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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Nurul on November 10, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
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I've not seen this around the discourse yet, if it is, I apologise and please do merge it.
Anyway, looks like these are being released in 4 days. They have a red, blue and black. I think only red is being released first though. Not too sure who's releasing them, saw zenneth kok saying it's the makers of the bicycle lancer x and bicycle faith decks.
Anyway, here's some pics to look at. Taken from bicycle cards Facebook page and Kete Moon's Facebook page.
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Some more images
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Like the box more than the cards themselves… Would pick up two depending on price…
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And this is from CardsDancing? I didn't know they made the Bicycle Faith deck as well as Bicycle Lancer EX.
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I've seen them in Hong Kong.
I can't remember the exact price they were going at, but it was more than what I paid for the HOPC Nauticals (~12USD each). I did chat with the staff about the red normal deck and the black test deck.
When factoring the other decks I got in that haul, they weren't high up on my interest meter.
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Does this deck come with black and white version.
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I saw someone on eBay selling a red deck for about $15 USD, from Hong Kong. It sold before I could put it on my watch list and post a picture here. It has a Fontaine look to them. I agree with JMROCK, I'm liking the box more then the cards. The bottom of the "test" deck photo does say Q1. Is it really Bee stock? I get the feeling these could be Bicycle Stock, Air-Cushion Finish and had the Bee name slapped on.
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I saw someone on eBay selling a red deck for about $15 USD, from Hong Kong. It sold before I could put it on my watch list and post a picture here. It has a Fontaine look to them. I agree with JMROCK, I'm liking the box more then the cards. The bottom of the "test" deck photo does say Q1. Is it really Bee stock? I get the feeling these could be Bicycle Stock, Air-Cushion Finish and had the Bee name slapped on.
In addition to saying "Q1", it also says "Casino Stock." USPC only has one casino stock these days, and that's Bee, not Bicycle. Why wouldn't it be Bee stock? (Though you do have to bear in mind that there is some thickness overlap between the two stocks...)
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I saw someone on eBay selling a red deck for about $15 USD, from Hong Kong. It sold before I could put it on my watch list and post a picture here. It has a Fontaine look to them. I agree with JMROCK, I'm liking the box more then the cards. The bottom of the "test" deck photo does say Q1. Is it really Bee stock? I get the feeling these could be Bicycle Stock, Air-Cushion Finish and had the Bee name slapped on.
In addition to saying "Q1", it also says "Casino Stock." USPC only has one casino stock these days, and that's Bee, not Bicycle. Why wouldn't it be Bee stock? (Though you do have to bear in mind that there is some thickness overlap between the two stocks...)
"Casino Stock" I must of overlooked that. I guess it happens to all of us in "old age" (aristocrat stingers). Lol
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I think it was Zenneth who mentioned (maybe not on here) that cardistry and 1902 don't really go together, and I can see his point. I don't think it needed the 1902 part of the name.
From a personal point of view, I feel like words like 'quality' should be used a with a little more subtlety. If you need to emblazon a deck with that word, or any other product for that matter - it instantly makes me think it perhaps may not be. So the design isn't for me overall, but if that blue is the actual blue used on the deck - I love that colour.
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Another photo of these cards
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I saw someone on eBay selling a red deck for about $15 USD, from Hong Kong. It sold before I could put it on my watch list and post a picture here. It has a Fontaine look to them. I agree with JMROCK, I'm liking the box more then the cards. The bottom of the "test" deck photo does say Q1. Is it really Bee stock? I get the feeling these could be Bicycle Stock, Air-Cushion Finish and had the Bee name slapped on.
In addition to saying "Q1", it also says "Casino Stock." USPC only has one casino stock these days, and that's Bee, not Bicycle. Why wouldn't it be Bee stock? (Though you do have to bear in mind that there is some thickness overlap between the two stocks...)
"Casino Stock" I must of overlooked that. I guess it happens to all of us in "old age" (aristocrat stingers). Lol
Well, I was quoting from memory - the actual phrase used was "Casino Paper" and it's on the same line where is says "Q1".
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Does this deck come with black and white version.
