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Title: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 02, 2012, 03:11:49 AM
Hey Everyone,
I created this thread to show what I have created so far for an upcoming deck. Before I created the Galvanic deck, I've always wanted to see a true irish deck hit the market. Well I bring to you the Gaelic Edition. Now that the Galvanic designs are done and are now waiting to hit the press I decided I wanted to break away from that series for now and start fresh. This is the back design thus far and will be improving it as well as creating various other designs down the road. If I get enough positive feedback then by all means another Kickstarter will launch in the near future.

Thoughts on the back design so far?
Thanks!
Sean Whelan
3D Artist
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Don Boyer on May 02, 2012, 03:58:17 AM
It looks awesome, but you might want to check with USPC regarding that level of detail.  I'd hate to see that design look like mud when the print doesn't adequately capture the fineness of the work.

Consider using a smooth-textured stock.  Smooth paper would be easier to capture detail work on, I think, than a textured paper.  For a Bee deck, that would be Ivory Finish, or Magic, if you went for the upgrade.  Magic Finish on a smooth paper is actually a good combination - the Black and Silver Acorn Backs in Ivory are actually Magically Finished.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: max on May 02, 2012, 06:38:18 AM
I really like this design, Sean. Wishing to see more about the whole deck design :)
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: loldudex2 on May 02, 2012, 07:00:41 AM
I love this back design. When I look at it from a distance, I automatically think of a field of clover with all of the swirls and depth. Looks like you're at a good start for another homerun  :)
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: NathanCanadas on May 02, 2012, 11:57:33 AM
I love the name, and I love that design. My imagination is making me think of different things: an underwater dome, a field of clovers covered in a fishing net etc. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Kanped on May 02, 2012, 01:41:14 PM
Looks really cool.  Make sure to get lots of flat-caps and pipes in the court cards.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Evan on May 02, 2012, 02:39:44 PM
I like it a lot but I'm still not to fond of the color. The purple design that you posted on Facebook was awesome but this is just not a color that I'd buy.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 03, 2012, 01:45:57 AM
Update two : D Thoughts? I fixed the lighting mostly
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Don Boyer on May 03, 2012, 08:59:59 AM
Update two : D Thoughts? I fixed the lighting mostly


The center seems a little too bright.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Russell CircleCityCards on May 03, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
I was going to say the same thing, too bright.  Try going to an almost BLACK with the gold weaving above it, it should make the gold weaving 'pop' off the card.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: NathanCanadas on May 03, 2012, 10:53:45 AM
I don't really like that croco pattern on the edge...
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Lara Krystle "Lane" on May 03, 2012, 11:02:24 AM

OMG I am so sorry to say this... but.... I have this mild phobia of swarm-ish things... like I want to scratch it and make it smooth. I can't even stare at the photo for too long without cringing and tearing up. I'm really sorry. I'm sure its a wonderful design but I have a hard time looking at it without feeling like they are moving creepy crawlies or insect eggs or worms. I'm dreadfully sorry. I really am. I did not mean any offense.

Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: dcell59 on May 03, 2012, 11:12:43 AM
I must have no taste, since I like them all so far.  ???
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Lara Krystle "Lane" on May 03, 2012, 11:46:58 AM
I must have no taste, since I like them all so far.  ???

 Well everyone has their own tastes and style preferences. So no need to tell yourself that you "must have no taste" ^-^ I'm sure a lot of people like this design. I just don't like it due to personal reasons sad to say.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: dcell59 on May 03, 2012, 02:38:52 PM
I don't know... my posts have been downfamed 322 times, after all.  ;D

Sean, are you considering metallic inks for the gold weaving? In that case, darker inks might work better for the rest of the cards. I wonder if an Alps printer would do a good job printing a design like that. It can do gold metallic and gold foil, though the masking is critical to get it right.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: NathanCanadas on May 03, 2012, 03:22:01 PM
I don't know... my posts have been downfamed 322 times, after all.  ;D
It says that for everyone on their profile page. It's not actually true, its just a bug.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: dcell59 on May 03, 2012, 04:57:14 PM
I knew that. I'm not important enough to have been downfamed that much.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Lara Krystle "Lane" on May 03, 2012, 06:15:08 PM
I knew that. I'm not important enough to have been downfamed that much.

 
Lets try to not divert this conversation and stay on topic okay?

Hey @Sean, what is your inspiration behind this design anyway?
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: NathanCanadas on May 03, 2012, 06:22:57 PM
I knew that. I'm not important enough to have been downfamed that much.

 
Lets try to not divert this conversation and stay on topic okay?

Hey @Sean, what is your inspiration behind this design anyway?

