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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Barry Hurton on December 05, 2013, 08:59:28 AM
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So, I realized today that a few decks had snuck past my radar in terms of the big companies - I'm happy if a merz deck flies past, and you expect to not see every kickstarter or independent deck when you are on your own. But this forum seems pretty tooled up and collabarative, so I wanted to compile a list here, and if I miss anything (which I will) if you write it below, I'll edit this post to include it and then we can strive for a comprehensive list from the main companies (I'll definitely need some help with TBC and D&D). For brevity, I'll only note the substantially different versions of decks (colours, impacts, etc) and let's ignore gaff decks for the time being.
* Denotes gaff/trick decks
Ellusionist
Black Ghost
Black Ghost V2
Ghost
Black Tiger White Pips
Black Tiger Red Pips
Sultan Treasury
Sultan Republic
Republic 2
Red, Blue, Purple, White LTD
Black, White, Gold, Red Arcane,
Red, Blue V1 Artifice
Blue, Green, Tundra, Purple NOT V1 Artifice
Black Artifice
Fathom
Ignite
Executive
Tally Ho Vipers Circle and Fan
Shadow, Red, Blue Masters
Red and Blue Vintage 1800 Series (V1 and V2 - different box designs).
Infinity
Brown, Red, Blue, Black Rounders
Green, Scarlet Dealers
Pressers
*Red, Blue Bicycle Gaff
*Arcane Gaff
*UltraGaff
*The Gaff System
Theory11
Guardians V1 V2 V3
White, Black Centurions
Blue,Red,Black (Jaqk)
Bee, Tally Ho, Bicycle Blue and Red Titanium - V1 and V2
White, Silver, Navy, Red, Gold Monarch
Love Me
Wildlife
White Black Artisans
Bicycle Heritage : LOTUS BACK (Blue)
Bicycle Heritage : NAUTIC BACK (Green)
Bicycle Heritage : ACORN BACK (Brown)
Bicycle Heritage : AUTOMOBILE No.2 BACK (Red)
Silver, Bronze (Bronze in V1 V2) Steampunk
Sentinels
Sentinels- reprint on new stock
Charity Water
Deck One V1 V2
Propaganda
Players
Rebels
Rarebit
Medallion
Archangels
Robocycle (Designed for USPCC)
Red, Black Stingers
Brown Wynn (Sold, not produced)
BigBlindMedia
White, Gold Karnival
Karnival Midnight (V1, Foil)
Red and Green Karnival Assasings (Red came in V1, Foil)
Blue and Purple Karnival Renegades
Karnival Rujian
Karnival Hornets
Karnival Death Heads Carnage
Karnival Death Heads
Karnival Dose
Dose Redux
Delirium
Discoverie Deck
Elite
Z-Ray
Earthstone9
Inferno
Karnival Dead Eyes (V1, Foil)
D&D
Smoke V1
Mirrors V1
Smoke V2 : Special Edition
Mirrors V2 : Special Edition
Smoke V3 : Luxury Edition
Mirrors V3 : Luxury Edition
Smoke&Mirrors V4 1st Edition
Smoke&Mirrors V4 2nd Edition
Smoke&Mirrors V5
Smoke&Mirrors V6
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Smoke
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Mirror
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Eco
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Denim
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Rouge
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Carbon
Magic con 2011
Magic con 2012
If An Octopus Could Palm
Bee Erdnasm
Fantastique
Vintage Plaid - Arizona Red
Vintage Plaid - California Blue
Fulton's Clip joint
Fulton's Chinatown deck
Fulton's Chinatown deck : Game of Death
Ace Fulton's Casino Sunset Orange
Ace Fulton's Casino Tabacco Brown
Ace Fulton's Casino Red Hot
Ace Fulton's Casino Dodger Blue
Ace Fulton's Casino Midnight Fuel
Fulton October
Bicycle New Fan Back Vintage Red V1 V2
Bicycle New Fan Back Navy Blue V1 V2
Steamboat 999 Red
Steamboat 999 Blue
Ultimate deck
Bruce Lee
The BC & HOPC
NOC deck 1st ed. - Red
NOC deck 1st ed. - Blue
NOC deck 1st ed. - Green
NOC deck 1st ed. - Yellow
NOC deck 1st ed. - Purple
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Red
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Blue
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Green
