance.Had to pay $11 customs fees.
Theory11, D$D , TBC etc. they all help you out...but not CARC.
So if you are a international customer you have a tough time...expensive shipping cost by the USPS and then on top of the total 19-20% customs fees. Hallejula!
Hmmm I'm from the Uk, I've purchased from CARC many a time before and I've never had to pay customs. Ellusionist packages I've had to pay customs in the past.
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Customs and duty (to the UK) are officially due on ALL purchases of the value of £15 or more, but realistically - I honestly believe it depends on what staff are working on any given day. Essentially if they're good at their job, you'll get the correct charge applied - if they're not so good, it will probably get through without a customs charge.
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These are up now at JP Playing Cards. Scored a few! :)
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Got mine from CARC yesterday.. That was fast
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Half the stock has gone in the first half an hour folks, be quick if you still want some.
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As I noted, I got three of these, one to play with, and one of each color to hold on to. This is my first legends deck - everything about them is excellent, but I personally had some trouble faroing them out of the box...I probably need to work on my faroing technique Other than that - design is wonderful, handling is exceptional, perfect perfect perfect width of the borders. Love the AoS, one Joker, one blank card. Great deck!
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As I noted, I got three of these, one to play with, and one of each color to hold on to. This is my first legends deck - everything about them is excellent, but I personally had some trouble faroing them out of the box...I probably need to work on my faroing technique Other than that - design is wonderful, handling is exceptional, perfect perfect perfect width of the borders. Love the AoS, one Joker, one blank card. Great deck!
I'm really pleased you like them. Lawrence and I have some big things planned for this year including introducing some new finishes etc, and I think you like them.
The Legends and Exquisites general can faro easily either from top down or bottom up right out of the box. Whereas the traditionally cut USPCC decks faro bottom up and the all those other USPCC decks faro top down. For table faros most cardmen want the decks traditionally cut. The legends should work perfectly right out of the box regardless of your preference. If you want help with your technique look up some of Derek Dingle's ideas in his big book. He showed me a little finger buffer technique that gives you perfect control and makes the shuffle much easier.
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As I noted, I got three of these, one to play with, and one of each color to hold on to. This is my first legends deck - everything about them is excellent, but I personally had some trouble faroing them out of the box...I probably need to work on my faroing technique Other than that - design is wonderful, handling is exceptional, perfect perfect perfect width of the borders. Love the AoS, one Joker, one blank card. Great deck!
I'm really pleased you like them. Lawrence and I have some big things planned for this year including introducing some new finishes etc, and I think you like them.
The Legends and Exquisites general can faro easily either from top down or bottom up right out of the box. Whereas the traditionally cut USPCC decks faro bottom up and the all those other USPCC decks faro top down. For table faros most cardmen want the decks traditionally cut. The legends should work perfectly right out of the box regardless of your preference. If you want help with your technique look up some of Derek Dingle's ideas in his big book. He showed me a little finger buffer technique that gives you perfect control and makes the shuffle much easier.
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That's exactly what I need. It's definitely on me, once I broke them in a bit I got them to faro no problem, so my technique isn't quite there yet.
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I placed two orders for these with CARC (sequential order numbers). Had a change of heart and decided to get more. Extra shipping but oh well. My first order shipped and I received them on Friday. My second order hasn't even shipped. Weird!
I'm very pleased with them and the 5 colors make a nice looking set.
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I'm very pleased with them and the 5 colors make a nice looking set.
5? Don't you mean 6?
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I'm very pleased with them and the 5 colors make a nice looking set.
5? Don't you mean 6?
I think he means 4 colors, 6 decks. Red, Blue, Green & Black. The Red & Blue were used for both 1st and V2 editions.
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I'm very pleased with them and the 5 colors make a nice looking set.
5? Don't you mean 6?
I think he means 4 colors, 6 decks. Red, Blue, Green & Black. The Red & Blue were used for both 1st and V2 editions.
That still doesn't make 5 decks though...
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I'm very pleased with them and the 5 colors make a nice looking set.
5? Don't you mean 6?
I think he means 4 colors, 6 decks. Red, Blue, Green & Black. The Red & Blue were used for both 1st and V2 editions.
That still doesn't make 5 decks though...
True. For him the 5 of 6 he owns, makes a set. It's just not the complete set. :)
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I got mine today from good old jpplaying cards :) ordered Friday evening. That window on the tuck box has really grown on me.
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I did mean 6, the complete set. I just miscounted. Senior moment! ;-)
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I'm surprised these are still available at JP's. The last time I looked, they had 15 (each color) left in stock? They should be gone by the end of the week.
They're still not reaching a mainstream audience. Playing Cards in general OUTSIDE of the community are a "buy on need" type of product. However, I would have thought the communities response would have been much greater. There are still barriers of devoted USPCC users to break through in the community.
I would have used the V2 as demographic test also. Were these available OR released into the Asian market? Whats the general consensus of an American designed (Stutzman) product in the Asian market? I believe these are all concerns Lawrence should be looking into. As much as I would love to believe its an open market in terms of importing and exporting goods. U.S. imports more then it exports. Some of that has to do with cultural acceptance of American small business. Will this product be seen as a Taiwanese (Asian) product or an American product (Stutzman)?
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I'm surprised these are still available at JP's. The last time I looked, they had 15 (each color) left in stock? They should be gone by the end of the week.
They're still not reaching a mainstream audience. Playing Cards in general OUTSIDE of the community are a "buy on need" type of product. However, I would have thought the communities response would have been much greater. There are still barriers of devoted USPCC users to break through in the community.
I would have used the V2 as demographic test also. Were these available OR released into the Asian market? Whats the general consensus of an American designed (Stutzman) product in the Asian market? I believe these are all concerns Lawrence should be looking into. As much as I would love to believe its an open market in terms of importing and exporting goods. U.S. imports more then it exports. Some of that has to do with cultural acceptance of American small business. Will this product be seen as a Taiwanese (Asian) product or an American product (Stutzman)?
You might be missing the boat. There was almost no promotion of the deck and it was only available through two sources. I think being available for 5 days after release is just fine.
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I'm surprised these are still available at JP's. The last time I looked, they had 15 (each color) left in stock? They should be gone by the end of the week.
As of today, he's got 7 left in stock (6 x blue 1 x red) they'll go in due time, there's no rush :)
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I think the sad thing is that I was hoping that they'd be more mass produced as I wanted one to play with. I think it's time to befriend Lawrence Sullivan! ;) Gotta make a trip to Hong Kong now.
The Blue Legends v2 looks amazing; the original V1 Blue Legends was beautiful and I'm glad to see they kept the same blue. I hope there's a V3 that's more mass-produced so I won't cringe when I open a deck of Legends playing cards.
I think that's the plan. Since the seal already uses the Chinese translation for "poker" I hope the Asian mass produced decks (v3) do a full translation on the tuck box. Legends = 传奇 Diamond Cut = 钻石切工 etc... I think the Asian V3 will be quite collectible here in the U.S. just because of our visual brand recognition of legends already. It also should help make the cultural transition of the brand more acceptable.
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As of a few moments ago they're now sold out. They were available for just over 3 days and I did my best to be fair to various regular customers who have been interested in these for some time. With a limit on how many decks can be purchased by any one customer - they were never going to sell out instantly.
Don't forget I'm just a small UK stockist in comparison to the customer/membership base CARC has.