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Off Topic Chat => The Conversation Parlor => Topic started by: NathanCanadas on February 07, 2012, 06:31:16 PM
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Hi, I bought on ebay what I thought was a joe porper card clip. However, it doesn't seem like a real one. I don't know, as I haven't had one before, but all of my decks are too wide for it and stick out when placed completely in. How can I know if it is real or fake?
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Well you could start off by posting some pics.
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Good idea. I will post them soon.
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Ok, here are some pictures:
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I bought some "fake" porper style card clips in the past. But the deck fits fine. (unless it was not a REAL fake... LoL) but yeah post a photo! I've have my fair shares of fake since I lived in China for some time So yeah!
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oooookay those are terrible fakes. I have to admit. Where'd you get them?
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I got them from here. And he erased this auction right after I bought it...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Joe-Porpers-Card-Guard-Card-Clip-magic-products-magic-trick-/220934174088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3370b3f588
WOW! And that guy had a 99.9% feedback... He probably made tons of accounts to get such good feedback. Anyways, I only payed 12$/shipping, so, oh well.
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I should have expected this given the price I payed!
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that sucks dose it work like a porper clip?
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Kind of, but there is no use to bringing it in my pocket with me since the corners of the box are exposed and will be damaged!
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Well the listing has been removed. So yeah. That was such a rip off. wait le met look for the FAKE porper cardclip that I had... I hope Kensei didn't bring it to work. Hang on. Okay there you go. please don't kill me for buying a fake.
I bought this for about $20USD converted. ^_^. As you canse the deck fits just right
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Haha, at least it fits and looks ok! But the creator/seller didn't do his research well lol.
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hahaha yeah! This fake slip is fine though. Serves its purpose. LoL! They even have this in a array of colors. LoL! But yeah Deck fits. You should throw that clip of yours to the ebay seller who sold that. **sigh** that was really really terrible.
What I would give to have The Classic Clip collection of DD **cries**
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There could be one of fout explanations that I can think of for your situation. Either you bought an Ellusionist Card Clip that wouldn't hold regular Bicycle decks properly or you haven't pushed in the deck all the way (which I doubt) or you happened to buy an improperly made card clip or you just so happened to buy a make one.
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If it's not from America it's not genuine. Joe Porper creates every clip by hand and actually refuses to make clips for a set of cards until he has them to ensure that they fit perfectly. Genuine clips have a heavier density and a more matte finish for the black iodized versions. I've gotten a fake clip before and was so disappointed.
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I think the last possibility is the right one because the signature also seems off and the seller has closed his account.
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can i have a link to his ebay page? i wanna check him out and Lana do you have a link to where to get the clip I want one! just for the link
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Lol I don't think D&D even made a clip like that :P
Also, @NathanCanadas, Sometimes its just too good to be true. At least you didn't pay a ridiculous price.
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You just called me "LANA" hahahaha!!! just call my Krystle LoL! Hahahah!
uhm... there is no link though.. I bought it from an actual store back in 2010 Christmas. Here is the photo of one of the store people. and me.... old phto... hahaha I look different
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sorry Krystle! damn do they have a website or not?
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It did seem too good to be true, but I thought, hey, why not give it a try. Anyways, I can always flatten the cards out!
@Krystle - Nice fanning skills lol, and nice store! Also, how is it in China with internet censorship?
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It did seem too good to be true, but I thought, hey, why not give it a try. Anyways, I can always flatten the cards out!
@Krystle - Nice fanning skills lol, and nice store! Also, how is it in China with internet censorship?
Hahah fanning skills. LoL! took me a while though cause I'm a very lay cardist LoL! Oh Cencorship in China is like insane. hahaha but nothin proxpn (VPN) can't handle. why?
sorry Krystle! damn do they have a website or not?
I have their card but no website was posted. Well if I go to Beijing I'm pretty sure they have this in abundance I can get help you get some if you want plus I can even take photos if you want hahah!
