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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: sprouts1115 on March 13, 2013, 09:18:44 PM
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/federal-52-a-new-bicycle-playing-card-deck?ref=card
"what are you talking about?" don't you see it? this is the new pedale. it's like the second coming of jesus. he should do very good.
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Well, what would you know... Finally a kickstarter project that looks like it has incredible potential... I happen to like the looks of the deck... May even back it...
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Hate that he went Bicycle. Hate the Box. Hate the one-way back design (with that giant '52' in the middle. Euuuuggghhhh.
Love everything else. These things have the potential to be brilliant in the right hands. He just needs direction from someone who knows playing cards. That King of Spades is wicked. One-way, obviously, but wicked. If he was to ditch the box, back design and Bicycle - he'd hit Pedale Design levels of backing, and be able to make them for much cheaper (USPCC take a nice royalty for use of the word 'Bicycle'.) I would actually pledge hard on these if it weren't for those three minor fails.
-J.
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I agree with Jake on his dislike of the obviously one way backs and court cards (I'm assuming all of them are that way because the King of Spades is). I actually don't like the fact that every card is also one way as well. I don't mind the back being one way if it was more subtle.
But I can't stand that everything is one way and very obvious as well. Like Jake mentioned, this has potential. The current design is really nice and a good idea.
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Points well taken... However, it's nice to see the Bicycle brand on something other than every other piece of $#!T being produced under kickstarter... Yes, some tweaking - 2 way on both sides and maybe a bit more detail on the box... He has the potential to blow the box out of the water if he gets a bit more detailed... I would suspect that there may be some revisions prior to the release... Let's see...
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Very true. I do plan to keep an eye on this project. Like I said, I like the design idea. If it was tweaked to being less one way I'd love it.
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Some pictures ... I think it looks gorgeous and I backed it. Bummed that the earliy birds went so fast (well, bummed that they went so fast and I missed it :-). The theme is US currency.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/434/484/ad130211ebe5b1cdd2ca23e5c3e7afd0_large.jpg?1362875066)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/434/482/6ecf9ebd5bec7dea7ca107ddccbecf5f_large.jpg?1362875022)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/434/485/00d98ab23ac59fd358fb79f1a78bc674_large.jpg?1362875111)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/436/332/89ce7f260f3ccd3c116a5532680c6b05_large.jpg?1362964330)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/436/424/3912d4e6683e1b09a5d828e4224430ec_large.jpg?1362966100)
[EDIT: Adding pix of the suit-back and all four suit-pips.]
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What I liked:
Art that looks like authentic intaglio printing on US currency.
Attractive and original take on the pips.
Beautiful, attractive design, an obvious labor of love.
What I can deal with:
One-way face designs.
What I didn't like:
Awful name - "Federal" sounds great, "52" doesn't.
Way too expensive unless you buy in bulk - even the early bird wasn't that much of a bargain.
Altered Treasury seal design that puts his name on most of the spot cards.
Obvious one-way back design - and an ugly back at that.
What's up with that deck seal?
Semi-cheesy promotional video, typographic errors on the home page (lack of seriousness and attention to detail).
The fact that he hasn't completed the design, meaning that he's near-certain to miss his reward-shipping estimate date.
It's already more than halfway backed - it will probably hit goal in the first twenty-four hours.
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i must admit, I do like this. Like don said though, it's way to expensive. I'm assuming it's not limited, so why the high price?!
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Far too expensive.
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I'm in on these in a big, big way. I really like them, the currency/engraving idea is great. In addition to cards, I'm a currency collector as we, so this hits me on two fronts.
Funding is screaming along!
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i must admit, I do like this. Like don said though, it's way to expensive. I'm assuming it's not limited, so why the high price?!
Practically every deck made through Kickstarter is limited in some sense of the term, whether intentional or otherwise. Limited funding period, a single print run - these are part and parcel there. Most are intentionally limited.
But still, we know roughly what a deck costs to make at USPC. Factor in a little profit for the artist, naturally, but that's still a huge markup. Granted, shipping is included, but $15 for one custom deck - even including shipping within the US - is something I don't generally see from the big companies, even for their "short run" decks. Why would I pay that to an unknown who doesn't even have a completed design?
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In theory, US r paying $15 for the deck AND shipping. The way I see it, international r paying $15 just for the deck. How much is normally charged for shipping within US?! Average $3? If I just use that as an example, they're charging $12 for a deck without shipping, yet international r getting charged more for the deck without shipping. The deck should cost the same, no? Unless they took it all into account and they're actually charging $10 for shipping, instead of $7 but just wrote $7 to draw in backers? Does any of this make sense? Lol
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This is a beautiful deck with impeccable execution. I'm so happy that there are still quality KS decks :D
The one-way court cards are not an issue for me, but I'm sure Jackson will be receptive to all the suggestions about the one-way back. I'm excited to see more from him, and his deck could reach Pedale Design levels.
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he should not change his 1 way back. he has chosen a single point. "52" most modern decks have a duel point. what the genius is the "52" looks like a duel point. next ppl will tell him "text" is not allowed on backs. it's fine the way it is. and his one way court cards. "Really" those don't need to change either; he has a solid deck. Behold, the next pedale.
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This is a beautiful deck.
I don't know about you guys, but I LOVE decks with this magnitude of detail and customization. Notice how the king's hair is styled like the king on a standard playing card?
What's up with that deck seal?
It's the design for a previous project of his, Kings wild. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/kings-wild-t-shirt?ref=users
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/443686/photo-main.jpg?1359930743)
Kind of like his company logo.
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In theory, US r paying $15 for the deck AND shipping. The way I see it, international r paying $15 just for the deck. How much is normally charged for shipping within US?! Average $3? If I just use that as an example, they're charging $12 for a deck without shipping, yet international r getting charged more for the deck without shipping. The deck should cost the same, no? Unless they took it all into account and they're actually charging $10 for shipping, instead of $7 but just wrote $7 to draw in backers? Does any of this make sense? Lol
The $15 is for the cost of the deck, yes, and domestic shipping. The added $7 is an addition to the cost of the shipping to get it to your international destination. At least that's how most people price it out.
Shipping by US Postal Service for a half-pound package is roughly $2.00-$2.50 via First Class Mail (the lowest grade available) using an envelope. Shipping overseas to the UK costs roughly $8.00. Both prices don't include any form of tracking, which many people use to insure packages go where they're supposed to.
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jackson - if you can get MagikFingera to buy one of your decks, you got something. he is like the CEO of Tighwads International Shipping.
he is the pulse of international shipping.
I can't believe you all don't see it? the back works so well. i've seen lots of backs and normally "1 back backs" don't look good and are a distraction. this back is not a distraction. http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/.................... he doesn't need to change anything.
also, don't change your border corners. can i call them that? like "fluff items". i like badges and ribbons. don't change the border corners either; it goes well with the "1 way back"
I would like to see more court cards. noticed your king was different on each side. keep it up with that differences in the court cards. i think that is the future. especially if you can tell a story within the court cards.
food for thought. any more quotes from Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain makes my middle finger get a bonner. seems like "Really" is the new catch phrase. and have you noticed the word "Basically" is used.....
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Hate that he went Bicycle. Hate the Box. Hate the one-way back design (with that giant '52' in the middle. Euuuuggghhhh.
