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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: HolyJJ on December 08, 2015, 09:22:04 AM
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The next edition to the Classic series from EPCC appears to be ready for release sometime soon... and unlike the previous 4 colours of Classic, this new edition, as the name suggests, features EPCC's new Robusto stock.
Looks great in the image... and so I'm hoping that the handling is just as great also! :D
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The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?
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The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?
It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)
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The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?
It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)
Oh is this their mysterious 'iron stock'? I have been curious to see this hit the market. Heaviest stock available from what I understand..?
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The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?
It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)
Oh is this their mysterious 'iron stock'? I have been curious to see this hit the market. Heaviest stock available from what I understand..?
Robusto is indeed the market name for what was being called "Iron Stock" while it was still in development. Cigar smokers will easily recognize the name - it's the largest of cigar sizes.
I can't recall which CARD CULTURE had the article on EPCC's stocks, but I do recall that the mid-year special issue reprinted it, so it was definitely before October. That special issue was free of charge to the public and a link should still be around here if you wanted to check it out.
The stock is SIGNIFICANTLY thicker than anything else EPCC offers, and makes old-school Bee Casino look more like modern Bicycle stock. I think an entire deck, measured in haste with a caliper, was in the ballpark of 10mm thicker than any of their other stocks! You can see and feel the difference immediately. If you like your stock bullet-proof, this is the next best thing. If you want to practice card throwing with it, stay away from the windows and any delicate or not-so-delicate breakables and don't throw them at your little brother!
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The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?
It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)
Oh is this their mysterious 'iron stock'? I have been curious to see this hit the market. Heaviest stock available from what I understand..?
Robusto is indeed the market name for what was being called "Iron Stock" while it was still in development. Cigar smokers will easily recognize the name - it's the largest of cigar sizes.
I can't recall which CARD CULTURE had the article on EPCC's stocks, but I do recall that the mid-year special issue reprinted it, so it was definitely before October. That special issue was free of charge to the public and a link should still be around here if you wanted to check it out.
The stock is SIGNIFICANTLY thicker than anything else EPCC offers, and makes old-school Bee Casino look more like modern Bicycle stock. I think an entire deck, measured in haste with a caliper, was in the ballpark of 10mm thicker than any of their other stocks! You can see and feel the difference immediately. If you like your stock bullet-proof, this is the next best thing. If you want to practice card throwing with it, stay away from the windows and any delicate or not-so-delicate breakables and don't throw them at your little brother!
I just checked it, it was the July edition... oh my time really flies too quick..
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I, for one, like thick cards and I also like cards to be very sturdy... and so Robusto really does appeal to me.
I think it'll be excellent for gambling slights and riffle stacking routines (even though Erdnase was of the belief that thin and flexible cards are best).
Before USPCC's Bee Casino stock turned into the flimsy toilet paper stock that it is today, the old Bee Casino stock that was used in Ohio really did have a nice thickness and feel to it. If Don says that Robusto trumps even that, then seriously, this could be very impressive!
The fact that the back design for this deck looks so darn cool, is a massive bonus. The only *potential* letdown could be the usual registration issues associated with foil on playing cards... because as has already been discussed in other threads, the Taiwan factory hasn't perfected foil application just yet.
The Classic Twins were an excellent debut* for EPCC's Classic Finish, and the Robusto Classic is undoubtedly a great start for the Robusto stock.
*Although the Sharps were the first deck to feature the classic finish, they weren't mass produced, and are still relatively tough to find.
EPCC's instagram account states that this deck might release before Christmas... and that'd be pretty awesome! :D
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I just checked it, it was the July edition... oh my time really flies too quick..
Yup - the special issue was an August release.
Just looked at the photos again - yes, I remembered the measurements wrong. Here's the breakdown. Using crudely-done measurements using a digital caliper, I measured the thickness of a single deck including jokers of each of the four stocks EPCC offered at the time.
