You are Here:
Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...

Author (Read 3482 times)

Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« on: February 16, 2012, 02:49:38 PM »
 

jmrock

  • 52 Plus Joker Member
  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 650
    Posts
  • Reputation: 29
I wanted to share with you two very special decks that are sharing the spotlight because of their finishes... The 1955 - 1965 Bee Deck has a Smooth Finish... The 1940 - 1955 Bicycle has a High Finish... Both of these, to my knowledge, are Extremely Rare... I have never seen them before and I'm very excited to add them to my collection... Enjoy...
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 02:54:13 PM »
 

hazofhorsham

  • Discourse Veteran
  • *
  • 274
    Posts
  • Reputation: 18
Wow I didnt even know these existed :L
Some Men just want to watch the world burn.
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 02:58:27 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
hahaha... very interesting :P :P
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 03:23:58 PM »
 

dmbaggs

  • Jack of Diamonds
  • *
  • 1,697
    Posts
  • Reputation: 55

  • Twitter:
What!  ??? That's really interesting! I would love to feel those Bees. As far as the bikes go, I'm drawing a blank on "high finish"...
Most Recent Addition | White Lions | A. Bandit
Decks I Want | English Laundry | Bape x Bicycle Deck | Absolut Deck
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 03:30:55 PM »
 

Evan

  • I AM EVAAAAN!
  • Ace of Spades
  • *
  • 3,754
    Posts
  • Reputation: 74

  • Facebook:

  • Twitter:

  • YouTube:
Wow! Where did you get those?
They look really old with stamp thing on the back. And I've never heard of High Finish. You are very lucky to have those!
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 04:19:36 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
I've never heard of High Finish.

Maybe you are too young.
 
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 04:40:05 PM »
 

Frost

  • Discourse Royalty
  • *
  • 437
    Posts
  • Reputation: 1
i have never heard of a bicycle having a high finish that is really interesting.
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 04:59:21 PM »
 

MrLukeCarroll

  • Discourse Veteran
  • *
  • 311
    Posts
  • Reputation: 33

  • Facebook:
Hmm wow, deffinetly seems like two really interesting additions to your collection!
Mystery is the basic appeal of magic. Once the secrets are known, the magician becomes a mere manipulator, an actor in a suspense drama which has little impact because the audience knows the ending in advance.
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 05:17:10 PM »
 

Lushbob

  • Discourse Royalty
  • *
  • 466
    Posts
  • Reputation: 20

  • DeviantArt:

  • Facebook:

  • Skype:

  • Tumblr:

  • Twitter:

  • YouTube:
Ah, how I wish I had as many interesting vintage decks as you!
It's really interesting to see a regular Bicycle deck with High Finish. Or really, anything other than Air-Cushion. Any information on the finish itself, and why the change to Air-Cushion? Or are they two different names for the same thing?
Certainly a few nice finds!
"What have future generations ever done for us?" - Groucho Marx
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 06:19:09 PM »
 

xZEROx

  • Frequent Flyer
  • *
  • 892
    Posts
  • Reputation: 32
Hmmm I haven't seen any Bicycle decks with High Finish, or maybe just I never really paid attention to it. Would there be any Bicycle decks with Linen Finish?
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 06:50:08 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
Hmmm I haven't seen any Bicycle decks with High Finish, or maybe just I never really paid attention to it. Would there be any Bicycle decks with Linen Finish?
Maybe someday we will see one. I often tell my fellow collectors here: USPC is a company without principles. As long as you pay, you can reprint any of their classic decks with the same designs and names, you may also have "MADE BY OOXX Company" printed on the boxes if you are happy with that. ::)
 
As long as you pay, they may print "Smooth-High-Linen Finish" on the box for you.
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 09:05:49 PM »
 

phantom1412

  • Jack of Diamonds
  • *
  • 1,887
    Posts
  • Reputation: 78

  • Facebook:

  • Twitter:
Then is it possible to reprint the Jerry's?
With new air cushion finish.
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 09:39:19 PM »
 

Curt


  • 52 Plus Joker Member
  • Frequent Flyer
  • *
  • 780
    Posts
  • Reputation: 74

  • Facebook:
Then is it possible to reprint the Jerry's?
With new air cushion finish.

Someone would need to get the rights for the design before USPC would be allowed to print the deck. But it would be kind of cool to have some "New" Jerry's


Jonathan, you have some of the coolest decks in you collection. I am jealous :p
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 09:40:47 PM by Curt »
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 10:58:45 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
Then is it possible to reprint the Jerry's?
With new air cushion finish.

Someone would need to get the rights for the design before USPC would be allowed to print the deck. But it would be kind of cool to have some "New" Jerry's

Jonathan, you have some of the coolest decks in you collection. I am jealous :p
Yes, the rights for the design is not owned by USPC. I have seen reprints of Arrco Tahoes, Arrco US Reg., New Fan Back, Big Gun, Aristocrat 727, Aladdin Dome Back,... ???
 
