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Reprinted: ARRCO U.S. Reg. Playing Cards



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My name is Chris Severson, and I am a magician and card flourisher. I have been dedicated to these art forms for over a decade, and over the years I have handled hundreds of different decks, back designs, finishes and stocks. After all of these years, only one I call my absolute favorite deck of cards; ARRCO U.S. Reg.

My good friend Franky Morales and I want to bring back this deck of cards; one that is so iconic and loved in the Magic and Cardistry communities. A back design that was once (and still is) revered by professional card handlers all over the world. The goal is to not just bring these cards back just for our own enjoyment, but to bring them back for the Magic and Cardistry communities, along with card lovers alike! We have been granted permission by the USPCC to bring these cards back into life once more; but this time, they will be getting an upgrade!

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These ARRCOs are going to be printed on the classic Bee stock. This stock is thick, and lasts for months of continuous use. It is known as the standard stock in high end Vegas casinos; as it can hold up to non stop use at the card tables and still remain smooth.

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In addition to this, we are also having the cards cut from the faces to the back! What this means is during the printing process, the cards get cut out from one big sheet when it comes off the printing press. The direction the blade goes through the cards, either cutting from the face of the cards to the back or the back of the cards to the face, determines the kind of cut. Having the cards cut from the faces to the backs are preferred by card handlers because when the cards are face down on a table, and shuffled from the bottom up, the cards melt together like butter! Cards cut from their backs to the front will have a resistance when shuffled from bottom up.


I get wanting to get a deck re-produced, but this may be the laziest thing I have seen.
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Nice idea in principle, but can they do it?  Dealing Deuces was the last company to make these and they may have an exclusivity deal in place.

But on the other hand, now we'll see a flood of projects for mundane reprints, albeit given the Turner treatment, of recently-discontinued classic decks.  Quick way to make a buck - sell a proven seller to an audience of eager buyers.
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I'm afraid you won't see me in on this one. I'm cool with reprints, I like reprints, just something that's a bit harder to get. Doesn't feel that long ago since I've used these decks.
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I'm afraid you won't see me in on this one. I'm cool with reprints, I like reprints, just something that's a bit harder to get. Doesn't feel that long ago since I've used these decks.

I agree with Fes here. I think we can still buy these decks in the reseller market fairly easily? I do not see why a reprint is needed.
 

 

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I'm afraid you won't see me in on this one. I'm cool with reprints, I like reprints, just something that's a bit harder to get. Doesn't feel that long ago since I've used these decks.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I still own a dozen of the originals. Most of us who have been around or know what's been done before, are aware of the pokerstud52 decks. We know those were not very good. NY Magic Project also produced an adequate to good white version.

I would not back this without the USPCC's blessing. Bee Stock and Gold Seal, this guy thinks he's Richard Turner or something?

This is not what Kickstarter should be used for.
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Pokerstud52's decks are the ones printed by Dealing Deuces.  For a while, DD was wrapping decks in gold foil and sticking a numbered seal on the wrapper, thinking this would enhance the value.  It all came tumbling down when he created "custom" versions of Ace Fulton's Casino decks with the gold wrap treatment and the tuck box logo printed on a clear sticker attached to the foil.  Buyers were freaking out, thinking it was a new edition by Dan and Dave - which they came out and categorically denied as being an edition they created.  We stopped hearing from him here - which was good in the end because his popularity plummeted through the floor into the basement.  His prices were always costly...  But enough tangent.

The white version created by Kevin Reylek, proprietor of New York Magic Project, is actually a good-quality deck and holds up well.  I think it uses Bicycle stock, but not the downgraded stock they now use on mass-produced Bicycles.  It was the first Arrco deck to have Magic Finish.

As far as the decks being Bee stock, traditionally cut and having gold seals - he doesn't need to be Richard Turner to find these features desirable.  Every deck Bill Kalush made with USPC was Bee Casino stock and traditionally cut.  USPC hates doing traditionally cut cards because it adds and extra step to the manufacturing process - I know of a card designer who was discouraged from ordering that cut because USPC claimed the edges turn out too rough, this despite the fact that none of Bill's old USPC decks ever had a rough edge.  This is a deck clearly being target to magicians, and the features are ones that magicians find desirable.  I also love the straight-forward nature of the campaign - no T-shirts, no coins, no dice, no extra bric-a-brac, just the cards.

I'm a bit intrigued by the fact that one of the photos shows him executing a face-down faro shuffle with a pack of blue Arrcos, implying that he's holding a pack of traditionally-cut cards.  If they're not vintage from the early 1980s or older, it sounds to me like the project's already completed and he's just looking for a way to defray the costs.

Personally, if this was my project, I'd privately fund it and sell it online and through retail.  It's how Kevin Reylek sold his white Arrcos, and that seemed to go rather smoothly.

There's one thing about the project that gives me a whole lot of pause.  A single pack of these is $12.  A brick is $85, or barely over $7 a pack.  Today, right now, I can buy a single pack from pokerstud52 for a mere $5.95 for a PAIR, albeit without the Bee stock and traditional cut, and bricks are only $28.95, or nearly $2.50 a pack.  It's a bit pricey for what amounts design-wise to an entry-level deck, not even requiring a designer - I could call Tiffany today, order these Arrcos and ask for the upgraded stock, special cut and gold seals, no need to send a single graphics file because they're being made identically to the standard issue in terms of what's being printed.  (Oh, and I can ask for identical black-and-white jokers, too.)  It's not an art deck, it's not even a custom deck - it's a basic deck in terms of its design, meant to be a working deck for magicians, but priced like something from Encarded or Midnight (that's not a knock at you guys, because you make decks that are worth the price).  The Richard Turner Bicycles he references are less expensive than these Arrcos he's planning to reprint.