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awesome, sound good, and nathan, do you have a link for his ebay store? i wanna check it out
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It did seem too good to be true, but I thought, hey, why not give it a try. Anyways, I can always flatten the cards out!
@Krystle - Nice fanning skills lol, and nice store! Also, how is it in China with internet censorship?
Hahah fanning skills. LoL! took me a while though cause I'm a very lay cardist LoL! Oh Cencorship in China is like insane. hahaha but nothin proxpn (VPN) can't handle. why?
sorry Krystle! damn do they have a website or not?
I have their card but no website was posted. Well if I go to Beijing I'm pretty sure they have this in abundance I can get help you get some if you want plus I can even take photos if you want hahah!
For the censorship, i was just wondering. As for the fanning, do you mean lazy instead of lay?
Oh, and also, can you also give me some info about that shop once you get to Beijing?
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For the censorship, i was just wondering. As for the fanning, do you mean lazy instead of lay?
Oh, and also, can you also give me some info about that shop once you get to Beijing?
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Yeah I meant Lazy.
Yeah I can give you info on them. hahaha well they have been there since 2007 (which was the first time i saw their shop but didn't anything about cards of magic then) They've been very solid. People there are reall nice... THEY EVEN HAVE a MINI LOUNGE with TV and everything where they'll teach you the magic stuff you've bought.
Their cards are pretty good. I haven't been ripped off yet. Price is more or less the same, but the thing is people in Beijing (specially foreign passport holders) get paid higher thus the ability to afford items is like piece of cake.
I was about to buy my V4s there when I thought it was already gone (soldout) so yeah. They have a nice array of card selection. Plus there are about 3 magic shops in that mall. So yeah I even saw a couple of metal cards there are well.
Its a really nice shop! I was able to make friends with their owner (or was it the manager) and if he is still there maybe we can work something out with regard to cards (sales what-nots).
What else would you like to know?
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What magic sets they have or what types of decks they have (small selection, ie do you know what some of the decks they have?)
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Same as above XD. Thx for taking the time to help us. Would you be able to take some pictures?
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They have all sorts of magic videos, props, equipments, both local and imports. Hmmm... as for cards... back in 2010 when I was there... let me see if I can remember.
Deck one
DDV4
Vipers
Black Tiger
Arcane Black and White
White Ghost
Black Ghost
BEE
Tally
Gold border Bicycle
Pastel decks
Guardians v2
some of the Karnival decks
Alchemist X (limited)
Cupid gold trim
Mandolin Backs
Vintage Racer back
Blades
Im not sure if I saw Heritage series
Tahoe Arrco
Zodiac
Kong Hei Fat Choi
Anne Stokes
Alchemy
Ryujin
Tragic Royalty
Red Dragon
STUD
ALADDINs 1001
Masters (idk if they still have though)
Series 2
125 Anniversary
Vintage Series
Sentinels
Gaff decks lik Ultra Gaff and Arcane Gaff etc.
ugh I can't remember... WAH!
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They have all sorts of magic videos, props, equipments, both local and imports. Hmmm... as for cards... back in 2010 when I was there... let me see if I can remember.
Deck one
DDV4
Vipers
Black Tiger
Arcane Black and White
White Ghost
Black Ghost
BEE
Tally
Gold border Bicycle
Pastel decks
Guardians v2
some of the Karnival decks
Alchemist X (limited)
Cupid gold trim
Mandolin Backs
Vintage Racer back
Blades
Im not sure if I saw Heritage series
Tahoe Arrco
Zodiac
Kong Hei Fat Choi
Anne Stokes
Alchemy
Ryujin
Tragic Royalty
Red Dragon
STUD
ALADDINs 1001
Masters (idk if they still have though)
Series 2
125 Anniversary
Vintage Series
Sentinels
Gaff decks lik Ultra Gaff and Arcane Gaff etc.
ugh I can't remember... WAH!
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Well, if they still have Arrco Tahoes, put me down for some! I recall there were two color patterns, and I'd love two of each, if possible! We'll work it into the Beijing Olympic deck deal we have coming up.
