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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: rainking187 on April 27, 2012, 07:07:49 PM
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4pm/the-grid-a-playing-card-deck-by-4pm-designs (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4pm/the-grid-a-playing-card-deck-by-4pm-designs)
I think it actually looks kind of cool. I'm not sure if this is a USPCC deck or not though, the goal seems kind of low to me if it is.
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Kinda have a Tron feel to them. I like them.
So similar to the front of a Bicycle tuckbox.. why not make it Bicycle.
CBJ
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Kinda have a Tron feel to them. I like them.
So similar to the front of a Bicycle tuckbox.. why not make it Bicycle.
CBJ
Looks like it isn't made by USPCC. That is what I came up with after reading the text.
Thanks!
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Here's the quote:
Stock and Size
This deck will consist of 56 cards manufactured on Official Casino stock card paper using the same processes as the world's leading playing cards. Printed in the official Poker card size of 2.5 x 3.5. Made in the USA.
I am not sure that sounds like USPCC. But hopefully it will be.
Thanks!
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I sent them a message about it with the "ask a question" button on Kickstarter. I'll let you guys know what they say.
Hopefully it's USPCC
CBJ
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Kinda have a Tron feel to them. I like them.
So similar to the front of a Bicycle tuckbox.. why not make it Bicycle.
CBJ
Looks like it isn't made by USPCC. That is what I came up with after reading the text.
Thanks!
I made an inquiry with "4pm Design" - we'll see what they reply to me. I like the Tron vibe to it, but the faces are a little too boring - at least on the courts. They could be done to better match the rest of the deck.
EDIT: dang, Jay - gotta be fast around here...
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Kinda have a Tron feel to them. I like them.
So similar to the front of a Bicycle tuckbox.. why not make it Bicycle.
CBJ
Looks like it isn't made by USPCC. That is what I came up with after reading the text.
Thanks!
I made an inquiry with "4pm Design" - we'll see what they reply to me. I like the Tron vibe to it, but the faces are a little too boring - at least on the courts. They could be done to better match the rest of the deck.
EDIT: dang, Jay - gotta be fast around here...
hahah.. You know it!
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I really like the look of this deck! The first thing that came to mind was Tron.
I like the pips a lot and the colors really pop which is nice but the court cards don't look that great. If these are USPCC, I will definitely be getting them.
EDIT: Since the court cards are standard bicycle design, does that mean it is USPCC?
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Kinda have a Tron feel to them. I like them.
So similar to the front of a Bicycle tuckbox.. why not make it Bicycle.
CBJ
Looks like it isn't made by USPCC. That is what I came up with after reading the text.
Thanks!
I made an inquiry with "4pm Design" - we'll see what they reply to me. I like the Tron vibe to it, but the faces are a little too boring - at least on the courts. They could be done to better match the rest of the deck.
EDIT: dang, Jay - gotta be fast around here...
I agree. I like them very much, they did remind me of Tron as well and the court cards could use a little more work. It would be great if they are made by USPCC.
Thanks!
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Great minds think alike ;) I immediately thought of these as a mixture between Tron, Sentinels, and Native art. I'm not a huge fan of the backs, but the faces make this totally worth it.
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Sadly, this is not going to be a USPCC deck. They were initially going through USPCC but are now going through a local company in New Jersey called Admagic. They say the quality is very good... but I've never heard of this place...
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They wrote me back as well
"They were originally intending to be, however we had some issues during its development phase so we ending up going with a local printing company in New Jersey without losing the quality we are looking for."
CBJ
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That sucks... Maybe we could convince them to change their mind if they reach more than their goal?
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the 1st thing came to my mind when i saw the deck is the movie tron.. i really like this deck design and the deck is also pretty cheap but they do not sell uncut sheets of the deck but only poster of the deck
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Sadly, this is not going to be a USPCC deck. They were initially going through USPCC but are now going through a local company in New Jersey called Admagic. They say the quality is very good... but I've never heard of this place...
They are for ads not making playing cards. It is apples and oranges.
