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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Frost on December 30, 2013, 08:16:30 PM
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i don't know if there's a thread for this deck already but they put out another picture ?
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I saw this on Facebook. I don't remember a thread for it, though. Some people commented that it looks like a cigarette pack. I think it looks nice, but now I can't help but think of cigarettes when I see it.
EDIT: This was in response to the second picture. The first one, showing the sideways tuck, doesn't look like a cigarette box to me. :P
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I will get this for the box alone.
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Well it's definitely a sleek tuck box, let's hope what's inside is just as slick. Looking forward to seeing more.
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http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/new-deck-dd-(unknown)/
I think this may be the deck that I reported on in this thread.
Cool cards. Has the centre piece of the back of the Smoke and Mirrors on the tuck...
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I spotted the smoke and mirror reference also. But I doubt it is the turquoise deck. Maybe a new pack jacket which comes with a new deck.
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*sigh*
I hope it's not another $7 deck. :(
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I spotted the smoke and mirror reference also. But I doubt it is the turquoise deck. Maybe a new pack jacket which comes with a new deck.
Pack Jackets are meant to hold a boxed deck inside of them, not a loose deck - though I supposed one could do that. Anyway, that's not a typical Pack Jacket design - they have a large flap that either goes under an elastic band or has a tab at the end that goes into a slot at the bottom of the box. No flip-tops yet, at least not that I've seen.
And either way, this DOESN'T appear to be the same deck from the other thread.
We'll probably know what it is on Wednesday, for those of us who managed to avoid getting into an alcohol-induced stupor Tuesday night!
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I spotted the smoke and mirror reference also. But I doubt it is the turquoise deck. Maybe a new pack jacket which comes with a new deck.
Pack Jackets are meant to hold a boxed deck inside of them, not a loose deck - though I supposed one could do that. Anyway, that's not a typical Pack Jacket design - they have a large flap that either goes under an elastic band or has a tab at the end that goes into a slot at the bottom of the box. No flip-tops yet, at least not that I've seen.
And either way, this DOESN'T appear to be the same deck from the other thread.
We'll probably know what it is on Wednesday, for those of us who managed to avoid getting into an alcohol-induced stupor Tuesday night!
This looks like an exquisite style tuck box with foil wrapped cards inside. Obvious, I know but no one else said it.
These look very interesting. Could be a new brand of D&D signature decks. Possibly moving forward from smoke and mirror.
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Wow. The cigarette design references must be deliberate. The cut of the lid is functional but the addition of foil, the cut-out of that particular shape and overall design sure does make them look a lot like cigarettes.
The opening mechanism will be nice to use, quick and no messing around tucking in a flap. But smokers will confirm that cigarette packets tend to get torn along the fold line well before the box is empty. I guess the card will be a little thicker so perhaps this effect will be no worse than the corner curl on a normal deck.
Fascinating design decision. I personally like it but am a little worried about the tobacco reference.
Don't smoke!
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But all the gambling and drinking references are ok...
(I personally have no problems with just about anything anyone wants to so with their own body; I'm just playing devils advocate here).
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Someone revealed on the DOTM topic that these flip-top deck are just ANOTHER version of Smoke and Mirrors... They're not moving past S&M, they're moving into the past! Final edition, indeed...
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Someone revealed on the DOTM topic that these flip-top deck are just ANOTHER version of Smoke and Mirrors... They're not moving past S&M, they're moving into the past! Final edition, indeed...
D&D re-tweeted this... https://twitter.com/AndyAndinoJr/status/418853052091625474 (https://twitter.com/AndyAndinoJr/status/418853052091625474)
Gold Smoke and Mirrors, wrapped in gold foil and a swanky tuck box.
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I will eat my hat if it is an actual Gold Smoke and Mirrors deck inside that foil...
Is it really?
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Ah, damn. The tuck box looked pretty nice, I was hoping for a design that was somewhat original. I have none of the S&M decks because I don't really like D&D plastering their initials on the back. Sometimes I get the impression they're funding their own personal vanity projects by selling them to fans. Strange stuff. I think the vintage plaid was their best recent release. The Fulton casino cards (mock Jerrys) are also nice, but I believe I understand Brad Fulton from Penguin was involved in that, and I don't really love the custom pip work they did on it.
Gold S&M. Bah, humbug.
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Someone revealed on the DOTM topic that these flip-top deck are just ANOTHER version of Smoke and Mirrors... They're not moving past S&M, they're moving into the past! Final edition, indeed...
