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Title: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: CBJ on November 10, 2011, 07:27:23 PM
These decks have been postponed a couple times.  They are now listed with a January release, but who really know.  The website writes...

"Behold! The Pale Rider! A new deck of Bicycle playing cards featuring the Rider back design comfortably worn and faded on both sides!

Pale Riders are unique among specialty decks. In addition to their washed look, they also have a custom finish – smooth enough for fans and flourishes, yet a rigid grip for your favorite lifts and counts!

Reminiscent of stonewashed jeans, Pale Riders boast such a thin layer of ink you can actually feel the crosshatch texture of their Bicycle stock. Like your favorite pair of denims, the result is a distinctive look you can feel!

• Genuine Bicycle card stock!
• Comfortably worn and faded!
• Available in red and blue backs!
• See the difference! Feel the difference!

Pale Riders are Bicycle playing cards printed by the U.S. Playing Card Company, altered from factory condition to produce the custom finish. They lend themselves well to the journeyman card trick or a street-style manipulation act!"

(http://www.magic.org/store/images/pale_riders_playing_cards.jpg)

(http://www.magic.org/store/pics/Pale_Riders_01.jpg)

(http://www.magic.org/store/pics/Pale_Riders_03.jpg)

Here's the link: http://www.magic.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=6656

CBJ
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: KPopFever605 on November 10, 2011, 07:34:28 PM
I honestly don't hope they postpone it this time, how many times has it been? 3?
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: PoundFFFFFF on November 10, 2011, 07:47:41 PM
Point = where?
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: loldudex2 on November 10, 2011, 07:56:23 PM
Point = where?

It'd be really cool if someone could use Pure Smoke, change a normal deck into a faded deck,  then turn that into a double blank deck, but the only card that stays original is the selected card. I have no idea how this would work, but it'd be pretty epic.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: PoundFFFFFF on November 10, 2011, 08:10:42 PM
It'd be really cool if someone could use Pure Smoke, change a normal deck into a faded deck,  then turn that into a double blank deck, but the only card that stays original is the selected card. I have no idea how this would work, but it'd be pretty epic.

  That could work~ but I'm just thinking.. this is essentially the same as Magic Makers and their rainbow line of Bikes. Before it was just Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, Purple, Black... now there are things like Faded... Multicolor... Twilight/Flirtatious line... Pale..
  The point we buy custom decks is because we want to stop looking at the rider backs for a while.
 
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: loldudex2 on November 10, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
  That could work~ but I'm just thinking.. this is essentially the same as Magic Makers and their rainbow line of Bikes. Before it was just Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, Purple, Black... now there are things like Faded... Multicolor... Twilight/Flirtatious line... Pale..
  The point we buy custom decks is because we want to stop looking at the rider backs for a while.
 

Very true, but I love using bikes during magic because EVERYONE knows bikes and would not be as suspicious as if I were to use Artifice playing cards.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: phantom1412 on November 11, 2011, 04:25:47 AM
Yeah, this could be very nice gaff cards.
By seeing all these decks, I wanna know if there is any store that have most decks that coming out.
I really hate to order 1 deck and pay the shipping. My choice is alwys get a brick or get nothing, unless it's kickstarter decks.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on November 11, 2011, 04:27:01 AM
This looks like a very interesting deck. First off, the handling I would expect would be different if it really has the texture of crosshatched denim... no? What interests me the most is how it isn't a color change. Most decks simply change the color of the court cards/backs etc. but this deck is just a super faded look. Its very interesting.

It reminds me of the 1800 bikes (for the faded reason) but at the same time it is very different. I could easily see these being very useful for magic routines. There are almost endless possibilities you could do with such a similar deck to regular bikes; which makes this an ingenious idea.

To be honest I actually like these quite a bit! I'll probably look to pick up a few.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: xela on November 11, 2011, 04:30:00 AM
Let's face it, this deck has no artistic value. It has no value beyond being a possible gaff for your routine. It's being put out by a magic company, so I doubt they have been marketing as "the next big thing."

