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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2012, 04:50:20 PM »
 

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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2012, 10:55:20 PM »
 

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Best Backs: Artifice
Best Fronts: JAQKs
Best Handling:  :-\
Best representation of the deck name: Bicycle Smiley Face, Bicycle Card Ninja
Most Customized: Dose
Best Jokers: LTDs
Best Box: JAQKs
Best Ace of Spades:  :-\

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Worst Backs: Templar Knights, White Lions, Pirates, Premieres, Steampunk, DeckOnes
Worst Fronts: Templar Knights, Pirates
Worst Handling:  :-\
Most Over-hyped: Monarchs, V6s
Worst representation of the deck name: Pirates (Not a SHRED of anything pirate related on the deck. Even the word Pirate is misspelled. Duan is an idiot.,
Least Customized: Titaniums (What BS..), Bicycle Professionals, Smoke and Mirrors V6 (It would have taken me about 8 minutes to change a few colours... apparently took them 10 months or so)
Worst Jokers: Artifice, Infinity, Steampunk
Worst Box: Templar Knights
Worst Ace of Spades: Templar Knights

  *Monarchs aren't bad compared to the REAL crap on the market. Neither are Rider backs with Clip art. I don't think T11 and Merz should take too many punches in this poll...
 

Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2012, 11:14:14 PM »
 

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Pirates (Not a SHRED of anything pirate related on the deck. Even the word Pirate is misspelled. Duan is an idiot.,
How exactly is it misspelled? ::)
And nothing pirate-related? Do you live under a rock? Navigation tools, mermaids, what seems to be an anchor on the ace of spades... Really?
 
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 11:33:14 PM »
 

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Pirates (Not a SHRED of anything pirate related on the deck. Even the word Pirate is misspelled. Duan is an idiot.,
How exactly is it misspelled? ::)
And nothing pirate-related? Do you live under a rock? Navigation tools, mermaids, what seems to be an anchor on the ace of spades... Really?

Do your research before calling people out. Call it a Naval Deck, fine. Pirates, no.
 
  Mermaids and Pirates? Caribbean 4's really gotten into you hasn't it. And please bother to Read the text on the Ace, before making yourself look any more foolish.
 

Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2012, 12:06:37 AM »
 

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Popular culture is a valid theme just as well as historical facts. I haven't seen any PoC movie after the first one and have no idea what you're refering to, but either way, if that's what people want in their decks, then who are you to tell them it's a bad idea?
And I don't think insulting me directly is very appropriate, thank you.
As for the ace of spades, a mistake in the printing doesn't automatically make someone an idiot. The design is still very nice, and while you may dislike it, and you definitely do have a right to, it doesn't make it bad. Other people may like it.
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2012, 12:07:14 AM »
 

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Best Backs: Artifice
Best Fronts: Infinity
Best Handling: White Lions
Best representation of the deck name: Fantastique
Most Customized:Infinity
Best Jokers: Midnight Blades
Best Box" Monarchs
Best Ace of Spades: Black Crown

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Worst Backs: Monarchs
Worst Fronts: White Arrcos
Worst Handling: Infinity
Most Over-hyped: Monarchs
Worst representation of the deck name: -----
Least Customized: White Arrcos
Worst Jokers: Ltd ( I honestly hate them)
Worst Box: Midnight Blades
Worst Ace of Spades: Midnight Blades (Bothe aces suck)
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2012, 12:43:17 AM »
 

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Popular culture is a valid theme just as well as historical facts. I haven't seen any PoC movie after the first one and have no idea what you're refering to, but either way, if that's what people want in their decks, then who are you to tell them it's a bad idea?
And I don't think insulting me directly is very appropriate, thank you.
As for the ace of spades, a mistake in the printing doesn't automatically make someone an idiot. The design is still very nice, and while you may dislike it, and you definitely do have a right to, it doesn't make it bad. Other people may like it.

  "Foolish" is about as insulting as "Do you live under a Rock?" I would think.