Wow, I was thinking the same exact thing, these guys really have a hard time letting go. I understand it was a huge brand for you, but for the love of god, get a little creative with the card design, use this amazing tuck, and start something new!
Let the "Smoke" finally clear, lol
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I will eat my hat if it is an actual Gold Smoke and Mirrors deck inside that foil...
Is it really?
No need to ruin a good hat! lol
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Gotta love it.......
And here they are http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/ (http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/)
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The box is innovative and lovely, but for goodness sakes guys, let's do something new with the cards! Clearly my design thinking is totally wrong and you build a gigantic fan base by doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over (was that enough overs, how many colors of this deck are there now...?)
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The box is innovative and lovely, but for goodness sakes guys, let's do something new with the cards! Clearly my design thinking is totally wrong and you build a gigantic fan base by doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over (was that enough overs, how many colors of this deck are there now...?)
I think this would be 7, if you consider Carbon a color, lol, maybe this was there silent protest to Purple ;D
(Black, White, Green, Blue, Red, Carbon and now Gold)
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The box is innovative and lovely, but for goodness sakes guys, let's do something new with the cards! Clearly my design thinking is totally wrong and you build a gigantic fan base by doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over (was that enough overs, how many colors of this deck are there now...?)
I think this would be 7, if you consider Carbon a color, lol, maybe this was there silent protest to Purple ;D
(Black, White, Green, Blue, Red, Carbon and now Gold)
This would be 8. Carbon Deluxe Edition was 7.
1 - 3 were alterations of the Black and White. Denim, Eco and Rouge were 4, 5 & 6.
It gets confusing for some because only 6 colors are in the deluxe box set. If I remember correctly, the deluxe set White is v1 and the deluxe set Black is v3.
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Who's buying all of these versions, and why? It's not a great design in the first place but with a quantity of 2,500 or 5,000 per deck, times 7 previous versions...who has all of these stockpiled?I know that they aren't all sold, but you get my point. I hoard some decks (and you all would laugh at me for it, and that's fair, but good Lord, 8 versions of basically the same thing, just some different, and unique, colors? OK, it's in a new box. Will they re-release everything in a pack jacket now? What am I missing here...why are these (seemingly) so popular? I'm baffled...
BTW, I'm not hating on them or anyone who loves/buys them, I Just honestly don't understand their appeal, at least where there are a bazillion (approximately) color variations.
The human eye can see 16.7 million colors...D&D and well on their way to covering that palette.
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Who's buying all of these versions, and why? It's not a great design in the first place but with a quantity of 2,500 or 5,000 per deck, times 7 previous versions...who has all of these stockpiled?I know that they aren't all sold, but you get my point. I hoard some decks (and you all would laugh at me for it, and that's fair, but good Lord, 8 versions of basically the same thing, just some different, and unique, colors? OK, it's in a new box. Will they re-release everything in a pack jacket now? What am I missing here...why are these (seemingly) so popular? I'm baffled...
BTW, I'm not hating on them or anyone who loves/buys them, I Just honestly don't understand their appeal, at least where there are a bazillion (approximately) color variations.
The human eye can see 16.7 million colors...D&D and well on their way to covering that palette.
The original 1 - 6 were all sold out. The ones you see on the D&D website are v7 versions of 1, 3 - 6.
I don't own any of the original S&M's. I do own 2 deluxe box sets. The Bucks & Ellusionist (more so Ellusionist) have become founding fathers of this custom playing card collecting culture as we know it. The S&M's are highly collectible. Yes, 4 - 7 are a fairly simplistic design but people like them.
Lets not forget the biggest factor of S&M. Some here always forget about.
Si Scott.
I do believe had D&D created another brand of signature decks at this point, they would have been as successful. That has much to do with who they have become now, then a deck design. For that reason, I don't understand why they keep going to the S&M water well.
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To be fair the first 3 editions had a different back design.
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Okay, guys. I'm confused. Are version #s (like v1, v2, etc.) not the same as the color variations? I thought that's what v1, v2, etc meant, but it seems like there's v1 1-6, then v2 1-6, and so on...?
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Okay, guys. I'm confused. Are version #s (like v1, v2, etc.) not the same as the color variations? I thought that's what v1, v2, etc meant, but it seems like there's v1 1-6, then v2 1-6, and so on...?