Unlikely. The B&W version are test decks. I'm not even sure if those are commercially available.
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So have these been released and if not where are they being released?
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So have these been released and if not where are they being released?
Kete Moon probably knows and has it posted on his youthwant.cn page. How's your Mandarin? :))
Seriously, I have no idea. I get the impression they're another of those "China-first" deck releases where we just get the leftovers.
EDIT just got an email. Go to this site (http://www.qualitybeedeck.com). They aren't cheap.
$13.80 per deck, 10% discount per brick, two-brick limit.
Postage to USA / other countries
1-3 decks $4.20 / $9.00 (one deck), $11 (two or three)
4-12 decks $9.50 / $18.95
13-24 decks $14.00 / $26.00
Only 500 decks available.
You ask me, it's not worth it.
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Just picked up 2 from them...Yeah it's a bit pricey but they need to be part of the collection hehehe
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See, now you HAVE to show them off when you get them... :))
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Seems like a lot of hassle - emailing and getting a PayPal invoice, not sure why they can't make them available on site. Pretty easy to do a basic checkout these days.
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JP..Actually it took about 5 minutes for me to get an invoice, once I emailed them...Overall it was painless. Plus it was way cheaper than using the seller I usually use for these type of decks. he wants $22.95 plus $7 shipping for 1 deck
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JP..Actually it took about 5 minutes for me to get an invoice, once I emailed them...Overall it was painless. Plus it was way cheaper than using the seller I usually use for these type of decks. he wants $22.95 plus $7 shipping for 1 deck
Fair enough, I stand corrected :)
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But I am not sure if anyone else had the same experience of course...I was expecting to wait because I did it in the morning my time where it was the middle of the night over there but they were pretty quick in their reply. I will let you know how long it takes to get them
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Got my 2 decks today...Looks like David was handling the shipping for that Chinese company...He now has them on Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-DECKS-Quality-Bee-playing-cards-from-USPC-/251390668376?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a880d2e58 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-DECKS-Quality-Bee-playing-cards-from-USPC-/251390668376?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a880d2e58)
Looks like I saved $2 by buying overseas hehehe
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Anyone else order these decks from http://www.qualitybeedeck.com and not receive them? I placed my order back in November 2013 and have yet to receive any decks. When I emailed about a tracking number they said they'd get back to me with one, but again, nothing.
Just curious to know how legit this is.
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I didn't get mine either. Seemed a little fishy from jump so I only ordered 1. Emailed them a while back and didn't get a reply. Purchased one from another seller since. Pretty sure We're never gonna see them.
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I have yet to receive anything either!
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You guys should contact Dave if you have never received your decks. I got mine I think 1 or 2 weeks after ordering. Dave aka Pokerstud52 on ebay was handling the shipping for those decks
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That's great! Thanks for the tip....yeah, never received the decks.
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I recently came into this deck - four colors: blue, red, black and brown. So far, I've been playing around with a pack of the blue.
Am I just "lucky," or did they all have two Queens of Hearts and no Queen of Diamonds?
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I recently came into this deck - four colors: blue, red, black and brown. So far, I've been playing around with a pack of the blue.
Am I just "lucky," or did they all have two Queens of Hearts and no Queen of Diamonds?
oh interesting, do you think they do that on purpose as a gaff card?
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I recently came into this deck - four colors: blue, red, black and brown. So far, I've been playing around with a pack of the blue.
Am I just "lucky," or did they all have two Queens of Hearts and no Queen of Diamonds?
oh interesting, do you think they do that on purpose as a gaff card?
I don't know - it sounds more like either a printing accident or a sorting accident. I wanted to know if anyone else had the same thing in their decks. Do you?
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Do any of you know if this is genuine?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-Deck-Black-Quality-Bee-cardistry-Deck-Playing-Cards-test-version-Rare-/181308724944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a36d796d0
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I typed in the UPC code in Amazon, and it pulled up the same type deck but in red. So that part checks out.
http://www.amazon.com/MMS-Quality-Bee-USPCC-Trick/dp/B00HSLLO36/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430143957&sr=8-1&keywords=073854020906
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Do any of you know if this is genuine?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-Deck-Black-Quality-Bee-cardistry-Deck-Playing-Cards-test-version-Rare-/181308724944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a36d796d0
If I remember correctly, there was a small batch of black Quality Bee decks created, but never sold. These seem to look legit, but my best advice is to write the seller, and ask more questions. Also request more photos.
