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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Don Boyer on October 28, 2013, 07:51:32 PM
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New deck from Brooke Michael's Poker World. Found out about it through email. Looks like a decent deck with a terrible name. I'm not likely to back it - I'm personally getting a little tired of "aged look" decks. Oh, and I'm not buying new decks anymore! :))
This our own brand new custom deck. We are now live on Kickstarter for you to pledge. Simply click on the lick below to pledge for this deck:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1036370092/bicycle-grungeland-playing-cards
This is how their life may have been in an alternate universe. Instead of bright and cheerful, it might have been dreary and bleak.
Bicycle Grungeland Playing Cards were inspired by Lewis Carroll and are printed by USPCC.
Inspired by the works of Lewis Carroll, this is our version of what life would have been like in an alternate universe for these beloved figures. A much darker and drearier place unfolds and is brought to life only by the bold colors of our characters.
Bicycle Branded & Printed by USPCC
Completely customized deck including: The court cards, jokers, aces, faces and back design.
Custom Tuck Box
Custom Seal
Air-Cushion Finish
Traditional Bicycle Stock
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Hmmm the deck does look pretty decent, I don't get the description though "a much darker and drearier place unfolds" - there's nothing dark or dreary about this (not that I can see anyway).
I'm not a fan of BMPW. I'll be sticking to my principles and not be backing the deck but I wish him the best.
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I agree with Don that the name kind of sucks... makes me think of zombieland rather than wonderland. Deck looks decent though, nothing to trade your first born for.... but better than a lot of others. The gaff looks kind of interesting, can't really think of how to use it though. I'll stay away from this one but wish them success.
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Lazy, lazy, LAZY!
Come on, really? It's just a bunch of ripped and photoshopped artwork from the original Alice in Wonderland books. Smack on a color filter and add a border courtesy of Google images, and bam! This deck.
Now, the original artist is long dead, and copyrights are lost to the ages (well, they never existed), but that still doesn't mean this is a passable deck.
(http://www.stampfrancisco.com/Images/Thumbs2/28-160.jpg)
(http://thealicegame.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1book41.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uoXWe-mEgIs/TaIlJscIOAI/AAAAAAAAA0s/ZXQZP2vyubk/s1600/Carroll-Alice1.jpg)
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Well that is disappointing..... It's still an ok looking deck, just loses it's uniqueness once you see those photos.
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Lazy, lazy, LAZY!
Come on, really? It's just a bunch of ripped and photoshopped artwork from the original Alice in Wonderland books. Smack on a color filter and add a border courtesy of Google images, and bam! This deck.
Now, the original artist is long dead, and copyrights are lost to the ages (well, they never existed), but that still doesn't mean this is a passable deck.
What - I thought you guys recognized the art already. I knew they were the original book images when I first saw them. Copyright did exist back then, but in the US, anything created before 1923 is no longer protected. For newer works, it varies due to the multiple changes in copyright law that have been pushed through Congress by lobbyists paid by media companies to protect their intellectual property.
At least he's not claiming it's his own work from his own hand, unlike SOME decks we could name... :)) He's just not giving attribution to the original artist, Sir John Tenniel.
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From an artistic point of view, i find this deck very unaesthetic. I have to admit, i roam on UC once in a while and saw when BMPoker posted this. I find it hilarious that everyone holds back from saying how terrible the execution is and instead choose to praise how "small the pips are" and how "it's very unique!". If this was created by anyone else, i wouldnt be surprised to see a very different response.
I do, however, like the Ace of Spades. But, that's about it. In the heavily competitive market right now on Kickstarter, there are many, many better alternatives. I highly doubt this will fund. I mean no disrespect and wish the respective creators/designers all the best.
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From an artistic point of view, i find this deck very unaesthetic. I have to admit, i roam on UC once in a while and saw when BMPoker posted this. I find it hilarious that everyone holds back from saying how terrible the execution is and instead choose to praise how "small the pips are" and how "it's very unique!". If this was created by anyone else, i wouldnt be surprised to see a very different response.
I do, however, like the Ace of Spades. But, that's about it. In the heavily competitive market right now on Kickstarter, there are many, many better alternatives. I highly doubt this will fund. I mean no disrespect and wish the respective creators/designers all the best.
I've always tried to keep myself away from the UC vs AC nonsense, but the reality is whilst you're entitled to your opinions about the forum, etc - a quick read of the thread on UC looks like most are saying what they think to me - there's definitely some criticism in a few replies.