There is an original v1-6 v7 was an entire box set a remake of v3-6 plus the new carbon deck.
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Okay, guys. I'm confused. Are version #s (like v1, v2, etc.) not the same as the color variations? I thought that's what v1, v2, etc meant, but it seems like there's v1 1-6, then v2 1-6, and so on...?
Let's take it from the top, shall we?
V1 - First edition. Two decks in black (Mirror deck) and white (Smoke deck). No deck seal.
V2 - Special edition. Same as above with slight back design changes.
V3 - Luxury edition. Same as above with slight back design changes.
http://playingcards.wikidot.com/smoke-mirror:v1-v2-v3
V4 - Eco edition. Pre-released at a convention with a D&D sticker deck seal, later released without sticker for sale at large. One deck in green, stripped down design.
V5 - Paper denim edition. Same design as v4 but in green BLUE. No deck seal.
V6 - Rouge edition. Same as above but in red.
V7 - the "farewell tribute", featuring reprints of v3 (both), v4, v5 and v6, plus the new Carbon deck of the same design as 4-7. These decks had perforated deck seals and standard faces instead of the unique S&M face design.
Reserve Edition: whatever the hell this thing is...
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V5 - Paper denim edition. Same design as v4 but in green. No deck seal.
I think this might be one of the few times anyone can correctly correct Don. ;D ... But do you mean "V5 - Paper denim edition. Same design as v4 but in blue. No deck seal.."?
I think the Reserve Edition would, honestly, mean anything if it was only sent out to DOTM members and for contest/giveaway and are the Buck Twins' private stock. If it's just being sold like any other S&M, then it honestly doesn't mean much besides just fancy advertisement. But honestly, I do love the packaging in this deck. It is amazing, but it's just sad it's another re-colour.
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Okay, guys. I'm confused. Are version #s (like v1, v2, etc.) not the same as the color variations? I thought that's what v1, v2, etc meant, but it seems like there's v1 1-6, then v2 1-6, and so on...?
There is an original v1-6 v7 was an entire box set a remake of v3-6 plus the new carbon deck.
Okay, guys. I'm confused. Are version #s (like v1, v2, etc.) not the same as the color variations? I thought that's what v1, v2, etc meant, but it seems like there's v1 1-6, then v2 1-6, and so on...?
Let's take it from the top, shall we?
V1 - First edition. Two decks in black (Mirror deck) and white (Smoke deck). No deck seal.
V2 - Special edition. Same as above with slight back design changes.
V3 - Luxury edition. Same as above with slight back design changes.
http://playingcards.wikidot.com/smoke-mirror:v1-v2-v3
V4 - Eco edition. Pre-released at a convention with a D&D sticker deck seal, later released without sticker for sale at large. One deck in green, stripped down design.
V5 - Paper denim edition. Same design as v4 but in green. No deck seal.
V6 - Rouge edition. Same as above but in red.
V7 - the "farewell tribute", featuring reprints of v3 (both), v4, v5 and v6, plus the new Carbon deck of the same design as 4-7. These decks had perforated deck seals and standard faces instead of the unique S&M face design.
Reserve Edition: whatever the hell this thing is...
Thanks so much for the clarification, Gunshy1 and Don! :)
I'm a new collector and I don't have any of the smoke and mirrors decks. If I were to get one, I would get this version. I have a thing for white and gold decks...
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Gotta love it.......
And here they are http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/ (http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/)
I shall eat my hat now...
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Gotta love it.......
And here they are http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/ (http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/)
I shall eat my hat now...
Prove it!
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Gotta love it.......
And here they are http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/ (http://loopcuts.com/smoke-mirror-gold-reserve/)
I shall eat my hat now...
Prove it!
Errrrm... Take my word for it.
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V5 - Paper denim edition. Same design as v4 but in green. No deck seal.
I think this might be one of the few times anyone can correctly correct Don. ;D ... But do you mean "V5 - Paper denim edition. Same design as v4 but in blue. No deck seal.."?
I think the Reserve Edition would, honestly, mean anything if it was only sent out to DOTM members and for contest/giveaway and are the Buck Twins' private stock. If it's just being sold like any other S&M, then it honestly doesn't mean much besides just fancy advertisement. But honestly, I do love the packaging in this deck. It is amazing, but it's just sad it's another re-colour.
I get corrected often. I'm not infallible. That was a simple typo, but I've been wrong on facts as well. My ego doesn't get in the way of my desire to know the truth.
