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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: Siegismyname on December 28, 2011, 05:29:37 AM
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From what I know, this is a first run black tiger(white pip) deck from Ellusionist which does not have a barcode nor a barcode reveal. This deck is also air cushion finish, before the UV 500 finish existed. Can anyone confirm?
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I want to say yes because I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that the barcode reveal wasn't applied until later. I'm not sure about the finish though.
If it is that's a pretty nifty addition to any collection!! Nice find :)
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Thx. Those are mine actually. I was thinking of selling or trading them :)
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Oh very cool!! It looks like you have some nice decks in your collection (just what I can see from the pictures). I'm sure there are many collectors that would love to buy/trade for that deck!
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I think the best way to know the answer to that for sure would be to check with Ellusionist. As far as I know - and that's not all that far - the Black Tigers were UV500 to start with and didn't get "Air Cushioned" until later. Only E can give you the truly definitive answer.
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They must be one of the first runs.
They're from Cincinnati, they say Air- Cushion, and theres no barcode!
The Black Tiger white pips are out of print which means, the only time the box said Air Cushion, was one of the first runs.
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i was actually hoping one of the E reps would come here to verify. How much do you think this would cost?
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i saw a white ghost deck just like the same as your no barcode and is air-cunshion finish but i doubt that anyone will want to buy it expect for collecter
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Since its not a popular deck for collectors because not many people have them sealed and it wasnt meant to be a limited deck, its hard to put a price on it. So it all comes down to opinion. In my opinion, its worth about $30
But thats just my opinion
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Since its not a popular deck for collectors because not many people have them sealed and it wasnt meant to be a limited deck, its hard to put a price on it. So it all comes down to opinion. In my opinion, its worth about $30
But thats just my opinion
I think you'd have a tough time getting that much in US dollars. I wouldn't put it at much higher than current retail.
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:P I change my opinion to $20
After thinking about it, I'd spend around that price on it
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This was well before my time and I'm not a human (well, half human half cyborg) encyclopedia like Jake, so take it for what it is but I do believe that the deck in the pictures are in fact from the very first run. No barcode, and the fact that it says 'Black Deck Tigers' on the bottom of the box points towards this.
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Thx Marcus(u share the same name as my brother btw). At least I can lie to myself that I own some first edition deck from E just like the BG1E. And it is discontinued :) how cool is that. A piece of playing card history.
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Hang on to it. A first print run deck like that will have value when the decks from all print runs are more scarce.
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That is an early deck, but it is not the very 1st edition. The first Tiger Decks (all white, the red version did not start until the 2nd ed, when they also introduced the UV) say "Poker 808" on the bottom flap. The "Poker 808-" indicates that it is a 2nd edition deck.
The red decks do not have the hyphen, because there was no "technically" first edition red-pipped.
Still an early one, but not from the very first printing.
Inside, I'm sure you have gaff cards instead of ad cards. The first several printings of Tigers (red and white) came with gaffs instead of ads, which was a nice bonus.
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Seriously? There are gaffs inside? Mine is still sealed so I do not know. This gets more exciting with every reply. I hope brad christian comes here and clarify.
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I wouldn't hold my breath on that - but you could try contacting E's customer service. You want good intel, you go to the source, right?
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Watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCGP4g1Cfc&feature=plcp&context=C348732dUAOEgsToPDskLRkJuP_Vtf7OgSDTYnP-WX
Skip to 5:15
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After watching the vid it seems like my deck would include the gaff card. Which would be awesome. Thx for the info.
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Tat is 100% certain that is is a 1st ed. the hypen indicates that and since it is wite pips.
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Tat is 100% certain that is is a 1st ed. the hypen indicates that and since it is wite pips.
sadly i think they are second edition. :( but in the video they say that the 1st edition handles terribly. the hyphen indicates a second edition. first edition has only poker 808.
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Watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCGP4g1Cfc&feature=plcp&context=C348732dUAOEgsToPDskLRkJuP_Vtf7OgSDTYnP-WX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCGP4g1Cfc&feature=plcp&context=C348732dUAOEgsToPDskLRkJuP_Vtf7OgSDTYnP-WX)
Skip to 5:15
OMG, I've got the 1st run of these!
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I have a couple of these decks (white and red pips) sitting around, all opened.
First: yes, the Air cushion makes the cards handle like crap.
Second: I don't think this was mentioned in the video, but there are two gaffs in the original Black Tigers, the white 3 of Clubs, as well as a "slanted" Ace of Spades. However, because I removed the gaff/ad cards when I got them (oh so long ago), I can't tell if each Tiger deck came with both gaffs or one or the other. As in, white pips has the white 3, red pips has the slanted Ace, etc....
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The white pips I got long time ago has white 3 of clubs.
The red pips I got recently has nothing but ad card.
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Hmm, so where did the other gaff come from?
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Regarding the gaffs, and I will need to double-check a few decks sometime soon.
The first run (5k decks, originally sold in April 2004, sold out in just a few days, white-pipped only) came with a duplicate queen, and possibly the white-faced 3. I know they had the dupe card.
The early-run 2nd edition decks (white-pipped, and introduction of red-pipped and UV sensitivity) came with the white-face 3 and the tilted Ace of Spades.
If you have a red-pipped deck, it is not a first edition, as it was only available starting with the 2nd edition. Depending on if it was early or not, it may have gaffs or ad cards.
