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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Siegismyname on January 31, 2013, 08:35:22 PM
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It seems like there is a new DM deck in the works with E as seen in revelations. There is custom courts but not really sure about the number cards.
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I would take a guess and say that the courts are probably the same as the courts on his Players. But looks "clean" with the darker back and the same DM logo. Look forward to seeing more of this deck!
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I'm a fan of the solid black back with the small DM logo. I'll probably pick up a few of these. any idea when they plan on being released?
:D
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I am definitely going to get this deck looks like wynn playing cards except with the DM logo .
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From the QC shown I would think that they should be more than a simple recoloring
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How was his first deck of cards? I actually haven't had the pleasure of playing with the deck myself. Is the draw the custom courts and the marked back? How was the handling? Like any other deck? Sorry, bunch of questions but I'm curious :)
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I too love the fact of the very simplistic back. I've always loved the numerous decks like that, and I'm the same way with this deck. Also, those court cards are killing me! I love them so far!
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Less is more. These past few days I have been feeling quite partial to simple designs. :)
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Here's a few more pics I found of the deck.
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Simple design, but looks great!
I've got a feeling they are brown, ill have to look into picking a few up!
Ill await the news!
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I've got a feeling they are brown, ill have to look into picking a few up!
If you roll over the picture, it will darken, showing a black design. If you look at the floor, that is a mix of brown and mahogany. Comparing that to the deck, I'd say the deck is black.
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Why go with Ellusionist?
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Why go with Ellusionist?
Because he works for them...
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He's using a deck with his own logo on it, there's nothing to suggest Ellusionist is involved with it... In case you guys STILL haven't noticed, most people do use decks from multiple companies even if they work for one.
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Yes it's just interesting to see why he'd have one deck made at theory11 and then go to Ellusionist for another deck... Even if he works for Ellusionist, he still has ties at Theory11 doesn't he?
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he still has ties at Theory11 doesn't he?
According to what?
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Yes it's just interesting to see why he'd have one deck made at theory11 and then go to Ellusionist for another deck... Even if he works for Ellusionist, he still has ties at Theory11 doesn't he?
I worked for a corner store once and I don't ask for tobacco companies' permission when I sell my furniture.
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He's using a deck with his own logo on it, there's nothing to suggest Ellusionist is involved with it... In case you guys STILL haven't noticed, most people do use decks from multiple companies even if they work for one.
But he wouldn't be advertising about it in a vlog he's making for E, now would he? Especially after what we learned about E's non-compete agreements from Jason Brumbalow.
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is "E" code for Ellusionist? Are they the company that shall be "not named?"
:D
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is "E" code for Ellusionist? Are they the company that shall be "not named?"
:D
:)) gave me a pretty good laugh! As you can see, laziness has a hold on all of our lives. I mean isn't "E" so much easier to type than "Ellusionist"?? ;)
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From afar it kinda looks like Wynns just with a smaller logo-design.
Maybe DM is going to transfer? hahah! oh well its his choice if he goes with E or T11
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wow nice looking deck ^^. will get these for sure if they are selling.
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From afar it kinda looks like Wynns just with a smaller logo-design.
Maybe DM is going to transfer? hahah! oh well its his choice if he goes with E or T11
While I'm sure he's just on contract rather than on payroll, it looks like Daniel's working with E for the immediate future.
wow nice looking deck ^^. will get these for sure if they are selling.
"If they are selling?" It's not a matter of "if" so much as it is a matter of "when"... :))
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Maybe DM is going to transfer? hahah! oh well its his choice if he goes with E or T11
Daniel never worked for T11. He was a contributing artist. A bit like someone who gets their effect up on the wire - albeit with fewer perks. JB and Daniel discussed the idea of a deck of DM playing cards a few years ago, and as of late last year - it came to fruition, however Daniel no longer contributes in any way to them.
While I'm sure he's just on contract rather than on payroll, it looks like Daniel's working with E for the immediate future.
He's a permanent member of staff. http://www.ellusionist.com/about-us
Finally, - absolutely, we use different companies playing cards when we want to. We had a couple of decks of Stranger&Stranger's when we were in San Francisco that were kindly supplied by the Bucks for us to check out. We also used Robocycles and Zenneth's Bee Coteries - in fact I think in Revelations 4 you can actually see the Coteries being used for 'Slingshot' - and I'm pretty sure there's a photo on our Facebook page that shows the Robocycles being used on our Colossal Close Up Mat. However, all other decks we've used in the last few weeks have been ours.
Heck, when we have an endless supply of our own cards - why would be bother using anyone elses? It's a matter of convenience, as well as preference. Why eat mince when you make Steak, right?
-J.
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Maybe DM is going to transfer? hahah! oh well its his choice if he goes with E or T11
Daniel never worked for T11. He was a contributing artist. A bit like someone who gets their effect up on the wire - albeit with fewer perks. JB and Daniel discussed the idea of a deck of DM playing cards a few years ago, and as of late last year - it came to fruition, however Daniel no longer contributes in any way to them.
While I'm sure he's just on contract rather than on payroll, it looks like Daniel's working with E for the immediate future.
He's a permanent member of staff. http://www.ellusionist.com/about-us
Finally, - absolutely, we use different companies playing cards when we want to. We had a couple of decks of Stranger&Stranger's when we were in San Francisco that were kindly supplied by the Bucks for us to check out. We also used Robocycles and Zenneth's Bee Coteries - in fact I think in Revelations 4 you can actually see the Coteries being used for 'Slingshot' - and I'm pretty sure there's a photo on our Facebook page that shows the Robocycles being used on our Colossal Close Up Mat. However, all other decks we've used in the last few weeks have been ours.
