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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Design & Development => Topic started by: LXandR on March 21, 2013, 08:17:17 AM
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Hello everyone.
I'm new to this forum and also new to playing cards industry. However, I've been loving playing cards for the very long time. The decision to create a deck for my own came accidentally. I gathered a small team of enthusiasts and here we go.
We worked hard from December to February, we collected all and every piece of frost and ice we found, and while there on the mighty North the winter still reigns, we want to offer you a very special item.
Winter is cold, dark and dangerous in the places where we live.
In this deck we've put all the power, darkness and glory of northern winter.
Main Ideas follow.
Characters:
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Every royal card here is a character. They are not faceless "Clubs King"s or "Hearts Queen"s, they have their own thoughts, feelings and history. Their own mind.
Totems:
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The inner sense of the characters itself is described in this totem animals so we can look at their souls unchained and uncovered.
Her Majesty, Winter:
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As the main character, she appears on every image of the deck. She touches our heroes, holds them, leads them, punishes and rules them.
Here is the artwork samples:
(http://cs315319.vk.me/v315319679/53a0/MIRC4ViDTzg.jpg)
(http://cs315319.vk.me/v315319679/53a9/6G4D1oCY8TA.jpg)
We are going to run our project on Kickstarter, so we'll appreciate any help. Reposts, pledges and, most of all, a good advice - we need all this more than food and drink. Thank you in advance. Let's bring this Idea to life together.
P.S. Excuse me in advance. My English is not so good as I want it to be.
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First, welcome to the forum!
Second, I love what you're doing with the art so far. Court cards with two distinctly different faces are a popular trend right now, but you've made something more unique out of the idea.
Third, I offer consulting services to companies and groups such as yours. If you're interested, contact me in PM and we can discuss some of what I do.
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Thank you so much for your reply.
It's really a pleasure that you find our ideas trendy and interesting. We'll do our best to bring this deck to life.
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Thank you so much for your reply.
It's really a pleasure that you find our ideas trendy and interesting. We'll do our best to bring this deck to life.
It's become a trend, but in most cases it's a zombie face and a normal one or something to that effect. Your take on it is definitely more unique. It will help this deck stand out more.
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Brilliant artwork so far man! Loving it! at this pace, I'd pledge for a few!
I would suggest try indigogo.com What you can do with them is set up a page where you can have it like kickstarter (pledge and if you don't receive the amount you get nothing) or you can set up a pledge where whatever money gets pledged, if you reach the tend time and didn't get the full amount, you still get the money raised to put towards the creation of the deck.
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Brilliant artwork so far man! Loving it! at this pace, I'd pledge for a few!
I would suggest try indigogo.com What you can do with them is set up a page where you can have it like kickstarter (pledge and if you don't receive the amount you get nothing) or you can set up a pledge where whatever money gets pledged, if you reach the tend time and didn't get the full amount, you still get the money raised to put towards the creation of the deck.
Actually, that's why he SHOULDN'T use Indiegogo. They have a sketchier reputation because of the loose goal policy. They also allow charity fundraising projects - some may be noble while other may simply be some schmuck trying to raise beer money or pay for Spring Break. With that plus allowing funding for projects in pretty much any country, a lot of people feel there's simply not enough oversight on what's kosher and what one can get away with scot-free. I rarely check out Indiegogo, and then usually just out of curiosity, not with any intent to invest.
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Cards need some improvements but they are interesting.
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Thank you for your reply.
Of course, this is not a final edition of this cards. I already have an improved edition actually, and the work is still in progress.
If you want, you can write about the ways to improve this cards. We will definitely take your opinion into account.
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I will show you colour sketches of AoS and back. Please, note that it is not a final artwork, it of course will be improved.
AoS: We are faithful to our idea of the Winter character, so you can see her presence here too. The lower part of the image is supposed to be a reflection in the ice.
(http://cs315319.vk.me/v315319679/5397/lBVPTO_Ja3s.jpg)
Back: We decided to make it a bit easier to avoid overloading the card with symbols, images and characters. The back is covered with frosty pattern, that arrives at windows glass in case it is too cold outside.
(http://cs315319.vk.me/v315319679/53b2/b6MNIR8Lsnk.jpg)
As I mentioned in my previous updates, all comments, opinions and advise will be very appreciated.
Thank you.
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As I mentioned in my previous updates, all comments, opinions and advise will be very appreciated.
Thank you.
I like where the design is going so far.
While it's not mandatory, your deck will likely be more popular if you create a two-way back design - identical when you rotate the card 180ยบ. When people see a card player or a magician using an obvious one-way design, they consider the possibility that certain cards are turned one way, certain cards the other, to their advantage.
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The art looks amazing!
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We plan to launch our project in the beginning of August.
We a performing the last preparations for now.
Project's page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WinterDeck
Sign up if you want to be informed of al our news.
