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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Siegismyname on December 18, 2012, 08:04:39 AM
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http://shop.davidblaine.com/products/db-leather-card-clip
This one has been sort of flying under our radar here. I first got word a couple of days ago at UC about this deck. I am curious to see what lies inside and probably use them. The porper clips also look very nice. Anyone from Singapore wants to grab this and work out a trade? :D
Here's the write-up on the site for those of you who are lazy to click the link:
"These clips are the second release to come from the collaboration of David Blaine and Lawrence Sullivan. Their style and functionality has been designed with uncompromising standards for David's and a select few magicians personal use- these highly sought after clips are now available for serious magicians only. Limited to only 22 clips, which come with 37 never-before-released Gaff White Lion Red and Blue cards.
The process begins in the USA with a laser-etched Joe Porper card clip, adorned with extremely high quality Brown and Black leather. Skilled artisans treat the exposed rough metal edges in a labor intensive process typically reserved for high-end wallets and handbags. This rubber-like finishing adds an extra touch of class for individuals who demand unmatched quality and style.
Available in black leather and dark brown leather. Black leather clip also comes with a leather wallet that holds up to 20 playing cards."
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I was wondering when someone else would notice - I was about to post it. I picked up a brown clip.
This about it - only 22 clips, only 22 decks... Now THAT'S a short run. I'm sure there's more that will eventually see the light of day, but when, how many and at what cost?
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I was wondering when someone else would notice - I was about to post it. I picked up a brown clip.
This about it - only 22 clips, only 22 decks... Now THAT'S a short run. I'm sure there's more that will eventually see the light of day, but when, how many and at what cost?
Don, When u get them post some pictures. Or at least describe what the gaffs are :)
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I was wondering when someone else would notice - I was about to post it. I picked up a brown clip.
This about it - only 22 clips, only 22 decks... Now THAT'S a short run. I'm sure there's more that will eventually see the light of day, but when, how many and at what cost?
Don, When u get them post some pictures. Or at least describe what the gaffs are :)
I believe I can do that... :)) I expect them possibly by the weekend, but I don't know when I'll get to my PO Box next - I usually hit it up once or twice a week.
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Thanks Don :).
Also I suspect there will be some duplicate cards in that deck as the description mentioned that there are '37 never-before-released Gaff White Lion Red and Blue cards' and there should be at least 56 cards in the deck. Or maybe 19 of them are double backers and blank-faced cards that have already been seen. Well, all will be revealed in due time.
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Thanks Don :) .
Also I suspect there will be some duplicate cards in that deck as the description mentioned that there are '37 never-before-released Gaff White Lion Red and Blue cards' and there should be at least 56 cards in the deck. Or maybe 19 of them are double backers and blank-faced cards that have already been seen. Well, all will be revealed in due time.
Well, the order shipped yesterday. I'll probably have it tomorrow or Friday.
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Oh Don, I am waiting for your pictures too! :)
The set is selling at $150, it seems a bit expensive...
Still thinking, should I or should i not...
Love to know what cards are there! :P
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Oh Don, I am waiting for your pictures too! :)
The set is selling at $150, it seems a bit expensive...
Still thinking, should I or should i not...
Love to know what cards are there! :P
Do it - FAST. The clips are exceptionally rare, as are the gaff decks.
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Oh Don, I am waiting for your pictures too! :)
The set is selling at $150, it seems a bit expensive...
Still thinking, should I or should i not...
Love to know what cards are there! :P
Do it - FAST. The clips are exceptionally rare, as are the gaff decks.
Thanks, Don! Bought it! ;)
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I just bought the black one with the wallet. ;D
I hope the gaffs are worth it.
I mean the clip looks great and the wallet was just a cool bonus (for me), but the gaffs are the real deal here.
Also, does anybody know if the gaffs are "series B stock and finish" i mean i know that nobody knows right now (since nobody has the deck) but maybe we can "speculate"
Also im new in the forum, after 6 months of lurking, i finally decided that i should register :P
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I just bought the black one with the wallet. ;D
I hope the gaffs are worth it.