Heck, when we have an endless supply of our own cards - why would be bother using anyone elses? It's a matter of convenience, as well as preference. Why eat mince when you make Steak, right?
-J.
As usual, thanks for popping in and setting things straight for us! You should drop by more often.
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Why eat mince when you make Steak, right?
Well said!
Daniel is a great addition to your team. He's someone that draws people's attention to your brand and is a highly respected talent in the industry. However, If Daniel is going to be a face of Ellusionist... Its time to clean the facial hair up or go with a new style. The grey streak in his knotted beard is not appealing. Just saying...
I look forward to see more of this deck and having an opportunity to buy it.
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Any info on if this deck will be gimmicked? Marked like the players, or some other sort of quirk?
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You are a fool, Legacy. That is Daniel's swag...his appearance adds to the allure and mystery. You think all magicians or cardists need to be clean cut? Welcome to 2013 my friend, where guidelines are blurred and sticks up asses are starting to loosen up. Did you see he ha tattoos as well?? He should have to cover those up.... >:(
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You are a fool, Legacy. That is Daniel's swag...his appearance adds to the allure and mystery. You think all magicians or cardists need to be clean cut? Welcome to 2013 my friend, where guidelines are blurred and sticks up asses are starting to loosen up. Did you see he ha tattoos as well?? He should have to cover those up.... >:(
No need for insults... Your taking my comments to the extreme. I said nothing about covering up tattoos. Ellusionist is a business. I don't know what guidelines you've blurred but if cleanliness is one of them I feel sorry for you. This was not about disrespecting Daniel. I'm just saying a beard trim and a haircut would go a long way.
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Would go a long way in what regards? Do you think people are drowning on E because DM has a beard and hair? You may be right...I was walking down the road the other day and in passing heard "I would order some awesome items from Ellusionist if it wasn't for that fella's beard and long hair. Darn whipper snapper." And did you just make a brash statement insinuating having a beard and hair is a reflection of one's cleanliness? Damn, son you are a confused one aren't ya?
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Would go a long way in what regards? Do you think people are drowning on E because DM has a beard and hair? You may be right...I was walking down the road the other day and in passing heard "I would order some awesome items from Ellusionist if it wasn't for that fella's beard and long hair. Darn whipper snapper." And did you just make a brash statement insinuating having a beard and hair is a reflection of one's cleanliness? Damn, son you are a confused one aren't ya?
Sin, I started to read some of what you wrote and then realized you were telling some fabricated delusion of yours. I won't try to make sense of insanity. Your obviously very passionate about Daniel's facial hair possibly more than himself. It's just not worth it to me to continue. I gave my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.
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You are a fool, Legacy. That is Daniel's swag...his appearance adds to the allure and mystery. You think all magicians or cardists need to be clean cut? Welcome to 2013 my friend, where guidelines are blurred and sticks up asses are starting to loosen up. Did you see he ha tattoos as well?? He should have to cover those up.... >:(
No need for insults... Your taking my comments to the extreme. I said nothing about covering up tattoos. Ellusionist is a business. I don't know what guidelines you've blurred but if cleanliness is one of them I feel sorry for you. This was not about disrespecting Daniel. I'm just saying a beard trim and a haircut would go a long way.
If DM wants to looks like how he is, let him be - it doesn't affect his talent in magic nor cardistry at all.. You basically just said 'I don't wanna disrespect Daniel, but he looks like a tramp'
The classic 'Don't judge a book by its cover' is applicable in this case I believe :D
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Any info on if this deck will be gimmicked? Marked like the players, or some other sort of quirk?
I don't think the back design can be marked if the back is made up of solid black with one symbol on it.
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Any info on if this deck will be gimmicked? Marked like the players, or some other sort of quirk?
I don't think the back design can be marked if the back is made up of solid black with one symbol on it.
Actually, you'd be surprised... But I don't think it's likely. He's already done that once, and I've never seen E sell a marked deck or any videos/books on the topic yet.
I recognize the value of a gimmicked deck as much as the next magician, but many tricks that can be performed with a marked deck can also be performed without one. I think of it as the "Borrowed Deck Principle" - some of the best and most skillful tricks should be possible with any decent-condition deck borrowed from someone, utterly ungimmicked in any way. (Not that my skill is quite at that level yet, but you get the picture!)
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I received a new deck (unsolicited, complete surprise) in the mail today. It is called Madison Rounders and it is put out by Ellusionist. There was a note in it indicating I received it since I was a Black Club member and Daniel Madison wanted to know what I thought about them before they were released. He asked me to try them out and provide some feedback on the Ellusionist Facebook page.
The cards have custome jokers, A of S, and all of the court cards. The rest are standard, with the exception that the red is darker than the standard Bicycle cherry-red.
The box has a nice texture to it - like an air-cushion finish. The long sides have absolutely nothing written on them. The bottom flap has Ellusionist info and the top has the deck name. Nowhere on the outside of the box does it say USPCC. It does say it on the Ace of Spades.
The cards have the usual magic finish smell. I think they are standard Bicycle stock - not Bee Casino. They seem two cards thinner than CARC Bee Erdnase deck and the same thickness as Bicycle Wounded Warrior. They don't feel stiff.
I like the back design (plain black with Madison logos at both ends) and the borders certainly are not thick. They seem to faro better back to front but front to back can be done - it's just a little hitchy right now. Maybe when they are broken in more it will be better. The spread and handle well like any new Bicycle deck.
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o770/DelMagic/RoundersBox-x_zpsafbfa0dd.jpg)
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o770/DelMagic/RoundersCourts2-x_zpsb7de808c.jpg)
(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o770/DelMagic/RoundersCourts1-x_zps474681bd.jpg)
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I cannot wait for this deck. I'll admit to being a DM fanboy lol
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Now I REALLY have to go check my mail... I joined Black Club as well! It's a nice companion deck with the Madison Players, I think. 'Cept the Players bein' marked and all... :))
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Nice review and thanks for sharing that.