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Ah, that's disappointing. Kind of odd the box looks like it was designed to look like a Bicycle deck if it's not USPCC. I think I'm going to have to pass on this one.
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Legally he can't go to that company and print those images he posted on the Kickstarter page. Those images (i.e. court card designs and the designs on the tuck case) are exclusive properties of uspcc. He either has to completely change the deck or print with uspcc.
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Actually I just spoke with the company. Apparently uspcc ignored there emails and never responded back. This is the reason they picked the other company. Uspcc just contacted them back today so hopefully everything works out. The company does indeed want to print with uspcc so lets hope that happens!
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Legally he can't go to that company and print those images he posted on the Kickstarter page. Those images (i.e. court card designs and the designs on the tuck case) are exclusive properties of uspcc. He either has to completely change the deck or print with uspcc.
Actually, the faces look pretty generic. There's enough prior art that they could fight it if USPC made a stink. As long as the "specials" were adequately different (Ace of Spades, jokers, box art, card back) USPC wouldn't have much legal ground to stand on. It's akin to copyrighting a font (which courts view as trying to copyright the alphabet), or patenting the spoon. The only way they defend their current, classic art such as the Bicycle Rider Back or the Tally Ho Ace of Spades is based on trademark law, since the copyright on most of that ran out many years ago. Generic playing card faces such as these are very difficult to defend in court as being the property of any one company or another since so many have used them over the years.
Remember the whole "can't alter the backs" thing with the Rider Back? They're trying to strengthen their legal ownership of the design as a trademark. As a copyrighted design, anyone could legally copy, alter and do with the Rider Back what they wanted to due to the copyright being expired - but as a trademark, different rules apply. So, USPC certainly won't let you alter the Rider Back anymore, and while I could try a third-party publisher, the legal ground for me to do so wouldn't be entirely stable - unless I could prove that they alter the design as they see fit, and thus you can't call it a true trademark.
At the least, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it! :))
EDT: Caught that last post. IT would be nice to see this as a USPC deck, since it's obvious from the design elements that's what these guys were aiming for.
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The box art does have Bicycle elements in it, though. Specifically the design around the spade, between "The Grid" and "Poker Playing Cards". That is specific to the Bicycle brand and couldn't be considered generic.
I'll only buy it if it does end up being produced by USPC.
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I saw they posted on the Kickstarter that if they hit $10,000 it'll be printed by USPCC. With nearly two months to go and $1,700 raised so far they really shouldn't have any problems hitting that goal.
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I might back it if it's USPCC deck too.
Their price is reasonable for USPCC company decks, not any cheap company's decks.
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Yeah they sent me a private message about it...
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Saturday Apr 28, 1:49am EDT Because of the big demand we're receiving about the printing of The Grid, we made an update on our main site that we will be trying to get the USPCC for printing if we hit a goal of $10,000. So we're just informing everyone who was interested in the printing that it just may be printed by Bicycle.
Thank you for your support of the Grid!"
CBJ
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That wasn't a "private" message, that was an update they sent out to all their backers.
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This is definitely one of the more complete projects out there which is great to see. This deck definitely has to be USPCC. I find it curious that they say USPCC ignored them...they have been nothing but responsive to me in every instance.
I'll ponder that for a few days but might back that one.
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I want it printed as BICYCLE
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Actually I just spoke with the company. Apparently uspcc ignored there emails and never responded back. This is the reason they picked the other company. Uspcc just contacted them back today so hopefully everything works out. The company does indeed want to print with uspcc so lets hope that happens!
This is how USPCC gets a bad rap. CBJ wrote on Unitedcardists:
"They were originally intending to be, however we had some issues during its development phase so we ending up going with a local printing company in New Jersey without losing the quality we are looking for."
Apparently that is what they told him. Now they told you a different story. The bottom line is either they never contacted USPCC until people started asking about the quality of the decks or they did not want to spend that kind of money. I just wish people would be more open and honest instead of blaming someone who isn't here to defend themselves.