I mean the clip looks great and the wallet was just a cool bonus (for me), but the gaffs are the real deal here.
Also, does anybody know if the gaffs are "series B stock and finish" i mean i know that nobody knows right now (since nobody has the deck) but maybe we can "speculate"
Also im new in the forum, after 6 months of lurking, i finally decided that i should register :P
First, welcome aboard!
Second, your avatar is kinda trippy...
Third, David Blaine has his gaffs made by USPC, to the best of my knowledge. They're exactly the same quality as his decks. I have some of his red and blue Split Spades Lions gaffs.
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There are some cool gaffs in the deck, plus the correct instruction for reading the marking on WL series B. if the card clip is the same quality as his last release(I am sure it is) then this is a very good deal
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There are some cool gaffs in the deck, plus the correct instruction for reading the marking on WL series B. if the card clip is the same quality as his last release(I am sure it is) then this is a very good deal
Do you have one? Can you list the included gaffs, or better, include photos?
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First of all, Twiscold, the deck doesn't come with instructions on reading the deck markings. Where did you get that information from?
I say that with authority because I now have my clip and my gaff deck! It's 37 cards in a standard-sized box - lotsa extra room.
BACK COLOR - description
BLUE: AC with thumbprint on club pip concealing an 8
RED: AC with thumbprint on club pip concealing an 8
BLUE: 5D with only 4 pips
RED: 2H with blank bottom half (only one pip & one index)
BLUE: 2D with blank bottom half (only one pip & one index)
N/A: AD backed with Series B/Split Spades Lions joker
BLUE: AH with thumbprint on heart pip concealing an 8
RED: AH with thumbprint on heart pip concealing an 8
BLUE: blurry 4H
RED: blank-faced
BLUE: blank-faced
RED: series B AS with fine print: "Your card is the 3 of spades"
BLUE: series B AS with fine print: "Your card is the 7 of hearts"
BLUE: KS with one spade pip filled in white
BLUE: KC with one club pip filled in white
BLUE: QS with blank faces
BLUE: KS with blank faces
RED: double-backer
BLUE: double-backer
BLUE: 8S with one index in boldface
BLUE: 9D with only 6 pips
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with 3H "index-style" reveal
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with 2H "index-style" reveal
BLUE/RED: double-backer
BLUE: card with grid of plain boxes, 4x4
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with QH "index-style" reveal
N/A: QH backed with Series B/Split Spades Lions joker
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with AS "index-style" reveal
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with 8S "index-style" reveal
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with 8H "index-style" reveal
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with 7S "index-style" reveal
BLUE: QS with 4H reveal replaced with 7H "index-style" reveal
RED: 5S with 7C on opposite index, nearest pip to 7C index is club
BLUE: 5H with 7D on opposite index, nearest pip to 7D index is diamond
N/A: 6H backed with picture of wall lightswitch
BLUE: 10C with "ink-smeared pips" in one corner
BLUE: AH with one 3H index
...and there you have it, folks. Some of that stuff is pretty clever.
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I guess Blaine really doesn't want everyone to know the decks are marked. My friend Xavier Spades got those about 2 month ago from Blaine and he show me the deck. The instruction was the only part that I really cared about, so I remembered.
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I guess Blaine really doesn't want everyone to know the decks are marked. My friend Xavier Spades got those about 2 month ago from Blaine and he show me the deck. The instruction was the only part that I really cared about, so I remembered.
The marking system's common knowledge within the community. I know of at least one website that details both the Series A and Series B markings. There are links to it in the topic for those decks.
I'm sure that Xavior's deck was a special preview sent to him by David, which could explain why his came with such instructions. Sometimes the preview version of a product doesn't match exactly with the final release version.
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Those are some pretty nice gaffs. I also heard another 'solution' to the marking system that allows you to correctly identify the values of the cards. (Remember how we had some overlapping values in labyrinth's solution? This one eliminates them.) But I am still trying to verify them.