Love everything else. These things have the potential to be brilliant in the right hands. He just needs direction from someone who knows playing cards. That King of Spades is wicked. One-way, obviously, but wicked. If he was to ditch the box, back design and Bicycle - he'd hit Pedale Design levels of backing, and be able to make them for much cheaper (USPCC take a nice royalty for use of the word 'Bicycle'.) I would actually pledge hard on these if it weren't for those three minor fails.
-J.
Agreed on the one-way design. Huge huge huge let down. Huge. Karrit huge. :karrit:
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jackson - if you can get MagikFingera to buy one of your decks, you got something. he is like the CEO of Tighwads International Shipping.
he is the pulse of international shipping.
I can't believe you all don't see it? the back works so well. i've seen lots of backs and normally "1 back backs" don't look good and are a distraction. this back is not a distraction. http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/.................... he doesn't need to change anything.
also, don't change your border corners. can i call them that? like "fluff items". i like badges and ribbons. don't change the border corners either; it goes well with the "1 way back"
I would like to see more court cards. noticed your king was different on each side. keep it up with that differences in the court cards. i think that is the future. especially if you can tell a story within the court cards.
food for thought. any more quotes from Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain makes my middle finger get a bonner. seems like "Really" is the new catch phrase. and have you noticed the word "Basically" is used.....
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Ahem...slow down... and maybe try some Decaf...
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Update:
Thank you to everyone for all of your incredible support. I am super excited to release the first new card design, The Ace of Clubs. I am also exited to announce that with the release of each new Ace I will be making available 100 decks available at the $11 pledge tier, at 12pm Pacific. I will be calling these limited releases "Celebration Decks"
Just to be sure these are the exact same Federal 52 decks. There is nothing different or unique about these specific decks. It is just a way for me to say thank you to all of you out there who are supporting me, and encouraging me.
This is a list of the cards that when released, will be followed by a Celebration deck pledge tier. So when you get an update for these cards be ready for the release an hour or so later. I will be doing these at random times, so I can make it possible for backers around the world to take part.
Ace of Clubs / Ace of Hearts / Ace of Diamonds / Joker 1 / Joker 2
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/470340/posts/429780/image-225777-full.jpg?1363455889)
I was lucky enough to nab one. ;D
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"what are you talking about" @utter fool. everything is borrowed. that is how you make new inventions. it just so happens Jackson "didn't reinvent the wheel; he just put rockets on it".
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"what are you talking about" @utter fool. everything is borrowed. that is how you make new inventions. it just so happens Jackson "didn't reinvent the wheel; he just put rockets on it".
I don't wish to sound rude here, but at first I was thinking that perhaps English isn't your primary language. Now, you're addressing messages to a user that HASN'T POSTED to this topic...
Either start making some sense or take it to the LOLAQ, if you would, please.
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Sprouts was replying to a posting on UC ... I guess it's been a long day (been there, but not quite done that just yet :-)
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There is a new 2-way back design.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/470340/posts/431512/image-227458-full.jpg)
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And with that redesign, I am placated and will be pledging. I'm rarely a fan of tossing all the suits on there (still not for this one), but it's definitely better than what he had before. Loving the thinner borders now too.
As for pricing, with the success of the Pedale and Founders decks, and now this deck, I'm wondering if this is the new price point for KS decks, it allows for a larger margin of "Shenanigans" error. For a deck with this much work into it and this level of attention to detail, I don't feel so bad pledging this much. My worry lies in deck that are tossed together and think they can carry a $15 price tag.
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^ I'm in the same boat as this guy. The redesign won me over. It's a beautiful deck.
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I was a huge fan of this deck before the change.. and now I'm an even bigger fan.
I can't wait to add these to the collection
CBJ
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That back is so much more attractive, I might have to pledge as well.
As for pricing, with the success of the Pedale and Founders decks, and now this deck, I'm wondering if this is the new price point for KS decks, it allows for a larger margin of "Shenanigans" error. For a deck with this much work into it and this level of attention to detail, I don't feel so bad pledging this much. My worry lies in deck that are tossed together and think they can carry a $15 price tag.
Yeah, that's a trend I've been noticing as well, and I believe it was kicked off by the Pedale deck. For a deck like this, perhaps I can understand it. For some of these other $15 decks, however, no frickin' way are they worth what's being asked. I feel that designers saw the Pedale deck on design blogs, saw it become the most highly-funded deck project on KS and are using it as their benchmark for what to charge. Unfortunately, this totally neglects that the Pedale deck had far more appeal outside of the card community than inside, while many of the new decks are being aimed at us rather than people in the high design community, Pedale Design's primary audience.
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you are right. what was it about the pedale design? you have to think when this guy first started he had the king of diamonds as the suicide king; listened to the feedback and changed it to the king of hearts.
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you are right. what was it about the pedale design? you have to think when this guy first started he had the king of diamonds as the suicide king; listened to the feedback and changed it to the king of hearts.
His deck had many issues at the start, not the least of which being some face cards having indices in the top-right corners rather than top-left. He was wise enough to take the advice of some of his backers and made many "corrections" so the deck would more closely conform to conventional standards while still remaining unique and "high design".
But on the top of this deck - that's a much nicer looking back design, far and away a big improvement.
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Sprouts was replying to a posting on UC ... I guess it's been a long day (been there, but not quite done that just yet :-)
Apparently I can cause such rage in people it echos across boards.
But back onto this topic.
I really appreciate the designer listening to the community so closely.
I think it is interesting how many actually do seeing how I would bet the majority of their backers don't even know about these boards. (this is of course an assumption)
And one thing that I do not think has been mentioned yet. We have talked so much about cardistry and magic use for this deck if it had a two way back.
Really I mean how perfect is it to play poker with a money themed deck?
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I really appreciate the designer listening to the community so closely.
I think it is interesting how many actually do seeing how I would bet the majority of their backers don't even know about these boards. (this is of course an assumption)
And one thing that I do not think has been mentioned yet. We have talked so much about cardistry and magic use for this deck if it had a two way back.
Really I mean how perfect is it to play poker with a money themed deck?
The backers are finding us - as are the designers. We're not the entire card-enthusiast community, but we're certainly representative of it.
And YES, money-themed cards at a poker game would be KILLER! The thing is, though, what will the second deck be, since I always play with a matched pair...
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The thing is, though, what will the second deck be, since I always play with a matched pair...
Two decks ... just like money ... green on one side, black on the other. The new two way backs would work GREAT in those two colors. The seals could be reversed ... or make 'em red on the greenbacks. Either way ... green and black ... oh man!
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Match set should be a coin themed deck.
Maybe with a copper colored back
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Match set should be a coin themed deck.
Maybe with a copper colored back
Nah... I hate round cards... :))
I'd go with a Gold Certificate deck - they had red seals instead of green.
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Just a note that the new 2-way back has been tweaked slightly. The right-side up eagle is on top now and the upside down eagle is on the bottom.
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Hey guys. This is Jackson Robinson, the creator of the Federal 52 Deck. I've been using this forum and a few others as a main source of input on specific directions for the deck. I really appreciate everyone's comments. I'm really doing my best to incorporate as many comments of specific things that I my self as a newb to card collecting and cardistry don't know. My hope is to make the best deck I can for as many people as possible.
Wanted to through out a specific thanks to Don Boyer for some feed back he game me via email. He gave me the latin phrase to put on the back design. The deck is a long way away from being done, so please keep the comments coming they can only help the creative process move forward.