Hope that helps.
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Do any of you know if this is genuine?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-Deck-Black-Quality-Bee-cardistry-Deck-Playing-Cards-test-version-Rare-/181308724944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a36d796d0
If I remember correctly, there was a small batch of black Quality Bee decks created, but never sold. These seem to look legit, but my best advice is to write the seller, and ask more questions. Also request more photos.
Hope that helps.
I was lucky enough to receive a few of the black Quality Bee decks as a gift. The deck in the photo looks just like the ones I received, with the major exception being that mine are cellophane-sealed while that one appears to be unwrapped.
I have no idea how rare they all are, but in addition to the blue, red and black, I also received a BROWN Quality deck - note that I left out the word "Bee." While the face and back designs are identical to the Quality Bee decks, the brown deck has a different Ace of Spades, different jokers and only 54 cards (no ad cards) instead of 56 - it wasn't manufactured by USPC. I don't know who made it, but it's a decent-quality deck, not some shoddy dollar-store cardboard deck.
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I was lucky enough to receive a few of the black Quality Bee decks as a gift.
I wish I get some gifts too haha.
I am asking the seller about this card, but for that price I am not too sure if it is worth buying.
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It's a nice deck, but not $150 nice - cheapest price I can find them for, from a seller in Hong Kong.
Give it time and there's a strong chance the price will drop. The only problem is that supply may dry up as well. Either that or take a nice, deep breath, exhale, say "I can live without this deck" and move on to the next one. New decks are indeed like trains in Europe - there's ALWAYS another one coming, usually sooner than later.
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It's a nice deck, but not $150 nice - cheapest price I can find them for, from a seller in Hong Kong.
Give it time and there's a strong chance the price will drop. The only problem is that supply may dry up as well. Either that or take a nice, deep breath, exhale, say "I can live without this deck" and move on to the next one. New decks are indeed like trains in Europe - there's ALWAYS another one coming, usually sooner than later.
I can live without this haha and bee deck hasn't been my favourite so far. It's just that I am amazed a bee deck will cost that much, and I haven't seen the black colour previously so I thought it might be a fake.
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Forgive me: i scrolled the forum several times and i couldn't find a place to ask, so i post here.
I've recently bought a deck of blue bee quality deck.
I want to know more about this deck, why is it good for cardistry, what kind of finish does it have, is it really a limited edition, etc...
Moreover, since i bought on ebay, i would like to know how to establish if a deck is not a fake or a reprint.
yes, i read a "1st edition" on the bottom, but i need your knowledge.
Also, i wonder what's the serial number for...
Those are newbie questions, but i got to start somewhere!
Thanks for helping
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Forgive me: i scrolled the forum several times and i couldn't find a place to ask, so i post here.
I've recently bought a deck of blue bee quality deck.
I want to know more about this deck, why is it good for cardistry, what kind of finish does it have, is it really a limited edition, etc...
Moreover, since i bought on ebay, i would like to know how to establish if a deck is not a fake or a reprint.
yes, i read a "1st edition" on the bottom, but i need your knowledge.
Also, i wonder what's the serial number for...
Those are newbie questions, but i got to start somewhere!
Thanks for helping
Hi, I've merged your topic and two others about the same deck. It's not a vintage deck, so it wouldn't go in A Cellar of Fine Vintages - anything under 20 years old goes here, in the Playing Card Plethora.
As you can see by looking at the older posts, we have a fair amount of info on this deck already.
All late-model custom decks from USPC have "Magic Finish" by default - the designer/producer would have to request Standard Finish if they wanted it. Standard is what's used on their mass-produced decks, while Magic Finish (alternately known as Performance Coating, as well as being sold under a few other names) is somewhat slicker. You can actually tell the difference by smell, if your nose is sensitive enough! Magic Finish has a sharper, more chemical smell to it out of the box, and the smell lingers for several weeks after, months if you rarely use the deck.