Master stock: 15.41 mm
Classic stock: 16.25 mm
Damask stock: 16.18 mm (this was surprising, because that's supposed to be a bit thinner than Master, but stocks do have variances)
Robusto/"Codename: Iron" stock: 17.27 mm
A full millimeter thicker than Classic, nearly two thicker than Master. A millimeter, for those Americans too lazy to look, is the thickness of a US dime - in a deck of cards, that's easily a few cards, depending on the stock's thickness. That Master stock deck would have needed perhaps 6-8 more cards to be as thick as the Robusto - you can even see in the photograph of all four decks side-by-side that the Robusto is visibly thicker, despite my masking I had to apply to disguise the deck. It was made as a test deck in a generic pattern that Bill Kalush didn't want to appear in photos - I was lucky he let me photograph the deck in the first place.
I, for one, like thick cards and I also like cards to be very sturdy... and so Robusto really does appeal to me.
I think it'll be excellent for gambling slights and riffle stacking routines (even though Erdnase was of the belief that thin and flexible cards are best).
Before USPCC's Bee Casino stock turned into the flimsy toilet paper stock that it is today, the old Bee Casino stock that was used in Ohio really did have a nice thickness and feel to it. If Don says that Robusto trumps even that, then seriously, this could be very impressive!
The fact that the back design for this deck looks so darn cool, is a massive bonus. The only *potential* letdown could be the usual registration issues associated with foil on playing cards... because as has already been discussed in other threads, the Taiwan factory hasn't perfected foil application just yet.
The Classic Twins were an excellent debut* for EPCC's Classic Finish, and the Robusto Classic is undoubtedly a great start for the Robusto stock.
*Although the Sharps were the first deck to feature the classic finish, they weren't mass produced, and are still relatively tough to find.
EPCC's instagram account states that this deck might release before Christmas... and that'd be pretty awesome! :D
Simply put, you'll love this stock. What's going to be a real plus is that the pressure from the foil application process can sometimes leave an impression of the foil stamp through the front of the card - the thicker stock should help to prevent this very nicely.
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They are indeed very sturdy :)
(https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12347581_1494477987521601_5016647891620186496_n.jpg?oh=c122a102757179a9f322858b2ad8bc7e&oe=56E47F70)
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OK, stop torturing us already, when will they be released >:(. I know that EPCC said that it might be before Christmas, but this waiting is killing me :-[
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OK, stop torturing us already, when will they be released >:(. I know that the sid that it might be before Christmas, but this waiting is killing me :-[
EPCC are considering releasing these beauties on Wednesday :D
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Thanks HolyJJ! i jist saw that on their instagram too...hope I am one of the lucky few that can get a hold of the first batch of decks on Wednesday! ;D
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I am interested to get some too.
This looks quite nice and I like thick stock.
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HolyJJ, have you (or has anyone) heard any more about a release date? I would imagine that if they were going to be today, folks on the EPCC mailing list would have already received a notice. I haven't received anything personally. Just curious! :-)
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BiggerDee,
The release date that EPCC proposed is indeed today... but it was relatively clear that this provisional release date was a best case scenario, rather than a finalised date.
Anyhow, if it does release today, then I'd expect the e-mail to go out in 4 or 5 hours time -- off the top of my head, that's the usual time of day when EPCC/CARC e-mails go out.
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Thank you for the update. I'm a bit impatient, I suppose! :-)
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Just announced via instagram, a small batch will be released tomorrow, they didn't make it in time for today! :D
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First Look at Superior Brand on Kardiy.com
http://www.kardify.com/ (http://www.kardify.com/)
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I checked out the descriptions and I'm trying to figure out is the only difference between these decks are that they are tuck swaps. Can someone confirm this for me. Thanks.
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See Don's description of the stock at the top of this thread...the stock for this deck is called 'Robusto' and is thicker than any other stock currently availible, which is what makes this deck so special, aside from the fact that Jackson Robinson designed the tuck ;)
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I got that part. I just wanted to know if the cards are identical. I went to Conjuring Arts website and there weren't but two photos of the inexpensive tuck.
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I know what he's talking about. Bill Kalush told me about this deck a while back but I've been swore to secrecy on it until it was ready for release.