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They have all sorts of magic videos, props, equipments, both local and imports. Hmmm... as for cards... back in 2010 when I was there... let me see if I can remember.
Deck one
DDV4
Vipers
Black Tiger
Arcane Black and White
White Ghost
Black Ghost
BEE
Tally
Gold border Bicycle
Pastel decks
Guardians v2
some of the Karnival decks
Alchemist X (limited)
Cupid gold trim
Mandolin Backs
Vintage Racer back
Blades
Im not sure if I saw Heritage series
Tahoe Arrco
Zodiac
Kong Hei Fat Choi
Anne Stokes
Alchemy
Ryujin
Tragic Royalty
Red Dragon
STUD
ALADDINs 1001
Masters (idk if they still have though)
Series 2
125 Anniversary
Vintage Series
Sentinels
Gaff decks lik Ultra Gaff and Arcane Gaff etc.
ugh I can't remember... WAH!
That's it?
No, I'm just kidding, love being sarcastic. Maybe its part of being a teen. Oh, and also always making jokes. You know. BTW, ethx for making the list! I will see wat I would like!
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If I'm not mistaken, is this the 魔術8000?
They've got a wide variety of cards, props, and DVD's. Pretty much everything you want, they have. Though some times the price may be a little steep, seeing they have to import most of the stuff from the States and the shipping cost isn't friendly.
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If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I always check the seller ratings, feedback, and if he made any accounts besides that one to see if the seller is reputable and legitimate. And like Alex Chin said, if it's not made in America, it's not genuine, unless the product originated in a particular country or it was intentionally outsourced by the company.
If you're ever thinking about getting into the retail business, make sure you buy the right wholesale goods from the right people. There are many wholesalers based in China that sell counterfeit merchandise, especially electronics. The only legitimate products that you can buy are generic goods, not name brand crap.
I've seen quite a few ebay sellers unknowingly buy fake merchandise, sell it, receive many emails from very angry customers, and have their account shut down for selling counterfeit goods. The Federal Trade Commission won't repay you back for the money lost, and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement will come knocking at your door if you import enough fake goods from China. Take everything with a grain of salt and be smart, that's all.
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I think I saw that fake D&D card clip before... and yes it was from china and I was really tempted though... okay did a search but couldnt find the ebay seller, probably took down the items.. here's a similar link though
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCs-Alloy-Metal-Playing-Card-Clips-Guard-Fashion-Style-/150518444830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230b99331e
for coloured 'fake' card clips.. I asked on their website about the quality etc and here's their reply
Hello my friend,
Thank you for your interesting!
I "What are the difference between the card clips (1PCs Alloy Metal Playing
Card Clips Guard Fashion Style, 1PCs Joe Porper Metal Playing Card Clips 5
Colors for Choice and 1PCs Joe Porper Metal Playing Card Clips Black) you
have for sale?"
You can see the picture on our website that you will know the difference
between them. The configuration is different but material is same.
"Are they all manafuctured by Joe Proper?"
They are made in China.
"I don't see the different coloured card clips being sold in the market and
the price of the 'Signed' card clip was a few times more expensive in other
shops"
I think you can't see a part of card clip in your country because these
made in China and they are found in China only.
Happy a great New Year! Please feel free to contact me if you have any
questions. I will try my best to help you.
Yours,
David
hope that helps in any way.. :)
beware of fake card clips!!! >:( >:( >:(
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These are the ones i found: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Joe-Porpers-Card-Guard-Card-Clip-magic-products-magic-trick-/320845604502?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab3e36696#ht_500wt_1287
fake magic tricks and cheap clips, check out his negative ratings
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@Brandon Beckman - I had check all that you said, and, although I knew the risks of his products being counterfeits, I also knew that they would most likely be worth the 10$ I was paying. And I was right.
Although those are fakes, they may and are probably worth what you are paying though. 4 clips for 20$, how bad can that really be? At worse, they will protect your cards a bit or protect them from warping!