However, I would like to give them KUDOS for actually listening to their customers and trying to accommodate their requests. It does show they are a company, who may not understand the industry at this moment, but is willing to learn and get it right. I think this deck would be an excellent addition to anyone's collection if USPCC printed it.
Thanks!
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Hello everybody. I'm the designer at 4PM DESIGNS and wanted to drop by and thank everyone for their support of our deck THE GRID.
There's been a lot of talk about the printing of the deck and the why and why nots. Hopefully I can clear things up. This being our first deck we originally designed the decks with the USPCC in mind throughout its development. Which is why there are still lingerings of that design in its current form. However, we ended up losing contact with the USPCC for one reason or another. We began looking for another suitable printer who can deliver our deck in the time span we were looking for since we hadn't heard back from USPCC for well over a week. Could of been a mix up or server problems, but we couldn't continue waiting with no reply. This wasn't a decision of one company over another, it was simply a timing issue. It had nothing to do with pricing.
Ironically enough, the same day we launched our kickstarter we ended up receiving an email from the USPCC about the deck. That, along with the huge response to printing, lead us to immediately start working with the USPCC again and we are now waiting on proofs of the deck. However, since we just launched the site with the previous printing prices in mind, we updated the site to let everyone know if we can reach a goal of $10,000 we can go forward with the USPCC. Going through the USPCC does indeed cost us a little more and we are expecting less of a pay back but we'd rather release a quality product that'll make our customers happy. We definately believe in quality over quantity and we hope everyone will enjoy this deck. Your voices are being heard.
Thank you all for your continued support!
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Welcome to the discourse!
Thank you for clearing all of that up. I definitely think that this deck will reach the $5000 goal and I'm really hoping the $10,000 goal too. The deck looks awesome and I find that X card very interesting. Good luck with the kickstarter!
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Hello everybody. I'm the designer at 4PM DESIGNS and wanted to drop by and thank everyone for their support of our deck THE GRID.
There's been a lot of talk about the printing of the deck and the why and why nots. Hopefully I can clear things up. This being our first deck we originally designed the decks with the USPCC in mind throughout its development. Which is why there are still lingerings of that design in its current form. However, we ended up losing contact with the USPCC for one reason or another. We began looking for another suitable printer who can deliver our deck in the time span we were looking for since we hadn't heard back from USPCC for well over a week. Could of been a mix up or server problems, but we couldn't continue waiting with no reply. This wasn't a decision of one company over another, it was simply a timing issue. It had nothing to do with pricing.
Ironically enough, the same day we launched our kickstarter we ended up receiving an email from the USPCC about the deck. That, along with the huge response to printing, lead us to immediately start working with the USPCC again and we are now waiting on proofs of the deck. However, since we just launched the site with the previous printing prices in mind, we updated the site to let everyone know if we can reach a goal of $10,000 we can go forward with the USPCC. Going through the USPCC does indeed cost us a little more and we are expecting less of a pay back but we'd rather release a quality product that'll make our customers happy. We definately believe in quality over quantity and we hope everyone will enjoy this deck. Your voices are being heard.
Thank you all for your continued support!
Welcome!!!
I'm glad you took my advice to stop by.
So you're getting proofs made at USPCC, even though you might not use them if you don't reach the goal??
CBJ
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Hello everybody. I'm the designer at 4PM DESIGNS and wanted to drop by and thank everyone for their support of our deck THE GRID.
There's been a lot of talk about the printing of the deck and the why and why nots. Hopefully I can clear things up. This being our first deck we originally designed the decks with the USPCC in mind throughout its development. Which is why there are still lingerings of that design in its current form. However, we ended up losing contact with the USPCC for one reason or another. We began looking for another suitable printer who can deliver our deck in the time span we were looking for since we hadn't heard back from USPCC for well over a week. Could of been a mix up or server problems, but we couldn't continue waiting with no reply. This wasn't a decision of one company over another, it was simply a timing issue. It had nothing to do with pricing.