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Those are some pretty nice gaffs. I also heard another 'solution' to the marking system that allows you to correctly identify the values of the cards. (Remember how we had some overlapping values in labyrinth's solution? This one eliminates them.) But I am still trying to verify them.
I think one of these days soon I'll just have to bring my magnifying glass and a couple of WL decks to work... If there's a way in the marks to more accurately reveal the cards, it's got to be visible, regardless of how subtle it is, or it's not much of a marking system, is it?
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This might be a stupid question, but what are the "indexed-style" reveals you speak of?
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Those are some pretty nice gaffs. I also heard another 'solution' to the marking system that allows you to correctly identify the values of the cards. (Remember how we had some overlapping values in labyrinth's solution? This one eliminates them.) But I am still trying to verify them.
I think one of these days soon I'll just have to bring my magnifying glass and a couple of WL decks to work... If there's a way in the marks to more accurately reveal the cards, it's got to be visible, regardless of how subtle it is, or it's not much of a marking system, is it?
The markings are "optical illusions" Diagonal lines that are "wider" i got the explanation from DBs instagram, somebody there got a paper sheet explaining the full marking system (explained by david himself),
The illusion its a stereogram, an illusion that needs a "knack" to be able to see it.
Hope that helps a little bit more.
Also the gaffs seem to be great, its a shame we only get 37 cards and not the full 52 gaffs (i woulndt care if the 15 other cards were double backers and blank cards).
Maybe they are all different? when i get mine i will compare them to your list Don.
Also can you post a picture of the "smeared" ones??
Thanks.
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So the box contains 37 cards, right?
Then does the thickness of the gaff decks box thinner than standard box?
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Those are some pretty nice gaffs. I also heard another 'solution' to the marking system that allows you to correctly identify the values of the cards. (Remember how we had some overlapping values in labyrinth's solution? This one eliminates them.) But I am still trying to verify them.
I think one of these days soon I'll just have to bring my magnifying glass and a couple of WL decks to work... If there's a way in the marks to more accurately reveal the cards, it's got to be visible, regardless of how subtle it is, or it's not much of a marking system, is it?
The markings are "optical illusions" Diagonal lines that are "wider" i got the explanation from DBs instagram, somebody there got a paper sheet explaining the full marking system (explained by david himself),
The illusion its a stereogram, an illusion that needs a "knack" to be able to see it.
Hope that helps a little bit more.
Also the gaffs seem to be great, its a shame we only get 37 cards and not the full 52 gaffs (i woulndt care if the 15 other cards were double backers and blank cards).
Maybe they are all different? when i get mine i will compare them to your list Don.
Also can you post a picture of the "smeared" ones??
Thanks.
Any chance you could somehow do a diagram of what you mean? Maybe on paint or something? Haha, thanks.
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This might be a stupid question, but what are the "indexed-style" reveals you speak of?
They look like a playing card's index, value above suit, and are printed in the "card" the queen is holding which in the standard deck has four hearts printed on it.
Also the gaffs seem to be great, its a shame we only get 37 cards and not the full 52 gaffs (i woulndt care if the 15 other cards were double backers and blank cards).
Maybe they are all different? when i get mine i will compare them to your list Don.
Also can you post a picture of the "smeared" ones??
Thanks.
I'm sure that David had these done in a short run as a special favor and that the remaining cards were gaffs that he decided to keep to himself. He probably had USPC print and package them without seals or cellophane, had his staff extract the extra ones he wanted to himself and gave the rest in this set.
BTW it's probably 19 extra cards - a USPC uncut sheet holds 56 cards, not 52. And while it's possible that the sets are different, it's unlikely - David has done similar gaff-card releases in the past and the gaffs were always the same throughout. Though I have to admit that I don't think he's ever done a gaff release as large as this before. Plus there's always the chance for human error, but since there's only twenty-two decks, the chances of human error changing the lineup are slim. I wouldn't be surprised if David himself did the sorting.
So the box contains 37 cards, right?