    And I'm going to assume you don't know scratch about Duan. He's trying to pump out 4 decks ATM that look like complete garbage. You tell me they look good and I'll know better than to respect your sense of aesthetics. I know bad ideas when I see one.

    And when you're charging people MONEY for something, at the VERY least you can make sure they are devoid of error. Same thing as an album missing a track or a movie with an audio problem that's out on the market. When they do that they're open game to being called idiotic.

   If you're designing a deck and you consider the pirates, templar knights, or any of Stephen Rooks decks to be "Nice Designs", try backing off. You can have your opinion and keep it too but I will say that your taste is drastically under par, I hope my word choice is not too insulting. They all go in the same basket for me. 
 

Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2012, 01:51:50 AM »
 

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Oh, I remember you now. You were that guy in the Encarded thread being offensive towards xmetal, practically calling him incompetent, and going as far as judging the amount of effort he put into his design, correct? ::)
I see misspelled words in books all the time. Are you gonna tell me every editor out there is a useless idiot and should be fired right away? You assumed your own design to be worth more than xmetal's for his own concept, are you gonna say you'd do a better job than those editors, too? From what I have seen, the vast majority of your criticism is negative.

No, I don't know about the designer of the Pirate deck. But even if he is in fact trying to make money on his customers' backs, talent and good intentions are different. It can make someone not want to buy it, sure. But it doesn't make it ugly. You can very well be the worst person on Earth and still be good at something. That being said, I personally have no interest in them. Personally.

You seem to be considering your opinion on what is good or bad to be the golden standard. I don't know of any community where this kind of view is seen as a positive thing. You can dislike something, but you can't expect people to follow your rules just because you want them to. Saying you dislike something is one thing, but calling them bad or saying they suck is a completely different thing.

Those are my last words, I've wasted enough of my time already.
 
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2012, 01:58:37 AM »
 

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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2012, 02:32:31 AM »
 

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Oh, I remember you now. You were that guy in the Encarded thread being offensive towards xmetal, practically calling him incompetent, and going as far as judging the amount of effort he put into his design, correct?
I see misspelled words in books all the time. Are you gonna tell me every editor out there is a useless idiot and should be fired right away? You assumed your own design to be worth more than xmetal's for his own concept, are you gonna say you'd do a better job than those editors, too? From what I have seen, the vast majority of your criticism is negative.


No, I don't know about the designer of the Pirate deck. But even if he is in fact trying to make money on his customers' backs, talent and good intentions are different. It can make someone not want to buy it, sure. But it doesn't make it ugly. You can very well be the worst person on Earth and still be good at something. That being said, I personally have no interest in them. Personally.


You seem to be considering your opinion on what is good or bad to be the golden standard. I don't know of any community where this kind of view is seen as a positive thing. You can dislike something, but you can't expect people to follow your rules just because you want them to. Saying you dislike something is one thing, but calling them bad or saying they suck is a completely different thing.


Those are my last words, I've wasted enough of my time already.


  Quit the game. Typical. Unfortunately that leaves me with the finish. Though it seems kindergartenish.. you started the feud and now complain about wasting your time.


  Huh. Oh how your opinions are subjective... oh there's no such thing as a bad deck... oh you can't expect people to make stuff you like... That's about the most cliched, over-used defense that everyone seems to like these days. I remember when Diavoli advertised the Tattoos on the t11 forums... after receiving a bad review they replied with something like "sorry our taste got stuck in your throat". This is what allows people to believe that they can make things like the Crimson Gate, like the Tattoos, like that Olympus deck full of plagiarism, like Merz's 20 different clipart decks that go for 50 bucks. Like a deck that has around 20 English words printed on it and they manage to screw up the typo TWO times. You notice that black and white aces are diffrent so there was a reprint. What did he do? "Screw it, I couldn't care less to fix the typo."