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I've always tried to keep myself away from the UC vs AC nonsense, but the reality is whilst you're entitled to your opinions about the forum, etc - a quick read of the thread on UC looks like most are saying what they think to me - there's definitely some criticism in a few replies.
I've kept all personal shenanigans within me and out of my previous reply. Frankly, if it was a good, well rounded deck; I would praise it, like I have with many decks that i find attractive. Personally, I think that while the comments definitely have some criticism (and do not demonstrate total nut-hugging), it's evident that the forum users are being quite careful with their comments, and try to look for the little things rather than stab at the elephant in the room. Bluntly put, i think this deck, along with the UC deck (I love Randy's work on the Imperial and Luxuries) are total garbage. But what do i know, right?
Let's keep it real guys. Love to hear other people's opinions from an objective, non-biased point of view. Again, no disrespect intended whatsoever.
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I reckon this will eventually get funded, mainly because of the success of the white rabbit deck. I know there's no connection between the two "project managers" (I did want to say designers, but this deck isn't an original design whatsoever) but I reckon it'll succeed based on the fact that white rabbit succeeded.
It is disappointing to see that no credit is given to the actual illustrator. This will lead some people (if not a majority) to believe it's his own work, even if he technically hasn't said it is.
It's not the worst looking deck, it's not the greatest either.
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I've always tried to keep myself away from the UC vs AC nonsense, but the reality is whilst you're entitled to your opinions about the forum, etc - a quick read of the thread on UC looks like most are saying what they think to me - there's definitely some criticism in a few replies.
It's not even "UC vs. AC" anymore. In the near future, the entire site will be moved to playingcardforum.com and the current address will be changed into a redirect while people adjust. Alex sometimes refers to this place as the PCF, while I often call it the Discourse - it rolls off the tongue better, doesn't it? :))
But yeah, the attacks on each other and all that nonsense is pretty tired by now. As I see it, there's no reason why both boards can't coexist, and no reason why people can't be members of both, as they please. Live and let live, right?
Let's keep it real guys. Love to hear other people's opinions from an objective, non-biased point of view. Again, no disrespect intended whatsoever.
I have no bias. I thought that, for what it is, it isn't that bad. It's really just not to my liking. Is it the most original design ever made? No, but that can be said about a lot of decks - I'd call this one of the better ones of that lot. Does it have some appeal? Sure. But aged-look decks have flooded the market, and there's been more than a few Alice in Wonderland decks. I applaud the attempt to breathe life into both by combining the two styles, but I'm not so convinced he pulled it off here. The name is really not good at all. This paragraph also just doesn't ring true:
Inspired by the works of Lewis Carroll, this is our version of what life would have been like in an alternate universe for these beloved figures. A much darker and drearier place unfolds and is brought to life only by the bold colors of our characters.
Darker and drearier? By putting it on dirty-and-aged-look paper? Not really, no. It's the same art that was in the original book - how does that represent "an alternate universe"?
He's really just overselling it. A less-hyperbolic description would help this deck. The small indices are nice - I'm a sucker for the old-school look - and the detailed framework on the faces is nice. Now if only those photos were all properly converted to RGB... Some appear to have been CMYK in a previous life and didn't make the transition well, 'cause in my browser, on two different computers, they look like negatives. I can't really see what the tuck box or the deck back look like.
In summation - it's not the world's greatest deck, but it's far from the worst. If aged-look decks and Alice in Wonderland both appeal to you (and you can put up with the name), this would be a good deck for you.
Hey, a thought just occurred to me... This was the guy who railed heavy and hard against the Persian Empire deck for its lack of original art, and it, too, was an aged look deck. Aside from his lack of claims to the authorship of the art, these two decks are exceptionally similar to each other... :))
I reckon this will eventually get funded, mainly because of the success of the white rabbit deck. I know there's no connection between the two "project managers" (I did want to say designers, but this deck isn't an original design whatsoever) but I reckon it'll succeed based on the fact that white rabbit succeeded.
Actually, market saturation is more of a reason for a deck to FAIL, not succeed. Though the continued onslaught of both Cthulhu and steampunk decks would seem to say otherwise...
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I find it remarkable that they would use the word 'dreary' in their marketing - remember it means "depressingly dull and bleak or repetitive". Great, just what you want customers to think.
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I find it remarkable that they would use the word 'dreary' in their marketing - remember it means "depressingly dull and bleak or repetitive". Great, just what you want customers to think.