Cardistry... Well, the qualities of a good cardistry deck are as individual as the people who perform cardistry moves! Some like the slicker finishes for fans and other flourishes that involve sliding cards against each other. Some prefer a finish that's not as slick, so they can perform more precise cuts without packets trying to slide apart.
Mind you, I'm using the term "finish" incorrectly. Technically, a finish is a card's texture, and there's really only two - smooth and embossed. There's a lot of marketing, names like "Air Cushion," "Cambric," "Linoid," "Linen," etc., but in the end, those are all embossed, period. Ivory? Just another way of saying "smooth." What I've been talking about, more accurately, is the coating that goes on the paper.
Coatings were once all plastic. However, I learned not too long ago that for the past five or six years, they're no longer using plastics - in fact, any card printed in the US today doesn't have any petroleum products in it. The Federal Government mandated that printers of playing cards switch to papers with more post-consumer recycled content, inks based on vegetable dyes and coatings created from starch instead of plastic. Foreign printers are still free to use these chemicals, but it's probably only a matter of time before they switch as well - the new cards are more easily biodegraded and, because they lack petroleum, don't require petroleum imports in order to make them, making the country of origin that much less dependent on oil-producing nations.
The blue Quality deck was interesting - it was actually misprinted. If you look in the pack, you'll see that there's two Queens of Hearts, but no Queen of Diamonds. I used one of the jokers to substitute for it in my opened pack. I think that a card dealer I known mentioned that there was a second printing that corrected the mistake, but I haven't seen it myself. Mine, like yours, mentioned "1st Edition - Casino Paper - Q1 Quality" among the copyright info on the bottom of the tuck box.
There's a total of four decks in the series to date. There's the red and blue decks - I think blue was first, but the earlier posts in this topic should have that information. There's a black deck, believed to be an unreleased prototype but found "in the wild" every now and then, and there's a brown deck not Bee-branded or made by USPC - it has the "Quality" card back in brown, but uses a more generic Ace of Spades and Joker and bears no USPC markings anywhere. It has an oversized deck seal on it that mentions a web site, qualitybeedeck.com, which is no longer in operation. This is the only mention of the term "bee" anywhere on the deck.
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thanks!
i've bought my decks from pokerstud52, i've seen you guys know him.
the fact that makes me think it exists a reprint it's just that i dont have a double queen of hearts as you mentioned.
i knew that only 4000 blue decks were printed (thank god! those are not good as i expected) but by looking at pictures it seems that the box is slightly different, that makes me think of a second print of those.
just wondering, i've also noticed that beequalitydeck.com (or something similar) doesn't exist anymore, so i cant gather my information by the maker directly. (why the company disappeared? do people got their deck eventually?)
I've read mr. Asher likes that deck, don't know if it's true, anyway i'd like to hear the stories of our friends that have them: what do you like/dislike about this deck?
i'll make a review i guess, when i get all the information
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The website in question was probably created for the sale of the cards, and was folded shortly after there were no more left.
They're nice cards. The design is simple. I really like the shade of red that was used for them, but it's a very dark shade, nearly black it's so dark. I'm thinking it wouldn't be to everyone's tastes. Good stock. The brown one is very different - reminds me more of a deck from Legends or Expert than from USPC.
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I've seen on a few websites which sell the Brown Quality deck, that in the item description there is a claim that the deck was printed by EPCC to Jerry's Nuggest specification and it matches something like 85% of the feel of a Jerry's deck.
Whilst the brown deck is genuinely nice, I don't see anything on the box or cards which says EPCC. The tuck box does appear to use a template that is identical to the one used by the factory in Taiwan that LPCC and EPCC use.
It's kind of tough to know for certain what the exact truth about that deck really is.
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I've seen on a few websites which sell the Brown Quality deck, that in the item description there is a claim that the deck was printed by EPCC to Jerry's Nuggest specification and it matches something like 85% of the feel of a Jerry's deck.