As attractive a deck as the Arrco design may be, at that price, it's too much - especially when alternatives abound.
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Pokerstud52's decks are the ones printed by Dealing Deuces.  For a while, DD was wrapping decks in gold foil and sticking a numbered seal on the wrapper, thinking this would enhance the value.  It all came tumbling down when he created "custom" versions of Ace Fulton's Casino decks with the gold wrap treatment and the tuck box logo printed on a clear sticker attached to the foil.  Buyers were freaking out, thinking it was a new edition by Dan and Dave - which they came out and categorically denied as being an edition they created.  We stopped hearing from him here - which was good in the end because his popularity plummeted through the floor into the basement.  His prices were always costly...  But enough tangent.

The white version created by Kevin Reylek, proprietor of New York Magic Project, is actually a good-quality deck and holds up well.  I think it uses Bicycle stock, but not the downgraded stock they now use on mass-produced Bicycles.  It was the first Arrco deck to have Magic Finish.

As far as the decks being Bee stock, traditionally cut and having gold seals - he doesn't need to be Richard Turner to find these features desirable.  Every deck Bill Kalush made with USPC was Bee Casino stock and traditionally cut.  USPC hates doing traditionally cut cards because it adds and extra step to the manufacturing process - I know of a card designer who was discouraged from ordering that cut because USPC claimed the edges turn out too rough, this despite the fact that none of Bill's old USPC decks ever had a rough edge.  This is a deck clearly being target to magicians, and the features are ones that magicians find desirable.  I also love the straight-forward nature of the campaign - no T-shirts, no coins, no dice, no extra bric-a-brac, just the cards.

I'm a bit intrigued by the fact that one of the photos shows him executing a face-down faro shuffle with a pack of blue Arrcos, implying that he's holding a pack of traditionally-cut cards.  If they're not vintage from the early 1980s or older, it sounds to me like the project's already completed and he's just looking for a way to defray the costs.

Personally, if this was my project, I'd privately fund it and sell it online and through retail.  It's how Kevin Reylek sold his white Arrcos, and that seemed to go rather smoothly.

There's one thing about the project that gives me a whole lot of pause.  A single pack of these is $12.  A brick is $85, or barely over $7 a pack.  Today, right now, I can buy a single pack from pokerstud52 for a mere $5.95 for a PAIR, albeit without the Bee stock and traditional cut, and bricks are only $28.95, or nearly $2.50 a pack.  It's a bit pricey for what amounts design-wise to an entry-level deck, not even requiring a designer - I could call Tiffany today, order these Arrcos and ask for the upgraded stock, special cut and gold seals, no need to send a single graphics file because they're being made identically to the standard issue in terms of what's being printed.  (Oh, and I can ask for identical black-and-white jokers, too.)  It's not an art deck, it's not even a custom deck - it's a basic deck in terms of its design, meant to be a working deck for magicians, but priced like something from Encarded or Midnight (that's not a knock at you guys, because you make decks that are worth the price).  The Richard Turner Bicycles he references are less expensive than these Arrcos he's planning to reprint.

As attractive a deck as the Arrco design may be, at that price, it's too much - especially when alternatives abound.

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Pokerstud52 reprinted Arrco U.S. Regulations in Red, Blue, Green & Black. I donated 4 of each (12) to you for your hospital visits. They clump right out of the box and handle like s#it. I'm Sorry.

Dealing Deuces reprinted Arrco Tahoe in Black, Inverse White, Red & Blue. The Black & White were first sold individually. Later Dealing Deuces made the Red & Blue. You could buy the Red & Blue sets wrapped in Silver Foil (1/2500) or individual cellophane. You could also buy all 4 colors wrapped in Gold Foil (1/500). I own both foiled sets. I also own a few of these Tahoe's from D&D variety boxes. They handle very well!

They are not the same.

I was trying to be funny about the Richard Turner comment. Obviously we know he does not need to be Richard Turner. :))

$12 bucks a deck is expensive. I can buy 4 decks of Turners Gold Standard for that price.
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Hey Don

Pokerstud52 reprinted Arrco U.S. Regulations in Red, Blue, Green & Black. I donated 4 of each (12) to you for your hospital visits. They clump right out of the box and handle like s#it. I'm Sorry.

Dealing Deuces reprinted Arrco Tahoe in Black, Inverse White, Red & Blue. The Black & White were first sold individually. Later Dealing Deuces made the Red & Blue. You could buy the Red & Blue sets wrapped in Silver Foil (1/2500) or individual cellophane. You could also buy all 4 colors wrapped in Gold Foil (1/500). I own both foiled sets. I also own a few of these Tahoe's from D&D variety boxes. They handle very well!

They are not the same.

I was trying to be funny about the Richard Turner comment. Obviously we know he does not need to be Richard Turner. :))

$12 bucks a deck is expensive. I can buy 4 decks of Turners Gold Standard for that price.

Hey - that's right!  I had a hunch I wasn't remembering it correctly, mixing the US Regs with the Tahoes.  Thanks!

I remember the clumpy decks.  Man, they were terrible.  Good enough for kids playing cards, so no need to apologize.  If they're happy getting Streamlines made in China, I'm sure they're at least as happy getting clumpy Arrcos!  I''d be interested to see if they improve with a bit of fanning powder...

And if you're getting Turner Bikes for $3 a pack, I want in on some!  They cost $5-$6 around here.

But back to the main point - while these sound great, and will handle better than the PS52 decks, they're really not worth that price.  Only the hardest of hardcore Arrco fans should back this.  THAT, we certainly agree on!
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