New Back design with tweaks
(http://www.kingswildproject.com/images/Fed52/NewBackWM.jpg)
Thanks
Jackson
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Jackson - "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means "new order of the ages"? what ever don says is probably trustworthily. he helps too; his words have weight. can't put my finger on it, but i think he comes here 30 times a day. :)
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Hey guys. This is Jackson Robinson, the creator of the Federal 52 Deck. I've been using this forum and a few others as a main source of input on specific directions for the deck. I really appreciate everyone's comments. I'm really doing my best to incorporate as many comments of specific things that I my self as a newb to card collecting and cardistry don't know. My hope is to make the best deck I can for as many people as possible.
Wanted to through out a specific thanks to Don Boyer for some feed back he game me via email. He gave me the latin phrase to put on the back design. The deck is a long way away from being done, so please keep the comments coming they can only help the creative process move forward.
Thanks
Jackson
Thanks, I appreciate it. Should you really overfund for a huge-enough amount, you should set a second deck as a stretch goal! I like the red-seal idea I mentioned below - it would be great to have a poker set for this deck!
Jackson - "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means "new order of the ages"? what ever don says is probably trustworthily. he helps too; his words have weight. can't put my finger on it, but i think he comes here 30 times a day. :)
Thanks - I think... :)) "Novus Ordo Seclorum" actually is printed on the back of a one-dollar bill, as is "E Pluribus Unum" ("out of many, one"). The third Latin phrase there isn't, but Ellusionist has used it quite a lot, among others - "Mundus Vult Decipi" (by itself, it means "the world wants to be deceived"; it's a shortened form of "mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur" meaning "the world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived").
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New Back design with tweaks
Wow! Making the eagles right-side-up is a huge win!
And of course you already know I'm a big fan of a second-color deck ... love the idea of the red seals.
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Here is my latest update:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/460/644/1fec03ae680b4385e009cd35dfa48af7_large.jpg?1363881553)
This one’s a big one! You guys have been absolutely incredible. It is my goal to make this campaign as meaningful as possible for my backers. In the next few days, I will be releasing some exciting goals and rewards to prove that to you. With your help and input we can accomplish so much. Without you guys, none of this is possible.
I absolutely love this project. I can’t wait to pick up a pencil or get on my computer and start working on these cards each day. Having you guys actively involved is half of the enjoyment, thank you.
I’m still relatively new to Kickstarter, so I’m still learning at an exponential rate. The releases over the next few days will reflect even things that I have learned on this project.
Ok! enough of me soap boxing - lets get to the goods!
Introducing the Federal Fifty Two Collector’s Set. The Federal Fifty Two Collector’s set consists of four items:
1 Signed and numbered Uncut Sheet
1 Signed and numbered 2 Color Screen Printed Poster of the new “Two Way” back design.
1 Signed and numbered Federal 52 Deck
3 Signed but not numbered Federal 52 Decks.
The really cool thing about this collector’s set is that all of the numbers will be matching. There will ONLY be 52 of these collector’s set and it will also be the only Federal 52 Decks that I am going to sign. (Except of course if we run into each other someday)
There will be a 1 first edition of this collector’s set that will have the #1 (signed also) of each the following, the uncut sheet, screen printed poster plus 5 additional signed decks (not numbered).
Even more exciting than that, I am stoked to announce the Stretch goals. I have other smaller rewards planned but these goals will be driving force throughout the rest of the campaign.
@ $40,000 The Gold Certificate Deck will be released. This Deck will have a completely unique and redesigned box and “Two Way” Back design that is inspired by the Gold Certificates of the early 1900s. These cards will be of the same quality and finish as the original Federal 52 Deck.
Too say a huge thank you EVERY Gold Certificate Deck will be priced at $11 (+7 for international shipping)
@ $85,000 I will be releasing what I am calling the Private Reserve Note Deck. This deck will culminate the entire Federal 52 Project in its Back Design and Tuck Case Design. This deck will only be printed once, and in limited run. This deck will also ONLY be available through Kickstarter. Every Deck will be signed and numbered. The Private Reserve Note Deck will be available for $15 (+7 for international shipping)
That's not all guys! Like I said earlier this is a learning process for me. As an active way to say thank you and gesture to try and make things “right” for my international backers. The next Ace Celebration Deck release (which will be this weekend, hint, hint) Not only am I making 100 decks available for $11, If you are an international back that snags one of the Celebration 100 decks you will also receive a second deck for FREE. Yes I said it FREE! You will still have to add $7 for shipping.
All these goals are subject to change and the designs could change slightly based on your feedback.
That’s it for now guys. Please keep leaving your comments and feedback about the work that I am doing. Your input is a huge factor in my creative process. Thank you so much.
Jackson
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Don - just saw Jackson's Gold Certificate Back. i don't remember seeing "Fold" or "Call" on money. :) if you think about it, if your playing an opponent he will see "Fold" most of the time and you could mess with them and switch it to "Call" 8)
Jackson - like your private reserve stretch goal. at $15 of deck; hopefully it's glided edges. reserve with glided edges is the way i intend to go.
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Fold or Call? That pretty much tailors this exclusively for poker players.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still pledge for the second deck if it hits, and the third deck, whatever. But for us bridge players, that Fold and Call says "No Love For You." :(
I hope he goes back to the money theme.
<sigh>
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Don - just saw Jackson's Gold Certificate Back. i don't remember seeing "Fold" or "Call" on money. :) if you think about it, if your playing an opponent he will see "Fold" most of the time and you could mess with them and switch it to "Call" 8)
Jackson - like your private reserve stretch goal. at $15 of deck; hopefully it's glided edges. reserve with glided edges is the way i intend to go.
I also don't recall seeing "Mundus Vult Decipi" on money, either! So what?! It's a deck of CARDS, not a deck of money! :))
Gilded edges - nope. It has long been my opinion that gilt-edged decks are playing cards for people who don't like to play cards. They look very pretty until you actually start using them, at which point the gilding gets EVERYWHERE and they start looking shabby. And don't even think about performance. That paint makes the deck unable to be weave or faro shuffled and destroys the ability to fan it.
Fold or Call? That pretty much tailors this exclusively for poker players.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still pledge for the second deck if it hits, and the third deck, whatever. But for us bridge players, that Fold and Call says "No Love For You." :(
I hope he goes back to the money theme.
<sigh>
This IS still a money theme. Oy...
He made the second design as a response to people asking for a second color in order to make a "poker set". Hence the poker terms. This ain't no bridge deck, bro! it's not even the right size for bridge - holding thirteen poker-sized cards in your hand is no easy task for many people. I think it's great, and the third "reserve" deck sounds great - it reminds me of the old $100,000 bank notes. They were created for a brief period in the 1930s, if memory serves, and were used strictly for transactions between banks, not by the general public.
Jackson, just have fun with this, OK? It looks like you're having a blast! The designs remind me a lot of the American Bank Note Company designs that were made for the original Aristocrat decks before USPC bought the company out and made it their own brand. But you took it a step further and added the seals, ribbons, etc., as well as matching faces - I had a very similar idea in mind once and I'm glad to see this reaching fruition.
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Truly impressive, and you're definitely raising the bar for Kickstarter decks! Out of morbid curiosity, how many hours have you spent working on this project so far?
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It's tough to say but Im probably already 100 or so hours in and have probably that many more to go.
Thanks for you encouraging words.
Jackson
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I guess the Gold Certificate Deck will be released. Can't wait to have both :)
What a great job, Jackson. Congrats.