The decks really looks good and will go all Ying and Yang along with Players.
I just hope it's an unlimited released 'cause my wallet is telling me not to stockpile this time around.
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Nice review and thanks for sharing that.
The decks really looks good and will go all Ying and Yang along with Players.
I just hope it's an unlimited released 'cause my wallet is telling me not to stockpile this time around.
Yeah, I feel that. But E doesn't do strictly limited editions like some of the other houses. The majority of their offerings are continuously restocked as long as we keep buying them!
I merged this topic with the previous topic on this project - before we knew the name and design of the deck.
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Here's to hoping Don gets a deck in the mail :D
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Wow!
I really like these cards. The back design isn't too flashy, and the same can be said for the ace, court cards, and jokers. The box texture also looks very similar to the Bohemia deck's box.
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Here's to hoping Don gets a deck in the mail :D
Here's hoping I get one in the mail!
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I think it is pretty sweet that he sent these out unsolicitied with a hand written note and signature to play with them and leave feedback on the E facebook page. Their of course looking to create some free marketing and hype, but cool that they sent out some early decks to bribe us.
I also think the simplicity and lenin looking finish on the tuck box gives it a really unique look.
Don't know if I want to open this one, might wait until I get another couple decks when they go on sale. Wonder if he has printed the entire print run already, I assume so. Anybody know or have an idea if they are limited like the original Players? It also seems odd that USPCC would produce a deck without requiring their name on the tuck box at least on the bottom flap, which only has the Ellusionist Info and logo.
Don you should have gotten them today, unless your mailman is slow or into cards.
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I think it is pretty sweet that he sent these out unsolicitied with a hand written note and signature to play with them and leave feedback on the E facebook page. Their of course looking to create some free marketing and hype, but cool that they sent out some early decks to bribe us.
I also think the simplicity and lenin looking finish on the tuck box gives it a really unique look.
Don't know if I want to open this one, might wait until I get another couple decks when they go on sale. Wonder if he has printed the entire print run already, I assume so. Anybody know or have an idea if they are limited like the original Players? It also seems odd that USPCC would produce a deck without requiring their name on the tuck box at least on the bottom flap, which only has the Ellusionist Info and logo.
Don you should have gotten them today, unless your mailman is slow or into cards.
I would open them - you've been asked to comment back on the design, performance, etc., none of which you'll learn with the cellophane still in place! I get the feeling they'd like that comment BEFORE the official release, don't you? (It's safe to assume that the print run is complete, since I doubt USPC is making the deck order in stages - it would be one print run, over and done.)
The hype/marketing you mentioned isn't free - it's probably costing them a good couple of bucks per pack, though they are (apparently, though it's not yet confirmed) sending them to Black Club members and not the entire customer roster.
I have seen USPC decks that lack USPC markings on the box - especially when the AoS is clearly marked with the manufacturer's name. They just aren't very common - and I'm sure they're willing to be a bit flexible when it comes to a big customer like E.
"Lenin looking finish?" So the cards look like Vladimir Lenin, the Russian communist revolutionary? :)) I think you meant "linen", which in this case is easily described as "having a textured surface", which technically is no longer an aspect of the finish but instead is an aspect of the paper.
I may or may not be getting them in the mail - it has yet to be established that all Black Club members and not just selected ones are receiving this deck. It's less to do with my mail being slow, more to do with my mail being two counties away in a post office box... :))
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Sweet looking deck!
Interested by why Caveat Emptor is on on the Ace. Caveat Emptor means 'let the buyer beware', must be some secrets in the deck.
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A very clever marketing ploy for the Black Club, a few of these pop up for 'feedback' and everyone is talking about them.
I'd hazard a guess that they won't be changing too many things based on feedback, more it's a way of building some hype a little differently than in the past. It also gives them the disclaimer that they can say they aren't building hype as such, rather asking for opinions.
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I'd hazard a guess that they won't be changing too many things based on feedback, more it's a way of building some hype a little differently than in the past.
Red Artifice Public Release. Artifice Second Editions. Purple Artifice. New Fathom box (coming soon). New Sultan Republics (also - coming soon). Blue LTD. Thinner Bordered Shadow Masters.
These are all items that would not exist/have been changed had it not been for Feedback. In fact, probably 60% of our decks (and plans) change -usually in very minor ways- because of customer Feedback. We've scrapped entire print-runs and told USPC to fix things because of early feedback on two decks that I can recall. Just saying - when we ask for feedback, or say that we're listening to feedback - we actually listen. It's much easier to sell something to someone when they're entirely happy with the product, rather then them thinking it's 'so-so'. We like Win-Wins. (Also, Wynns.)
Interested by why Caveat Emptor is on on the Ace.
Revealed shortly. Watch for it.
The hype/marketing you mentioned isn't free - it's probably costing them a good couple of bucks per pack...
And then some. It's a few bucks just for shipping. Plus those Bubble-mailers, plus Daniel's time individually hand-signing each note, plus of course the decks themselves. We could have accomplished similar by just posting some pics on Facebook and making people drool and get themselves in a frenzy over them... but where's the fun in that?
Don - as a Black Club member, yours is undoubtedly sitting in that post box 2 counties away.
Victor - we couldn't remember whether Canada was North or South, so took a punt. Your package is apparently sitting in a small town in Mexico. Looks like the coin-flip failed. North. Who knew? Sorry, you get nothing.