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Yellow
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Purple
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Orange
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Light Blue
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Black
Machanic deck
Verve (Red)
Verve (Blue)
Verve (Yellow)
London - Gold
London - Silver
London- Bronze
Ornate - Scarlet
Ornate - Sapphire
Ornate - Emerald
Ornate - Amethyst
Curator
The Crown deck
Red crown
Green Crown
Black Crown
The Crown deck v2
Red Crown v2
Green Crown v2
Black Crown
Gold Crown
Luxury Crown Blue
Luxury Crown Red
Luxury Crown White
Vaudeville
Altruism : Order of the Owl
White Altruism Snow Owls
Nautical White
Nautical Red
Nautical Blue
David Blaine
Red, Blue Black -Tally Ho Split Spades
Black, Inverted Black - Bee Split Spades
Red, Blue, Black (and Blue in a Sepia Tuck) - Split Spades Lions
^*Red, Blue, Black (Trick decks, Svengali, Stripper, Marked respectively) - Bicycle Split Spades
Blue, Red, White Lions Series A
Rainbow and UV White Lions
Blue UV lions
Purple (red/blue mid print ink switch) White Lions
Blue, Red, Black- White Lionds Series B
*Stealth - White Lions
^4 prototypes of the trick decks - Red box Svengali, White/Red Box Svengali, Black box marked, Blue box stripper. These were not for sale.
+If you bought the Variety Box, you got two prototypes of the Trick decks (Blue and Black), a
^DB's only bicycle brand decks to date.
Devo
Blades Silver edition
Blades White edition
Blades Midnight edition
Blades Blood edition
Blades Blood Metal edition
Blades Midnight Edition Blood Spear
Dominion deck
April fool deck
Magician Must Die #1
Magician Must Die Comic Edition
Magician Must Die #2
Magician Must Die #3
Exquisite
Magic Makers
TO BE ADDED
CARC
TO BE ADDED
Thanks to Phantom1412, Don Boyer and CBJ.
Let's have some more!
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There's black Masters? Not that I'd really care, but ::)
EDIT: Nevermind, realized it was Shadow Masters. Derp.
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This should be correct list for E/T11/D&D/the BC
Ellusionist
Black Ghost 1st Edition
Black Ghost 2nd Edition
White Ghost v1
White Ghost v2
Ghost Gaff
Black Tiger White pips
Black Tiger Red pips
Black Tiger Gaff
Gold Arcane
Red Arcane
Black Arcane
White Arcane
Black Arcane Gaff
White Arcane Gaff
Red Artifice
Artifice
Artifice v2
Emerald Artifice
Purple Artifice
Artifice Black Club - Apex edition
Artifice Tundra
LTD - Red
LTD - Blue
LTD - White
LTD - Purple
Infinity
Red 1800 Vintage
Blue 1800 Vintage
Tally ho viper fan back
Tally ho viper circle back
Shadow Master
Red Master
Blue Master
Red Gaff
Blue Gaff
Ultragaff
Sultan Republic
Sultan Treasury
Republic #2
Fathom
Ignite
Executive
Madison Rounders Black
Madison Rounders Scarlet
Madison Rounders Blue
Madison Rounders Brown
Madison Dealers Green
Madison Dealers Scarlet
Presser
Theory11
White Centurions
Centurions
Propaganda
Sentinels
Sentinels- reprint on new stock
Deck One v1
Deck One v2
Guardian v1
Guardian v2
JAQK cellars
JAQK cellars - Red
JAQK cellars - Black
Black Stingers
Red Stingers
Aristocrat Red
Aristocrat Blue
Bicycle Titanium Red v1
Bicycle Titanium Blue v1
Bicycle Titanium Red v2
Bicycle Titanium Blue v2
Bee Titanium Red
Bee Titanium Blue
Tally ho Titanuim Red
Tally ho Titanium Blue
NYSM signed Monarch
Gold Monarch
Monarch
White Monarch
Silver Monarch
Red Monarch
Steampunk
Charity : Water
Bicycle Heritage : LOTUS BACK (Blue)
Bicycle Heritage : NAUTIC BACK (Green)
Bicycle Heritage : ACORN BACK (Brown)
Bicycle Heritage : AUTOMOBILE No.2 BACK (Red)
Rebels
Medison Players
Black Artisans
White Artisans
Animal Kingdom
Love Me
Rarebit
Medallion
D&D
Smoke V1
Mirrors V1
Smoke V2 : Special Edition
Mirrors V2 : Special Edition
Smoke V3 : Luxury Edition
Mirrors V3 : Luxury Edition
Smoke&Mirrors V4 1st Edition