If I were a more talented magician I'd pick these up if I could incorporate them into my routine well.

@brown_baggs: Handling will be the same as any USPCC deck, I'd imagine. The ink saturation may be very low, but that's it as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: MrLukeCarroll on November 11, 2011, 05:18:59 AM
Yeah ill deffinetly pick these up for my magic rather then for my card collection
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: vmagic on November 11, 2011, 11:00:09 AM
In case you've all forgotten there's already been Faded Bicycle decks before, these are a bit different though. One thing I must point out is that website is selling them for $11.95 a deck, seems way overpriced to me. Should only be $5 each!
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on November 12, 2011, 05:11:21 AM
I think they're an interesting idea, but BMPokerworld canceled his order with all the postponements.  $12 a pack is way too much for a gimmicky deck like this.  Plus the way they describe the ordering/shipping - the first hundred decks will ship in January, the entire print run will be sold out by then...  What exactly is the entire print run?  Is it a limited edition or something that will be regularly stocked?  With all those questions unanswered and that price point, I'm holding off.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 16, 2012, 07:55:52 PM
I sent the Magic Depot an email to inquire about the missing information on these cards.  Let's see what they say... They look kinda cool to me, but I go for goofy decks.  :))
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 16, 2012, 08:43:32 PM
I sent the Magic Depot an email to inquire about the missing information on these cards.  Let's see what they say... They look kinda cool to me, but I go for goofy decks.


They look cool to me too! I kind of forgot about this one. I know not many people for excited about it but usually there is still chatter about a deck nonetheless. Let us know what you find out!
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Derek on January 16, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
There's already two decks out there that look worn, and look 100x better than this honestly. I could have made these designs in 5 minutes in photoshop. I don't get it sorry.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 16, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
There's already two decks out there that look worn, and look 100x better than this honestly. I could have made these designs in 5 minutes in photoshop. I don't get it sorry.


I think there is a difference between this and the others. This one looks worn and faded, but the others look out of date. This deck doesn't look like it came from another era but instead just looks like it went through the wash or something. I like it for that subtle odd change, but I can understand why somebody may not like it.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Derek on January 16, 2012, 10:33:27 PM
There's already two decks out there that look worn, and look 100x better than this honestly. I could have made these designs in 5 minutes in photoshop. I don't get it sorry.


I think there is a difference between this and the others. This one looks worn and faded, but the others look out of date. This deck doesn't look like it came from another era but instead just looks like it went through the wash or something. I like it for that subtle odd change, but I can understand why somebody may not like it.


Yeah I understand they don't look very much alike but I mean, they still are supposed to look old and faded and this one just looks boring. The others looks really cool. Just my opinion, not much originality in this deck just saying.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Frost on January 16, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
i like them alot !!!
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Aaron on January 16, 2012, 11:02:21 PM
they are ok but I dont think I would buy them.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 17, 2012, 02:39:20 AM
There's already two decks out there that look worn, and look 100x better than this honestly. I could have made these designs in 5 minutes in photoshop. I don't get it sorry.


I think there is a difference between this and the others. This one looks worn and faded, but the others look out of date. This deck doesn't look like it came from another era but instead just looks like it went through the wash or something. I like it for that subtle odd change, but I can understand why somebody may not like it.

There's a few "worn look" decks - the "dirty" two-deck set, the "faded" deck from MM, the 1800's from E.  But these remind me of overwashed denim.  This isn't really "worn" in the sense that it doesn't look like it was dumped into filthy chemical-ridden water or left at the bottom of a gold mine for the past hundred years.  Those decks are going more for an "aged" look, while these are more "faded" than "aged".

I could picture a wicked color change...  Let's say you have the original Ice Blue deck - the one with a standard blue back but an all-blue front.  Start with that deck, choose a card, then "fade" it down to standard Bike blue.  From that, you fade it further, into an 1800 Bike blue.  Lastly, you "wash" the 1800 'cause it's so filthy, and you end up with a Pale Rider blue!  You could weave a pretty cool story around it.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Derek on January 17, 2012, 07:29:55 AM
There's already two decks out there that look worn, and look 100x better than this honestly. I could have made these designs in 5 minutes in photoshop. I don't get it sorry.