Whilst the brown deck is genuinely nice, I don't see anything on the box or cards which says EPCC. The tuck box does appear to use a template that is identical to the one used by the factory in Taiwan that LPCC and EPCC use.
It's kind of tough to know for certain what the exact truth about that deck really is.
Now that I think of it, I did handle a Jerry's Nugget deck for the first time at Bill Kalush's office nearly two weeks ago. The feel was consistent with that brown deck - but it's also close to a lot of what EPCC and LPCC create. That's probably by design. Bill's no slouch when it comes to making decks, and the decks from both companies are produced using his assistance and specifications. It would shock me not in the least to learn this was his intent from the very beginning.
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Reading this made me want to open my brown deck :P
Don, do you know any other deck that comes close to these 2 decks?
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Reading this made me want to open my brown deck :P
Don, do you know any other deck that comes close to these 2 decks?
The Classic Twins are very close to this. EPCC's Master Finish is the same as LPCC's Diamond Finish, if I recall, and both are close to the texture/handling of J-Nuggs - and that's not by accident, either. The Bee 216s are also close, though if I recall, Bill Kalush himself said those are only about 85% of the way to what he was trying to achieve with them. Classic Twins have a really good stock/coating/finish combination, a bit softer than the recent White Signature NOCs release.
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The Classic Twins are very close to this. EPCC's Master Finish is the same as LPCC's Diamond Finish, if I recall, and both are close to the texture/handling of J-Nuggs - and that's not by accident, either. The Bee 216s are also close, though if I recall, Bill Kalush himself said those are only about 85% of the way to what he was trying to achieve with them. Classic Twins have a really good stock/coating/finish combination, a bit softer than the recent White Signature NOCs release.
I am assuming the classic twins also includes classic Gold... I don't have the classic twins but the Gold is pretty good. I never like the back though that's why I didn't get the twins.
Do you think Bill Kalush will creat something even closer to the JN?
I am still waiting for my white NOC.. Then I will try them as well.
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The Classic Twins are very close to this. EPCC's Master Finish is the same as LPCC's Diamond Finish, if I recall, and both are close to the texture/handling of J-Nuggs - and that's not by accident, either. The Bee 216s are also close, though if I recall, Bill Kalush himself said those are only about 85% of the way to what he was trying to achieve with them. Classic Twins have a really good stock/coating/finish combination, a bit softer than the recent White Signature NOCs release.
I am assuming the classic twins also includes classic Gold... I don't have the classic twins but the Gold is pretty good. I never like the back though that's why I didn't get the twins.
Do you think Bill Kalush will creat something even closer to the JN?
I am still waiting for my white NOC.. Then I will try them as well.
Actually, he'll probably strive for making something BETTER.
By Classic Twins, I meant just that - Classic Twins. The common ones - the two-deck box with a red and blue deck in it. I haven't handled the others, so no, the rare and sold-out Classic Gold and Classic Black are NOT part of "Classic Twins," though they are "Classic" decks.
I had been using them so much and in so many places, I actually took a paper towel out and using just a little elbow grease wiped off the edges of the tops and bottoms of the cards. They cleaned up nicely - not perfect, but they looked better and performed a wee bit more smoothly. I don't have the photo handy but hopefully will soon and will attach it here.
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Actually, he'll probably strive for making something BETTER.
By Classic Twins, I meant just that - Classic Twins. The common ones - the two-deck box with a red and blue deck in it. I haven't handled the others, so no, the rare and sold-out Classic Gold and Classic Black are NOT part of "Classic Twins," though they are "Classic" decks.
I had been using them so much and in so many places, I actually took a paper towel out and using just a little elbow grease wiped off the edges of the tops and bottoms of the cards. They cleaned up nicely - not perfect, but they looked better and performed a wee bit more smoothly. I don't have the photo handy but hopefully will soon and will attach it here.
They are in "Classic" family, so I just assume they are the same. In fact from what I read on CARC, it seems that the gold handle differently from the twins (slightly though). Whereas the black is exactly the same as the twins with the exceptions of the tuck box.