 There ARE standards. People bash on Theory11 decks these days but at least they look somewhat professional. At least you can tell that they have a modesty of control over their products and they do not allow errors. That they hire experienced designers and scrap many drafts before hitting printers. I think the idea for the Dose is very sour but I cannot deny the amount of work that Hayles' put in. Where the hell are Duan's efforts? Unlike you, I take design to heart. I care about the quality of a piece and I make differentiations between masterful, decent and half-decent, not say "Oh my opinion is worthless". What kind of designer doesn't? How can someone produce good art when they don't understand the meaning? Or avoid creating terrible pieces because they simply don't think there's such a thing? Try telling the person who grades your portfolio "It's just your opinion. I'm sorry you don't like it but that doesn't mean it's bad." Come back when you're serious.


  You've seen the Artifice, you've seen the JAQKs, you've seen Fantastiques and Smoke and Mirrors and everything. who would even consider buying these week's worth of effort decks if it wasn't for the collectors who just want every deck there is? This is what I HATE about playing cards. To half-quote Craig Petty on Kevin Parker: "You've got one little idea(He calls it a Brain-fart), put it on kickstarter." It's insulting.  Especially to someone who gives a damn about design.


  I can't believe someone like you with pseudo-knowledge of the playing card industry and the banner of "there's no such thing as bad art" has managed to give me such annoyment. I need to take an emotion management class.
 

Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2012, 03:05:37 AM »
 

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@#F: There were no Pirate reprints, the black & white editions were launched simultaneously. Duan blamed the printing error on the USPCC, and in some ways I believe him and in some ways I do not. The USPCC does modify designs to an extent, and that extent varies deck to deck. On the Vortex, they just changed some alignment issues. On the Pirate decks, they could have very well put that text in for him. However, this brings to mind Diavoli's Templar decks, wherein an entire index is missing and Diavoli's explanation was that it's a gaff card. This error, if anything, is even more unforgivable, because while a typo at least is the result of overlooking a detail, an entire index missing (it's the three of clubs, for anyone curious) is just the designer deciding to skip over an entire portion of card creation. If we take Diavoli's word on it, though, then I personally can't tell if that's worse than an overlook because it clearly shows how little knowledge the man has in playing cards if he thinks it's okay to gaff one of the standard 52 cards in a deck.

To call Duan an idiot is an over-statement I think. While his recent decks look awful, I actually halfway didn't mind some of the art on the Pirates. I believe he is too far removed from the modern card community to learn about what looks good and what does not. A lot of his success is owed in part due to his deck coming out several months before the custom card craze in Q4 2011, and the fact that it is printed under Bicycle in a small quantity.

While I agree there are objectively worse decks out there than Theory11's and Merz's concoctions, I will explain below why I personally don't rate them lower:

Theory11 overhyped their cards, and tried to pass off their recent Monarchs as the epitome of design, and as the last deck of cards you will ever need to see or use. Because the creators/producers themselves have marketed the deck by this standard, this is the standard I judge it on. It did not meet its standard, but in fact scored far below it. If you take away the fancy box the Monachs come in, I would argue that the decks are barely better than the artwork on some other 2011 decks that I won't name. Honestly, the Crown decks were worse than the Monarchs in my opinion, but they never tried to be something better. They were marketed as good decks with good handling. They met the standard they announced, and that in my opinion makes them superior to the Monarchs.

The reason I grade the Merz decks so low is because you can't rate the lack of customization on a deck. Around 90% of any deck he puts out is not customized, so what's left to judge? The clip-art, which is arguably not customized either since it's a stock image copy+pasted onto the cards. I am left with judging them for what they are worth, and since they look much worse than the standard Bicycle decks, they are nowhere near worth their $50 price point. If I could buy them in bulk for practice, I would buy a few bricks if they cost $2-3 per deck. Nothing more.

We as collectors, designers and enthusiasts have to realize one thing: Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder. There are certain things that, throughout our thousands and thousands of years as a civilization, we have to realize as ugly or disgusting. Color theory, for example, is not a joke. It's a fact. So when I see a deck of cards with a back like the Be@rbrick decks, it makes me cringe. When I see color combos like what's coming up in Duan's future decks, it depresses me. These are not subjective feelings. It's like people with a good sense of tone being able to tell a good voice from a bad one. For those of us that are tone-deaf, it's not discernible. However, for those who are trained in the art of singing, they know exactly what to listen for.