Superior is a new brand for Expert PCC. The first release in this brand has the Classic card back - meaning the backs are identical in basic design (though not colors) to the original Classic decks, done in red, blue, black and gold. I'm mostly certain, if my memory serves me well, that they'll have a new face design that will be the standard face design of the Superior brand. Beyond that, I can't say - you have to wait for the release.
I believe there are plans being put into place for future releases with new back designs. Think of it in some ways as being like the Bicycle brand for USPC back in the old days. There was a standard Bicycle face and several different back designs in different colors were marketed. Whether they were Leaf Backs, Santa Backs, Rider Backs, Coral Backs, Tri-Tire Backs, Racer Backs, Cupid Backs, etc., they were all still Bicycle decks. This is what the Superior brand is being positioned to be for Expert PCC. As the Classics have an old-style face, I think Bill wanted a more up-to-date face for the Superiors, but I can't say with certainty as I haven't seen samples of the faces yet and the concept may have changed. When he spoke to me about it last, it was still in the planning stages so there could be any number of differences now.
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I saw all of the info about the deck/release on Facebook, but they only said "today". Anyone have a guess on a release time?
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I got that part. I just wanted to know if the cards are identical. I went to Conjuring Arts website and there weren't but two photos of the inexpensive tuck.
The Classic Reserve has foiled backs. The regular Classic does not. The Reserve decks are limited to 1,000 with only 100 being released today.
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These designers and companies frustrate me. Why they insist that I go through the trouble of actually ordering is beyond me. They know what I like, and they have my credit card number on file. They should just drive by my house, jam as many into the mailbox as they can, and then charge me accordingly. Simple.
:-)
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These designers and companies frustrate me. Why they insist that I go through the trouble of actually ordering is beyond me. They know what I like, and they have my credit card number on file. They should just drive by my house, jam as many into the mailbox as they can, and then charge me accordingly. Simple.
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Or how about a pre-order period? Let everyone place order in that period (say, 2 weeks) and then print the amount accordingly. A bit similar procedure as to Kickstarter.
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The Classic Reserve has foiled backs. The regular Classic does not. The Reserve decks are limited to 1,000 with only 100 being released today.
Do we know a release window yet?
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Just announced per CARC: 2PM EST.
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Now live.
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Reserve version sold out.
So quick.
Lucky I am able to secure a few.
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In for Three of each, I absolutely love the tuck on these. Jackson really hit it out of the park with the vintage americana style on them, reminds me of an old world sports pennant. very curious about the robusto stock, and to see how the size of the deck in-tuck compares next to a standard deck.
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The reserve version was sold out before I could get in :(
Got 3 of the regular decks though.
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Two Reserve, Three Regular for me.
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That was extremely annoying. Was watching it all day then got sidetracked. Will have to wait for the general release or just pass.
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With Reserve sold out by the time I got there, I opted to wait for regular release.
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Received mine today.
Beautifully printed. The gold foil shines. Tuck box is extremely thick.
The deck is thick and tough. The measurement I read for my deck is 16.8mm (52 cards) and 97.5g.
But it is a bit too thick to do faro. And maybe too stiff to perform some tricks.
My first feeling is somewhat like the Rhino dart flights.
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Received mine today.
Beautifully printed. The gold foil shines. Tuck box is extremely thick.
The deck is thick and tough. The measurement I read for my deck is 16.8mm (52 cards) and 97.5g.
But it is a bit too thick to do faro. And maybe too stiff to perform some tricks.
My first feeling is somewhat like the Rhino dart flights.
You couldn't faro them? I seem to recall being able to faro the sample I tried out at the CARC offices. Perhaps they need a little breaking in.
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Mine arrived yesterday also :D
I've given them about half an hour of shuffles so far, and whilst I will want to put them through at least another 3 hours of heavy use, I can straight away conclude that once again, EPCC quality completely demolishes USPCC (lack of) quality.
As KSI has pointed out, the tuck box paper is thick and feels nice and sturdy. Jackson's tuck design is very classy, and it certainly does put across the image of superior quality.
The cards themselves... in all honesty, I was expecting them to (1) feel more like master/diamond finish cards, and (2) feel stiffer.