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They are in "Classic" family, so I just assume they are the same. In fact from what I read on CARC, it seems that the gold handle differently from the twins (slightly though). Whereas the black is exactly the same as the twins with the exceptions of the tuck box.
Odds are, they are the same. But as I don't have any, I couldn't say. I was referring only to the Twins because the Twins are what I know. I saw the Classic line as inexpensive decks that make a good alternative to Bicycles and Tally Hos, so I didn't make any exceptional effort to get the expensive variants.
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Hank,
The Classic Gold does indeed handle differently to the other 3 decks in the EPCC Classic line.
The minimal ink coverage makes a much bigger difference to the Classic Gold than I had imagined -- it's by far my favourite from the four, and they're the only classic finish deck that I practice with (at present).
The red, blue, and black decks aren't bad at all... but the gold deck is just too good -- its handling is a lot closer to that of the Sharps.
I've not got the red of blue Quality deck... I may get one at some point, and if its handling is anything near that of the classic twins, then I'll definitely be impressed!
The thing with Bee stock is that although it is thicker than Bicycle stock (which I think has sturdiness which isn't too far off newspaper), it feels somewhat "spongey", and so I'm never too confortable using Bee stock cards because I know that they can't take much of a battering. Classic finish is MUCH sturdier and longer lasting.
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I've not got the red of blue Quality deck... I may get one at some point, and if its handling is anything near that of the classic twins, then I'll definitely be impressed!
It's not the red or blue Quality Bee decks that feel like Classic Twins. It's the BROWN Quality deck - minus the "Bee" part, because they aren't Bee-branded and didn't come from USPC.
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I've not got the red of blue Quality deck... I may get one at some point, and if its handling is anything near that of the classic twins, then I'll definitely be impressed!
It's not the red or blue Quality Bee decks that feel like Classic Twins. It's the BROWN Quality deck - minus the "Bee" part, because they aren't Bee-branded and didn't come from USPC.
Oh... well in that case Don, I couldn't disagree more -- the Brown Quality deck feels nothing like the classic twins (or any other deck with the classic finish).
The Brown Quality deck feels actually feels like decks which use the master finish (the older master finish decks, which have less of a slick/glossy feel to them than current master finish decks such as the NOC V3 range). It probably uses the same imported card stock as what LPCC and EPCC use for their diamond/master finish decks.
Classic Finish decks have more of a papery feel to them, where as the Brown Quality deck doesn't. It's a totally different card stock altogether.
The closest thing I've felt to the Brown Quality deck is the Play Fair deck by Kei Izumi.
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I've not got the red of blue Quality deck... I may get one at some point, and if its handling is anything near that of the classic twins, then I'll definitely be impressed!
It's not the red or blue Quality Bee decks that feel like Classic Twins. It's the BROWN Quality deck - minus the "Bee" part, because they aren't Bee-branded and didn't come from USPC.
Oh... well in that case Don, I couldn't disagree more -- the Brown Quality deck feels nothing like the classic twins (or any other deck with the classic finish).
The Brown Quality deck feels actually feels like decks which use the master finish (the older master finish decks, which have less of a slick/glossy feel to them than current master finish decks such as the NOC V3 range). It probably uses the same imported card stock as what LPCC and EPCC use for their diamond/master finish decks.
Classic Finish decks have more of a papery feel to them, where as the Brown Quality deck doesn't. It's a totally different card stock altogether.
The closest thing I've felt to the Brown Quality deck is the Play Fair deck by Kei Izumi.
Classic Twins have a Master Finish on them. Says so on the box.
The one thing I can say definitively is that the brown Quality deck uses a stock nothing like USPC's present output.
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I've not got the red of blue Quality deck... I may get one at some point, and if its handling is anything near that of the classic twins, then I'll definitely be impressed!
It's not the red or blue Quality Bee decks that feel like Classic Twins. It's the BROWN Quality deck - minus the "Bee" part, because they aren't Bee-branded and didn't come from USPC.
Oh... well in that case Don, I couldn't disagree more -- the Brown Quality deck feels nothing like the classic twins (or any other deck with the classic finish).