Curl, you can not say that to him, he will feel conceited. I have a feeling he will show another increditable deck one week later in this thread... ;D
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 11:02:23 PM »
 

dmbaggs

  • Jack of Diamonds
  • *
  • 1,697
    Posts
  • Reputation: 55

  • Twitter:
Then is it possible to reprint the Jerry's?
With new air cushion finish.

Someone would need to get the rights for the design before USPC would be allowed to print the deck. But it would be kind of cool to have some "New" Jerry's


Jonathan, you have some of the coolest decks in you collection. I am jealous :p

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing some "new" jerry's either. Not the fake crappy ones but some good quality ones. That would be pretty cool. I wonder what the next big reprint is going to be, we've already had so many.
Most Recent Addition | White Lions | A. Bandit
Decks I Want | English Laundry | Bape x Bicycle Deck | Absolut Deck
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 11:08:55 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
@brown_bagg, JN without the original stock and finish/coating, it is simply an ugly deck.
 
I like and collect '60-80s decks not sole because of their age (they are not old enough if compared with those tax stamp era decks), but also for their special handling. It is impossible for USPC to reproduce those decks (and handling).
 
_
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 11:56:52 PM by digipunk »
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2012, 11:16:05 PM »
 

dmbaggs

  • Jack of Diamonds
  • *
  • 1,697
    Posts
  • Reputation: 55

  • Twitter:
@brown_bagg, JN without the original stock and finish/coating, it is simply an ugly deck.
 
I like and collect '60-80s decks not sole because of their age (they are not old enough if compared with those tax stamp era decks), but also for their special handling. It is impossible for USPC to reproduced those decks (and handling).
 
_

That's an opinion. I've had this conversation on here many months ago, but I'll say it again. I really like the design of the JN decks. They are simple and they don't look cheesy for a deck promoting a casino. Sure they aren't anything like the Seasons decks or the Inifitys or many other decks, but I've always been a huge fan of how they look.
Most Recent Addition | White Lions | A. Bandit
Decks I Want | English Laundry | Bape x Bicycle Deck | Absolut Deck
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 11:50:55 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
@brown_bagg, I see (actually I don't really think they are ugly). If you like the style, you might also like Dunes: http://web.archive.org/web/20061106194611/http://www.nls.physics.ucsb.edu/~nathanb/cards/du.html
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 03:58:39 AM »
 

dmbaggs

  • Jack of Diamonds
  • *
  • 1,697
    Posts
  • Reputation: 55

  • Twitter:
Yeah those aren't bad. Typically I'm not a fan of casino decks, but the JN decks are an exception. They are very simplistic in nature and for some reason I really like that. The dunes deck also looks pretty nice. Not sure what it is about these decks that strikes me the way it does, but hey it's not a bad thing right?  ;)
Most Recent Addition | White Lions | A. Bandit
Decks I Want | English Laundry | Bape x Bicycle Deck | Absolut Deck
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2012, 04:18:10 AM »
 

Jin Jian

  • Haven Citizen
  • *
  • 1,276
    Posts
  • Reputation: 27
nice high finish never knew those exist .. how do they feel like ?
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2012, 04:28:14 AM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
Yeah those aren't bad. Typically I'm not a fan of casino decks, but the JN decks are an exception. They are very simplistic in nature and for some reason I really like that. The dunes deck also looks pretty nice. Not sure what it is about these decks that strikes me the way it does, but hey it's not a bad thing right?  ;)
"The cards are similar to Golden Nuggets and Jerry's Nuggets in terms of quality. They are very stiff, but seem to hold up well. The faces are similar to modern Bicycle faces." If Jason England said so, we can not deny it.
 
Dunes is also Casino cards. It has the same era, design, quality, and handling as Jerry's Nugget. However, if I say they are not bad, that's because the special handling instead of the design (well, maybe a little).
 
'60-80s is very special, there were many excellent decks, as well as many excellent magicians in the period of time. Prior to '60s, decks are collectible for their age/history, but all of them are poor for handling. After '80s, I don't think there are many decks worth collecting, especially in '90s.
_
« Last Edit: February 17, 2012, 04:39:05 AM by digipunk »
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2012, 01:17:46 PM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
I may not like the Jerry's Nugget derricks or the Dunes "phalluses", but I can't argue about the quality of the cards that were produced in the era from the 1960s into the early 1980s.  Before then, card companies lacked the quality of stock and finish technology.  After then, card companies cared far more about profit than they did about quality and the manufacturing processes developed then emphasized that.