Remember, there are some Goths who might find the deck oh-so-appealing if you call it "dreary"... :))
Funny thing is - it's really NOT dreary at all! Just artificially aged...
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Inspired by the works of Lewis Carroll, this is our version of what life would have been like in an alternate universe for these beloved figures. A much darker and drearier place unfolds and is brought to life only by the bold colors of our characters.
Darker and drearier? By putting it on dirty-and-aged-look paper? Not really, no. It's the same art that was in the original book - how does that represent "an alternate universe"?
You covered my "Huh" moment right there Don. But I wish them luck with it.
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Is that Courtney Love on the box?
The KoH kinda looks like Kurt Cobain.
Nevermind. I think a more fitting name for this deck would be Alice In Chains.
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I think a more fitting name for this deck would be Alice In Rape Dungeon.
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Is that Courtney Love on the box?
The KoH kinda looks like Kurt Cobain.
Nevermind. I think a more fitting name for this deck would be Alice In Chains.
Funny you'd say that - it's the original art from the book when it was first published. Now "Alice in Chains" - Alice in Wonderland meets bondage gear...THAT would be an interesting deck to see! :))
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Take 2.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1036370092/bicycle-grungeland-playing-cards-alice-in-wondelan?ref=live
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Why bother?
In his first run, he only sent out 1 update, and didn't even have any incentives/stretch goals.
He has no idea how to run a successful KS campaign.
CBJ
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Why bother?
In his first run, he only sent out 1 update, and didn't even have any incentives/stretch goals.
He has no idea how to run a successful KS campaign.
CBJ
Have to agree with you here. I had initially backed it but cancelled my pledge a few days later after looking it over a bit more and realizing he wasn't going to take anyone's input on what needed to be changed, like removing the ketchup looking "blood" splatters. Nothing really popped out and made me want to own the deck. Good luck to him on his second go around, but I won't even be considering backing the deck.
As a side note, I do love small indices / pips. Much prefer them to standard font and I downright despise jumbo print decks. And believe when giving feedback, both good & bad items should be pointed out, no matter how small (pun intended).
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Pass...Pass Pass next
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It looks a little different, but not enough. Same original book art, same terrible name, no prizes beyond the deck itself, an uncut and one of his acrylic display cases.
There's more I could say, but I'll simply leave it at "This has little chance of succeeding, because he seems to be doing a very effective job of alienating his potential backers."
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Is that Courtney Love on the box?
The KoH kinda looks like Kurt Cobain.
Nevermind. I think a more fitting name for this deck would be Alice In Chains.
Funny you'd say that - it's the original art from the book when it was first published. Now "Alice in Chains" - Alice in Wonderland meets bondage gear...THAT would be an interesting deck to see! :))
The art looks like it is based on original art from the book but Vectoria Designs own the current design of that deck
http://www.etsy.com/listing/114665540/grunge-alice-in-wonderland-playing-cards (http://www.etsy.com/listing/114665540/grunge-alice-in-wonderland-playing-cards)
I think if I remember Mike bought the art or something. Anyway moving on
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The art looks like it is based on original art from the book but Vectoria Designs own the current design of that deck
http://www.etsy.com/listing/114665540/grunge-alice-in-wonderland-playing-cards (http://www.etsy.com/listing/114665540/grunge-alice-in-wonderland-playing-cards)
I think if I remember Mike bought the art or something. Anyway moving on
This, coming from the guy who raked the creator of the Persian Empire decks over the coals for using someone else's art and not giving any credit to the artist? The man who invested one dollar in his deck just for the privilege of being able to hound him on his project pages in front of his investors? P'shaw...
I'm thinking of a word...nine letters...begins with "h", ends with "e"...has a "ypocrit" in the middle...
Though, to be fair, at least he didn't try mocking up a "drawing session" video consisting of him tracing one of the designs in pencil WHILE ON A CARPET...
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It would be great to hear from Mike regarding the story behind this deck… Did he indeed buy the rights to the art? I'm surprised that he hasn't made a statement in support of his deck… Also kudos to CBJ for speaking his mind even though he runs UC…
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JMrock Both CBJ and myself have been banned from the UC forums last month so we do not have anything to do with UC anymore
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Well, I received a message from a friend that got me up to speed on the situation and what can I say other than - I'm shocked… So now I know why Mike hasn't commented on the deck and now I know why you and CBJ have so much to say all of a sudden… Glad you are both away from the negativity… Welcome… Have a great holiday season!!!