I think there is a difference between this and the others. This one looks worn and faded, but the others look out of date. This deck doesn't look like it came from another era but instead just looks like it went through the wash or something. I like it for that subtle odd change, but I can understand why somebody may not like it.

There's a few "worn look" decks - the "dirty" two-deck set, the "faded" deck from MM, the 1800's from E.  But these remind me of overwashed denim.  This isn't really "worn" in the sense that it doesn't look like it was dumped into filthy chemical-ridden water or left at the bottom of a gold mine for the past hundred years.  Those decks are going more for an "aged" look, while these are more "faded" than "aged".

I could picture a wicked color change...  Let's say you have the original Ice Blue deck - the one with a standard blue back but an all-blue front.  Start with that deck, choose a card, then "fade" it down to standard Bike blue.  From that, you fade it further, into an 1800 Bike blue.  Lastly, you "wash" the 1800 'cause it's so filthy, and you end up with a Pale Rider blue!  You could weave a pretty cool story around it.


You bring up a good point in using it with other cards. But it still doesn't do it for me. It's kinda of cool I guess? And any collector of Bikes i'm sure will pick it up, other than that I just don't like it at all. The 1800 series is going for the same thing but with some dirtiness mixed in with it. I just compared the cards and they are a little less worn with that dirty feel, something I much prefer even if the concepts are slightly different.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 17, 2012, 07:50:05 PM


You bring up a good point in using it with other cards. But it still doesn't do it for me. It's kinda of cool I guess? And any collector of Bikes i'm sure will pick it up, other than that I just don't like it at all. The 1800 series is going for the same thing but with some dirtiness mixed in with it. I just compared the cards and they are a little less worn with that dirty feel, something I much prefer even if the concepts are slightly different.


Alex said it earlier, they're more of a gaff deck.  I doubt you'd ever find serious players using these cards at the table and they don't have as much appeal to collectors, unless they happen to like strange variations.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: CBJ on January 18, 2012, 07:33:14 AM
I don't really know about these ones.

The faded deck is VERY similar to this one, maybe too similar.

And the pricepoint seems very high.

CBJ
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 18, 2012, 08:45:06 AM
I don't really know about these ones.

The faded deck is VERY similar to this one, maybe too similar.

And the pricepoint seems very high.

CBJ


If these folks are the only sellers, and they're charging that much, this deck is dead in the water...  BMPW gave up on them because of the constant delays on the release.  BTW: I haven't heard squat back from them via email.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: DidoDido on January 25, 2012, 11:22:42 PM
well.... today is 26th of Jan and it suppose to shipped 22th of Jan... anyone who received their package ??
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 25, 2012, 11:38:03 PM
well.... today is 26th of Jan and it suppose to shipped 22th of Jan... anyone who received their package ??


The website selling it is still indicating that it's on pre-order and will ship four days ago.  That's right, they take your order and go into the past using a souped-up Delorean to have your order shipped on January 22nd...


BMPokerWorld gave up on trying to stock this deck because it was delayed on multiple occasions.  This could simply be just another delay.  I emailed to get a status update on them.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: munro159 on January 26, 2012, 02:12:13 AM
Agree with @SABACC....If BMPOKER is backing out on these you know something is fishy!  Seems like I read (over @ UC maybe) he had already paid and was having trouble getting his money back for these!  I have never purchased anything from this seller so I don't even know if he is legit or not.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 26, 2012, 02:20:49 AM
Agree with @SABACC....If BMPOKER is backing out on these you know something is fishy!  Seems like I read (over @ UC maybe) he had already paid and was having trouble getting his money back for these!  I have never purchased anything from this seller so I don't even know if he is legit or not.