However, I feel that there are advances taking place today that will surpass the quality of even the coveted Jerry's Nugget decks.  Look at something like the Tendril deck - have you ever seen anything like that produced during any time period before?  Magic Finish was something out of a fever dream back then.  Photoshop?  That's where they bought Kodak film, sent negatives for one-week processing and got pictures framed...


I'm simply saying don't write off today's designs just yet.  For every hundred Trace decks, there are some quality productions out there.  Today's Vortex and Tendril will become tomorrow's vintage.
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2012, 03:01:02 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
@Don, I said "special handling", not "best handling" ;)
 
I like modern decks and I often buy bricks of the decks I like (black Stingers, Charity: Water, Wynn, Tahoe reprints, ...). They are cheap and good for handling. But the decks produced in '60-80s have special handling that can not be reproduced anymore.
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2012, 08:01:42 PM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
@Don, I said "special handling", not "best handling" ;)
 
I like modern decks and I often buy bricks of the decks I like (black Stingers, Charity: Water, Wynn, Tahoe reprints, ...). They are cheap and good for handling. But the decks produced in '60-80s have special handling that can not be reproduced anymore.


It was this part of your previous comment that led me to think otherwise:


After '80s, I don't think there are many decks worth collecting, especially in '90s.



Sure the old methods can't be reproduced.  But given time, I think some modern decks will indeed be highly collectible, and not just because they have a big "DD" on the back of them.  The big issue is whether USPC gets off their butts and takes a cue from the designers hiring them to make their most unique products.  They need to lead innovation rather than be led by it, and aside from Magic Finish, they're doing more of the following.
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2012, 09:55:34 PM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
@Don, I knew I could not express it correctly. I said "not worth collecting", but it doesn't mean "not worth to own them".
 
Collecting, in my language, has slightly different definition. We should spend time (to search, reserach) and efforts (maybe negociate with the former owner) to get an item, it is called "collecting" in my language. If I sit in front of the computer, hit the keyboard, and get an item after 2 days, it is called buying.
 
It is still true to say there were not many decks produced in '90s worth collecting except: Holiday/Santa Backs, 1996 Olympics, '92 and '95 Tall Stacks. What else? As for decks produced after 2000, some of them are wonderful, but it is not diffilcult to get those decks. I have many of these decks, I just paid and got them. I don't say I "collect" them.
 
This might be off topic. I like many modern decks, they are beautiful and have good quality. However, I only buy those I like instead of all decks produced in these years. I've seen many so called collectors buy every newly released deck, normally buy 2 decks -- 1 for collection and 1 for use. I respect their choices, but it is not my way of card collecting. Maybe they want to build a museum of playing cards in the future ??? ??? 
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2012, 12:28:12 AM »
 

Don Boyer

  • VP/Dir. Club Forum/DAC Chair, 52 Plus Joker
  • Administrator
  • Forum Sentinel
  • *
  • 19,172
    Posts
  • Reputation: 415
  • Pick a card, any card...no, not THAT card!

  • Facebook:
OK, I see where you're coming from on this.  For you, there a certain element of the thrill of the hunt!  It's the same thrill collectors of anything vintage get when they make great finds and get good deals.  I can dig that entirely.  There's history not just of the manufacture, but of the ownership, uniqueness in that fewer examples exist...and naturally, the quality of what was made.

I could see one defining the period before and including the 1950s as historically significant, and having visually beautiful cards that couldn't perform very well but were dead-on gorgeous.  Going from there into the 1960s, you have the introduction of quality innovations - now you have great looking cards that perform well; a true golden age of the playing card.  After that, heading into the mid-to-late 1980s, companies in general started to forget what quality was and churn out crap, figuring people would buy it anyway as they have all along.  This was also a turbulent period for USPC - it changed hands a number of times, if I remember the company history time line.  Card quality suffered - it was a dark age.  We're now in the midst of a period of upheaval in the market, with new technology in the form of CGI and CAD, the advent of Magic Finish and the custom deck - call it a Renaissance, if you will.  Perfect?  Nah.  Not even close.  But better than it has been since any time after the Golden Age.
Card Illusionist, NYC Area
Playing Card Design & Development Consultant
Deck Tailoring: Custom Alterations for Magicians and Card Mechanics
Services for Hire - http://thedecktailor.com/
Pre-Made Decks for Sale - http://donboyermagic.com/
 

Re: Interesting Finishes on Our Favorites...
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2012, 01:35:24 AM »
 

digipunk

  • Discourse Deity
  • *
  • 629
    Posts
  • Reputation: 23
We're now in the midst of a period of upheaval in the market, with new technology in the form of CGI and CAD, the advent of Magic Finish and the custom deck - call it a Renaissance, if you will.
hahaha... I will, actually I did. I'd said this many times on my blog before people started talking about Magic Finish. I practice card sleights hours a day and I well know the differences since 10 months ago.
_
« Last Edit: February 18, 2012, 01:36:09 AM by digipunk »