The cards have a more "paper" type of feel to them, rather than the somewhat slick and "plastic" type of feel that many say master finish has. The cards are thick. Very thick. The flimsly and cheap feeling Bee casino paper of today from USPCC is a joke (that's what on social media I call it the toilet paper finish)... and so comparing the Robusto stock to today's Bee Casino would probably be insulting.
However, the Bee Casino paper from 2006 was definitely great at its time, and in comparison to that, the Robusto stick is both thicker and stiffer. 2006 Bee Casino had a thick and spongy feel to them, where as Robusto is thicker and stiffer.
Am I disappointed? Nope, not at all. Not one bit brother. It's just different, that's all.
I agree with KSI that the thickness makes Rubosto a little more difficult to do faro (or interlace) shuffles with. Even though the cards are slightly stiffer (although not by much) than master finish cards, it's still easy to do moves like Steve Forte's tabled bridge shuffle that he does with his fingertips.
Riffle stacking is very very easy with this deck, in comparison to thinner stocks (such as USPCC junk). For my style of bottom dealing, master finish is still the better choice for me, purely because of the coating which makes master finish cards easier to grip.
Overall, very very nice deck. The classic back design looks superb in black and gold, and the quality is definitely something that EPCC have every right to brag about. Great stuff.
I look forward to the regular release, so that I can get some of the limited reserve decks this time!
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Received mine today.
Beautifully printed. The gold foil shines. Tuck box is extremely thick.
The deck is thick and tough. The measurement I read for my deck is 16.8mm (52 cards) and 97.5g.
But it is a bit too thick to do faro. And maybe too stiff to perform some tricks.
My first feeling is somewhat like the Rhino dart flights.
You couldn't faro them? I seem to recall being able to faro the sample I tried out at the CARC offices. Perhaps they need a little breaking in.
Yes I can faro them. Just they are not very easy to do a perfect faro upon brand new right out of the box status. I think they need some time to breaking in.
Overall I am quite impressive with this deck. I like the thickness very much. And I like it is more "paper" feeling than the diamond/master finish. The only thing I would comment is, this deck seems a little bit over-stiff for me. But again, the situation could be improved after breaking-in.
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Yes I can faro them. Just they are not very easy to do a perfect faro upon brand new right out of the box status. I think they need some time to breaking in.
Overall I am quite impressive with this deck. I like the thickness very much. And I like it is more "paper" feeling than the diamond/master finish. The only thing I would comment is, this deck seems a little bit over-stiff for me. But again, the situation could be improved after breaking-in.
The stiffness is a property of the thickness of the paper. I would think it would take SERIOUS breaking in to make that looser - the ones I saw had some handling on them and they were still very stiff. It's what sets Robusto apart from other stocks - it's why it was codenamed "Iron Stock" while it was still in development.
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My USPS lady rang for a signature today, I'm sure that it was my cards. How dare I not be at home at 10:30Am on a Monday! Sigh...another day's wait...
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These are some tough cards. I got 2 of the limited decks and have been playing with one for a few days now. They shuffle and faro beautifully for me, but I'll be darned if I can spring them. I've got pretty strong hands but I can't get enough bend on these bad boys to do a smooth spring, they just put up a fight! Lovely cards though, great box from jackson and the foiling is superb. I'm pretty sure I'll have to do a full foil back like this sometime this year, it's just so pretty...
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I've been calling these the Viagra cards since they're so stiff and hard. After 4 hours of play, I considered consulting a physician. :)
And so looking forward to an Encarded fully foiled back!!!!
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Still waiting for mine to show up =(
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Still waiting for mine to show up =(
Remember, it was the holidays. Deliveries are backed up the wazoo in some places...
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That looks amazing.
The back design made me think of the "Royal Zen" deck, which in my opinion looks absolutely gorgeous. Even though I have not managed to get my hands on a set of those.
(http://shop.conjuringarts.org/store/pc/catalog/BlZen14-det.jpg)
I will get those as soon as they are available in my country, thanks for the post!
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I've been practising with the superior brand for a week, and I really do love this deck! :D
Although Diamond/Master Finish still is my favourite (the slip factor is better on them), Rubosto is definitely excellent.