-Jake
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Red Artifice Public Release. Artifice Second Editions. Purple Artifice. New Fathom box (coming soon). New Sultan Republics (also - coming soon). Blue LTD. Thinner Bordered Shadow Masters.
Whilst I take your point, I meant I don't imagine the feedback is going to change the design of the deck (as is right now) too much as I was (admittedly guessing) it was already in print. Most (maybe all?) of those examples you mentioned above were not based on feedback given pre-release.
In a nutshell, i'd imagine it may chance the second edition but not this one.
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Victor - we couldn't remember whether Canada was North or South, so took a punt. Your package is apparently sitting in a small town in Mexico. Looks like the coin-flip failed. North. Who knew? Sorry, you get nothing.
-Jake
Admittedly you might be joking but... is it true that International Black Club members are not also getting this free deck? Is that what you are hinting at?
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Red Artifice Public Release. Artifice Second Editions. Purple Artifice. New Fathom box (coming soon). New Sultan Republics (also - coming soon). Blue LTD. Thinner Bordered Shadow Masters.
I am assuming along with JPMiddleton that this print run is done and feedback would only effect later decks?
The hype/marketing you mentioned isn't free - it's probably costing them a good couple of bucks per pack...
And then some. It's a few bucks just for shipping. Plus those Bubble-mailers, plus Daniel's time individually hand-signing each note, plus of course the decks themselves. We could have accomplished similar by just posting some pics on Facebook and making people drool and get themselves in a frenzy over them... but where's the fun in that?
-Jake
Agree my earlier "Free" comment was grossly under stating it, and of course the decks weren't free for us either since they were theoritically part of our club membership fee. Don't take us wrong, I at least think this is a great marketing idea and fun way to include at least club members in the release and generate some authentic hype & "Frenzy". As apposed to artificially generating the hype by other means. I also think the hand written note was an excellent personalized touch, we appreciate the sore hand Daniel.
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Red Artifice Public Release. Artifice Second Editions. Purple Artifice. New Fathom box (coming soon). New Sultan Republics (also - coming soon). Blue LTD. Thinner Bordered Shadow Masters.
Whilst I take your point, I meant I don't imagine the feedback is going to change the design of the deck (as is right now) too much as I was (admittedly guessing) it was already in print. Most (maybe all?) of those examples you mentioned above were not based on feedback given pre-release.
In a nutshell, i'd imagine it may chance the second edition but not this one.
Did you notice he included the public release of Red Artifice - something that happened PRE-RELEASE? The rest occurred after an initial release received public feedback.
If the deck was reviewed really, REALLY poorly for some bizarre reason, you can bet that it would be under serious consideration to yank the release and tweak it, a la Theory 11/Gold Monarchs.
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I'd hazard a guess that they won't be changing too many things based on feedback, more it's a way of building some hype a little differently than in the past.
Red Artifice Public Release. Artifice Second Editions. Purple Artifice. New Fathom box (coming soon). New Sultan Republics (also - coming soon). Blue LTD. Thinner Bordered Shadow Masters.
These are all items that would not exist/have been changed had it not been for Feedback. In fact, probably 60% of our decks (and plans) change -usually in very minor ways- because of customer Feedback. We've scrapped entire print-runs and told USPC to fix things because of early feedback on two decks that I can recall. Just saying - when we ask for feedback, or say that we're listening to feedback - we actually listen. It's much easier to sell something to someone when they're entirely happy with the product, rather then them thinking it's 'so-so'. We like Win-Wins. (Also, Wynns.)
Interested by why Caveat Emptor is on on the Ace.
Revealed shortly. Watch for it.
The hype/marketing you mentioned isn't free - it's probably costing them a good couple of bucks per pack...
And then some. It's a few bucks just for shipping. Plus those Bubble-mailers, plus Daniel's time individually hand-signing each note, plus of course the decks themselves. We could have accomplished similar by just posting some pics on Facebook and making people drool and get themselves in a frenzy over them... but where's the fun in that?
Don - as a Black Club member, yours is undoubtedly sitting in that post box 2 counties away.
Victor - we couldn't remember whether Canada was North or South, so took a punt. Your package is apparently sitting in a small town in Mexico. Looks like the coin-flip failed. North. Who knew? Sorry, you get nothing.
-Jake
Well that's a little harsh. Anyway, the way I understood it everyone in the Black Club was getting these, as one of the club perks. Isn't exactly fair that only a few people get them. Hell even the USPC is sending out free decks, first the Club 808 and now a whole brick of Standards, why can't you do the same, after all we paid you almost 10 times what we paid them for a membership! And maybe if I get nothing, you won't get nothing any more from me!
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This is hilarious. I am a bit sour, only because of how badly I want this deck in my hand...but reading this post has taken the edge off...FUNNY!
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I'd hazard a guess that they won't be changing too many things based on feedback, more it's a way of building some hype a little differently than in the past.
Red Artifice Public Release. Artifice Second Editions. Purple Artifice. New Fathom box (coming soon). New Sultan Republics (also - coming soon). Blue LTD. Thinner Bordered Shadow Masters.
These are all items that would not exist/have been changed had it not been for Feedback. In fact, probably 60% of our decks (and plans) change -usually in very minor ways- because of customer Feedback. We've scrapped entire print-runs and told USPC to fix things because of early feedback on two decks that I can recall. Just saying - when we ask for feedback, or say that we're listening to feedback - we actually listen. It's much easier to sell something to someone when they're entirely happy with the product, rather then them thinking it's 'so-so'. We like Win-Wins. (Also, Wynns.)
Interested by why Caveat Emptor is on on the Ace.
Revealed shortly. Watch for it.
The hype/marketing you mentioned isn't free - it's probably costing them a good couple of bucks per pack...