It's a shame, indeed. But as long as there's sheeple to buy, there's people to sell. Gorgeous box, boring deck, made even more so by stripping away the unique S&M faces. But hey, it's SHINY! Woo AND hoo!
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I do think the tuck is interesting, although I have some reservations. Seems like there is a trend to the side opening tuck design. This one I don't really like, especially after the cigarette reference, also specifically dislike the perforations. It takes the nice clean lines of the box and creates perforations marks. <referencing the better pictures on loops link of the unopened tuck front & back> So after the box has been opened I image you would be left with these small tuff/tabs sticking out make an otherwise elegant box look cheap. I can not say I am an expert tuck box designer, but I would have liked to see cleaner lines and edges to the tuck flap like a clean pre-creased hinge and not have the front sealed with those perforations.
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I just wish people would drop the "cigarette box" references. Does it vaguely resemble a cigarette box? Sure, but perhaps from days gone by. It's just a flip-top box - and it's not even the first deck to employ a flip-top box, though it is to my knowledge the first to do so and be side-loading, at least among modern custom decks. Bent Castle Workshops released their Pegleg Pete decks, Extraordinary Voyages decks and I think a few more using just such a box. The construction of the BCW boxes is insanely sturdy, with walls that are thicker and stronger than on any measly old tuck box I've ever seen. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this deck's box had similar construction properties.
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It's not just the box, it's also the gold foil that makes it look like cigarettes.
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It's not a very practical tuck design though, is it? The connection point of the flap/top will probably get worn pretty quickly from all the bending because you have to bend it really far back to get the whole deck out, even more so since it's angled downwards.
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It's not just the box, it's also the gold foil that makes it look like cigarettes.
Early decks were often wrapped in the same fashion, though more frequently with vellum or similar, and going back further than the age of machine-rolled cigarettes.
It's not a very practical tuck design though, is it? The connection point of the flap/top will probably get worn pretty quickly from all the bending because you have to bend it really far back to get the whole deck out, even more so since it's angled downwards.
I haven't had that problem with the BCW decks, but they used a REALLY, REALLY thick paper for it, practically like cardboard. These don't look that thick.
It's a pretty box, but I can see where it's not the most practical. I mean, I never see that kind of wear you're talking about on a flip-top cigarette box, but then again, that box only needs to last for twenty cigarettes. One would hope these would last longer.
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This deck is not intended for public release. Elliott posted on Loopcuts and Dave said it on Coffee. But just between us, I still think these will hit the market at one point or another.
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Marketing 101. Limit accessibility to increase desire. They're printing the cards, releasing detailed pics and saying, look how nice these are, aren't they just dandy? Oh, and BTW, you can't have them. They're for our super secret squirrel club, never to be released to the general public.
They will release some in a limited method, part of their mixed bricks or buy XXX amount and get our Secret Squirrel S&M deck free. Then sometime later there will be the statement, "Due to popular demand, and that we just happened to "find" some crates in our warehouse, right by the front door, marked 'To be released to general public on XX Date' we will be releasing these to you all. Just $44.95 a deck, get 'em now while they last as we won't be printing any more S&M decks." ::)
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Marketing 101. Limit accessibility to increase desire. They're printing the cards, releasing detailed pics and saying, look how nice these are, aren't they just dandy? Oh, and BTW, you can't have them. They're for our super secret squirrel club, never to be released to the general public.
They will release some in a limited method, part of their mixed bricks or buy XXX amount and get our Secret Squirrel S&M deck free. Then sometime later there will be the statement, "Due to popular demand, and that we just happened to "find" some crates in our warehouse, right by the front door, marked 'To be released to general public on XX Date' we will be releasing these to you all. Just $44.95 a deck, get 'em now while they last as we won't be printing any more S&M decks." ::)
I have not bought a deck from D&D since the New Fan Back release.
Who do you think makes more money? D&D by making this rare deck and only allowing a few people to get ONE OR Ellusionist who let's people have more then one rare deck as long as they buy a brick or join black club? Seems to me if D&D wants to make money let the customers have a chance to get some. There is a perfect price for every product to maximize total income. $44.95 On ITS OWN would not maximize income because it would stop some from buying them. It would also take much longer to sell them. You have to strike while the product is hot in this industry. I'm sure D&D has the math worked out.