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I like this deck. I posted the announcement on my site for you http://tuckcase.com/2013/07/16/kickstarter-project-winter-deck-planned-for-early-august-launch/ (http://tuckcase.com/2013/07/16/kickstarter-project-winter-deck-planned-for-early-august-launch/)
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That is really awesome!
Great thanks for your help!
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We plan to launch our project in the beginning of August.
We a performing the last preparations for now.
Project's page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WinterDeck
Sign up if you want to be informed of al our news.
You will get your information support for sure. But did you consider that decision? As I know August is one of the most popular summer months for vacations. IMHO mid August is more optimal. No?
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I like the art, the card backs IMHO should be two way and I'd lose the frame. I'm very interested to see what your tuck box and numbered cards will look like. Non-matching court cards are very popular at the moment and quite a few new card games (mostly zombie oriented) utilize them.
I would definitely not go with Indiegogo unless you expect your friends and family to fund the deck. It doesn't get the foot traffic that KS gets. Also, who will be printing the deck?
With so many art decks on KS you should have a plan to make yours stand out. I think Don can probably help you there.
Good luck, I look forward to seeing this deck.
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Thank you for your replies!
Collector,
Great thanks for your advice. We will consider this idea.
Alex,
We will do our best to run on Kickstarter.
Decks will be printed by USPCC.
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After discussing Collector's advise, we decided to postpone the project's launch till the beginning of September.
We are sorry for the delay, but it gives us a chance to improve our project!
Thank you all for your help!
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We've just passed the moderation on Kickstarter! Our project have been accepted!!! Hooray!
This means that nothing will stop us launching the project on Monday, September 16th, 8 PM EST.
Also, I want to inform you that our Facebook Page goes live!
Check out https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultramarine-Designs/485591758202825
Best regards to everyone!
Alexander,
Ultramarine Designs.
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At last, we are live on Kickstarter! Wish us a good luck! Horray!!
Check out our project: http://bit.ly/WinterDeck
We will be really pleased if you will spread the word about us!
Also, we've created a special landing page to
make spreading the word about us as easy as possible!
Look:
http://umdesigns.net/share/index.html
Thank you for your help and good luck for all of us.
Cheers!
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At last, we are live on Kickstarter! Wish us a good luck! Horray!!
Check out our project: http://bit.ly/WinterDeck
We will be really pleased if you will spread the word about us!
Also, we've created a special landing page to
make spreading the word about us as easy as possible!
Look:
http://umdesigns.net/share/index.html
Thank you for your help and good luck for all of us.
Cheers!
I wish you the best of luck, Alexander. Your design is head and shoulders above many of the blah designs that people toss onto KS.
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Fantastic artwork and back story, Good Luck on your project!
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I suggest this to be moved to the Playing Card Plethora to gain more traffic.
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Possibly. I'm not sure though as he still seems to be designing the cards as he goes, so it is kinda fitting here. I don't know.
There's only one thing to do. Light incense and chant until Don appears and blesses us with his wisdom and knowledge.
Ready? Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........ :-\
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I suggest this to be moved to the Playing Card Plethora to gain more traffic.
The general rule is that when a project leaves the design phase - either by becoming a firm release or by reaching KS-funding stage - the designer or another member can make a topic in the PCP for it. We don't move the Design/Dev topic. Conversation usually continues on that topic rather than the Design/Dev topic.
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So, we got our 100th backer and $2000 pledge.
The start was far less successful than we expected. If you still didn't spread the word about us, you can do this just by sharing the following link:
http://umdesigns.net/share/index.html
Thank you everyone for your help!
PS. BTW, in a couple of days we will make an artwork update.
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I proudly back this project, and love the 2-way back redesign.
I wait with bated breath for the art updates to see the new court cards as they are released.
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Quick note: I love the look of the released King of Diamond card, but can't help but wonder if the point of the diamond is obscuring the polar bear quite a bit.
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Please delete, I just realised this was a double post and can't find the button to do it myself.
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Man, you managed to be faster than me lol.
To be more specific, here is an update:
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Hello everyone!
We will update the project with our new artwork and materials as soon as we can. And this is a first update where we want to show you the new King of Diamonds design!
As we promised, it represents a traditional Russian king. You can see a Monomakh's Hat - a traditional Russian crown upon him.
The work with this deck does not stop even for a second!
Thank you!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/941/828/9bef11614872e33fc465e455b9ef8ac3_large.jpg?1379718498)
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And about the diamond and bear. Looks like that's why he's so angry! ;)
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If I may ask one question, could you please explain the 'Backer's Edition' a bit more.
What happens if you don't get enough backers pledging on the Siberian Tiger or Ice Queen level? Also, is the Ice Queen pledge level for the Ace of Spades card? As the 12 courts and both Jokers are already filled by the Siberia Tiger pledge level.