Smoke&Mirrors V4 2nd Edition
Smoke&Mirrors V5
Smoke&Mirrors V6
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Smoke
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Mirror
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Eco
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Denim
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Rouge
Smoke&Mirrors V7 - Carbon
Magic con 2011
Magic con 2012
If An Octopus Could Palm
Bee Erdnasm
Fantastique
Vintage Plaid - Arizona Red
Vintage Plaid - California Blue
Fulton's Clip joint
Fulton's Chinatown deck
Fulton's Chinatown deck : Game of Death
Ace Fulton's Casino Sunset Orange
Ace Fulton's Casino Tabacco Brown
Ace Fulton's Casino Red Hot
Ace Fulton's Casino Dodger Blue
Ace Fulton's Casino Midnight Fuel
Fulton October
Bicycle New Fan Back Vintage Red
Bicycle New Fan Back Navy Blue
Steamboat 999 Red
Steamboat 999 Blue
Ultimate deck
Bruce Lee
The BC & HOPC
NOC deck 1st ed. - Red
NOC deck 1st ed. - Blue
NOC deck 1st ed. - Green
NOC deck 1st ed. - Yellow
NOC deck 1st ed. - Purple
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Red
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Blue
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Green
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Yellow
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Purple
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Orange
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Light Blue
NOC deck 2nd ed. - Black
Machanic deck
Verve (Red)
Verve (Blue)
Verve (Yellow)
London - Gold
London - Silver
London- Bronze
Ornate - Scarlet
Ornate - Sapphire
Ornate - Emerald
Ornate - Amethyst
Curator
The Crown deck
Red crown
Green Crown
Black Crown
The Crown deck v2
Red Crown v2
Green Crown v2
Black Crown
Gold Crown
Luxury Crown Blue
Luxury Crown Red
Luxury Crown White
Vaudeville
Altruism : Order of the Owl
White Altruism Snow Owls
Nautical White
Nautical Red
Nautical Blue
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Do you guys know the dates(years) these were put out?
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I spent so much time writing this, I've been beaten to the punch by Lalita! Drat and double drat! :))
There's black Masters? Not that I'd really care, but ::)
I believe he's referring to the Shadow Masters deck.
Ellusionist:
- You missed the red Dealers, a rare deck release.
- Vintage 1800s come in red and blue.
Theory11:
- The "black" Monarchs are more of a navy blue, and you left out the Gold Monarchs deck, a limited release of 144.
- Bicycle Titanium is presently in its second version - the first had an unembossed tuck box.
- The Heritage series was a USPC release, not a T11 release, much like how they sell Bikes, Bees and Tally Ho as well.
- T11 also made the design for the Bicycle Robocycle decks, blue and brown, and the copper Steampunks.
- DeckOne Industrial Edition is on version two. It now has a "pre-distressed" box.
- T11 didn't produce Brown Wynns, either. They were simply purchased from the casino, uncanceled, because they retired the color/pattern.
- Guardians came in three versions. First has the old T11 logo on the bottom. Second has the new logo and a matte finish tuck. Third was a USPC model, designed with French and English labels for direct sale in Canada - it didn't have a double backer, but it did have a card that described how to perform a simple trick. The third one was made specifically for USPC to sell, in much the same way that the copper Steampunks and Robocycles were, but it was the most faithful to the original design of the lot (Robos were themselves an original design).
- You missed the Archangels - another joint USPC/T11 deck.
- It's worth noting that there are two or more printings of the Black Stingers and the Propaganda decks - the originals were made in Cincinnati, the new prints were done in Erlanger.