I just realized that my fake porper clip actually has a signature by "Joseph Porper" and not "Joe Porper" LOL
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I think I saw that fake D&D card clip before... and yes it was from china and I was really tempted though... okay did a search but couldnt find the ebay seller, probably took down the items.. here's a similar link though
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCs-Alloy-Metal-Playing-Card-Clips-Guard-Fashion-Style-/150518444830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230b99331e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCs-Alloy-Metal-Playing-Card-Clips-Guard-Fashion-Style-/150518444830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230b99331e)
for coloured 'fake' card clips.. I asked on their website about the quality etc and here's their reply
Hello my friend,
Thank you for your interesting!
I "What are the difference between the card clips (1PCs Alloy Metal Playing
Card Clips Guard Fashion Style, 1PCs Joe Porper Metal Playing Card Clips 5
Colors for Choice and 1PCs Joe Porper Metal Playing Card Clips Black) you
have for sale?"
You can see the picture on our website that you will know the difference
between them. The configuration is different but material is same.
"Are they all manafuctured by Joe Proper?"
They are made in China.
"I don't see the different coloured card clips being sold in the market and
the price of the 'Signed' card clip was a few times more expensive in other
shops"
I think you can't see a part of card clip in your country because these
made in China and they are found in China only.
Happy a great New Year! Please feel free to contact me if you have any
questions. I will try my best to help you.
Yours,
David
hope that helps in any way.. :)
beware of fake card clips!!! >:( >:( >:(
Actually, these aren't fake in any way. There's no Joe Porper signature on them, Joe Porper's name appears nowhere in the ad and the seller is totally up front about the fact that they're made in China. They're deck clips, just not major-name-brand totally-expensive deck clips.
If I buy a deck clip from So-and-So's Magic Shop that bears only a slight similarity to the Porper Clip, doesn't mention Porper in any way and Mr. So-and-So is completely up front about the fact that they aren't made by Porper, how would that deck clip be thought of as any more or less fake than a Porper Clip.
Porper does NOT own the monopoly on card clips, because there is no monopoly. He owns a patent for a unique design, but that design isn't adequately imitated here. These are probably no different at all from generic clips sold in magic shops all over the country.
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I think I saw that fake D&D card clip before... and yes it was from china and I was really tempted though... okay did a search but couldnt find the ebay seller, probably took down the items.. here's a similar link though
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCs-Alloy-Metal-Playing-Card-Clips-Guard-Fashion-Style-/150518444830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230b99331e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCs-Alloy-Metal-Playing-Card-Clips-Guard-Fashion-Style-/150518444830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230b99331e)
for coloured 'fake' card clips.. I asked on their website about the quality etc and here's their reply
Hello my friend,
Thank you for your interesting!
I "What are the difference between the card clips (1PCs Alloy Metal Playing
Card Clips Guard Fashion Style, 1PCs Joe Porper Metal Playing Card Clips 5
Colors for Choice and 1PCs Joe Porper Metal Playing Card Clips Black) you
have for sale?"
You can see the picture on our website that you will know the difference
between them. The configuration is different but material is same.
"Are they all manafuctured by Joe Proper?"
They are made in China.
"I don't see the different coloured card clips being sold in the market and
the price of the 'Signed' card clip was a few times more expensive in other
shops"
I think you can't see a part of card clip in your country because these
made in China and they are found in China only.
Happy a great New Year! Please feel free to contact me if you have any
questions. I will try my best to help you.
Yours,
David
hope that helps in any way.. :)
beware of fake card clips!!! >:( >:( >:(
Actually, these aren't fake in any way. There's no Joe Porper signature on them, Joe Porper's name appears nowhere in the ad and the seller is totally up front about the fact that they're made in China. They're deck clips, just not major-name-brand totally-expensive deck clips.
If I buy a deck clip from So-and-So's Magic Shop that bears only a slight similarity to the Porper Clip, doesn't mention Porper in any way and Mr. So-and-So is completely up front about the fact that they aren't made by Porper, how would that deck clip be thought of as any more or less fake than a Porper Clip.