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Love the new deck back! For the private reserve, do you have plans to incorporate the eye of providence? That'd be rad.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3Cw04KGjkvM/TTJYhwlt5XI/AAAAAAAAABk/HKUEsSr7nbY/s1600/all_seeing_eye.jpg)
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Will any incentive be available to domestic buyers who get in on your next ace celebration pledge level? ;D
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Will any incentive be available to domestic buyers who get in on your next ace celebration pledge level? ;D
I guess you missed the part about offering his deck, normally rewarded at $15.00, for only $11.00...
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The Ace of diamonds is posted. That means there should be an additional 100 celebration earlybird prices available ($11) ... those will apparently arrive at 9:45AM west coast time (Noon:45 east coast).
For international buyers only, those celebration earlybirds are 2 for 1 ... $11 plus the $7 shipping gets you two decks, not one.
"If you are an International Backer that grabs one of these decks you will also receive a second Federal 52 Deck for free!"
P.S. I'll admit that those custom plate numbers for just $50 are just CALLING OUT to me. :-) Unfortunately, I don't have anything in *my* life that I can signify with a single letter followed by two digits. "B52" on the Queen of hearts to commemorate Love Shack? (Yeah, I can't even tell if the QoH is available, but that wouldn't be for me anyway.) ... Yeah, I'm reaching. But oh man, if I did ... I would SO be in there.
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The Ace of diamonds is posted.
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"If you are an International Backer that grabs one of these decks you will also receive a second Federal 52 Deck for free!"
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Will any incentive be available to domestic buyers who get in on your next ace celebration pledge level? ;D
I guess you missed the part about offering his deck, normally rewarded at $15.00, for only $11.00...
No, no... no I didn't. But you can imagine what it'd be like if I did right?
The part I missed was the disservice international buyers apparently received to reward them with the extra deck for free, making them $9 each shipped as opposed to $11 for domestics.
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The part I missed was the disservice international buyers apparently received to reward them with the extra deck for free, making them $9 each shipped as opposed to $11 for domestics.
On small orders, the international shipping is murder.
One deck, normal cost:
USA: $15
Int'l.: $22
Two decks, normal cost:
USA: $28 ($14 each)
Int'l.: $41 ($20.50 each)
Three decks, normal cost:
USA: $39 ($13 each)
Int'l.: $54 ($18 each)
It flattens out a bit more going up from there, but it's royally expensive for someone outside the USA, even people who are used to paying the extra shipping costs.
Using the Celebration specials:
USA: $11 (one deck only)
Int'l.: $18 (two decks, $9 each)
It's his way of getting more international investors interested in the deck - and it seems to be working. And let's not forget that many of the international recipients will also have Customs fees to look forward to paying as well - in the end, they'll probably be paying roughly as much as anyone else ordering through the special.
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I'm definitely going to back this. It looks almost good enough to eat! There's so many other good projects at the moment though that I'm going to have to be careful!
How do I change my address on kickstarter to one in the US? The difference in shipping to the US and to the UK is extraordinary. I'd still back the same amount of money but I'd be able to get more decks if I ship domestically.
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I'm definitely going to back this. It looks almost good enough to eat! There's so many other good projects at the moment though that I'm going to have to be careful!
How do I change my address on kickstarter to one in the US? The difference in shipping to the US and to the UK is extraordinary. I'd still back the same amount of money but I'd be able to get more decks if I ship domestically.
I'd imagine you have to go into your account settings. But all you really need to do is type in whatever address you want when answering the survey - in the end, that's what is used to determine where to ship your stuff. If you're shipping to a US address but you already pledged for an open project at the international rate, just edit your pledge to whatever you need it to be. It's too late to make changes to a closed project's pledge.
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He just announced that he plans to drop the Bicycle logo. Wow.
I'll admit that I'm not a fan of the change. Things like foil and inks are just fru-fru to me. But this seems like a big change at this stage of the game.
Change List:
1. Dropped the Bicycle Logo from the front (I will go into that in more detail at the end)
2. Kept alive the original Back design by adjusting it and moving it to the front of the box.
3. Shrunk the gaps around the edges. (Thanks guys for that input! Looks so much sweeter now.)
4. Incorporated the New Two Way back design by adding to the back of the box.
5. Completely redesigned the top.
So why did you drop the Bicycle Logo???
My main focus and goal is to get the highest quality cards and tuck case to you guys. I want these cards to be some of the finest in your collections. I had already dropped the Bicycle logo from the new Gold Certificate Box design and it looked so sweet I had to entertain the idea of doing it to the Fed 52 Box.
Also a huge part was cost.Just like with any brand or logo, you have to pay a fee to use their name. I would rather spend your pledges on quality upgrades (embossing, finishing,cardstock etc...) instead paying to use Bicycle's name. I have nothing against Bicycle and they have been nothing but awesome during this entire process, but you guys are my backers not Bicycle.
The new tuck design is certainly attractive enough ... but that's not the point:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/470340/posts/436367/image-230234-full.jpg?1364187236)
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I can't express how disappointed I am that you have removed the "Bicycle" name from the tuckbox.
Unfortunately I may have to cancel my pledge now.
I think to be at $40,000 with over 1100 backers... then to all of a sudden CHANGE the main part of what everyone thought they were buying is bad business.
I prefer the Bicycle tuckbox.
Not a good start to my week
CBJ
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For those that are against the Bicycle name drop, he's posted some new pics of the BICYCLE deck to get people;s opinions...
please go and tell jackson you WANT it
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1722808047/federal-52-a-new-bicycle-playing-card-deck/posts/436684?ref=email&show_token=628e41360d40c66b
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Really sorry about the triple post...
Jackson just wrote on the KS campaign
"@everybody I WILL be keeping the Bicycle logo.
Throughout this process things will change and go threw iterations. Please continue to give me your feedback and comments as it helps me make the best decision with both the design and your wants in mind."
I couldn't be happier right now
CBJ
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[EDIT - my post has been overtaken by events so I'll reboot:]
The Update that CBJ linked to was a whole new Update (#18) specifically for soliciting comments. And it was interesting to see a couple of his replies in the comment thread ... "I really wasn't thinking about the Bicycle Collectors when I was mulling this over" and "I think Kickstarter guidelines have locked me into the Bicycle Logo as I can not change the title of my project once its created. I'm indefferent either way I just want the best design, best cards, and to include all of you guys in the process."
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I like the cards enough to pleadge either way but when all is said and done, I think that the tuck looks a good bit better without the Bicycle logo. I can understand why some people want it, but I have many, many decks that don't display the logo (Such as Aurums), and that would look horrible with it. I love the folks at Bicycle, and support them in any way that I can, but every deck that has the hugo logo on the front screams "Designed by Bicycle" to me, as opposed to an independent designer. The Bicycle logo is emblazoned on the front of cards that I can pick up dirt ccheap at any grocery store and in my eyes at least, it kind of cheapens a custom deck. A fullly designed (no logo) tuck front says that the artist had the whole space to shocase his/her dream. Think of an artist putting a big art store logo on the top of their best work. Like I said, either way, I've been in since day one, and will stay in, and I understand and respect others' opinions on the matter.
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I'm not big on the brand thing either way - with or without. I think it looks better without, but it looks fine with. I definitely understand the motivation behind wanting to remove the Bicycle brand, because of all the possible extras a deck can have, to me that's the least of them.
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I'm going to be that person-
On your "Add Ons" image, you spelled "amount" wrong in the sentence "All pledge ammounts include shipping."
in case you wanted to fix it.