Then does the thickness of the gaff decks box thinner than standard box?
The box is standard size for a full 56-card deck - there's a big empty space in it when it's filled with cards.
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Here you go guys white lions EXPOSED!
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It would be safe to assume that the gaffs wont be "marked"
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Here you go guys white lions EXPOSED!
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It would be safe to assume that the gaffs wont be "marked"
Been looking at my deck for around 10 minutes now and that picture has just left me with more questions than answers! Can you easily tell the values, hecrob? Could you kindly further explain the picture to a fool such as me??? :P :)
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Yeah, what's with the green and orange stripes? I'm guessing that the marks aren't simply on the edge of the card but are actually a diagonal line of marks, but are there two different types of marks?
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Okay, thanks for the clarification...Now, I think that's genius!
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The explanation its simple.
You have 2 ways to tell which card you are holding.
First card the "easy" way which is just by lookin at the left border of your playing card and locating the "odd" split splade, problem with this one is that the cards 3 - 8, 4 - 9, 5 - 10 and 6 - J share a marking (each pair). So you end up in a 50/50 situation.
The hard way is through those markings, to read the marking system you need to use the "magic eye" (im not joking, the optical illusion used in this deck its called that way) check on google to see what kind of illusion and how to spot it.
This illusion makes this deck THE MARKED DECK, you need to know which lines are which but after a while (and mixing both ways to read the marking system) you end up just memorizing 4 different patterns.
As you can see on the image the " low values" ( 3, 4 ,5 and 6) run a line from your lower left corner to your upper right corner, if you spot lines running that way you will know what value your card has.
For the High value cards you need to spot diagonal lines running from your upper left corner to your lower right corner.
So taking everything into account to read the marking system i recommend.
1.- Spot your "odd" split spade.
If its an A, K, Q, 7 or a 2 you are safe, since this cards have unique markings and you can jump to step 3
Also 7s and Qs share the same Odd split spade but the 7s have an extra odd split spade, just above the heart suit mark.
2.- If the card its a 3,4,5,6,8,9,10 or a J look for the Diagonals.
Lower left to upper right means its a "low" value, Upper left to lower right means its a high value.
Extra tip:
For an easier time locating the diagonals, start at the "odd splitspade"
3.- Locate the suit marking
4.- Reveal
Hope that helps
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Sorry for double posting...
But my gaffs arrived a week ago.
They are the same as Don's but my bad got crushed by the leather clip :/
also after close examination some of the gaffs are really good, 3 or 4 are ok and 3 are meh... (of course depending on what you do you could have a different opinion).
So its a great product, very pricey but a great product.
The clip is fantastic the only problem is that modern tuck boxes (embossed ones) really suffer.
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Sorry for double posting...
But my gaffs arrived a week ago.
They are the same as Don's but my bad got crushed by the leather clip :/
also after close examination some of the gaffs are really good, 3 or 4 are ok and 3 are meh... (of course depending on what you do you could have a different opinion).
So its a great product, very pricey but a great product.
The clip is fantastic the only problem is that modern tuck boxes (embossed ones) really suffer.
When your posts are four weeks apart, that's not double posting! :))
Porper Clips and embossed boxes have always had a love-hate relationship going on... Great for keeping the cards flat on the go, terrible for protecting the box they're enclosed in.
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Guys they are up again...
6 clips remaining...
prices from $200 - $250
A new Tan Lizard Clip!
http://shop.davidblaine.com/collections/all-products/products/db-leather-card-clip (http://shop.davidblaine.com/collections/all-products/products/db-leather-card-clip)
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Cool clips, but not worth $200-$250. Not even close. The gaff deck is a nice addition, but I'd barely put a second thought into this set at $75, let alone triple that.
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$200 but then $53 for international shipping :(
Gah the suspense. What to do :o
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Makes me glad I got mine for $150 in the first release.
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Makes me glad I got mine for $150 in the first release.