Porper does NOT own the monopoly on card clips, because there is no monopoly. He owns a patent for a unique design, but that design isn't adequately imitated here. These are probably no different at all from generic clips sold in magic shops all over the country.
Sorry, the email was to inquire about these two products not the one for the ebay link.. but the website that wells these two also sells the one on the ebay link.
Ebay link and similar one
http://www.approachchina.com/1pcs-alloy-metal-playing-card-clips-guard-fashion-style-p-419.html (http://www.approachchina.com/1pcs-alloy-metal-playing-card-clips-guard-fashion-style-p-419.html)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCs-Alloy-Metal-Playing-Card-Clips-Guard-Fashion-Style-/150518444830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230b99331e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCs-Alloy-Metal-Playing-Card-Clips-Guard-Fashion-Style-/150518444830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230b99331e)
Acclaimed Porper Clip
http://www.approachchina.com/1pcs-joe-porper-metal-playing-card-clips-black-p-529.html (http://www.approachchina.com/1pcs-joe-porper-metal-playing-card-clips-black-p-529.html)
http://www.approachchina.com/1pcs-joe-porper-metal-playing-card-clips-5-colors-for-choice-p-614.html (http://www.approachchina.com/1pcs-joe-porper-metal-playing-card-clips-5-colors-for-choice-p-614.html)
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Now the latter two of those may well be forgeries - certainly the last one.
@Brandon Beckman - I had check all that you said, and, although I knew the risks of his products being counterfeits, I also knew that they would most likely be worth the 10$ I was paying. And I was right.
Although those are fakes, they may and are probably worth what you are paying though. 4 clips for 20$, how bad can that really be? At worse, they will protect your cards a bit or protect them from warping!
I just realized that my fake porper clip actually has a signature by "Joseph Porper" and not "Joe Porper" LOL
Nathan, I have a legit clip bought straight from Ellusionist. It ALSO says "Joseph Porper" in the signature. If it said "Joe Porper" instead, then you'd have a telltale sign it's a true forgery!
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@Don - haha, thx for telling me that. Anyways, my box doesn't get too damaged when the deck is in this clip.
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@Brandon Beckman - I had check all that you said, and, although I knew the risks of his products being counterfeits, I also knew that they would most likely be worth the 10$ I was paying. And I was right.
Although those are fakes, they may and are probably worth what you are paying though. 4 clips for 20$, how bad can that really be? At worse, they will protect your cards a bit or protect them from warping!
I just realized that my fake porper clip actually has a signature by "Joseph Porper" and not "Joe Porper" LOL
I understand that, and I'm glad you are happy with what you got. I'm just saying if you buy from a counterfeit seller again, you may not be so lucky the 2nd time...
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@Brandon Beckman - I had check all that you said, and, although I knew the risks of his products being counterfeits, I also knew that they would most likely be worth the 10$ I was paying. And I was right.
Although those are fakes, they may and are probably worth what you are paying though. 4 clips for 20$, how bad can that really be? At worse, they will protect your cards a bit or protect them from warping!
I just realized that my fake porper clip actually has a signature by "Joseph Porper" and not "Joe Porper" LOL
I understand that, and I'm glad you are happy with what you got. I'm just saying if you buy from a counterfeit seller again, you may not be so lucky the 2nd time...
I agree wholeheartedly on this point. More often than not, counterfeits are made out of cheaper materials and won't last as long - if at all. When buying counterfeit merchandise, it's less like "Buy It Now" and more like "Roll the Dice & Try Your Luck!" If you go into the deal knowing it's for counterfeit merchandise, know also that there's a chance that you're the one who's getting clipped and not your deck...
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@Brandon Beckman - I had check all that you said, and, although I knew the risks of his products being counterfeits, I also knew that they would most likely be worth the 10$ I was paying. And I was right.
Although those are fakes, they may and are probably worth what you are paying though. 4 clips for 20$, how bad can that really be? At worse, they will protect your cards a bit or protect them from warping!