As for the use of the Bicycle logo, I too have no preference either way. It could be a concern that when performing with these cards, having the Bicycle logo would be beneficial in getting it across that the deck is in no way rigged to a suspicious audience. On the other hand, I can see that having the Bicycle logo could make a collection, when displayed as a whole, appear more cohesive. However, I too own many decks without the Bicycle logo that all look fine. For this deck, since the design (somewhat) repeats itself on the borders, I think the use of the Bicycle logo is fine. If using the Bicycle logo would sacrifice something absolutely gorgeous, I may have had some concerns.
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The new deck is available on the KS campaign... The Gold Certificate deck has been unlocked!
(http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae240/1rideout/goldcerthero2_zps98a552e9.jpg)
I'm liking it
CBJ
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I agree, great tuck and changes for the gold certificate deck. I'm already in for some. These are two very nice decks!
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It has to be one of the best-looking decks on KS right now, if not in the history of KS decks. Now I have to back this.
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Backed this and the gold cert deck today, probably for a little too much, but oh well. These decks deserve to be made!
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Thanks guys for all of your help and input on this deck!
Jackson
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Oh my! The new Gold Certificate deck is amazingly beautiful.
I just wish I could add it to my pledge without compromising my budget. I guess this one will have to wait :(
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Jackson posted a revised idea for his third stretch goal deck. Instead of making it Private Reserve ... make it a natural pairing with the Gold Certificate ... obviously ... the Silver Certificate:
"Instead of the Reserve Note Deck why not do natural pair, The Gold Certificate Deck & A Silver Certificate Deck. The Silver Certificate will be Blue in color theme and have blue treasury seals on the front. I'm ok with doing either deck, I just wanted to get your thoughts and feedback on which one you would like me to do."
Seems like a great idea to me.
P.S. It looks to me like that $85K level for the stretch goal is definitely within reach. And if the third deck gets funded ... a clear shot at the Pedale record.
Oh yeah, here's what a Silver Certificate looks like, so you can see what he's talking about with the blue color scheme ...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/US_%245_1923_Silver_Certificate.jpg)
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I'm not big on the brand thing either way - with or without. I think it looks better without, but it looks fine with. I definitely understand the motivation behind wanting to remove the Bicycle brand, because of all the possible extras a deck can have, to me that's the least of them.
don - i agree with ya, but i do think the brand "Bicycle" needs to move to the side of the box to give more room for the artist. to me, the brand is "USPCC not "Bicycle" the card stock starts at "Bicycle" then you could also get "Bee" or "Aristocrat stock". USPCC has lots of brand cards. http://www.usplayingcard.com/pages/about_us/3.php i think the name Bicycle is synonymous with USPCC now. Bicycle is not the 800 pound gorilla in the room; it's USPCC. time for a change.
jackson - holy shit, i put silver certificate in google checked out the pictures and.... you have a wealth of images to steal. :) i mean borrow. Blue, of course blue for your third deck. i'm starting to think not showing all rewards at the start of the kickstarer, but introducing them when stretch goals are achieved is a good thing. to be basic, if you give them a small border with design within the first border and then a thick ass border like in the real certificates that would make the them happy. who would have thought a money theme deck would be good. hell, Chinese money were the first cards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playing_cards most kickstarts experience a slowing at this point. do expect a surge at the end; you have already met your kickstarter goal and then some.
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This has got to be one of the most funded playing card projects in kickstarter history, right? I'm really hoping it meets the next stretch goal of $85k!
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This has got to be one of the most funded playing card projects in kickstarter history, right? I'm really hoping it meets the next stretch goal of $85k!
It's not even close to the record, though it is moving along rather smoothly. The record was the Misc. Goods Co. deck (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1537415287/a-deck-of-playing-cards-by-pedale-design) by Pedale Design, which earn more than triple what this project has so far...
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Yeesh ... I keep getting that mixed up ... Pedale hit more than $146K. It was Call of Cthulhu that hit $96K.
(My bad ... Sorry.)
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Yeesh ... I keep getting that mixed up ... Pedale hit more than $146K. It was Call of Cthulhu that hit $96K.
(My bad ... Sorry.)
Eh, don't be. It gets hard to keep track. I'd say this deck is somewhere in the midrange of the top ten most funded.
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By passing Quicksilver (which it did just a few minutes ago), doesn't Federal 52 already lock up the #3 playing card project?
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By passing Quicksilver (which it did just a few minutes ago), doesn't Federal 52 already lock up the #3 playing card project?
That sounds about right...
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The Queen of Spades.....
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Got to love the typo demon >:( Everybody has been having a lot of fun with that one.
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Got to love the typo demon >:( Everybody has been having a lot of fun with that one.
Absolutely amazing!!
I saw this when it first had Bicycle and was only a one way back. I really liked it but as with most decks there were things that I was not sure about. Now... with the new changes I'm on board. I've never backed anything on kick-starter before. I came close with the Bohemia Deck Project but in the end decided against it. I was presently surprised not having visited this thread in a few weeks.
Really hoping the Bicycle Logo is removed...
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I think, that the Gold-certificate-box looks killer. I actually like the boxdesign and colorcombination a lot more than the backdesign itself.
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So... Its just been explained to me that this project is keeping the Bicycle logo. The way I look at it, the creator should be 100% happy with his product. No regrets 4 years from now wishing he had not made the decision to do something. If it were me... I would relaunch the project the way you want the project to be. Even if the deck receives less funding because the Bicycle logo is not on the box any longer, the branding price you will not have to pay can compensate for that. I'm staying with the project because I think your going to make many more decks in the future and want to have your first release in the collection. The best comment I have read was that it was your art that brings value to the bicycle name not the other way around. Either way people are going to support this project, the funding will come for both decks. NO regrets!!
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I agree with Legacy, and although I am happy the choice to retain the Bicycle branding, I would have continued to back the project either way... I will say that I am concerned that many of the faces are taken from actual printed bills... After the Lego fiasco and Army men disappointment, I don't see how USPCC would actually be permitted to reprint the cards using images from actual bills... I guess we will see... However, I can say confidently that this looks to be one of the finest quality kickstarter campaigns to date and perhaps makes up for the countless bland, generic decks pumped out by that machine...
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I agree with Legacy, and although I am happy the choice to retain the Bicycle branding, I would have continued to back the project either way... I will say that I am concerned that many of the faces are taken from actual printed bills... After the Lego fiasco and Army men disappointment, I don't see how USPCC would actually be permitted to reprint the cards using images from actual bills... I guess we will see... However, I can say confidently that this looks to be one of the finest quality kickstarter campaigns to date and perhaps makes up for the countless bland, generic decks pumped out by that machine...
All art generated by the US government is public domain, freely copyable unless you're trying to counterfeit something. These cards bear not the slightest resemblance to actual currency - it's fragments of currency art, repurposed.
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Well thanks Don... As always just a pool of knowledge... Now I'm feeling good... This deck appeals to me on many levels... Having collected currency and combining this with my love for cards is a win/win... I now feel much better...
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Well thanks Don... As always just a pool of knowledge... Now I'm feeling good... This deck appeals to me on many levels... Having collected currency and combining this with my love for cards is a win/win... I now feel much better...
Even if the art was "play money," if it resembles a real bill too closely, the Secret Service will get involved. I found that out in the late '70s when my father's company designed an ad that was closely copied from a $100 note. The paper was no match at all and there were many differences, but the size and shape matched and there was enough of a similarity that in a dark room, it could pass, if only briefly, as the real thing. They were issued cease-and-desist orders from the Federal Government and forced to redesign the ad and destroy all uncirculated copies of the old one.