Ironically enough, the same day we launched our kickstarter we ended up receiving an email from the USPCC about the deck. That, along with the huge response to printing, lead us to immediately start working with the USPCC again and we are now waiting on proofs of the deck. However, since we just launched the site with the previous printing prices in mind, we updated the site to let everyone know if we can reach a goal of $10,000 we can go forward with the USPCC. Going through the USPCC does indeed cost us a little more and we are expecting less of a pay back but we'd rather release a quality product that'll make our customers happy. We definately believe in quality over quantity and we hope everyone will enjoy this deck. Your voices are being heard.
Thank you all for your continued support!
Welcome!!!
I'm glad you took my advice to stop by.
So you're getting proofs made at USPCC, even though you might not use them if you don't reach the goal??
CBJ
Right now we're awaiting a digital proof to make sure everything is up to par. Then we're gonna take it from there. If everything continues at the rate it is now, Im more than sure we're going with USPCC so it's best to get things prepared now so they can go into print immediately after the campaign ends.
Time will tell
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I'm glad you decided to go with USPCC. I really like your deck and it would have been a shame for it not to be USPCC. Best of luck. And thanks for joining the forums!
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4pm, welcome to the Discourse.
I'm glad to hear that you're aiming for USPC to put this deck together. Now, if you do, will you be going for a "branded" deck - "Bicycle Grid", or something to that effect?
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Whats that? A new Eco Card Clip?
The clips are available on THE GRID kickstarter campaign.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4pm/the-grid-a-playing-card-deck-by-4pm-designs?ref=live
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4pm, welcome to the Discourse.
I'm glad to hear that you're aiming for USPC to put this deck together. Now, if you do, will you be going for a "branded" deck - "Bicycle Grid", or something to that effect?
We will more than likely go with our original tuck cover design which has the bicycle title in the font and style of where THE GRID title stands. With THE GRID title being listed just above "playing cards" in place of the title "poker"
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Whats that? A new Eco Card Clip?
The clips will be available on THE GRID kickstarter campain within the next day.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4pm/the-grid-a-playing-card-deck-by-4pm-designs?ref=live
I am very excited for this clip. I'm wondering though if it is possible for it to actually look in real life the way it is on the computer. This may be an issue for you guys to deal with.
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Looks like Robert Butler didn't waste any time getting a clip made up! :))
4pm, welcome to the Discourse.
I'm glad to hear that you're aiming for USPC to put this deck together. Now, if you do, will you be going for a "branded" deck - "Bicycle Grid", or something to that effect?
We will more than likely go with our original tuck cover design which has the bicycle title in the font and style of where THE GRID title stands. With THE GRID title being listed just above "playing cards" in place of the title "poker"
I had a hunch - you're going for the classic Rider Back tuck box layout. Sweet.
I am very excited for this clip. I'm wondering though if it is possible for it to actually look in real life the way it is on the computer. This may be an issue for you guys to deal with.
Is that your years of extensive design experience talking? :))
There's no reason why it shouldn't look almost exactly the same in person as it does on that representation. The clips are out of the prototype stage and there's nothing there that couldn't be replicated that stands out to me.
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Whats that? A new Eco Card Clip?
The clips will be available on THE GRID kickstarter campain within the next day.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4pm/the-grid-a-playing-card-deck-by-4pm-designs?ref=live
I am very excited for this clip. I'm wondering though if it is possible for it to actually look in real life the way it is on the computer. This may be an issue for you guys to deal with.
The Eco Clip Prototypes with the words on front were done very well and shows that more designs and words can be done.
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I decided to back this one after all when I saw it would almost certainly be printed by the USPCC, and I've already increased my pledge to get a black eco clip.
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Backed this one as well, it doesn't hurt to have another cool black deck in my collection. :) anyway, it's already over 80% funded with 97 backers, I can definitely see this one going somewhere.
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Evan and Don, all I was asking was whether the ink would be able to get printed on a clip just the way it looks on the computer. I wasn't criticizing anything.
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If anyone wants an easily affordable black eco clip you may want to pledge for it soon, a third of the black clips at the $43 level are already taken, and the next cheapest level that includes a black clip is the $175 level.