Just a couple of thoughts I suddenly had as I was reading through the project.
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If we'll not get enough Tigers, the missing pictures will be replaced with the same from the standard deck.
In the worst case Backer's edition will turn into very very limited full plastic edition of a standard deck. But I hope this will not happen.
And about the ICE QUEEN, we decided to get rid of it.
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If we'll not get enough Tigers, the missing pictures will be replaced with the same from the standard deck.
In the worst case Backer's edition will turn into very very limited full plastic edition of a standard deck. But I hope this will not happen.
And about the ICE QUEEN, we decided to get rid of it.
Ah, ok. That makes sense.
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Hello, everyone!
Unfortunately, our project's funding is going far worse than it was expected.
The only decision we can take is to cancel it for now. But don't be too upset. We are leaving to be back. We will continue working and come back to Kickstarter when our Winter Deck will be much closer to completion. It will happen in about 3 months.
Thank you everyone for your help.
If you want to stay in touch, you can follow our Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultramarine-Designs/485591758202825
And be prepared to our comeback!
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Hello, everyone!
Unfortunately, our project's funding is going far worse than it was expected.
The only decision we can take is to cancel it for now. But don't be too upset. We are leaving to be back. We will continue working and come back to Kickstarter when our Winter Deck will be much closer to completion. It will happen in about 3 months.
Thank you everyone for your help.
If you want to stay in touch, you can follow our Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultramarine-Designs/485591758202825
And be prepared to our comeback!
Don't cancel the project!
It will give a bad impression, as though you suspected it would fail all along. Instead, let the project run it's course, have unsuccessful funding, then relaunch in about a month's time. When the project is done, post an update thanking all your backers, and promise to return in a month's time.
This could also allow you to complete another card to launch with. In this case, I suggest one of the two remaining suits (Clubs and Hearts). This will allow you to do another animal at the same time, probably best to pick KoC, QoC or KoH, as these are the felines of the courts. You could do the JoH, but since there's only 1 court card with the Ermine on it, and 3 feline cards, you're probably better off going for the cats.
Hope this helps, and I look forward to your relaunch.
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Hello, everyone!
Unfortunately, our project's funding is going far worse than it was expected.
The only decision we can take is to cancel it for now. But don't be too upset. We are leaving to be back. We will continue working and come back to Kickstarter when our Winter Deck will be much closer to completion. It will happen in about 3 months.
Thank you everyone for your help.
If you want to stay in touch, you can follow our Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultramarine-Designs/485591758202825
And be prepared to our comeback!
It's never a good idea to launch without a completed design. People want to see what they're buying. It's like buying a car by getting to peek at it through a curtain.
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Hello, everyone!
Unfortunately, our project's funding is going far worse than it was expected.
The only decision we can take is to cancel it for now. But don't be too upset. We are leaving to be back. We will continue working and come back to Kickstarter when our Winter Deck will be much closer to completion. It will happen in about 3 months.
Thank you everyone for your help.
If you want to stay in touch, you can follow our Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultramarine-Designs/485591758202825
And be prepared to our comeback!
It's never a good idea to launch without a completed design. People want to see what they're buying. It's like buying a car by getting to peek at it through a curtain.
It is a shame, but I'm not sure if a full deck is something alot of artists doing their first KS project want to do. Though I do see your point, and have argued with people from your PoV about people wanting something they can see, so they know what they're funding, but the counter-argument is that the point of 'crowd-sourcing' is to gain support for an idea. Not too many people really want to put in all the effort to produce something, which ultimately, just isn't very popular.
I think that in this instance, perhaps having AT LEAST half the courts completed, and launching with those, with regular updates including new courts every few days.
In the end, not my project, just an 'if it were me' perspective.
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It is a shame, but I'm not sure if a full deck is something alot of artists doing their first KS project want to do. Though I do see your point, and have argued with people from your PoV about people wanting something they can see, so they know what they're funding, but the counter-argument is that the point of 'crowd-sourcing' is to gain support for an idea. Not too many people really want to put in all the effort to produce something, which ultimately, just isn't very popular.
I think that in this instance, perhaps having AT LEAST half the courts completed, and launching with those, with regular updates including new courts every few days.
In the end, not my project, just an 'if it were me' perspective.
That presumes you can complete a court card every few days. You'd finish the court set before the project ended anyway - why not simply have a finished product out of the gate? But if that wasn't the speed at which you could produce courts, you might run into the same issue Lance Miller ran into when he created the Bicycle Actuators Artist's Edition. His project was delayed on delivering by several weeks because he miscalculated how long it would take him to complete the courts.
Better to deliver on time - better yet, deliver early. Have the art not just ready to roll, but vetted by USPC and just waiting for the contract to be signed. They do work with KS project creators, even before the deck is funded.
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that is some pretty great looking art!