Yeah I thought it was a little fishy as well. I've been waiting to see if anything new comes up with this deck before I purchased any for that reason. Luckily I won't have to deal with haha Hopefully they do end up producing this one. I think it's pretty nifty
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 30, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
This is the latest from Jenne Smith at the Magic Depot, the company that commissioned the deck:


Hello Don! The first run of cards did arrive this past weekend. The finish on these were not the quality we were expecting. We are not shipping these decks as they are not a good enough product. We shipped them back and are requiring this be redone before shipping to our customers. I am sorry for the trouble. Thanks!
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Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 30, 2012, 10:02:20 PM
...great! I won't be expecting anything from this for a while  :-[

not a big surprise though, honestly.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: DidoDido on January 30, 2012, 10:32:14 PM

Hello Don! The first run of cards did arrive this past weekend. The finish on these were not the quality we were expecting. We are not shipping these decks as they are not a good enough product. We shipped them back and are requiring this be redone before shipping to our customers. I am sorry for the trouble. Thanks!



what..? It should printed by USPCC and how they didn`t check the Quality before they printing out final model .. !!
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 31, 2012, 01:31:11 AM
...great! I won't be expecting anything from this for a while  :-[

not a big surprise though, honestly.

It's swiftly becoming the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the playing card business!  I think that she's being more than a little disingenuous about receiving them and sending them back for quality issues.  These kinks are usually worked out long before the "ready to ship" stage.  Wouldn't surprise me to learn they're waiting on enough paid pre-orders to pay for the deck to be made, like a Kickstarter project without Kickstarter!

Unless someone else makes it, I don't see this deck ever getting made.  I doubt BMPokerWorld is the only card dealer to have backed out on this endeavor.

I may write her back for laughs, just to see what she says about an ETA on the deck.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 31, 2012, 01:35:40 AM
You should write her back. All it can do is give us more information on what's "happening". I would actually like to know because if this deck is ever released I would like to get a couple of each color.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 31, 2012, 02:38:36 AM
You should write her back. All it can do is give us more information on what's "happening". I would actually like to know because if this deck is ever released I would like to get a couple of each color.

Here's my reply to Ms. Smith.  Hopefully this will generate a reaction.

I'm surprised that these failed to get caught in the quality-control phase of production.  Can you tell me more about what happened?  What were the specific problems that led your firm to reject the shipment and request a replacement?  Do you have an estimate on when the corrected decks will be available?

Many of the people on the message board where I write about collectible playing cards are very interested in this deck, and we've heard rumors that it's been delayed several times.  In fact, BMPokerWorld announced on their blog months ago that they canceled their order of this deck because of the long string of delays.  Can you comment on that?  What card dealers have orders in place that they haven't canceled, so we may know where else to find these cards in the future?
 
What do you think?
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 31, 2012, 03:00:29 AM
It's good. If they answer the questions we will pretty much know the whole story on the deck, but I doubt that'll happen. There's a lot of questions in there and I can see them being general on the matter.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 31, 2012, 03:04:17 AM
I liked the whole "inquiring minds want to know" angle I started to take!  Damn - I was offered a gig writing about the playing card world over at another board - perhaps I missed my calling...
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: CBJ on January 31, 2012, 09:35:32 AM
These delays make this company look less land less reputable.

Seriously, these have been advertized for a long time.

I really don't think I'd purchase anything from their site.

CBJ
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 31, 2012, 03:12:18 PM
You're right about that one CBJ. We've actually been talking about being reputable in one of my classes and how it's the audience/consumer that decides if you are or not. This company is losing that with all the delays. If they do end up releasing them and I hear good things about the shipping and whatnot I might get some still. Who knows if that day will come though.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Evan on January 31, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
I agree with CBJ... how can they expect us to trust them and buy from them when they keep delaying this.
How do we know they won't keep delaying our shipment?
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 31, 2012, 05:28:53 PM
I agree with CBJ... how can they expect us to trust them and buy from them when they keep delaying this.
How do we know they won't keep delaying our shipment?