Makes me glad I never bought one of these. Like I said, it's nice, but it's just ridiculously expensive for a card clip. I'm cool with using a $30 plain Porper from Ellusionist. It's personal preference, but I also think something can be said for a $30 clip doing the same exact thing as a clip 5x-8x as expensive. To each their own.
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See this is a fashion thing. Why do people pay $100 for jeans when they can buy some for $10? branding. For david blaine fans this is the shit, and they will be buy it. For you its not worth it. In general people charge more if they brand it, because people will pay more for the name. Go to walmart, check the ceral prices. Only difference is the name.
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John has it pretty much correct. Think of it like this - there are plenty of cars out there that will get you from point A to point B with little trouble and some degree of comfort. To some, a cheap, generic economy car is fine for them, even if they could afford something much better, because they don't see it as something worth shelling out the extra dosh for. To others, a Jaguar (or BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Bentley, etc.) is how they choose to go, because of the extra features, the added appointments, the style, or simply because they like having an expensive brand name to show off their wealth.
Blaine's Porpers are great clips. His initials/logo are engraved inside the spine and painted white, and the leathers he chooses for them are top-notch, not like what you find in cheap wallets from the gift store. In addition, I wanted those gaffs!
Don't quote me on this, but I hear that Blaine might be released a full 56-card deck of these gaffs in the near future. How near, or even if they'll see release, only David & Co. knows. I'm guessing that these decks are "shorted" by some cards because David himself wanted them for his own personal supply to use while performing. Seems he likes a good gaff card. It's also probably where the Split Spades Lions gaff cards came from - David had a full deck of gaffs made, most of which for his own use, a small amount of which for release in little black envelopes found in both his "Two-Deck Split Spades Magician's Special" and his first Variety Box.
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John has it pretty much correct. Think of it like this - there are plenty of cars out there that will get you from point A to point B with little trouble and some degree of comfort. To some, a cheap, generic economy car is fine for them, even if they could afford something much better, because they don't see it as something worth shelling out the extra dosh for. To others, a Jaguar (or BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Bentley, etc.) is how they choose to go, because of the extra features, the added appointments, the style, or simply because they like having an expensive brand name to show off their wealth.
Blaine's Porpers are great clips. His initials/logo are engraved inside the spine and painted white, and the leathers he chooses for them are top-notch, not like what you find in cheap wallets from the gift store. In addition, I wanted those gaffs!
Don't quote me on this, but I hear that Blaine might be released a full 56-card deck of these gaffs in the near future. How near, or even if they'll see release, only David & Co. knows. I'm guessing that these decks are "shorted" by some cards because David himself wanted them for his own personal supply to use while performing. Seems he likes a good gaff card. It's also probably where the Split Spades Lions gaff cards came from - David had a full deck of gaffs made, most of which for his own use, a small amount of which for release in little black envelopes found in both his "Two-Deck Split Spades Magician's Special" and his first Variety Box.
Right, as I said, to each their own. I don't find the need for a luxury card clip, but more power to anyone who has one. I'm sure it is one of the best clips money can buy...at least I'd hope so for that price tag!
As for the gaff deck, that would be something pretty interesting. Hopefully that little birdie that dropped the rumor your heard is onto something.
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As for the gaff deck, that would be something pretty interesting. Hopefully that little birdie that dropped the rumor your heard is onto something.
My birdie heard it from a very big birdie, but until it's announced, nothing is ever certain. Sometimes even after being announced it's STILL not certain until you have it in your hands...
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A couple weeks ago Blaine told me by phone, the same thing....
There will be a full 50 something cards gaffed deck...
Also yeah he made a call to México ;D
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A couple weeks ago Blaine told me by phone, the same thing....
There will be a full 50 something cards gaffed deck...
Also yeah he made a call to México ;D
How did you get to talk to David Blaine? And Don has better, he met the guy. :karrit:
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A couple weeks ago Blaine told me by phone, the same thing....
There will be a full 50 something cards gaffed deck...