This "bill" would not fit the bill as being something actionable. To be more accurate, the bill is done in the style of the intaglio printing of US currency notes, but there's an inadequate similarity to the actual notes themselves. If a person can get away with printing a straight-forward copy of a $100 note, squeezed to fit the dimensions of a card back (which has happened - such a deck exists), then this deck's a non-issue to the Secret Service.
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Well thanks Don... As always just a pool of knowledge... Now I'm feeling good... This deck appeals to me on many levels... Having collected currency and combining this with my love for cards is a win/win... I now feel much better...
Right now I'm having issues with the inconsistency of this Kick-starter campaign.
They just updated with a teaser back design for a Silver Certificate deck if they hit 85K. In all honesty this new Silver design is better then the Fed 52 and the Gold designs. There is no guarantee this project will hit 85K, which means we might not get Jackson's best work should the deck fall short. This really should have been all planned out prior to launching the campaign. What happens if the campaign hits 85K hours before the end. New rewards need to be created to include the silver deck and then most will have to update their choices last minute. The early birds get screwed, while those who waited get everything. The poster prints are nice but most who support this project want the decks. Add to the fact Jackson does not even want the Bicycle logo on the box but is going with it anyway due to inconvenience.
The design and skills are amazing but I don't know what I'm paying for anymore. Finish the design's first then launch the kick-starter. It kills me to see a project with so much potential to be flawed because of poor planing. Whats the rush? You only get one chance at making a first impression. This project will stick with you for as long as you plan to create future decks.
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Yeah, he is rushing like he has very little time on Earth. I would prefer if he separate the decks into individual projects so it wouldn't be so messy by squeezing everything into one project.
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Right now I'm having issues with the inconsistency of this Kick-starter campaign.
They just updated with a teaser back design for a Silver Certificate deck if they hit 85K. In all honesty this new Silver design is better then the Fed 52 and the Gold designs. There is no guarantee this project will hit 85K, which means we might not get Jackson's best work should the deck fall short. This really should have been all planned out prior to launching the campaign. What happens if the campaign hits 85K hours before the end. New rewards need to be created to include the silver deck and then most will have to update their choices last minute. The early birds get screwed, while those who waited get everything. The poster prints are nice but most who support this project want the decks. Add to the fact Jackson does not even want the Bicycle logo on the box but is going with it anyway due to inconvenience.
The design and skills are amazing but I don't know what I'm paying for anymore. Finish the design's first then launch the kick-starter. It kills me to see a project with so much potential to be flawed because of poor planing. Whats the rush? You only get one chance at making a first impression. This project will stick with you for as long as you plan to create future decks.
It's simple. When he launched his project, I'm sure he had hopes and dreams for big success, but like most practical humans, he applied "lottery ticket" logic. You buy a ticket hoping you'll win but expecting you won't. Turns out that his ticket is a winner. One's plans do change a lot after a significant windfall...
I wouldn't worry about this project making or not making the stretch goal. I could practically guarantee that he will produce that silver certificate deck, one way or another. Maybe another KS project, maybe privately funded. He'd be crazy not to - because of people like you, who want it so much!
As far as early birds not getting all the worms, I wouldn't worry too much about that. Most KS campaigns will toss in decks when certain stretch goals are met, and even if they don't add them for free, they give their backers an opportunity to get all the goodies even after it's closed. They'd be crazy not to! It would be like a retailer saying, "Oh, I don't want THAT much extra cash..."
I will grant you, however, that it's best to have a design at least 90% locked in and done before going to Kickstarter. I get the impression that he's still making the deck as he goes along. Lance did that on his Actuators (Artist's Edition) and he overshot his planned delivery date in part as a result of that.
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@ Don:
I'm out...
The court cards are some of the best court cards I've ever had the pleasure of seeing. Unfortunately the first Fed 52 back design is now being out classed by its own court cards.The placement of the suits on the Fed 52 eagles are throwing me off. It needs a drastic redesign. I'm also not a fan of aged or distressed white he is using. Right now its not a practical design for me.
All the best to Jackson!!
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@ Don:
I'm out...
The court cards are some of the best court cards I've ever had the pleasure of seeing. Unfortunately the first Fed 52 back design is now being out classed by its own court cards.The placement of the suits on the Fed 52 eagles are throwing me off. It needs a drastic redesign. I'm also not a fan of aged or distressed white he is using. Right now its not a practical design for me.
All the best to Jackson!!
It isn't really an "aged" look he's aiming at - it's the look of paper currency, which is never purely white, not in this country. I get the feeling you're going to like this deck a lot more when it's in your hands than you already do now.
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Is it me or does the Fed 52 Deck look very similar in design to Artisan's?
It's almost like the outline of the Artisan's back was traced and filled with Fed 52 design.
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Is it me or does the Fed 52 Deck look very similar in design to Artisan's?
It's almost like the outline of the Artisan's back was traced and filled with Fed 52 design.
Artisans look more like the back of the Pedale Deck to me...
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Is it me or does the Fed 52 Deck look very similar in design to Artisan's?
It's almost like the outline of the Artisan's back was traced and filled with Fed 52 design.
Legacy, knock it off... This is one of the nicest decks to come from any source for a long, long time... And the Jokers are sick... I am a big fan of how he incorporated the classic US from USPCC in the corners of the Joker... Keep up the good work...
Edit: As for the Silver Certificate, wicked... let's get this to $85K so I can grab one as well... I also have to add, it's so refreshing to be able to pick up two or three incredible decks out of the gate, rather than him milking the collectors to wait for the next "rad" new back... E, D&D, HOPC, & T11 take note... Three backs, one project, much respect for the collectors...
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Is it me or does the Fed 52 Deck look very similar in design to Artisan's?
It's almost like the outline of the Artisan's back was traced and filled with Fed 52 design.
...Eeeh. Kinda. But only the central placing of the seals.
(http://www.acquiremag.com/2012/11/23/artisan1.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/470340/posts/432845/image-228047-full.jpg?1363790779)
I think it looks closer to the founders.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/361/895/0f03b2a33cd3b43aa20d24de8bcfb19b_large.jpg?1359519267)
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Is it me or does the Fed 52 Deck look very similar in design to Artisan's?
It's almost like the outline of the Artisan's back was traced and filled with Fed 52 design.
Legacy, knock it off... This is one of the nicest decks to come from any source for a long, long time... And the Jokers are sick... I am a big fan of how he incorporated the classic US from USPCC in the corners of the Joker... Keep up the good work...
Edit: As for the Silver Certificate, wicked... let's get this to $85K so I can grab one as well... I also have to add, it's so refreshing to be able to pick up two or three incredible decks out of the gate, rather than him milking the collectors to wait for the next "rad" new back... E, D&D, HOPC, & T11 take note... Three backs, one project, much respect for the collectors...
Wow jmrock, you've gotten soft.
The decks are very nice. Its just not nice enough for me. This is my opinion and that's what this forum is for. To each their own.
If Jackson's goal was to create 3 great decks of playing cards, he's done it. No doubt about that. If he stuck with one of his 3 back designs (the silver cert) with his court cards, he could have 1 of the best decks ever designed in the history of playing cards. I just have trouble with the fact he is watering down his decks by creating 3 decks instead of only one really amazing deck. Version 2, Version 3, Silver Certificate & Gold Certificate could have all been done on other kick starter projects. Rome wasn't built in a day and yes, I see Rome being built with an unfinished foundation.