Big Blind Media:
- Missing are Karnival Dose, Bicycle Karnival Dose Redux (the originals weren't Bicycle branded), Karnival Inferno, Bicycle Karnival Dead Eyes.
- Of all their decks, these weren't Bicycle-branded: Karnival Hornets, Karnival Inferno, Discoverie, Karnival Dose. The rest are.
- Bicycle Karnival Dose Redux was unique in that it's the first time they changed the back of a design and the first time they released an unbranded deck's second edition as a Bicycle-branded deck. Plus it came in a limited edition foil tuckcase that shines almost but not quite like a hologram.
- Other decks that had foil-case second-edition limited releases were Bicycle Karnival Dead Eyes, Bicycle Carnival Assassins and Bicycle Karnival Midnight.
The rest should be quite easy to compile. Use the Search feature and you'll find out topics on all of them. TBC/HOPC should be easy, since the company's only been around for not quite three years. In their early years, D&D only had the Smoke and Mirror decks - it wasn't until the introduction of the Fulton's Clip Joint that they started branching out into other product lines - and there's plenty enough information on the S&M decks that you should have any trouble getting caught up to present.
If this list is popular enough, maybe I'll make it part of the Annual Releases lists or something similar.
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I don't know if it matters,
But there's actually 2 different versions of the blue 1800 series
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/Bicycle-Series1800blue2s_zps35092926.jpg)
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Dan and Dave actually released 2 different versions of these...
Bicycle New Fan Back Vintage Red
Bicycle New Fan Back Navy Blue
One set had embossing.. the other didn't
They did the dame thing for Tally-ho
A set of embossed... and a set of non-embossed
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- The Heritage series was a USPC release, not a T11 release, much like how they sell Bikes, Bees and Tally Ho as well.
There's been 3 releases of Heritages:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-DECKS-Bicycle-Heritage-Series-playing-cards-/300512395847?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f7ef4247
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bicycle-Heritage-Design-Series-Playing-Cards-4-Deck-Set-/251297284185?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a827c4059
http://store.theory11.com/products/bicycle-heritage-series
It's the last one that I mean - is that USPCC as well?
Thanks again guys! I know I've learnt a few new things :)
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- The Heritage series was a USPC release, not a T11 release, much like how they sell Bikes, Bees and Tally Ho as well.
There's been 3 releases of Heritages:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-DECKS-Bicycle-Heritage-Series-playing-cards-/300512395847?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f7ef4247
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bicycle-Heritage-Design-Series-Playing-Cards-4-Deck-Set-/251297284185?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a827c4059
http://store.theory11.com/products/bicycle-heritage-series
It's the last one that I mean - is that USPCC as well?
Thanks again guys! I know I've learnt a few new things :)
The last one was a t11 release (printed by USPC obviously)
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If this list is popular enough, maybe I'll make it part of the Annual Releases lists or something similar.
Would love to see it happen.
I would love a comprehensive release list, being relatively new, having this information in one spot would be great. As mentioned, if release dates could be included....even better. Great thread! :D
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The last one was a t11 release (printed by USPC obviously)
Ah I thought so.If this list is popular enough, maybe I'll make it part of the Annual Releases lists or something similar.
Would love to see it happen.
I would love a comprehensive release list, being relatively new, having this information in one spot would be great. As mentioned, if release dates could be included....even better. Great thread! :D
Yeah that would be good - It helps the obsessive side of things; you can reference what you have and don't have. For me it is about design. It doesn't break my heart I don't have the foil Karnivals... The only one I got was the redux because it was a new design. But to some, I know, they would need every version of every deck of every subset.
Perhaps a bit later I will tackle the David Blaine decks (not that hard, it is just getting all of them).
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I'm not so much one of those who want tp print out the list and just start buying at one end and work my way across, lol. For me it's more about the information. As Don mentioned, almost every deck has probably been addressed across the boards and while you can search for the info, it would be kind of cool to have a "Data Base" type llist of this stuff all in one spot.........but it is a lot of work.
Perhaps a bit later I will tackle the David Blaine decks (not that hard, it is just getting all of them).
Also, just an FYI, this list was compiled not to long ago in a thread.