The Brown Quality deck feels actually feels like decks which use the master finish (the older master finish decks, which have less of a slick/glossy feel to them than current master finish decks such as the NOC V3 range). It probably uses the same imported card stock as what LPCC and EPCC use for their diamond/master finish decks.
Classic Finish decks have more of a papery feel to them, where as the Brown Quality deck doesn't. It's a totally different card stock altogether.
The closest thing I've felt to the Brown Quality deck is the Play Fair deck by Kei Izumi.
Classic Twins have a Master Finish on them. Says so on the box.
The one thing I can say definitively is that the brown Quality deck uses a stock nothing like USPC's present output.
Wrong!!
Unless you have some special prototype classic twins, there's absolutely NO WAY the classic twins have the master finish.
The classic twins were the first mass produced/mainstream release for the classic finish... and so it makes no sense for EPCC to claim that the decks use the master finish.
The Sharps had diamond finish written on their box, despite being the very first deck to utilise the classic, but that appears to be purely because the term "classic finish" had not been coined yet. That wasn't the case with the classic twins though.
Forget the box, just touching the cards alone should be enough to determine that the classic finish has been used and not the master finish. Unlike USPCC, where linoid finish, air cushion, cambric, and half a dozen other names mean exactly the same thing, master finish and classic finish are nowhere near the same.
But yeah, I do totally agree that the Brown Quality deck is nothing like anything from USPCC. Definitely a lot more like LPCC and EPCC output.
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HolyJJ, you are correct. I was working off my memory, not the actual box in front of me. It is indeed Classic Finish on the Classic Twins.
As far as finish differences, stay tuned - and if you haven't yet, join 52+J. I'm working on an article for CARD CULTURE that should be out in the July issue, barring any unforeseen circumstances.
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Are cards treated after printing at all? NOCs feel kinda greasy to the touch to me..
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Are cards treated after printing at all? NOCs feel kinda greasy to the touch to me..
It's just the coating on the cards. Cards like the new NOCs from Expert PCC have a much different feel from cards by USPC. USPC's Magic Finish is slick, slick, slick, while the finish on EPCC and LPCC decks tends to have a variable blend of slip and traction, allowing for a greater degree of versatility in application. I like Magic Finish myself but I know some people who can't stand it, considering it to be way too slippery out of the box.
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Are cards treated after printing at all? NOCs feel kinda greasy to the touch to me..
It's just the coating on the cards. Cards like the new NOCs from Expert PCC have a much different feel from cards by USPC. USPC's Magic Finish is slick, slick, slick, while the finish on EPCC and LPCC decks tends to have a variable blend of slip and traction, allowing for a greater degree of versatility in application. I like Magic Finish myself but I know some people who can't stand it, considering it to be way too slippery out of the box.
Magic finish is great, but the coating doesn't last long. I used the virts 15 when I got them, I have to say I love them when I got it out of the box. After a few uses I found that they start to clump and very sensitive to temperature. But when I used NOC v3s they don't have that problem.
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Are cards treated after printing at all? NOCs feel kinda greasy to the touch to me..
It's just the coating on the cards. Cards like the new NOCs from Expert PCC have a much different feel from cards by USPC. USPC's Magic Finish is slick, slick, slick, while the finish on EPCC and LPCC decks tends to have a variable blend of slip and traction, allowing for a greater degree of versatility in application. I like Magic Finish myself but I know some people who can't stand it, considering it to be way too slippery out of the box.
Magic finish is great, but the coating doesn't last long. I used the virts 15 when I got them, I have to say I love them when I got it out of the box. After a few uses I found that they start to clump and very sensitive to temperature. But when I used NOC v3s they don't have that problem.
I know that Magic Finish has a decent amount of durability - but doesn't hold a candle to the decks from Legends and Expert. When I got the first Legends deck as a gift from Lawrence Sullivan, that thing was still going strong a year later when the second version was released! And that was with some regular usage - I even occasionally carried them as part of my set of "performing" decks I always have at hand.
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Couldn't agree more :)
I was actually disappointed with Virts 15 I thought they could last much longer..
I am happy with my brown Quality Bee deck so far. It is very similar to LPCC or EPCC deck