And then some. It's a few bucks just for shipping. Plus those Bubble-mailers, plus Daniel's time individually hand-signing each note, plus of course the decks themselves. We could have accomplished similar by just posting some pics on Facebook and making people drool and get themselves in a frenzy over them... but where's the fun in that?
Don - as a Black Club member, yours is undoubtedly sitting in that post box 2 counties away.
Victor - we couldn't remember whether Canada was North or South, so took a punt. Your package is apparently sitting in a small town in Mexico. Looks like the coin-flip failed. North. Who knew? Sorry, you get nothing.
-Jake
Well that's a little harsh. Anyway, the way I understood it everyone in the Black Club was getting these, as one of the club perks. Isn't exactly fair that only a few people get them. Hell even the USPC is sending out free decks, first the Club 808 and now a whole brick of Standards, why can't you do the same, after all we paid you almost 10 times what we paid them for a membership! And maybe if I get nothing, you won't get nothing any more from me!
You CANT think he was serious, can you?
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Victor - we couldn't remember whether Canada was North or South, so took a punt. Your package is apparently sitting in a small town in Mexico. Looks like the coin-flip failed. North. Who knew? Sorry, you get nothing.
Well that's a little harsh. Anyway, the way I understood it everyone in the Black Club was getting these, as one of the club perks. Isn't exactly fair that only a few people get them.
You CANT think he was serious, can you?
It goes without saying... the Facepalm is implied.
-Jake.
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I'd hazard a guess that they won't be changing too many things based on feedback, more it's a way of building some hype a little differently than in the past.
Red Artifice Public Release. Artifice Second Editions. Purple Artifice. New Fathom box (coming soon). New Sultan Republics (also - coming soon). Blue LTD. Thinner Bordered Shadow Masters.
These are all items that would not exist/have been changed had it not been for Feedback. In fact, probably 60% of our decks (and plans) change -usually in very minor ways- because of customer Feedback. We've scrapped entire print-runs and told USPC to fix things because of early feedback on two decks that I can recall. Just saying - when we ask for feedback, or say that we're listening to feedback - we actually listen. It's much easier to sell something to someone when they're entirely happy with the product, rather then them thinking it's 'so-so'. We like Win-Wins. (Also, Wynns.)
Interested by why Caveat Emptor is on on the Ace.
Revealed shortly. Watch for it.
The hype/marketing you mentioned isn't free - it's probably costing them a good couple of bucks per pack...
And then some. It's a few bucks just for shipping. Plus those Bubble-mailers, plus Daniel's time individually hand-signing each note, plus of course the decks themselves. We could have accomplished similar by just posting some pics on Facebook and making people drool and get themselves in a frenzy over them... but where's the fun in that?
Don - as a Black Club member, yours is undoubtedly sitting in that post box 2 counties away.
Victor - we couldn't remember whether Canada was North or South, so took a punt. Your package is apparently sitting in a small town in Mexico. Looks like the coin-flip failed. North. Who knew? Sorry, you get nothing.
-Jake
Well that's a little harsh. Anyway, the way I understood it everyone in the Black Club was getting these, as one of the club perks. Isn't exactly fair that only a few people get them. Hell even the USPC is sending out free decks, first the Club 808 and now a whole brick of Standards, why can't you do the same, after all we paid you almost 10 times what we paid them for a membership! And maybe if I get nothing, you won't get nothing any more from me!
You CANT think he was serious, can you?
He takes everything serious and gets pissed off at everyone. any chance he can take to be mad.
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Whoa, Nelly... Can we get back to topic, folks?
The humor was subtle, but yes, Jake was KIDDING...
I'm itching to get to the post office now... Tomorrow...
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Wait a minute!!
So international members of the black club, get the chance to get something like this??
Wow.. im considering joining, but i just want to be 100% sure of this, anyone care to confirm?... It would be amazing if we could get extra stuff from the membership.
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All Black Club members were sent a deck courtesy of Daniel (and us, of course) - this includes international customers.
Yes, there are indeed 'unpublished' perks of the Black Club, but we prefer not to spoil any surprises - which is why noone received an email shipping confirmation - didjya notice? ;)
We can neither confirm nor deny the existence of future privileges - but I can say that the Rounders were only sent to existing members of the Black Club - 'gotta be in it to win it' sort of thing.
As it is you still get minimum 5% off all purchases (excluding Gift Cards), 24 hours pre-release purchase window for all new releases (and most sales, where we can) and of course access to the Black Club store - which is ever-expanding (oh - and the Welcome Kit, 3 Free Downloads etc, etc). We've got plenty more planned as well - so yeah, it pays to be a member.
Release date is still under wraps for Rounders for a little while longer and as always - Black Club will be getting first bite of the cherry when they're released (along with some other goodies finally coming out as well).
-Jake
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Whoa, Nelly... Can we get back to topic, folks?
The humor was subtle, but yes, Jake was KIDDING...
I'm itching to get to the post office now... Tomorrow...
Sorry I didn't know he was kidding. Great news, thanks for confirming it Jake! Sorry I missed your joke earlier.
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All Black Club members were sent a deck courtesy of Daniel (and us, of course) - this includes international customers.
That's incredible considering individual shipping costs for international packages. When were the decks sent out?
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I love the fact that Ellusionist is getting us involved in feedback before the official release of a deck. I don't know what else they are going to offer (besides the already many options) for Black Club members. But this makes me consider it. I don't think, though, that if I had known that I would be getting this free, that I would be convinced to buy the membership. But I do know that this and possible future perks definitely makes me very interested.
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I'm excited to check out this deck. And Black Club sounds very inviting for sure.