I'm sorry Mr. JMRock if you have a problem with me criticizing projects on this forum. What ever was I thinking (sarcasm)... Forums in general would suck if everyone always agreed with each other. Relax with your gag orders.
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Is it me or does the Fed 52 Deck look very similar in design to Artisan's?
It's almost like the outline of the Artisan's back was traced and filled with Fed 52 design.
...Eeeh. Kinda. But only the central placing of the seals.
(http://www.acquiremag.com/2012/11/23/artisan1.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/470340/posts/432845/image-228047-full.jpg?1363790779)
I think it looks closer to the founders.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/361/895/0f03b2a33cd3b43aa20d24de8bcfb19b_large.jpg?1359519267)
Hey, throw in a picture of Tally Ho Circle Backs for good measure... And Bicycle Riders, too!
There's a lot of similarities between a LOT of decks, people... It happens when you're seeking symmetry in a lot of directions, which most decks do.
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"what are you talking about?" don't you see it? this is the new pedale. it's like the second coming of jesus. he should do very good.
this is a pic of the 2nd joker:
jackson your at 1700+ backers at $75,000 at 10 days; yet, i don't see your $85,000 stretch goal in the home kickstarter page. you might want to think of a $100,000 stretch goal. might be possiable. so far you have been very creative in your rewards and stretch goals. you need a new reward "bomb" of at least $1000. all your $500 rewards have been bought; you need something higher to help reach your $85,000 stretch goal. do you got any "1 of a kind" items laying around or ppl like to be involved in rewards.
expect a big surge. you will most likely have at least 2000 backers.
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I'm going to pledge on the last day since the levels started to confuse me early on (there's 36 rewards/levels/tiers and counting), but it's very likely that the 85K goal will be reached. I can't see all the updates, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but if funding reaches 85K, will the silver certification deck also be offered?
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No, in his next Kickstarter campaign, he'll be releasing both The Silver Certificate Deck and The Reserve Note Deck. If we hit $85K on this campaign, he'll release unbranded (i.e. no Bicycle on the tuck box) decks.
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No, in his next Kickstarter campaign, he'll be releasing both The Silver Certificate Deck and The Reserve Note Deck. If we hit $85K on this campaign, he'll release unbranded (i.e. no Bicycle on the tuck box) decks.
Thank you PrincessTrouble! I was hoping to pledge for all 3 or 4 versions at once, but it does make sense to spread the series out over time.
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Wow jmrock, you've gotten soft.
The decks are very nice. Its just not nice enough for me. This is my opinion and that's what this forum is for. To each their own.
If Jackson's goal was to create 3 great decks of playing cards, he's done it. No doubt about that. If he stuck with one of his 3 back designs (the silver cert) with his court cards, he could have 1 of the best decks ever designed in the history of playing cards. I just have trouble with the fact he is watering down his decks by creating 3 decks instead of only one really amazing deck. Version 2, Version 3, Silver Certificate & Gold Certificate could have all been done on other kick starter projects. Rome wasn't built in a day and yes, I see Rome being built with an unfinished foundation.
I'm sorry Mr. JMRock if you have a problem with me criticizing projects on this forum. What ever was I thinking (sarcasm)... Forums in general would suck if everyone always agreed with each other. Relax with your gag orders.
I don't think I issued a gag order, that's more Sheriff Don's department... However, "I'm hard; it's the decks that have gotten soft..." (Anyone?) Just got tired of bashing every other deck out there... If I were to discuss every piece of garbage being produced, I wouldn't have enough time on my hands for my responsibilities... I'm going to stick with the fact that I haven't seen any deck that comes close to this in a very, very long time... I actually got that feeling back that went away this past year or so following the kickstarter revolution... Again, kudos to Jackson for designing a true gem and for taking the constructive criticism from the community to elevate this deck to the next level... Amazing work thus far, and we're not even through yet...
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i think jackson has such a following he could make a website and skip the 2nd kickstarter altogether. people could preorder the 2nd and 3rd deck before this kickstarter is even over. this guy has a site: http://misc-goods-co.myshopify.com
who would have thought cards that looked like money would be a good theme.
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History:
Mar 8 http://www.unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=179&start=120
"wow we have 2 heavy hitters on kickstarter. Synthesis and Grid 2.0. synthesis hit its goal in how many days? eriik and shane i might add are trustworthy. you will get your product. hell i sent them $3000 check and got it back. it only took a month erik . 4pm design i respect. he has giving me some good feedback. i've seen his last deck. i think he is pretty much in the game; he will make his goal. Flowers - if you check out their rewards strategy, it's good; they might make it."
Erik and Shane are from Albino Dragon.
Then Feberal 52 was born.
I had to start a thread on Mar 13 http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/federal-52/
Then I thought -
Mar 28 http://www.unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=179&start=120
"russell - thanks that works. i can't help but say its great "Synthesis" and "Grid 2.0" made it to 100% but i do hear a sucking sound from "Federal 52". i'm i wrong. so far there are 20 deck projects. if i read this 2 years from now will this seem a small #."
Even with the confusion of the rewards, you have stumbled to success Jackson. You started with "he who shall not be named" and ended up being friends with 4pm and Albino dragon. Nice call.
My only finial bitch is you should have made the stretch goals on the kickstarter home page so it's there easy to see. I see that you changed some $1000 rewards to $750 rewards. nice and I've been watching the $15 reward pool. these are the guys you want to step up in rewards. With you mentioning their kick starters:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4pm/grid-20-bicycle-playing-cards?ref=card"
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1460165270/albino-dragons-synthesis-playing-cards?ref=card"
I think you have started and trend of support. I think Grid 2.0 and Synthesis have a nice exhale if everyone throws some media at it(7 days left). Facebook; whatever. I'm giving a $3000 spread on Synthesis. I think they will win. Place your bets on these heavy hitters. Any takers
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So I have to be honest, how did Pedale raise all that money, and Fed52 barely come close to it?
Pedale was decent at best. A good, solid deck. Fed52 innovated, it had an amazing concept, it was perfection on every level (I seriously can't think of a single flaw).
Meh
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Didn't the Misc Goods deck also get posted on design blogs? If Federal 52 hasn't, it should be.
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Didn't the Misc Goods deck also get posted on design blogs? If Federal 52 hasn't, it should be.
That right there was the key to its success. When the cardheads got their first look, most of them saw the $15 price tag, shrugged and moved on. The key for that kind of success is exposure outside of the community. Decks like Bohemia and Curator did as well as they did because they broadened the interest in them wider than just card collectors. Toward the end of the campaign, Bohemia was getting an unusual number of pledges from British women, thanks to an appearance in a design blog - not your typical card collector.
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It occurred to me he should (or should have) tried to get mentioned in finance and investment blogs too. I'm sure it would have been quite popular.
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Hey guys. I just wanted to take some time and tell you guys thank you so much for all of the encouragement and constructive criticism throughout the Federal 52 project. I have learned so many things about creating card and I owe alot of that to you guys, thank you.
Jackson
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It occurred to me he should (or should have) tried to get mentioned in finance and investment blogs too. I'm sure it would have been quite popular.
I'll put it to you this way - it doesn't look like he was hurting for backers! :)) I'd guess that a good percentage of the people investing in this project would not define themselves as deck collectors, magicians or cardists.
Hey guys. I just wanted to take some time and tell you guys thank you so much for all of the encouragement and constructive criticism throughout the Federal 52 project. I have learned so many things about creating card and I owe alot of that to you guys, thank you.