That's a great point and my biggest concern if they do get the decks and sell them. I wouldn't want to spend the money and have the decks be "delayed" for an uncertain amount of time. Since I haven't heard much about the seller and thus don't know how the shipping speed is I would be forced to wait and see if other people take the plunge and purchase any of these. If people do and the shipping/customer service wasn't horrible then I think I would get some. I wouldn't be surprised if others did as well in the end.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on January 31, 2012, 09:19:29 PM
OK, people, here's the straight deal from the company:



Hello Don! To clarify, there is nothing wrong with the printing on the Bicycle cards used to make Pale Riders. It is the aftermarket finish, exclusive to Pale Riders, that we are unhappy with. The quality was superb on the proofs, but in mass production the finish is inconsistent. Currently, we are obtaining the equipment necessary to produce the Pale Rider finish in-house, as I would like to launch a series of card tricks using the deck and am eager to see them on the market in regular supply.
 
We have stopped accepting new orders until we can get caught up on orders already received, which will ship the same day we have a product we feel is quality. Customers who wish to cancel their order, can do so for a refund or store credit. While there have been several delays, we are a reliable company. Since we first announced Pale Riders, we have produced, distributed, and successfully delivered many other new products.
 
If you have anymore questions, please don't hesitate to ask! Thanks Don!
 
- Aaron Smith
http://www.magic.org (http://www.magic.org/)



So, it turns out that "Pale Riders" are made out of ordinary Bicycles!  They're not QC'ed at USPC, 'cause they simply re-treat existing playing cards to make them faded.  It's just another variety of gaffed deck, not some new deck.


That answers a LOT of questions...
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: dmbaggs on January 31, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
Yeah that's a lot of answers! So it sounds like a legit reason for the delay, more or less. They were pretty timely in responding to you and it sounds like they are taking responsibility for what's up. Sounds good all in all!
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on February 01, 2012, 01:21:52 AM
I'm guessing they're using some sort of "whitewash" applied over the existing finish of a Bike deck.  They're not "fading" the deck so much as they are covering it up to not-quite-full opacity.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Evan on February 01, 2012, 08:52:31 AM
That really sounds odd. Making the finish in-house, making it from regular bike decks...
If theyre not actally printing the faded design, it could turn out different than expected
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: vmagic on February 01, 2012, 07:33:37 PM
Glad they refunded me then!
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on February 02, 2012, 10:20:10 AM
Without realizing just how accurate he was, Alex hit the nail on the head when he stated this was little more than a gaff deck.  I'd be curious to know how their finally-finished product turns out, though: imagine being able to IMPROVE the finish of any given deck after it's been made, not just make it look faded...
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: digipunk on February 02, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
I really don't want to read this thread... :'(
I ordered the Pale Riders in last February (yes, last February) and have been patient enough until last December... :'(
Then it took me more than 2 months to get the refund :'(
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on February 02, 2012, 04:49:26 PM
I really don't want to read this thread... :'(
I ordered the Pale Riders in last February (yes, last February) and have been patient enough until last December... :'(
Then it took me more than 2 months to get the refund :'(


This piece of vaporware's been around for a YEAR, waiting to go on sale?  No wonder BMPW gave up on them.  Even if they do come out, I think they've lost the confidence of the market by now.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Evan on February 02, 2012, 04:53:03 PM
I really don't want to read this thread... :'(
I ordered the Pale Riders in last February (yes, last February) and have been patient enough until last December... :'(
Then it took me more than 2 months to get the refund :'(
Are you serious!?!?!! Thats just crazy! There is no way that I will buy these or anything from that company.
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: moonexe on February 02, 2012, 04:58:12 PM
Um, about the deck being made from pre-existing bikes, I thought that was obvious from the start... Isn't it what they say in the item description to begin with? Didn't you guys read that? :P
Title: Re: NEW DECK -- Bicycle Pale Riders
Post by: Don Boyer on February 02, 2012, 05:30:16 PM
Um, about the deck being made from pre-existing bikes, I thought that was obvious from the start... Isn't it what they say in the item description to begin with? Didn't you guys read that? :P


Reading it again, I see it buried in the "legalese-ish" ad text.  That description could be thought of more as descriptive ad text rather than an actual "disclaimer" of some sort though.  It reads more like hyperbole.