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I was tempted to pledge for one of the clips, but I already own two Eco Clip designs with two more on the way. I pledged for three decks instead. A man only needs so many clips, right? Between the Ecos and my steel clips (E, Porper, Kok) I have a total now of I think eight clips. (If you have so many you can even recall exactly how many you have, it's time to slow down!)
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4pm, welcome to the Discourse.
I'm glad to hear that you're aiming for USPC to put this deck together. Now, if you do, will you be going for a "branded" deck - "Bicycle Grid", or something to that effect?
We will more than likely go with our original tuck cover design which has the bicycle title in the font and style of where THE GRID title stands. With THE GRID title being listed just above "playing cards" in place of the title "poker"
Hi,
I did not see any uncut sheet option on the pledge, will you also sell the uncut sheet for The Grid ?
I only saw 56 Card Poster reward for 730USD tier and 1050USD tier.
THanks
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Congrats on funding this project and so fast! With 54 days left, this will surely reach $10,000 and be printed by the USPCC.
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(If you have so many you can even recall exactly how many you have, it's time to slow down!)
Oh Don
I have to respectfully disagree. If you can't remember how many clips you have, it's time to speed up and document
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(If you have so many you can even recall exactly how many you have, it's time to slow down!)
Oh Don
I have to respectfully disagree. If you can't remember how many clips you have, it's time to speed up and document
(Not if you don't want your fiancee to leave you because you couldn't afford the honeymoon trip...)
Anyone else get the cool black or natural Eco Clips for this deck? They really do look great in the mockups.
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This is a very cool looking deck and I will probably back it, but seeing that the funding ends on June 22 and not shipped till November, I'll wait and put my funds into the Seasons decks for now. So many great new decks coming out and so little cash. ;D
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Only three black eco clips left at the $43 level.
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This is a very cool looking deck and I will probably back it, but seeing that the funding ends on June 22 and not shipped till November, I'll wait and put my funds into the Seasons decks for now. So many great new decks coming out and so little cash. ;D
Remember a few things:
While it's pretty safe at this point to say this deck's going to reach its goal and perhaps the overfund goal as well, always get in on the "backer level" when you can. The rewards are usually less expensive than when they're offered for sale at retail. Furthermore, a project that's "on the brink" might not make it without strong backer support - just read my weekly report pinned at the top of the Design/Dev board on Kickstarter decks.
And perhaps you weren't aware or simply forgot, but funding the project now doesn't cost you a penny NOW. You don't get charged until some point within two weeks after the end of the project, usually within about 48 hours or so. If you pledge now, next week, late May, or an hour before the project closes, you're still not actually paying until sometime after the closing time. Pledging now, though, allows your pledge to help the project build more momentum - people love backing a project they know is getting made, and your pledge helps them reach that point (or if it's already there, helps it reach any overfunding goals the project's artist lays out for his supporters).
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I am on the edge of what to do with this deck. My one option is pledge for 2 and get them in November, or I can go buy 2 Revision 1's. I am having a hard time deciding. :-\
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I am on the edge of what to do with this deck. My one option is pledge for 2 and get them in November, or I can go buy 2 Revision 1's. I am having a hard time deciding. :-\
I don't envy you that decision. I own the Revision 1 AND I sponsored this deck. I'd have a hard time choosing. I like the Revision 1 and the design is very unique, but this really appeals to the sci-fi geek in me!
Wish I could be of more help. :))
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This is a very cool looking deck and I will probably back it, but seeing that the funding ends on June 22 and not shipped till November, I'll wait and put my funds into the Seasons decks for now. So many great new decks coming out and so little cash. ;D
Remember a few things:
While it's pretty safe at this point to say this deck's going to reach its goal and perhaps the overfund goal as well, always get in on the "backer level" when you can. The rewards are usually less expensive than when they're offered for sale at retail. Furthermore, a project that's "on the brink" might not make it without strong backer support - just read my weekly report pinned at the top of the Design/Dev board on Kickstarter decks.