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Ooooo I think mine came in th post :)) can't wait to get back to Birmingham - roll on Sunday night :) I'm glad I bought th black club membership now :)
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He,he, my deck is already in NY! :)
This one and almost 120 other decks, most from E. I can wait to get the big package from my friend will all this decks.
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All Black Club members were sent a deck courtesy of Daniel (and us, of course) - this includes international customers.
Now that is what I call CRM.
I'm pleased they didn't ostracize us international Black Club members :D
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Lol my favorite line from
The prestige.
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The deck looks fantastic. It was also nice to surprise the members with an unpublished give away. Because of that, I am very enticed to join, but I'll see to it. Only time will tell. Tell Daniel that he's done a fabulous job.
P.S. - I love the faces on the court cards.
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Simple, elegant, not flashy, and performs well. I like mine.
I have to say though - if you're going to do custom court faces, do ALL of them. He left one of the Jacks unchanged!
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Simple, elegant, not flashy, and performs well. I like mine.
I have to say though - if you're going to do custom court faces, do ALL of them. He left one of the Jacks unchanged!
I haven't seen the cards yet but it's a little odd to do all custom courts except one. I wonder if there is a reason for it? again without seeing them I have no frame of reference, just a thought.
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Wow. It didn't take long for the Black Club members to hop onto ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Daniel-Madison-Rounders-UNRELEASED-/290868429604?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b91c0324
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Madison-Rounders-playing-cards-Ellusionist-Daniel-Madison-PROMO-RARE-/271160421463?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f226bac57
You'd think that you'd want to keep such an awesome gift.
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That's a shame. Your given a deck to give an honest review on, and you just trade it in for some money. I guess we saw it coming though.
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Not surprising people are trying to sell theirs for a quick dollar. Sad, but entirely unsurprising.
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I love the description for one of the auctions: "Deck is a rare promo item for Black Club members and has not been released to the general public"
More like, "Deck was sent out to Black Club members for early review and testing, it will then be sold to the public at a later date."
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Simple, elegant, not flashy, and performs well. I like mine.
I have to say though - if you're going to do custom court faces, do ALL of them. He left one of the Jacks unchanged!
I haven't seen the cards yet but it's a little odd to do all custom courts except one. I wonder if there is a reason for it? again without seeing them I have no frame of reference, just a thought.
They're custom in the same way as Blaine's decks. Standard courts with different faces/heads.
Wow. It didn't take long for the Black Club members to hop onto ebay.
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You'd think that you'd want to keep such an awesome gift.
Anyone paying those prices is an idiot who deserves to be parted from his money. And yes, you'd think that, but some people are stupid. "Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?"
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Oh, I recognize those faces on the court cards. Glad to see that idea finally coming to fruition, Jake.
This is definitely a deck in my taste. With 700+ decks of different designs stored away in my closets I should be getting rid of them instead of purchasing new ones, but I'll have to pick up a handful of these.
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Today, I have finally received this beautiful gift from the Ellusionist! :) Very happy :)
Super smooth, handles very well :)
I like the Jokers and those court cards, like the neat back design. The thin border is another plus.
My deck came in a black padded envelope with an invoice wrapped around the deck, but I did not get any note from neither the Ellusionist nor Mr Madision himself...
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yay :)) I got my deck .. I found th tuck box a little unusual - white front and sides, black back (unusual aint a bad thing, I like .. Nooooo, I love :) )
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today i just receive the black artifice's present: the test deck of Rounders by DM. The cards are very beautiful. When I look at the back of the cards, the color and the logo make me think about Wynee Bee cards. It is quite smooth
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Here is the thread:
http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/(new)-daniel-madison-deck/
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Before the topics are merged I would like to add that u seem to have received 2 decks while others receive only 1. Hmmmm.
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Before the topics are merged I would like to add that u seem to have received 2 decks while others receive only 1. Hmmmm.
2 decks? Special special :D what can I do to get some special treatment ;D
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Very nice! Mr Madison has great taste.
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Theres a new video up... The trailer for this cards... It seems a little weird.
Anyway this is iunofficial but we shall see this cards release this friday... Maybe?
Also... Does anybody know if Black club members get an early chance to buy them?
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I don't think so that's why they go them for free.
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I don't see why Black Club members wouldn't be able to get the first crack at them. My understanding is that all Black Club members are allowed access to view and purchase all and any new products before regular members are allowed. This would apply to Rounders even though they received pre-release decks wouldn't it?
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Yup, got my "early bird" buy for the rounders in .. Now I'm just laughin at those guys who purchased this deck for stupid amount of money
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Beat me by a few minutes... Black Clubbers got the email at 4pm for 24 hours of pre-purchasing.
And those eBay buyers were idiots in the first place.
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The buyers on eBay were probably uninformed people due to not having resources like ours on this forum. The sellers are just taking advantage of these uninformed people. Not very nice but a huge market and very smart business move.
Maybe they'll do a quick google search next time once they see that you didn't have to pay ridiculous amounts for something that will be available soon.
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:) Got my brick...
im curious if this are goign to be "limited"?? there is nothing that says otherwise but being a Daniel Madison product... you never know...
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:) Got my brick...
im curious if this are goign to be "limited"?? there is nothing that says otherwise but being a Daniel Madison product... you never know...
I just ordered mine. If it was limited, it would say limited. It's not limited.
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aye, for all us none BC members...we get them tomorrow :D
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Ordered a brick and a gold arcane uncut. I can definitely see myself using the Rounders a fair bit. Love them.
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Ordered a brick and a gold arcane uncut. I can definitely see myself using the Rounders a fair bit. Love them.
I only ordered three - they're unlimited, I can always get more. Plus I finally got that ring! I thought it would make an excellent signet ring for pressing into sealing wax. (When I write, I go "ancient school"! Dip pens, parchment, sealing wax - the latest in early second-millennium technology!)