If it were me, a killer promotion for D&D would be giving one Gold Reserve away with every Juan Tamariz DVD Set. I was already going to pick up the DVD set anyway. Adding a free deck would kick some major ass!
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Chach hit the nail on the head. Stoke demand through exclusivity. They're probably jealous of Club 808 and E's Black Club. Their club was never even close to being as popular.
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I just wish people would drop the "cigarette box" references. Does it vaguely resemble a cigarette box? Sure, but perhaps from days gone by.
But the "Smoke" and Mirrors puns are just too good to resist. ;D
That being said, it almost looks like you need to tear along a 3-point perforation to open it. Actually kind of cool.
The gold foil reminds me of the Arrco Tahoes. Maybe they were trying to emulate those?
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I just wish people would drop the "cigarette box" references. Does it vaguely resemble a cigarette box? Sure, but perhaps from days gone by.
They actually said on Coffee that it was modelled after vintage cigarette boxes.
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I guess I'm the only one that liked the Bruce Lee release lol.
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I guess I'm the only one that liked the Bruce Lee release lol.
No it grew on me over time. I quite like it now actually.
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Anyone know if these are factory sealed in cellophane?
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I'm bumping this somewhat old topic up because Dan and Dave just posted a pic of this deck on instagram three hours ago and I was just curious - does anyone know if they're giving these decks way in other promotions? Or if new members of the Deck of the Month Club will be able to obtain it this month?
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I was told it would be part of a promotion.
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I was told it would be part of a promotion.
Okay, cool. I hope it's a reward we get for purchasing something. I'm not good with anything that requires luck. Lol.
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I'm bumping this somewhat old topic up because Dan and Dave just posted a pic of this deck on instagram three hours ago and I was just curious - does anyone know if they're giving these decks way in other promotions? Or if new members of the Deck of the Month Club will be able to obtain it this month?
I know new members of the DOTM club are NOT getting the deck. I thought that too but if you look at the DOTM page is says all decks are shipped the first week of the month. If you were to join the second week of January your first DOTM would not ship until February. Only January 1st members got it for DOTM.
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Anyone know if these are factory sealed in cellophane?
I saw a deck on my last visit to CARC. I think it was cellophaned - I saw it already opened at the fip-top lid, but with the gold foil wrapper still intact, and I think there was still cellophane on the lower portion of the box. It wasn't my deck, so I didn't tear into it to get a look!
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So I hear someone paid $430 for on on eBay...
All well and good until the Bucks find more and kindly decide to sell them to the public. There are far too many instances of "this is made just for us...you'll never be able to buy one...well maybe someday...oh look we have more...well let's just sell them!" that it would be more shocking if these actually remained private. I'm pretty sure patience will be rewarded at some point. :)
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Anyone know if these are factory sealed in cellophane?
I saw a deck on my last visit to CARC. I think it was cellophaned - I saw it already opened at the fip-top lid, but with the gold foil wrapper still intact, and I think there was still cellophane on the lower portion of the box. It wasn't my deck, so I didn't tear into it to get a look!
Actually, no. They are not wrapped in cello. The deck inside the box is indeed wrapped in a gold foiled paper.
So I hear someone paid $430 for on on eBay...
All well and good until the Bucks find more and kindly decide to sell them to the public. There are far too many instances of "this is made just for us...you'll never be able to buy one...well maybe someday...oh look we have more...well let's just sell them!" that it would be more shocking if these actually remained private. I'm pretty sure patience will be rewarded at some point. :)
When did DnD ever make a deck that was mean strictly for themselves, and not for the public, but eventually sell them? It doesn't make sense from a business perspective. It not only depreciates the value of the deck, but reduces the credibility of the company as well. Are you referring to some other company?
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I'm bumping this somewhat old topic up because Dan and Dave just posted a pic of this deck on instagram three hours ago and I was just curious - does anyone know if they're giving these decks way in other promotions? Or if new members of the Deck of the Month Club will be able to obtain it this month?
I know new members of the DOTM club are NOT getting the deck. I thought that too but if you look at the DOTM page is says all decks are shipped the first week of the month. If you were to join the second week of January your first DOTM would not ship until February. Only January 1st members got it for DOTM.
Oh, okay. Thanks for the info. :)
So I hear someone paid $430 for on on eBay...
All well and good until the Bucks find more and kindly decide to sell them to the public. There are far too many instances of "this is made just for us...you'll never be able to buy one...well maybe someday...oh look we have more...well let's just sell them!" that it would be more shocking if these actually remained private. I'm pretty sure patience will be rewarded at some point. :)
Yeah... I think I'll wait, too.