He is irish and was trying to have a celtic theme to the cards.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: wo^tron on May 04, 2012, 01:06:31 AM
I really like the design for this, definately has a lot of potential 8)

just try to take away from the lighting in the middle
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Lara Krystle "Lane" on May 04, 2012, 11:12:45 PM
 I just saw the purple version that you posted on the playing card group in facebook and from afar it was really nice.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 05, 2012, 01:28:48 AM
Next Update! I have got to say designing this deck is a lot of fun! : D
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Frost on May 05, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
I like the center but what i don't like was the boarder ca  you try it with this border ?
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 05, 2012, 02:03:49 AM
Ok here is the final design for the night. I need to go to bed I have work in 6 hours : / Cant seem to break away from designing.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Don Boyer on May 05, 2012, 02:08:30 AM
Next Update! I have got to say designing this deck is a lot of fun! : D

I liked the previous update better - with a darker center.  This looks more like a ninja throwing star than a Celtic pattern, and it doesn't conceal the seams as well as the previous one did.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Billywiz on May 05, 2012, 02:06:59 PM
That design does have a ninja throwing star look to it, try a mirrored Celtic cross in the middle.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: NathanCanadas on May 05, 2012, 06:54:49 PM
Out of the 2 latest designs, I prefer the first one, but I agree with Don about the ninja star look. Maybe putting a clover in the middle would be nice, or, as Billywiz said, a Celtic cross.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Evan on May 05, 2012, 09:57:23 PM
Out of the last 2 designs I like the first one best too. It has a mysterious look as well and it really shows depth. Great work so far!
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Don Boyer on May 06, 2012, 12:52:29 AM
I still like the first one better with a darker center.  When I think of that kind of Celtic art, I can't remember ever seeing much of it moving in curves - it's usually straight lines and intersections.  What few curves you do see tend to be simple arcs or circles.  The third design is moving in the right direction, but a simpler cross pattern with a circle around the center, just like a Celtic cross, would look authentic and cover those seams nicely.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Jin Jian on May 06, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
i really like the design !! but i prefer this 1 design to the second design .. and have you consider making this deck a marked deck and also a one way deck ??
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 08, 2012, 02:03:59 AM
Latest Celtic Design!
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 08, 2012, 02:44:10 AM
Added 4 more celtic designs in the corners, fixed various lighting and gave the center piece a more celtic, 3d look to it.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 08, 2012, 02:59:26 AM
Very Close to final design : D Just need to teak lighting issues. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: NathanCanadas on May 08, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
Just like I said on Facebook, I don't understand the color of the strips on the side. This design pleases me better but seems a bit too big to me. It looks like it is the center of attention rather than a little addition.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Billywiz on May 08, 2012, 06:38:47 PM
I like the look of that design Sean, it now has a Celtic cross look. Maybe brighten up the gold colouriing a bit to make it stand out more and give a little contrast. Other than that I think your on your way, now show us some of your ideas for the face of the cards ;D Good job.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Eyeball on May 08, 2012, 11:49:54 PM
I love the theme behind this deck! As someone who was raised Irish Catholic with a strong Irish influence in my family I can say I would love to own a few of these! As far as the latest design though, I would make the left and right branches of the cross more straight rather than the slight curve they have now.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Paul Carpenter on May 10, 2012, 01:43:41 PM
Quite an interesting look Sean. A few thoughts:

- the extra bits at the ends of each cross arm look very "messy" to me, particularly with their proximity to the card border detail. I'm not sure those are entirely necessary.
- I'd definitely play a bit with some ways to get the cross to pop off the background more. Whether that's a shadow, glow, whatever. Your design is super complex and having too many of those details overlaying each other becomes hard to visually parse
- Can you give us a full res version of things? The green background is super high contrast (almost to a jaggy point), but the cross is looking blurred and indistinct. Think you need to get those a little closer in look, perhaps just a function of rendering out a higher resolution.

neat idea though, and seeing your progression is always interesting.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 10, 2012, 02:22:52 PM
Thanks everyone so much for the feedback! But remember this design is in progress so think of all these designs I'm uploading as concept art : D
This is just me getting ahead of the game while I wait for the Galvanic to print.  I have always wanted to do this time of theme so I figured why not start now.
Why this theme though? Simply put I come from an irish background. My great grandparents came straight from Ireland. I am very proud as to where I come from and the whole irish culture. Every single thing about it. Irish pride thats all : )
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 10, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
New update for 5-10-12 redesigned the center piece, added shadow/highlights to make it pop more and added corner designs. Keep in mind the ends of the cross are not complete. Just an update to show the progress : D
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: NathanCanadas on May 10, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
I like the center of the celtic cross very much as well as the background. However I don't like the sides and lines of the cross. It seems a bit empty to me.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 10, 2012, 05:39:49 PM
I explained right above they were unfinished...
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on May 11, 2012, 12:55:55 AM
Each day comes closer and closer to the final image! tada gan iarracht! : D
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Billywiz on May 11, 2012, 07:44:16 PM
I like what you've done in the corners Sean, If you look at the center design long enough, you can see the Celtic cross. I would still like to see the cross design pop more, maybe use the same colour as the center design all the way along the cross design ( if that makes sense  :o ). Also thin out the white boarders so there not as bold. Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Eyeball on May 14, 2012, 02:07:54 AM
I think it might look better if you continued the pattern on the inside corners of the cross (bottom left and top right) to the other two inside corners, looks a bit off to only have it on part of it. Also as mentioned above I would thin out the borders a bit :).
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: zaganh on May 21, 2012, 02:04:28 AM
awesome =D i hope theres leprachuns somwhere in this deck ^^
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: Evan on June 10, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
I know you're busy with shipping out Galvanic decks but has there been anything new with this deck?
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: SeanWhelan on June 10, 2012, 05:03:10 PM
Not at this time : / Shipping the Galvanics is fun but crazy at the same time. As a designer, its actually great to step away from a design and come back to it later. So we'll see what ideas come to mind once I take a break after the shipping is complete : D
Title: Re: Bee Playing Cards Gaelic Edition *Official Thread*
Post by: N3TL0@D3R on June 24, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
It's a great design, keep going :)