Also yeah he made a call to México ;D
How did you get to talk to David Blaine? And Don has better, he met the guy. :karrit:
He knows - he was my little birdie! We swapped a few PMs about what happened. :))
I know the story behind the call but I'd rather let him tell it instead.
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I ordered a few things from Blaines site on December of 2012... One of those things was a clip with the gaffed deck...
Well the gaffed deck came damaged... The box was torn on one of its edges, and i felt that for X amount of money, i wasnt supposed to get something in that condition, so i took some pics and send him some emails about it.
I got no answer.... Then 2 weeks later they reply that they will get me another deck.
So i wait.... Another week passes and no answer from them... I lost hope.
Then one day they send me an email asking for my phone number... So I thought that they needed it as shipping info or something... I send my number
5 minutes later i get a call from David Blaine....
We talked for 15 minutes, amazing 15 minutes! He explained to me why my box got damaged, that they couldnt replace it at the moment but if i waited a couple of weeks i would get another one ( he was talking about this new release of clips + gaffed cards ), he also explained to me how to use some of the gimmicks and i got to ask some questions to him, he also asked some questions about me, what was my favourite gaff and how good of a magician i think i am... ( btw im an amateur magician... Im more an architect lol ).
He also let me know that he was thinking about a new release of these gaffed cards but with 52 cards ( since my box got damaged because they only contain 37 cards and the clip just mashed it ).
So yeah 8) that was a great day....
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I ordered a few things from Blaines site on December of 2012... One of those things was a clip with the gaffed deck...
Well the gaffed deck came damaged... The box was torn on one of its edges, and i felt that for X amount of money, i wasnt supposed to get something in that condition, so i took some pics and send him some emails about it.
I got no answer.... Then 2 weeks later they reply that they will get me another deck.
So i wait.... Another week passes and no answer from them... I lost hope.
Then one day they send me an email asking for my phone number... So I thought that they needed it as shipping info or something... I send my number
5 minutes later i get a call from David Blaine....
We talked for 15 minutes, amazing 15 minutes! He explained to me why my box got damaged, that they couldnt replace it at the moment but if i waited a couple of weeks i would get another one ( he was talking about this new release of clips + gaffed cards ), he also explained to me how to use some of the gimmicks and i got to ask some questions to him, he also asked some questions about me, what was my favourite gaff and how good of a magician i think i am... ( btw im an amateur magician... Im more an architect lol ).
He also let me know that he was thinking about a new release of these gaffed cards but with 52 cards ( since my box got damaged because they only contain 37 cards and the clip just mashed it ).
So yeah 8) that was a great day....
that's awesome man! david blaine is a pretty cool guy and eh afraids of nothing.
i'm jel :D
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That's really cool. Also, David Blaine posted a picture of him and his white lions tee (I am assuming its from Jack & Jokers). Then in the comments section he says that this picture contains a secret. Could it be linked to this thread or something else? If not can anyone find the 'secret'?
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There are 4 decks in the pic and a different/smaller box .
Also some unidentified things to his left on the table.
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Wow now that's a story! I'm a bit envious if I might say so myself. But hey, worth the wait and the non-reply? Probably. I look forward to the release of the fully deck of gaffs for sure.
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I think its a whitelions stripper deck
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I think its a whitelions stripper deck
I wouldn't say a full stripper deck - the machine needed to make one correctly is a bit larger than what's on that table. He's probably using tools to edge-cut only one or two cards from a deck for a specific effect. Stripping a deck involves the use of some precision hardware, and if not cut all at once as a unit, you'll almost invariably end up with a few cards or more cut incorrectly from the rest. But shorting a card's length or width and recutting the corners to the correct shape is pretty simple with the right tools and you can use that one card in a standard deck to do some interesting things with card control.
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Here is the full image. Apperantly he is now selling this short sleeve tee together with the double deal series 'b' blue for $75
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David Blaine, i think, is one of the most greatest magicians of today's modern world. He understands us, magicians, and strives for great customer service. I've honestly never seen any other magicians or dealer who will do what the does for his customers.