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I'm not so much one of those who want tp print out the list and just start buying at one end and work my way across, lol. For me it's more about the information. As Don mentioned, almost every deck has probably been addressed across the boards and while you can search for the info, it would be kind of cool to have a "Data Base" type llist of this stuff all in one spot.........but it is a lot of work.
Perhaps a bit later I will tackle the David Blaine decks (not that hard, it is just getting all of them).
Also, just an FYI, this list was compiled not to long ago in a thread.
I'll try to find that list! It is a lot of work to begin with... But then we've actually hit most of the big names, and once we have all of them I can just update it everytime there is a new release :)
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They did the dame thing for Tally-ho
A set of embossed... and a set of non-embossed
Which Tally Ho decks? You were talking about D&D and I don't remember them doing anything with TH beyond some Hofzinser cards.
- The Heritage series was a USPC release, not a T11 release, much like how they sell Bikes, Bees and Tally Ho as well.
There's been 3 releases of Heritages:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-DECKS-Bicycle-Heritage-Series-playing-cards-/300512395847?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f7ef4247
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bicycle-Heritage-Design-Series-Playing-Cards-4-Deck-Set-/251297284185?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a827c4059
http://store.theory11.com/products/bicycle-heritage-series
It's the last one that I mean - is that USPCC as well?
Thanks again guys! I know I've learnt a few new things :)
The last one was a t11 release (printed by USPC obviously)
I obtained mine from a BJ's store a few months before T11 was selling it - it came in a boxed set. T11 used more interesting packaging, but I don't believe it was a T11 release. There was a Heritage Design set a year or so earlier (the second set) that wasn't T11 at all and matched the box styles of the third set. I recall from the second set that it was USPC-made for exclusive release through BJ's, and I think that was the original intent with the second set.
The sweet part was that the boxed set sold for a fraction of T11's bagged set. I think it was $12 or something.
Granted, I'm as human as the next collector and could be completely wrong or at least partially wrong, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not.
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Just a detail really but it's Bee Erdnaseum, not Erdnasm...
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Not to mention he spelled "Madison" wrong..."Medison" - could be a pronunciation error.
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Not to mention he spelled "Madison" wrong..."Medison" - could be a pronunciation error.
Modified. And also I'm "she" not "he" ;)
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There are also two different Gold Arcane versions. The first 500 were printed with a greener gold to the cards and tuck box.
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There are also two different Gold Arcane versions. The first 500 were printed with a greener gold to the cards and tuck box.
They all came from a single print run! Regardless of whatever color tweaking may have taken place!
Can you show us some photos, 'cause I'd be curious to see that.
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Your right about it being one print run but no, I don't have any pictures. Jason B. Said they are all in circulation and can only tell the difference when the two color variations are right next to each other.
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Your right about it being one print run but no, I don't have any pictures. Jason B. Said they are all in circulation and can only tell the difference when the two color variations are right next to each other.
If this is indeed the case, it's probably due to some leftover ink in the press when they started the print run. I'd imagine that if you swapped out blue and put in gold, some residual blue ink would be enough to make the gold have a greenish hue.
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I'm not so sure that is the case. I've seen a few instances where the gold was kinda green. Even the new Gold Bee's that were just released had a few people saying they looked more green.
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I'm not so sure that is the case. I've seen a few instances where the gold was kinda green. Even the new Gold Bee's that were just released had a few people saying they looked more green.
For the gold to look "kinda green", you add blue to it. Metallic gold ink is a dark yellow shade.
Get a jar of "golden" deli mustard - the type that's a real dark yellow and have flecks of spices in them, not the "sunshine yellow" mustard. Put a portion into a small measuring scoop and slowly add a drop of food coloring, mixing the two, then add extra drops as needed in the same manner. It won't take long for your mustard to look greenish. Alternately, you'll see the same change in a banana daiquiri if you slowly add drops of blue curaçao liqueur. (That probably tastes good, too, as the curaçao is orange in flavor.) With the daiquiri being a pale yellow, the curaçao will make it pale green.
It also works for paints and inks. Take a dark yellow color such as gold, mix it with a skosh of blue, and you will get a greenish tint in the gold. Whether it was in the press or elsewhere, somehow some blue ink got into the metallic gold to make that green-gold color.