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It doesn't make sense from a business perspective. It not only depreciates the value of the deck, but reduces the credibility of the company as well. Are you referring to some other company?
Do the words v7 Carbon will be the last mean anything to you? Credibility? Dan and Dave are not the only ones guilty of this. I'm not complaining but 98% of the forum knew public distribution would happen in one form or another.
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It doesn't make sense from a business perspective. It not only depreciates the value of the deck, but reduces the credibility of the company as well. Are you referring to some other company?
Do the words v7 Carbon will be the last mean anything to you? Credibility? Dan and Dave are not the only ones guilty of this. I'm not complaining but 98% of the forum knew public distribution would happen in one form or another.
I would have to agree, It's all contrived scarcity/availabiltiy. I mean if they would maybe wait a year, even 6 months before going with the "....these just found next to the the crate we keep the Arc of the Covenant in" I wouldn't mindas as much, I mean build a little drama for crying out loud. But like !An0nym0u5 mentioned....who didn't see this coming?
As for the ebay listing, you have got to be out of your freeking mind. Of course it's not completely out of the realm of reality that someone on ebay is trying to make the deck seem more valuable than it really is................ya that never happens on ebay, nope, no shill accounts out there, no sir :P
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It doesn't make sense from a business perspective. It not only depreciates the value of the deck, but reduces the credibility of the company as well. Are you referring to some other company?
Do the words v7 Carbon will be the last mean anything to you? Credibility? Dan and Dave are not the only ones guilty of this. I'm not complaining but 98% of the forum knew public distribution would happen in one form or another.
I would have to agree, It's all contrived scarcity/availabiltiy. I mean if they would maybe wait a year, even 6 months before going with the "....these just found next to the the crate we keep the Arc of the Covenant in" I wouldn't mindas as much, I mean build a little drama for crying out loud. But like !An0nym0u5 mentioned....who didn't see this coming?
As for the ebay listing, you have got to be out of your freeking mind. Of course it's not completely out of the realm of reality that someone on ebay is trying to make the deck seem more valuable than it really is................ya that never happens on ebay, nope, no shill accounts out there, no sir :P
Just because someone bids that high does not mean the seller will ever see the money. One negative feedback might be worth saving $400+. Same thing happened when the Gold Crown Gift Boxes were released and then sold on eBay. I think a seller would be lucky to get the $50 they paid for it now. Although D&D do have more pull, this is only one deck
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It doesn't make sense from a business perspective. It not only depreciates the value of the deck, but reduces the credibility of the company as well. Are you referring to some other company?
Do the words v7 Carbon will be the last mean anything to you? Credibility? Dan and Dave are not not the only ones guilty of this. I'm not complaining but 98% of the forum knew public distribution would happen in one form or another.
I would have to agree, It's all contrived scarcity/availabiltiy. I mean if they would maybe wait a year, even 6 months before going with the "....these just found next to the the crate we keep the Arc of the Covenant in" I wouldn't mindas as much, I mean build a little drama for crying out loud. But like !An0nym0u5 mentioned....who didn't see this coming?
As for the ebay listing, you have got to be out of your freeking mind. Of course it's not completely out of the realm of reality that someone on ebay is trying to make the deck seem more valuable than it really is................ya that never happens on ebay, nope, no shill accounts out there, no sir :P
Just because someone bids that high does not mean the seller will ever see the money. One negative feedback might be worth saving $400+. Same thing happened when the Gold Crown Gift Boxes were released and then sold on eBay. I think a seller would be lucky to get the $50 they paid for it now. Although D&D do have more pull, this is only one deck
I'm not sure I follow what you mean about the negative feedback and saving $400. Please explain.
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I believe Anonymous is saying that even though the bid is that high, it doesn't necessary mean that the bidder will pay for the item. The bidder could have regrets about bidding that high so they'd rather just save the money and take the negative feedback hit on eBay's users feedback system.
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I believe Anonymous is saying that even though the bid is that high, it doesn't necessary mean that the bidder will pay for the item. The bidder could have regrets about bidding that high so they'd rather just save the money and take the negative feedback hit on eBay's users feedback system.