And perhaps you weren't aware or simply forgot, but funding the project now doesn't cost you a penny NOW. You don't get charged until some point within two weeks after the end of the project, usually within about 48 hours or so. If you pledge now, next week, late May, or an hour before the project closes, you're still not actually paying until sometime after the closing time. Pledging now, though, allows your pledge to help the project build more momentum - people love backing a project they know is getting made, and your pledge helps them reach that point (or if it's already there, helps it reach any overfunding goals the project's artist lays out for his supporters).
Your right Don, thanks for pointing out the payment charge. I had forgotten about being charged at a later date on kickstarter projects ( my bad ). I've backed other decks on kickstarter and haven't received any in such a long time, I guess I lost track of the hole process. Now time to go back the Grid deck.
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They added some more black eco clips at a $69 level, also includes two decks and an art print. Only 12 left. Says in the update this will be the last time they'll be available for under $100.
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They still have 23 available at the $175 level. I wonder if they will have some left over at the end.
It looks like they'll hit the level needed to make these a Bicycle deck pretty soon.
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I came home from school and checked the status of the Grid deck and saw that it is past $9,000! I will be pledging for this very soon because it wild definitely be printed by the USPCC.
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Well, this deck just reached 200% funding! Great to see that it'll be printed under USPCC, wonder it they plan on having anymore rewards for achieving further fundings.
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Looks like something off of Tron or something, but all in all I think it looks alright.
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I sent them a message asking if there was a way to get the natural finish clip along with the black finish clip I'm already getting, and they said I could either add $35 to my pledge and get the clip and another deck, or just add $30 for the clip, for anyone that's interested. You may want to contact them yourself though.
$69 level is sold out.
They added a $65 level with two decks, an uncut sheet and an art print. That's the only level that includes an uncut sheet that I see currently.
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I know this is a double post, but they've changed the design of the Joker to look like a guy riding a light cycle. You can see the blue one on the Kickstarter page.
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I'm not sure how picky USPCC will be but they might want to be careful with too closely copying a known and long-standing art concept like the light cycles. Now you and I don't care, but we aren't all copyright lawyers.
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It still has about 50 days to go, I may pledge for 3 or 4 near the 10 day mark...
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The latest backer only update is letting people vote on which joker they prefer. Unfortunately it seems like most people are picking the first joker. If anyone likes the new one and hasn't voted on it yet I think you should.
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I love the tron style of this.
I might get a deck or 3 maybe on June. Since I'm already up to my ears in expenses this month. :P
Anyway, great design. I love TRON. And this touches the nerd in me.
Welcome to the Discourse 4pm. Nice to have you here.
Best of luck with the GRID!
cheers!
Lara Krystle "Lane" Novales
http://laranovales.jux.com
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Hey everyone! New clip colors available! There not up yet but there coming soon. Let us know what you think.
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Interesting colors, but I'd really like to see a finished color eco clip before backing for any more.
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At first glance the orange clip looked too bright for me, but now I actually think it looks very nice. And of course the turquoise one is not only cute but also very sci-fi and Tron-ish.
Here are some news from 4PM Designs:
"We're still working with bicycle on getting details flushed out. The Grid will have an embossed finish. Everything else is still being worked out."
And wish 25,000$ raised, it's obvious these will soon be in our hands!
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Interesting colors, but I'd really like to see a finished color eco clip before backing for any more.
Understandable. I'll get some color samples done and shipped to me so I can share it. I want you guys to see what the colors will be like.
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This thread kind of dropped out of sight, but I saw that it says on the Kickstarter page if they hit $40,000 everyone gets a free exclusive reward, and anyone that pledged $50 or more gets bonus rewards. A month left and $7,500 to go I think it's very possible.
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If they were to reach the 40,000 mark they would be very close to beating Tendril's record of the most ever funded on Kickstarter for a deck. I don't think this will happen, but who knows?
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... but I saw that it says on the Kickstarter page if they hit $40,000 everyone gets a free exclusive reward, and anyone that pledged $50 or more gets bonus rewards.