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Updated it to include DB!
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Updated it to include DB!
You missed a few Blaine decks.
Series A had three "rainbow" decks, all rare. You have the red deck, but you missed the UV blue deck (printed on UV-sensitive paper, glows under a UV light) and purple (an uneven shade of purple created by swapping the blue ink for red ink in mid-print run.
You also missed Series B: blue and red.
There were two extra decks made. The White Lions Black Label deck (some refer to it as part of Series B, but technically it isn't) is a black-backed version of the Series B decks. The White Lions "Stealth Cards" was a very rare pack, which I believe has about 38 cards in a full-sized box - this was a series of gaff cards for the red and blue White Lions of either series. Those could only be obtained by the purchase of a rather expensive but very attractive leather-wrapped Porper Clip with his logo on the inside of the spine, in either brown or black. The black model came with a bonus packet trick wallet.
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Blaine also had some prototype trick decks made. 4 in total. The Svengali is a red deck plus a white deck
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Blaine also had some prototype trick decks made. 4 in total. The Svengali is a red deck plus a white deck
Very true. But I thought the white prototype trick deck was a marked deck...
It's worth noting that those trick decks were David's only Bicycle-branded decks to date.
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Amended.
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If you're planning to give Phantom1412 credit for assisting, you should at least spell her name right! :))
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Oh dear that was silly...
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Here's a piece of trivia for you...
The Ellusionist 1800s v1 and v2 not only had different tuck boxes (and they were different in a number of ways), they also were printed on different stock. v1 was printed on Bicycle stock, because (according to the public discourse at the time) E was trying to genuinely evoke an older deck, and it was thought that a thinner stock would be more successful at that. However, since the Bee stock was typically more favored by E at the time, customers complained (iirc), and so Bee stock quietly replaced the Bicycle stock. I do not recall a big deal being made when they switched from v1 to v2. I just remember re-ordering a few 1800s and discovering the differences, and then reading the boards that discussed them.
I have no idea if they are still printed on Bee stock. For all I know, they've moved on to a v3....
On a completely different sub-topic:
Do we want to add CARC to this list?
Would it be complete and utter heresy to mention Magic Makers? Even when you strip out their gaff and magic-only decks, they still have a surprisingly large number of customized conventional decks.
(I'm ducking my head now...)
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Devo decks
Blades Silver edition
Blades White edition
Blades Midnight edition
Blades Blood edition
Blades Blood Metal edition
Blades Midnight Edition Blood Spear
Dominion deck
April fool deck
Magician Must Die #1
Magician Must Die #1 Reprint
Magician Must Die #2
Magician Must Die #3
Exquisite
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Devo decks
Blades Silver edition
Blades White edition
Blades Midnight edition
Blades Blood edition
Blades Blood Metal edition
Blades Midnight Edition Blood Spear
Dominion deck
April fool deck
Magician Must Die #1
Magician Must Die #1 Reprint
Magician Must Die #2
Magician Must Die #3
Exquisite
The MMD #1 Reprint is actually known as the Denver Comic Con Sketch Edition. The tuck box's front face was mostly blank. It was meant for you to either fill in your own design or get someone at the convention to sketch it in for you, preferably the comic book artist who designed the deck's art.
Here's a piece of trivia for you...
The Ellusionist 1800s v1 and v2 not only had different tuck boxes (and they were different in a number of ways), they also were printed on different stock. v1 was printed on Bicycle stock, because (according to the public discourse at the time) E was trying to genuinely evoke an older deck, and it was thought that a thinner stock would be more successful at that. However, since the Bee stock was typically more favored by E at the time, customers complained (iirc), and so Bee stock quietly replaced the Bicycle stock. I do not recall a big deal being made when they switched from v1 to v2. I just remember re-ordering a few 1800s and discovering the differences, and then reading the boards that discussed them.
I have no idea if they are still printed on Bee stock. For all I know, they've moved on to a v3....
On a completely different sub-topic:
Do we want to add CARC to this list?
Would it be complete and utter heresy to mention Magic Makers? Even when you strip out their gaff and magic-only decks, they still have a surprisingly large number of customized conventional decks.