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Well, I received a message from a friend that got me up to speed on the situation and what can I say other than - I'm shocked… So now I know why Mike hasn't commented on the deck and now I know why you and CBJ have so much to say all of a sudden… Glad you are both away from the negativity… Welcome… Have a great holiday season!!!
You and I need to get together and talk shop more often... :)) It's been a few weeks now since that shook down.
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Well, I received a message from a friend that got me up to speed on the situation and what can I say other than - I'm shocked… So now I know why Mike hasn't commented on the deck and now I know why you and CBJ have so much to say all of a sudden… Glad you are both away from the negativity… Welcome… Have a great holiday season!!!
Yeah, you can read about it here
http://aethercards.com/discourse/introduce-yourself/hello-all-5491/
JMRock - check your Private Messages
Jay
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Well, I received a message from a friend that got me up to speed on the situation and what can I say other than - I'm shocked… So now I know why Mike hasn't commented on the deck and now I know why you and CBJ have so much to say all of a sudden… Glad you are both away from the negativity… Welcome… Have a great holiday season!!!
Yeah, you can read about it here
http://aethercards.com/discourse/introduce-yourself/hello-all-5491/
JMRock - check your Private Messages
Jay
Yeesh.
It's absolutely insane for a Forum owner to throw out his mods like that. Mike has some really serious problems.
Well, UC's loss is our gain. It's awesome to have you both on the forum!
Getting back to the cards, why exactly did he even relaunch? The art's the exact same, and so is the goal. After the first project flopped so bad, you'd think he'd just throw in the towel and scrap the idea.
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Getting back to the cards, why exactly did he even relaunch? The art's the exact same, and so is the goal. After the first project flopped so bad, you'd think he'd just throw in the towel and scrap the idea.
Technically, it wasn't a flop, per se - he shut the project down himself, though at a point where his chances of successful completion were pretty slim.
I believe it comes from his tenaciousness. He's working to make this project a success - but seems to feel that sheer force of will alone will be enough to do it. Unless he does something to breathe new life into the project, it doesn't look good.
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Would it be terribly boorish to create a deck That actually succeeded at doing what his deck is failing at?
Make a well designed, well thought out, well presented and well titled deck themed after a dark take on Alice in Wonderland; something inspired by American McGee's Alice (The truly definitely dark take on the story) with a Victorian spin that makes it feel more in line with a classic playing card aesthetic.
And does it bother anyone else that the Queen of Hearts isn't the queen of Hearts? I feel like I must have missed where someone must have already posted this..
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Would it be terribly boorish to create a deck That actually succeeded at doing what his deck is failing at?
Make a well designed, well thought out, well presented and well titled deck themed after a dark take on Alice in Wonderland; something inspired by American McGee's Alice (The truly definitely dark take on the story) with a Victorian spin that makes it feel more in line with a classic playing card aesthetic.
And does it bother anyone else that the Queen of Hearts isn't the queen of Hearts? I feel like I must have missed where someone must have already posted this..
You might do well to license American McGee's Alice... The Name of the Wind was licensed and it earned a half-million dollars.
If you can do the job better than this deck, by all means - go for it.
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I will start with my opinion and then explain it
I don't like this deck
I don't feel that the artwork taken from a fantastic source is done any kind of Justice.
It feels crammed in. And as far as the concept of a dreary alternate universe... This is created by a spot of blood and the cards being "muddied up"
I was so happy when this was cancelled the first time. Now that it is back, with so many days to reach it's goal, I fear that it may succeed.
I don't say this out of spite but out of the fact that I would love to see a decent deck made using the same artwork and if this succeeds no one would try it.
As far as a darker American McGees Alice, I know Shane tyree was working on a darker deck when he was with Albino dragon. They were going to do that one and for some reason they decided to go with the straight version with "White Rabbit". Which I was ok with as it was a nice deck... however he used the darker version of the Cheshire cat he created which I didn't feel went with the whole feel.
I contacted Erik after the campaign ended (but before Shane got the boot and asked if they would be doing the darker version, at the time he said they would)
But I digress
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I was so happy when this was cancelled the first time. Now that it is back, with so many days to reach it's goal, I fear that it may succeed.
I don't say this out of spite but out of the fact that I would love to see a decent deck made using the same artwork and if this succeeds no one would try it.
It took 28 days to raise barely 7k, so I doubt it will reach 15k in the next 16 days.
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I contacted American McGee about using his imagery to create an Alice deck; we'll see if I hear back.