You can't read, stop typing.
What 4PMdesigns really said:
As we begin climbing, we hope to reach a new goal of $40k. So to help, we have decided to have a limited offer for any of our backers who have pledged over the $50 mark. For those of you who are looking for an additional ECO card clip, you can add one to your current pledge at a reduced price. Prices are as follows: $21 for Natural Finish, and $25 for Grid Blue/Orange. Because of the demand, we're also offering additional Black Finish clips straight from our personal stock of less than 15. These black clips are originally intended to be kept but we will offer them to our backers. The Black Finish will be $43 which is our previous released price. Be aware, these are all an ADD ON. The item and price cannot be substituted or adjusted for your current pledge level and it's contents. The reduced price is limited and expires on Sunday the 27th. For info feel free to message us! PS. We also have a new Facebook, so check us out at www.facebook.com/4pmdesigns
Nothing is FREE, they are offering more of those bamboo clips at reduced prices.
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... but I saw that it says on the Kickstarter page if they hit $40,000 everyone gets a free exclusive reward, and anyone that pledged $50 or more gets bonus rewards.
You can't read, stop typing.
What 4PMdesigns really said:
As we begin climbing, we hope to reach a new goal of $40k. So to help, we have decided to have a limited offer for any of our backers who have pledged over the $50 mark. For those of you who are looking for an additional ECO card clip, you can add one to your current pledge at a reduced price. Prices are as follows: $21 for Natural Finish, and $25 for Grid Blue/Orange. Because of the demand, we're also offering additional Black Finish clips straight from our personal stock of less than 15. These black clips are originally intended to be kept but we will offer them to our backers. The Black Finish will be $43 which is our previous released price. Be aware, these are all an ADD ON. The item and price cannot be substituted or adjusted for your current pledge level and it's contents. The reduced price is limited and expires on Sunday the 27th. For info feel free to message us! PS. We also have a new Facebook, so check us out at www.facebook.com/4pmdesigns
Nothing is FREE, they are offering more of those bamboo clips at reduced prices.
I wasn't talking about that update. Go to the main page of the project and scroll down to the "Project Updates" bar.
If we can raise $40,000 as a special thank you to all our backers, we will be giving away FREE exclusive rewards to everyone! Including BONUS rewards for everyone that pledged over $50
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Well, I'm an asshole. It looks like I'm the one who can't read.
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Well, I'm an asshole. It looks like I'm the one who can't read.
Nice of you to admit it - we all wear the asshole hat every now and then... :))
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Damn, I wanted to hold off on pledging for anything else. No matter how hard I try to get out, they keep sucking me back in.
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Well, I'm an asshole. It looks like I'm the one who can't read.
Cool, you too :D I am very good at it. Back on topic, those clips are looking more and mor attractive. I am kind of partial to the porpers as I am not sure about the warping factor with these other clips but I think if these are getting visually stunning I will need to obtain a few.
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I WILL pledge for the GRID on my Birthday... kinda like a present to myself... (meaning I have to give up buying steven madden platforms for cards... D=) oh well. cards first before fashion for now I guess...
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I pledged for two decks before this but now i'm considering whether to raise my pledge and get a few more. the cards clips are looking very interesting...
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Hey everybody! Just an update for anyone who hasn't picked up a deck and is interested in pledging. We are down to less than 1,000 decks and have 18 days left. Anyone who has pledged already can still add decks to your pledge. Thanks to everyone who has made The Grid such a success!
4PM
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Well.. it's about to happen...
Bicycle "The Grid" is about to become the most funded deck EVER on Kickstarter !!!
Old record holder was the Tendril with $41,648 raised
As of this second, The Grid is sitting at $41,614 (12 days to go)
Congrats on all your success!!!
CBJ
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Well.. it's about to happen...
Bicycle "The Grid" is about to become the most funded deck EVER on Kickstarter !!!
Old record holder was the Tendril with $41,648 raised
As of this second, The Grid is sitting at $41,614 (12 days to go)
Congrats on all your success!!!