Jackson
You can pay me in those new chips you're offering! :)) JK, bro - it's you who did all the work, we just yelled at you from the peanut gallery.
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Congratulations on your success, Jackson; you deserve it :)
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Less than 70 minutes and just under $7000 left to break the record! Good luck Jackson!
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Around $6,200 now, 56 minutes to go. It might be a photo finish!
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Holy crap! It just flew up by $6000 in 2 minutes!
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Well, I just couldn't hold off purchasing the deck. Got my pledge in with 1.5 minutes to spare, ended up getting the $24 pack. Congrats on the decks Jackson, looking forward to having them in my collection.
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Well, I just couldn't hold off purchasing the deck. Got my pledge in with 1.5 minutes to spare, ended up getting the $24 pack. Congrats on the decks Jackson, looking forward to having them in my collection.
I kicked in last night for two of each deck - four different designs... Cost $100, but it's a great set.
Unfortunately I did miss kicking in for the Sultana... I've got to stop waiting for the last minute...
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$149,146, we have a new record!
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$149,146, we have a new record!
It was touch and go for a while - it was still about five thousand short in the final fifteen minutes. But yes, a new record. :)) How many did you get?
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Way too many! 2 of each deck for my own collection, and a few more to actually use! And one of each of the poker chips too! Think I changed my pledge twice in the final 15 minutes!
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Jackson was kind enough to send me a few decks - the KS pledge rewards will be going out within a few days or so...
This will take a few posts, so forgive the length and the adequate-at-best photography!
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Part two of unknown...
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Part the third
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Now the Gold Certificates...
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...and the final set.
Handling, feel - good. They're Magically Finished on Bicycle stock; this isn't an unusual combination by now! I couldn't throw a dart at my collection without hitting at least one such deck! :)) But yes, they handle nicely. My photos really don't do the cards justice - you guys who pledged for them will really enjoy them.
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Thanks for the photos Don, the cards look fantastic! Jackson, you've done an amazing job :D
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Those photos look awesome, cannot wait to open the mailbox and see my set in there. Definitely some of my favourite decks I have purchased in a while.
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Those decks look absolutely AMAZING!
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For best viewing, click once to open a larger image of each shot in a new window, then click AGAIN to zoom in...
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still waiting for mine. :(
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I hope the resellers get theirs soon so I can buy some. I foolishly passed these up when they were on KickStarter.
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I hope the resellers get theirs soon so I can buy some. I foolishly passed these up when they were on KickStarter.
Sorry 10ofClubs there are no resellers with my decks, the only place you will be able to buy the decks post is my website.
www.kings-wild-project.myshopify.com
Jackson
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Hey folks, so theses are shipping now. If anyone cares to help out a fellow collector who missed out on the KS feel free to PM me. Thanks gang.
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Got my cards today. I forgot that he signed a deck for everyone. Now I can't open them. Dammit Jackson! Hurry up and put them in your store, so I can give you more of my friggin money.
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Hey folks, so theses are shipping now. If anyone cares to help out a fellow collector who missed out on the KS feel free to PM me. Thanks gang.
You did spot that he's selling the remaining decks on Shopify, right? I'll quote him:
Sorry 10ofClubs there are no resellers with my decks, the only place you will be able to buy the decks post is my website.
www.kings-wild-project.myshopify.com
Jackson
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Hey folks, so theses are shipping now. If anyone cares to help out a fellow collector who missed out on the KS feel free to PM me. Thanks gang.
You did spot that he's selling the remaining decks on Shopify, right? I'll quote him:
Sorry 10ofClubs there are no resellers with my decks, the only place you will be able to buy the decks post is my website.
www.kings-wild-project.myshopify.com
Jackson
From my understanding, He is not going to add them to his online store until all the KS backers have been delivered. I checked just in case- not there yet.
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From my understanding, He is not going to add them to his online store until all the KS backers have been delivered. I checked just in case- not there yet.
True, but when those backers' decks are shipped, they'll be on sale at his Shopify page. Perhaps I should have more clearly used a future tense...
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I forgot that he signed a deck for everyone.
Oh cool! I didn't realize that, now I am even more excited to get my decks in the mail. Guess it's time to start checking the mailbox everyday.
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I would love to pick up one of these deck, really great concept and design. Happy to hear there may still be a chance via his shop.
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These cards have been on fire on ebay. I missed out on the original funding project on kickstarter so ebay was where I had to turn for my fix. I didn't want to take a chance on missing out on these fantastic cards.
Every single buy it now has closed as soon as it was basically listed.
The last two auctions have been for 2 decks. A Lot of 2 Unbranded (no Bicycle) Federal 52 & Gold Certificate Playing Cards sold for $165.00. The other 2 decks sold for $150.00.
It takes a lot of money to buy a deck printed like money!
The cards were/are a fantastic idea and I think represent a dream coming true which in turn makes everything that much better.
I would take a bow and drink a shot of something nice if I were you Jackson.
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I can't beleive how much these are going for on eBay! I know they're no longer available and fully customised decks, but its still a bit gobsmacking! Glad I picked mine up for regular price though. They're awesome!
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I got a few during the KS project, but not as many as I should have, or wanted to. For some reason, I tought that he had said somewhere that the standard ones would be available for purchase after the project, adn I figured I'd wait. Well, that was obviously a BIG mistake on my part. Well, at least I have a few of all of the versions, including signed and the blacks. Although I wanted to open and use these, I'm not cracking the cello on these for anything now.
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I got a few during the KS project, but not as many as I should have, or wanted to. For some reason, I tought that he had said somewhere that the standard ones would be available for purchase after the project, adn I figured I'd wait. Well, that was obviously a BIG mistake on my part. Well, at least I have a few of all of the versions, including signed and the blacks. Although I wanted to open and use these, I'm not cracking the cello on these for anything now.
A limited number should be available after the project.
However, there's the matter of decks getting damaged during shipping. There also were some incorrect orders as well.
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I would be willing to buy any damaged/misprinted decks. I want to open a few decks up!
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I would be willing to buy any damaged/misprinted decks. I want to open a few decks up!
Perhaps you should check out his topic in the Sales, Trades and ISOs board - he's trading Fed52s for other decks there.
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I hadn't seen mention of this but if I've overlooked please merge, etc.
Jackson Robinson's selling the last of the Federal52 decks but only through tomorrow, 2/23. At least I hope it includes tomorrow or else this is really too late. They're also 50% off so, generally $25/deck.
Now that I've already got my decks I can share the word without fear of missing out. ::) Bike Branded original Fed52s ran out right under my nose. Sorry I didn't get a chance to post this sooner but as much as I wanted these I felt like I owed it to any kindred souls who missed out.
http://kings-wild-project.myshopify.com/collections/cards
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I hadn't seen mention of this but if I've overlooked please merge, etc.
Jackson Robinson's selling the last of the Federal52 decks but only through tomorrow, 2/23. At least I hope it includes tomorrow or else this is really too late. They're also 50% off so, generally $25/deck.
Now that I've already got my decks I can share the word without fear of missing out. ::) Bike Branded original Fed52s ran out right under my nose. Sorry I didn't get a chance to post this sooner but as much as I wanted these I felt like I owed it to any kindred souls who missed out.
http://kings-wild-project.myshopify.com/collections/cards
It's done. We try keeping decks in the Plethora to a single topic, to make information easier to find later without having to search all of creation for it.
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Ah, ok gotcha. I see what your saying. Definitely will do in the future. Thanks!
Hope everyone got the Feds they wanted if they were in the market!