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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2012, 06:19:22 AM »
 

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"Good"

Best Backs:Black Crown Deck
Best Handling:not quite sure
Best representation of the deck name:bicycle stickman
Most Customized:Infinty
Best Jokers:InFinty
Best Box"Split Spades
Best Ace of Spades:Infinty

"Bad"

Worst Backs: monarchs
Worst Handling:Tragic royalty
Most Over-hyped: Monarchs
Worst representation of the deck name: not quite sure
Least Customized: bicycle titanium
Worst Ace of Spades: JAQK
 

Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2012, 10:52:21 AM »
 

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@Moon.exe: this isn't typical for you, man.  Go easy.


@#F: breathe, dude.  Breathe.


@Alex: excellent essay, bro.  I can be a little tone-deaf in terms of what I like and what's considered beautiful, but I certainly know butt-ugly when I see it.


BTW: did ANYONE get that "A.Bandit" deck?  Who made that thing?  What little I saw of it repulses me.  Am I missing something here?
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2012, 11:08:46 AM »
 

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Things that caught my fancy this year. I don't list worst.

Boxes: Infinity/Monarch/Black Crown/Expert at the Card Table


Backs: Infinity/Split Spades


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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2012, 11:19:51 AM »
 

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A quote I saw once (which I'll paraphrase/extend) goes roughly like this:

You will never create something that 100% of people like. If the majority don't like your work, then consider making some changes. If the small minority don't like it, ignore them completely and follow your heart, doing your art as you see fit.






As for my selections, looking at the collection on my wall my picks would be:


Best Backs: Fantastique
Best Fronts: Artifice
Best Handling:  Artifice
Best representation of the deck name: Fantastique
Most Customized: Artifice
Best Jokers: Fultons
Best Box: Infinity
Best Ace of Spades:  Fantastique


Worst Backs: Steampunk
Worst Fronts: Templar Knights
Worst Handling:  Sentinels
Most Over-hyped: Monarchs
Worst representation of the deck name:
Least Customized: S&M v6
Worst Jokers: Monarchs
Worst Box: Templar Knights
Worst Ace of Spades: Templar Knights
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2012, 12:31:00 PM »
 

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Honestly if I made such mistakes i'd publically say "what an idiot I was, won't happen again."
 
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2012, 03:43:23 PM »
 

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Honestly if I made such mistakes i'd publically say "what an idiot I was, won't happen again."


I think that specific language has no place in a business, and by all means Eric Duan's work is a business. Again, I've worked with the USPCC, and am continuing to work with them. If indeed they made an error of that magnitude on his deck, he shouldn't be taking the fall for it. I don't care what his cards look like. Everyone is entitled to be treated as a client and not as a chore.
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Re: Deck of the Year.
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2012, 10:09:37 PM »
 

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John asked me to count the votes, so here are the results(Only one vote was counted per category, so if you put multiples, I only counted the first):

Best Back: Fantastique (6 votes)
Best Fronts: Infinity (4 votes)
Best Handling: Artifice/Aristocrats (3 votes each)
Best representation of deck name: Fantastique (5 votes)
Most Customized: Tungstene/Infinity (4 votes each)
Best Jokers: LTD (5 votes)
Best Box: LTD/Monarchs (3 votes each)
Best Ace of Spades: Infinity (4 votes)

Worst Backs: Monarchs (10 votes)
Worst Fronts: Monarchs (8 votes)
Worst Handling: Sentinels (3 votes)
Most Over-hyped: Monarchs (16 votes)
Worst representation of deck name: Monarchs (10 votes)
Least Customized: White Arrco/Monarchs (5 votes each)
Worst Jokers: Monarchs (4 votes each)
Worst Box: Aristocrat (3 votes)
Worst Ace of Spades: Monarchs (5 votes)

Overall best: Fantastique/Infinity (11 votes each)
Overall worst: Monarchs (61 votes)
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