CBJ
That is weird to me, the tendril is so much nicer than The Grid, I honestly don't get why this deck is doing so good it isnt that nice, IMO.
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Well.. it's about to happen...
Bicycle "The Grid" is about to become the most funded deck EVER on Kickstarter !!!
Old record holder was the Tendril with $41,648 raised
As of this second, The Grid is sitting at $41,614 (12 days to go)
Congrats on all your success!!!
CBJ
That is weird to me, the tendril is so much nicer than The Grid, I honestly don't get why this deck is doing so good it isnt that nice, IMO.
I think it's because it's dramatic looking and also, without really saying it, is a "property" that many people recognize which expands its popularity. Let's face it, millions of people know what Tron is so a playing card deck based around it will be popular with lots of people beyond the collector community.
Definitely a great idea and they have worked hard to get the word out, so props to the 4PM crew. I was very surprised when Tendril went so far beyond the Vortex. To be totally honest I'm a teensy bit surprised that the Grid has gone so far. Impressive indeed and speaks to the popularity of playing cards when done well with dedication.
Congrats to them!
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I'm also very surprised. Nonetheless, I wish you and 4PM designs much luck!
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The Grid is more successful in their KS initiative because of the promotions 4PM keeps on running that enticed backers to increase their pledge amounts.
The $7 per deck promo and the add a clip promo added excitement to the project, even though there is no stretch rewards to achieve.
Tendril and Vortex had relatively passive KS runs. Tendril competitions create awareness to the KS project so there are more new backers but there is not much marketing to persuade existing backers to up their pledge amounts.
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The Grid is more successful in their KS initiative because of the promotions 4PM keeps on running that enticed backers to increase their pledge amounts.
The $7 per deck promo and the add a clip promo added excitement to the project, even though there is no stretch rewards to achieve.
Tendril and Vortex had relatively passive KS runs. Tendril competitions create awareness to the KS project so there are more new backers but there is not much marketing to persuade existing backers to up their pledge amounts.
I wouldn't say passive, really. Tendril was also doing special deals for custom Eco Clips, while Vortex has stretch goals. I think it owes a lot, as Paul said, to the fact that it has a "Tronish" appeal to people from beyond the card collecting community, who see it as something cool to have around for poker night or something like that. There's no question that many people are enamored with the design.
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I'll say this, with all those promos, people switching packages, people doing custom additions, the 4PM folks are going to have an AWESOME time keeping all that straight. <sarcasm> Kickstarter does not make things like that very easy to manage and the way they handle some of their reporting is a major pain in the booty. In fact it was such a pain for me that my next deck (which will probably not rely on kickstarter as much) will be very simply structured and really ratchet back all the customizations. If I can get away with it, I might not even use KS at all...
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Hopefully it won't be too bad for them. If they need help, I will be happy to go down by them and help them out, since we are both in NJ.
Thanks!
Mike
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Forget the clips, in the long run it's not a lot of money. Kickstarter has doubled in the past year. The combination of more clicks and people familiar with the process has helped out the fundraising. I can only imagine what my Brimstone decks would have done in this climate on Kickstarter. (I 'sold-out' 20 days into my 45 day funding and the money stopped.)
I applaud the people at 4pm, they knew the design they wanted to go for and pulled it off very well. I backed them. My only complaint is the "constipated" joker, it never sat well with me.
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With 2 hours left in the campaign, we completely SOLD OUT of The Grid! Actually sold more than expected at the last minute that I had to dip into my own personal stock. Isn't that something? I almost had to buy MY OWN set of decks from a reseller lol.
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I guess that's a good thing and a bad thing lol. Well congrats on this awesome success!
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Congrats! What I find nice is that you balanced different items in your project: while decks such as Cosmo Solano's Spectrum deck sold out of decks after reaching a 10,000 goal (and had to do another print run), yours reached 40,000+ and only sold out at the last minute. Anyways, congrats on this tremendous success. The deck looks very nice, and I can't wait to see reviews of it!