If you have a UV-sensitive white-pipped deck (may not say UV on the box) it is also 2nd edition.
If I have the time, I will post some pics and/or videos that detail the differences between decks so folks can determine what they have a little more easily.
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I double cheched my deck, and realise I got 2nd run or after, not the first one.
I got the white 3 of clubs, with no tilt ace of spade.
I'm not sure where the tilted ace of spade came from.
Possibly the early 2nd run has both ace and 3 gaff.
And might be that 3r or 4th run has only the white 3 gaff.
I don't know about the red pips, cause I got only the most recent run.
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I can't see the seal color of this deck. Can you tell me if it is red?
I have four different versions of Black Tiger decks(just boxes or seal, all unopened) (all Ohio made)
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I can't see the seal color of this deck. Can you tell me if it is red?
I have four different versions of Black Tiger decks(just boxes or seal, all unopened) (all Ohio made)
Can't see it? Where are you looking?
The red/white pipped decks came with red seals, not the all-white pipped ones. Those (if I remember correctly) were black.
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I can't see the seal color of this deck. Can you tell me if it is red?
I have four different versions of Black Tiger decks(just boxes or seal, all unopened) (all Ohio made)
I just checked on the deck I posted. It has a red seal and all the black tiger decks I have owned, be it white or red pip, UV-500 or air cushion, all of them have red seal. Hope it helps.
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I can't see the seal color of this deck. Can you tell me if it is red?
I have four different versions of Black Tiger decks(just boxes or seal, all unopened) (all Ohio made)
Can't see it? Where are you looking?
The red/white pipped decks came with red seals, not the all-white pipped ones. Those (if I remember correctly) were black.
Well, I was looking at the photos in the thread and I can't see the seal on any of them, that's why I asked.
all my red/white lipped decks have red seals but I have one white pipes deck with red seal.
Summarizing, I have (ALL FROM OHIO)
- White pips no barcode Air Cushion red seal
- White pips barcode (no reveal) UV500 red seal
- White pips barcode reveal UV500 red seal
- White pips barcode reveal UV500 black seal
- Red pups barcode reveal UV500 red seal
Just in case it helps. if you need photos, I can try to scan them when at home...
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These are pics of the first Black Tiger deck ever released by Ellusionist... I have a beat up open one if you need to know what's inside... I wouldn't take less than $100, given what's going on with collecting these days (not selling this one though)... This is the deck that got me started... The concept of printing a unique deck of USPCC was so revolutionary and exciting... I don't believe anything like this had been done before... I think this was the deck that started it all... I remember waiting for the release date and you could keep on buying them for weeks... No one was collecting cards like they are nowadays (look at me sounding like an old timer)...
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yes, I think this is the first one in my list...
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http://ramblerkudos.wordpress.com/category/playing-cards/bicycle/page/2/
how about this?? red pip with no barcode ... is this first edition??
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http://ramblerkudos.wordpress.com/category/playing-cards/bicycle/page/2/
how about this?? red pip with no barcode ... is this first edition??
wow! I haven't that! :)
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so the white pips Black tiger have how many version ??? 1 "Air-Cushion" + "Poker 808", 1 "Air Cushion" "Poker 808-" and the "UV500" with gaff barcode, anything else ??? so surprise when know that so many run of Black Tiger, thought only Viper have those situation
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so the white pips Black tiger have how many version ??? 1 "Air-Cushion" + "Poker 808", 1 "Air Cushion" "Poker 808-" and the "UV500" with gaff barcode, anything else ??? so surprise when know that so many run of Black Tiger, thought only Viper have those situation
That's pretty much it, since E discontinued the white-pip version of Black Tiger. New white/red-pip Black Tigers are probably Performance Coating.
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Hey all,
First post here. Love that I found a bunch of card nerds like me =)
So I have a bunch of what I believe are 2nd run BT's. They are:
1. Red curlicues, no barcode, say "AIR CUSHION"
2. White curlicues, no barcode, say "AIR CUSHION"
They're not first runs, because the white 808 has the dash (808-), and because red.
But, they don't say performance coating, but say air-cushion, but aren't barcode...so, are these UV500?
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Hey all,
First post here. Love that I found a bunch of card nerds like me =)
So I have a bunch of what I believe are 2nd run BT's. They are:
1. Red curlicues, no barcode, say "AIR CUSHION"
2. White curlicues, no barcode, say "AIR CUSHION"
They're not first runs, because the white 808 has the dash (808-), and because red.
But, they don't say performance coating, but say air-cushion, but aren't barcode...so, are these UV500?
I'm pretty sure that if they say "Air Cushion" as the finish instead of UV500, they're Air Cushion, not UV500. But I could be mistaken, so don't take this like the word of the gods or anything like that. The oldest ones, as far as I know, said "UV500 Air Flow Finish" on the side, meaning they had the UV500 stock.
The red or white curlicues indicate which version of the deck you have - there used to be two versions, a version with all-white pips everywhere and all white line art (white curlicues) and a version where the red suits had red pips and indices but everything else is white (red curlicues). Today, the all-white version is discontinued, just as the silver/red version of the Tally Ho Viper deck (Original Circle Back) was discontinued in favor of the all-silver edition (Original Fan Back). They said in both cases it was simply a matter of which deck's version was selling better.