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how much is shipping for 4 decks ?
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how much is shipping for 4 decks ?
We've got this amazing thing called an 'integrated checkout' at Ellusionist. You put what you want to buy into your cart, and then fill in the details with where it needs to be sent. Once you do that, the 'integrated cart' tells you which shipping options apply to you, and how much to pay for each. From there, you can continue through to the 'payment processor' - or keep shopping.
-Jake
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Ordered a brick and a gold arcane uncut. I can definitely see myself using the Rounders a fair bit. Love them.
I only ordered three - they're unlimited, I can always get more. Plus I finally got that ring! I thought it would make an excellent signet ring for pressing into sealing wax. (When I write, I go "ancient school"! Dip pens, parchment, sealing wax - the latest in early second-millennium technology!)
The ring does look nice indeed, let me know how it feels when you get it. Also, I mainly ordered a brick due to international shipping costs and time.
And Jake, where does one acquire such technology?
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how much is shipping for 4 decks ?
We've got this amazing thing called an 'integrated checkout' at Ellusionist. You put what you want to buy into your cart, and then fill in the details with where it needs to be sent. Once you do that, the 'integrated cart' tells you which shipping options apply to you, and how much to pay for each. From there, you can continue through to the 'payment processor' - or keep shopping.
-Jake
but i'm not a black member smart one.
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how much is shipping for 4 decks ?
We've got this amazing thing called an 'integrated checkout' at Ellusionist. You put what you want to buy into your cart, and then fill in the details with where it needs to be sent. Once you do that, the 'integrated cart' tells you which shipping options apply to you, and how much to pay for each. From there, you can continue through to the 'payment processor' - or keep shopping.
-Jake
but i'm not a black member smart one.
Jake's explanation still stands. You'll just have to wait until tomorrow to check the options for where you live.
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Frost, I don't think shipping is dependent on race. The fact that you are not a "black member" vs a white or brown or yellow member holds no relevance ;D
Jake, I laugh every time you post...love the sarcasm :D
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how much is shipping for 4 decks ?
We've got this amazing thing called an 'integrated checkout' at Ellusionist. You put what you want to buy into your cart, and then fill in the details with where it needs to be sent. Once you do that, the 'integrated cart' tells you which shipping options apply to you, and how much to pay for each. From there, you can continue through to the 'payment processor' - or keep shopping.
-Jake
but i'm not a black member smart one.
Frost, have you considered that just dropping any ol' four decks into your cart and going through the checkout process without completing it would tell you what it costs to ship four Rounders decks, considering that any four packs will probably cost the same to ship as any other four packs?
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how much is shipping for 4 decks ?
We've got this amazing thing called an 'integrated checkout' at Ellusionist. You put what you want to buy into your cart, and then fill in the details with where it needs to be sent. Once you do that, the 'integrated cart' tells you which shipping options apply to you, and how much to pay for each. From there, you can continue through to the 'payment processor' - or keep shopping.
-Jake
but i'm not a black member smart one.
What's being a black member got to do with shipping? ???
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I think the idea was that since he wasn't a Black Club member he couldn't add the Rounders to his cart to calculate how much shipping would be. But that should no longer be a problem seeing as the deck is now available to the general public.
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I think the idea was that since he wasn't a Black Club member he couldn't add the Rounders to his cart to calculate how much shipping would be. But that should no longer be a problem seeing as the deck is now available to the general public.
...and my idea was that E is unlikely to charge different shipping for any other four decks, like four decks of Emerald Artifice. He could have dropped four of those in the cart and calculated the shipping.
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I picked up a brick. 15% off for quantity plus the 10% discount code. I could not be happier.
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I picked up a brick. 15% off for quantity plus the 10% discount code. I could not be happier.
Just out of curiosity, how long do you think it will take you to go through the whole brick and use up or give away all twelve decks?
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I picked up a brick. 15% off for quantity plus the 10% discount code. I could not be happier.
Just out of curiosity, how long do you think it will take you to go through the whole brick and use up or give away all twelve decks?
I know the question is for him...
But in my case it takes 3 weeks to burn a deck...
But since I (like many of you too) have a lot of decks, i wont be burning through them quickly.... maybe not even in the next 2 years :/
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I think the idea was that since he wasn't a Black Club member he couldn't add the Rounders to his cart to calculate how much shipping would be. But that should no longer be a problem seeing as the deck is now available to the general public.
...and my idea was that E is unlikely to charge different shipping for any other four decks, like four decks of Emerald Artifice. He could have dropped four of those in the cart and calculated the shipping.
Hey I understood your point. That's exactly what I did in order to see how much it would be for me since I'm not a Black Club member. I'm glad Ellusionist doesn't charge up the rear for shipping in comparison to some other sites.
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I really am tempted to pick up a couple of these decks. I tend to like minimalist types of design and this is fitting the bill pretty well.
Screw it, here we go... putting the order in now.
Haven't actually used the E website since they changed up the design... seems to run a bit smoother.
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I really am tempted to pick up a couple of these decks. I tend to like minimalist types of design and this is fitting the bill pretty well.
Screw it, here we go... putting the order in now.
Haven't actually used the E website since they changed up the design... seems to run a bit smoother.
Runs smoother, looks cooler - it was a good update.
You won't be disappointed in the Rounders, I think.
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I picked up a brick. 15% off for quantity plus the 10% discount code. I could not be happier.
Just out of curiosity, how long do you think it will take you to go through the whole brick and use up or give away all twelve decks?