I just realized that my fake porper clip actually has a signature by "Joseph Porper" and not "Joe Porper" LOL
I understand that, and I'm glad you are happy with what you got. I'm just saying if you buy from a counterfeit seller again, you may not be so lucky the 2nd time...
I agree wholeheartedly on this point. More often than not, counterfeits are made out of cheaper materials and won't last as long - if at all. When buying counterfeit merchandise, it's less like "Buy It Now" and more like "Roll the Dice & Try Your Luck!" If you go into the deal knowing it's for counterfeit merchandise, know also that there's a chance that you're the one who's getting clipped and not your deck...
I totally understand what you guyz mean! Thx for the advice!
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If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I always check the seller ratings, feedback, and if he made any accounts besides that one to see if the seller is reputable and legitimate. And like Alex Chin said, if it's not made in America, it's not genuine, unless the product originated in a particular country or it was intentionally outsourced by the company.
Apple is made in China. It's that enough genuine for you? Nikon, Canon is made in China...not the pro gear, which is made in Japan or Thailand. A lot of things are made in China. Without China we'll pay more than ever for a small things. Let's say for an iPad you'll pay 40% more if this tablet is made in US. Same quality. And I didn't mention the fact that European people pay more for this stuff, shipping also. China is another world and a second Terra. A worker in China is paid with so less that they can't afford a iPad with salary on a month.
@Brandon Beckman - I had check all that you said, and, although I knew the risks of his products being counterfeits, I also knew that they would most likely be worth the 10$ I was paying. And I was right.
Although those are fakes, they may and are probably worth what you are paying though. 4 clips for 20$, how bad can that really be? At worse, they will protect your cards a bit or protect them from warping!
I just realized that my fake porper clip actually has a signature by "Joseph Porper" and not "Joe Porper" LOL
I understand that, and I'm glad you are happy with what you got. I'm just saying if you buy from a counterfeit seller again, you may not be so lucky the 2nd time...
I agree wholeheartedly on this point. More often than not, counterfeits are made out of cheaper materials and won't last as long - if at all. When buying counterfeit merchandise, it's less like "Buy It Now" and more like "Roll the Dice & Try Your Luck!" If you go into the deal knowing it's for counterfeit merchandise, know also that there's a chance that you're the one who's getting clipped and not your deck...
I saw a cheap China proper (Joe Proper fake signed) and I have only one genuine from The Blue Crown, the white one. Let me tell you that are the same. I will order one Arcane JP clip from E and one from China and I will tell you if is there any differences.
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I saw a cheap China proper (Joe Proper fake signed) and I have only one genuine from The Blue Crown, the white one. Let me tell you that are the same. I will order one Arcane JP clip from E and one from China and I will tell you if is there any differences.
A genuine Porper is carved from a solid block of aluminum. Can you say the same about the knock-off?
There's also a difference with some Porpers from E. Many of their older decks were significantly thicker, to the point that they started offering Porpers in two sizes, "standard" and "Ellusionist". E was the only seller of the E-sized clips, as you might expect. The older Arcane clips with the cut-out for the logo were E-sized.
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If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I always check the seller ratings, feedback, and if he made any accounts besides that one to see if the seller is reputable and legitimate. And like Alex Chin said, if it's not made in America, it's not genuine, unless the product originated in a particular country or it was intentionally outsourced by the company.
Apple is made in China. It's that enough genuine for you? Nikon, Canon is made in China...not the pro gear, which is made in Japan or Thailand. A lot of things are made in China. Without China we'll pay more than ever for a small things. Let's say for an iPad you'll pay 40% more if this tablet is made in US. Same quality. And I didn't mention the fact that European people pay more for this stuff, shipping also. China is another world and a second Terra. A worker in China is paid with so less that they can't afford a iPad with salary on a month.
That's true. I never disagreed with what you said, though. I said unless it is outsourced by the company. The example of Apple outsourcing capital from China is also an example of one of the exceptions I have listed. Nonetheless, I agree with what you're saying.