Ohhh, I see. It doesn't show on the picture, but there were five bids, so if the winner doesn't pay for it, the seller could offer it to the other bidders via the second chance offer. There is the chance that all of the bidders no longer want to purchase the deck, but there is also still a chance one of them might take it. The bid actually started at $300 and escalated from there. I didn't think anyone would even bid at that price...
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I believe Anonymous is saying that even though the bid is that high, it doesn't necessary mean that the bidder will pay for the item. The bidder could have regrets about bidding that high so they'd rather just save the money and take the negative feedback hit on eBay's users feedback system.
Ohhh, I see. It doesn't show on the picture, but there were five bids, so if the winner doesn't pay for it, the seller could offer it to the other bidders via the second chance offer. There is the chance that all of the bidders no longer want to purchase the deck, but there is also still a chance one of them might take it. The bid actually started at $300 and escalated from there. I didn't think anyone would even bid at that price...
I'm strongly of the opinion that someone shill-bid the deck to that price. The account used for the bid, while notable for having 315 positive reviews since it was created, has had only three purchases in the past year. The only hole in my theory, however, is that the same deck sold on eBay's site in France for $419.86 on a Buy It Now from one of our own members. (http://aethercards.com/discourse/index.php?action=profile;u=2366)
What was that expression about fools and money...? :))
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Here's another one for sale for $425
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dan-and-Dave-Gold-Private-Reserve-Playing-Cards-Smoke-Mirrors-Rare-Deck-/201035441294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecea5648e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dan-and-Dave-Gold-Private-Reserve-Playing-Cards-Smoke-Mirrors-Rare-Deck-/201035441294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecea5648e)
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Here's another one for sale for $425
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dan-and-Dave-Gold-Private-Reserve-Playing-Cards-Smoke-Mirrors-Rare-Deck-/201035441294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecea5648e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dan-and-Dave-Gold-Private-Reserve-Playing-Cards-Smoke-Mirrors-Rare-Deck-/201035441294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecea5648e)
$5 off the "current market price"? What an incredible bargain! :))
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Here's another one for sale for $425
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dan-and-Dave-Gold-Private-Reserve-Playing-Cards-Smoke-Mirrors-Rare-Deck-/201035441294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecea5648e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dan-and-Dave-Gold-Private-Reserve-Playing-Cards-Smoke-Mirrors-Rare-Deck-/201035441294?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ecea5648e)
$5 off the "current market price"? What an incredible bargain! :))
The thing I find so funny about collectors is as soon as GOLD is brought into the equation, it results into a price frenzy. The human response to just the word "GOLD" is incomprehensible.
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whoa.
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whoa.
How insightful! :))
First, welcome to the boards. Head over to the "Introduce Yourself" board and make a new topic so the rest of the gang can properly greet you.
Second, we usually prefer replies that are a bit more thorough, expressing thoughts and opinions rather than just interjections. What about this deck makes you say "whoa"?
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I believe Anonymous is saying that even though the bid is that high, it doesn't necessary mean that the bidder will pay for the item. The bidder could have regrets about bidding that high so they'd rather just save the money and take the negative feedback hit on eBay's users feedback system.
Ohhh, I see. It doesn't show on the picture, but there were five bids, so if the winner doesn't pay for it, the seller could offer it to the other bidders via the second chance offer. There is the chance that all of the bidders no longer want to purchase the deck, but there is also still a chance one of them might take it. The bid actually started at $300 and escalated from there. I didn't think anyone would even bid at that price...
I'm strongly of the opinion that someone shill-bid the deck to that price. The account used for the bid, while notable for having 315 positive reviews since it was created, has had only three purchases in the past year. The only hole in my theory, however, is that the same deck sold on eBay's site in France for $419.86 on a Buy It Now from one of our own members. (http://aethercards.com/discourse/index.php?action=profile;u=2366)
What was that expression about fools and money...? :))
Don, speaking of fools and money...why don't we band together 55 of us, all pitch in $8.25, and everyone will get a random card, and one person will get the empty tuck. Then whenever someone voyages on they send their card to a third party until the last person is left standing. Geeze, by then the deck will be worth a billion dollars!!!
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Don, speaking of fools and money...why don't we band together 55 of us, all pitch in $8.25, and everyone will get a random card, and one person will get the empty tuck. Then whenever someone voyages on they send their card to a third party until the last person is left standing. Geeze, by then the deck will be worth a billion dollars!!!
You wanna make a tontine - out of a pack of cards?!?
And the award for "Fool of the Year 2013" goes to... :))