I keep 3 to 6 for my collection, 2 to use sparingly between other decks in the rotation. Some decks have no place in my collection for one reason or another. I will eBay those or give a few to young family members. Most of the decks I use are thoroughly broken in until they are begging for mercy. I find using decks at different levels of usage to be helpful in refining any of the cardistry skills I've developed the past 2 years. Depending on the quality, I could stretch a brick a year or more. Needless to say and probably more to your point, I have many decks waiting in the wings to be used.
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Is it me or the box is made out of the same paper as a playing card?
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Is it me or the box is made out of the same paper as a playing card?
Not the same paper. But it is embossed like air cushion finish. The Bohemia deck's box also had this.
guess it must be a new thing.
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Is it me or the box is made out of the same paper as a playing card?
Not the same paper. But it is embossed like air cushion finish. The Bohemia deck's box also had this.
guess it must be a new thing.
It's not that new - it's called a linen finish tuck box. The black Stingers from T11 had that finish on the box. Maybe one or two others did as well in recent history, but I can't remember which ones. You don't see it a lot because it's not cheap and it's not done in-house.
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Has anyone who's in the Black Club not receive the courtesy deck sent out yet? I have not received mine and I've check made sure my address was correct. That should not be a problem as I've made purchases after joining the club and it was sent to me correctly.
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Has anyone who's in the Black Club not receive the courtesy deck sent out yet? I have not received mine and I've check made sure my address was correct. That should not be a problem as I've made purchases after joining the club and it was sent to me correctly.
It's not just a deck, it's a huge boxed kit. Inside is the big fancy Black Club box for storing up to fifteen of your most cherished decks, and inside that box is a plastic tray holding your Black Club Artifice deck, your membership card (it's more symbolic, but it does have two card reveals on it) and your Halo lighted wristband.
The first question to ask here would be: when did you join? The second would be: did you receive an email confirmation of the shipment from E?
If the second question's answer was "yes", could it be possible that the delivery was made by a simple drop-off while you weren't home and someone else decided to swipe your box? I recall when getting mine via my PO Box at the post office I had to get the box scanned for Delivery Confirmation, but no signature was required. I'd check your account at E and look for the tracking number to see whether the box was listed as delivered or not.
If your package is being shipped overseas, it's also possible that to save on shipping it was posted by the least-expensive method available, meaning it could still be in transit.
And of course, there's the final question: if there is indeed a problem, have you contacted Ellusionist yet?
If you have anything more you want to know on the topic of the Black Club, please make a new topic for it - this is for the Madison Rounders.
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Has anyone who's in the Black Club not receive the courtesy deck sent out yet? I have not received mine and I've check made sure my address was correct. That should not be a problem as I've made purchases after joining the club and it was sent to me correctly.
It's not just a deck, it's a huge boxed kit.
I think he may be asking why he hasn't received the Rounders deck. LeonJL - it would depend on when you joined. If you joined before January this year you should have received it (if you're domestic) - if you joined after January, you were probably too late to get in before we ran names and addresses for shipment, if you're international, it's probably still on its way (I haven't received mine from that mailing either, being in Australia).
If you're domestic, and you joined before January - hit me up at the email address below with your email address and I'll have a look into it for you.
-Jake.
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(I haven't received mine from that mailing either, being in Australia).
You live in Australia, work for Ellusionist. Must be one helluva commute! :))
Thanks for the redirect.
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Anyone see revelations 11? Daniel hints at using a black sharpie to mark the rounders. I just thought it interesting seeing as the design is black and wondering if that idea was part of the intended design. I've seen this demonstrated using the rider backs before. I own the players. So I would imagine one could us the same marking system. Not sure how inconspicuous that will look. It just makes this deck more unique considering its minimalistic back design.
Also it was brought up that all the court cards are custom except the jack of diamonds. However many of the individuals reviewing the deck are missing the signature on the jack of diamonds.
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Does anybody know how these handle? Do they handle like wynns? Tempted to buy some.
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Does anybody know how these handle? Do they handle like wynns? Tempted to buy some.
They are not like wynns but they do handle well, like most of Ellusionist decks. I am happy with my purchase of them, they look awesome and seem to be holding up fine after a bit of use.
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Does anybody know how these handle? Do they handle like wynns? Tempted to buy some.
Nearly every deck coming out of USPC these days handles well, due to Magic Finish being the default finish. The only differences would be thickness of stock.
This deck handles nicely and the stock is moderately soft - not Bee Casino, probably in the Bicycle range.
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LwtmUguRiWY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLwtmUguRiWY%26feature%3Dyoutu.be (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LwtmUguRiWY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLwtmUguRiWY%26feature%3Dyoutu.be)
Incredible!
This deck of cards gets better and better.
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LwtmUguRiWY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLwtmUguRiWY%26feature%3Dyoutu.be (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LwtmUguRiWY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLwtmUguRiWY%26feature%3Dyoutu.be)
Incredible!
This deck of cards gets better and better.
That's a neat trick but what interests me more is what he said about Artifice Tundra. They purposefully took the Ghost face design and put it on this new Artifice. This just confirms the fact that they did plan on releasing a deck more like Artifice "Ghost" than "Tundra".
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Its a common thing, that people get accustomed to changes. Imo, decks were getting worse, and now are getting better again. Reason being to reduce manufactor-costs, the best finishes are not being produced any more.
When i go through my old decks, especially the old ellusionists UV500s and Ohios, the new decks still cant hold up to durability and feel.
Lucky me i still have a bunch, but they wont last forever.
Man, and i can only imagine how much better the decks in the 70s must have been.
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Looking at Ellusionist's website and at the pictures of the Rounders, the third picture actually shows the back of the card slightly reflecting the light bulb next to it. Maybe that was a very subtle hint at that little built in trick (or tool).