(I'm ducking my head now...)
It's not heresy to add CARC or Magic Makers, though hearing them in the same sentence does strip one's mental gears a little... :))
What you're calling versions are simply different print runs. Sometimes between print runs they tweak the deck a little in one way or another - some simple changes would be something like different ad cards.
I have my doubts that the present printing of Series 1800 is on Bee stock, though - it's too easily flexed and shuffled right out of the box. Bees are notoriously stiff - riffling a new pack is almost an Olympic sport! I'd heard, reliably, that they were using Bicycle Casino stock after the company stopped using UV500 stock for cost and availability reasons. But USPC discontinued the stock, and they were having trouble with the traditional 325gsm Bicycle stock in the new Kentucky presses. While they now measure the present stock by caliper thickness, it's in the ballpark of 300gsm. Honestly, it was a bigger deal when they switched from "Air Cushion Finish" to "Performance Coating", better known elsewhere as Magic Finish. The 1800s were not good performers prior to that upgrade, but now, they're smooth as polished glass and slicker than grease.
Add it all up, though, and it's considered the same deck, same version, just different print runs.
But the better authority to tap for such knowledge would be some of the many people here who've either worked for Ellusionist in the past or still work with them today...it's not like we have a shortage or something! :)) Jake, Mike, one of you two want to take a crack at this?
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Included Devo (I stay clear of them so I'm thankful for Phantom1412 again!) and I'll add MagicMakers and Carc in the following weeks. Thanks again everyone!
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Also missed out Americana and the new imperial decks from HOPC
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I thought Americana was just distributed by them? Isn't it CCC?
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There are 4 Blaine Prototype decks, and they actually came with custom prototype packaging.
You can see the prototype packaging AND the final retail packaging in this pic... (Prototypes on the top)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF2184_zpseca9fcf6.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF2184b_zps3f1aa8ef.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1978_zps25665b35.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1981_zps381db9de.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1983_zps8bb56fe7.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1984_zps6a75f021.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1986_zpsfc1976d8.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1987_zpse47cbfcc.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1988_zps0723d981.jpg)
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/DSCF1991_zps26eb85fa.jpg)
I hope this helps
CBJ
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Thank you. You guys are so knowledgeable.
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I thought Americana was just distributed by them? Isn't it CCC?
Ah yes, true. I said it because it has the HOPC branding at the bottom of the tuck, no I see it says "distributed by HOPC"
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I thought Americana was just distributed by them? Isn't it CCC?
Ah yes, true. I said it because it has the HOPC branding at the bottom of the tuck, no I see it says "distributed by HOPC"
The story is that Russell Kercheval, the deck's designer, completed a successful Kickstarter campaign, but his experience on the Brimstone deck showed him the difficulties involved in distribution. He contacted TBC and they cut a deal whereby HOPC would simply distribute the cards. Obviously the deal was made sometime before production of the tuck boxes began, since they're branded with TBC and CCCC's names on the bottom.
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Thank you Don.
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I did some research and David Mitchell, the IT guy from E, said that the first 500 or so Gold Arcane decks didn't come out as well as Jason Brumbalow wanted and so they had them touched up and reprinted.
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You're missing the Ultragaff by Ellusionist.
Yes, I know it's a gaff deck... but it is a Bicycle branded deck
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/Bicycle-Ultragaff_zps335de369.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-b3kIzHnMklE/TV44LVwW9oI/AAAAAAAAADc/g2V-FXBfBRY/s1600/UltraGaff.jpg)
CBJ
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Do you guys think it is worth putting the ultragaff deck on the list? If so, we should probably put the other gaff decks on as well..
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Do you guys think it is worth putting the ultragaff deck on the list? If so, we should probably put the other gaff decks on as well..
Well, if you're including stuff like the Blaine magic decks and the White Lions Stealth Cards, you might as well. They're not playing cards in the strictest definition of the term (you'd never use an Ultragaff deck to play poker), but they are made to be used with playing cards.
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You could put them in order of appearance, maybe the year too. It should be much easier to have access and identify each deck of playing cards from the history of the company which was created/sold. For the gaff's you could put a * or anothers sign or letter with a note at the end of the list.