Personally, I would have liked the cards to still be a little stiffer... but hey, I can't complain -- I'm just glad that this card stock exists!
I definitely see myself stocking up on these once they get a regular release, and I really hope that EPCC puts out more Robusto decks.
When I think "Casino quality cards", this is the type of stock/finish that comes to mind. EPCC have definitely hit a home run with this one :D
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Finally got mine in!
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I think I broke my thumb...
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Got a callous on my index finger knuckle from shuffling Robustos! LOL
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Personally, I would have liked the cards to still be a little stiffer... but hey, I can't complain -- I'm just glad that this card stock exists!
STIFFER?!? What are you, a masochist? :))
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Personally, I would have liked the cards to still be a little stiffer... but hey, I can't complain -- I'm just glad that this card stock exists!
STIFFER?!? What are you, a masochist? :))
Lol.
No masochistic stuff from me brother, honestly. Boxing is one of my hobbies, and if got pleasure out of getting hurt or beaten up, then I'd probably be better off looking for a new hobby instead.
Whilst the Rubosto finish is definitely stiffer than any other "papery" feel cards, they definitely are not finger-breakingly stiff. They're very good, and very well balanced feeling cards, in my humble opinion. I don't have any difficulties doing those Steve Forte style bridged table riffle shuffles with the finger tips (even Daniel Madison does those pretty well), and nor are the cards difficult to spring.
I just think that for cards to be considered to be ultra-stiff, they'd have to be a few notches stiffer than Robusto. However, if the cards were as stiff as what I've suggested preference towards, then I do recognise the fact that their practical use would be seriously limited -- probably down to just false dealing and certain shuffles, shifts, and passes. I'm probably in a tiny minority that likes cards to be very very very stiff.
And so what EPCC have put out with this Rubosto Finish, I think is pretty much perfect for a "paper" feel deck.
I think for the future, maybe EPCC can consider experimenting with the coating, perhaps to get the slip factor up some more
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I'm really intrigued by this stock and the conversation around it. I really need to get my hands on this deck and give it a test. Adding it to the "To Buy" and "To Do" list.
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I would be really excited... if my decks were with me now... They are still at the LA office... dont know why :/
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Personally, I would have liked the cards to still be a little stiffer... but hey, I can't complain -- I'm just glad that this card stock exists!
STIFFER?!? What are you, a masochist? :))
Lol.
No masochistic stuff from me brother, honestly. Boxing is one of my hobbies, and if got pleasure out of getting hurt or beaten up, then I'd probably be better off looking for a new hobby instead.
Whilst the Rubosto finish is definitely stiffer than any other "papery" feel cards, they definitely are not finger-breakingly stiff. They're very good, and very well balanced feeling cards, in my humble opinion. I don't have any difficulties doing those Steve Forte style bridged table riffle shuffles with the finger tips (even Daniel Madison does those pretty well), and nor are the cards difficult to spring.
I just think that for cards to be considered to be ultra-stiff, they'd have to be a few notches stiffer than Robusto. However, if the cards were as stiff as what I've suggested preference towards, then I do recognise the fact that their practical use would be seriously limited -- probably down to just false dealing and certain shuffles, shifts, and passes. I'm probably in a tiny minority that likes cards to be very very very stiff.
And so what EPCC have put out with this Rubosto Finish, I think is pretty much perfect for a "paper" feel deck.
I think for the future, maybe EPCC can consider experimenting with the coating, perhaps to get the slip factor up some more
They are the stiffest paper cards I have yet to encounter. But they still don't meet your standard for "ultra-stiff?" Dude, were you expecting them to take Viagra before you opened the tuck box?? :)) The card pictured below is the ONLY card I've found that was stiffer!
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How does the Robusto's stiffness compare to quality plastic and carbon fiber decks? I've never handled either.
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How does the Robusto's stiffness compare to quality plastic and carbon fiber decks? I've never handled either.
Plastic decks tend to be soft - they're more "bendy" than paper.
Carbon fiber is practically unbendable and very brittle - you'd risk snapping it, assuming you could apply enough force to bend it. Never handled a carbon fiber deck, but have handled carbon fiber sheets heat-sealed in layers as well as the carbon fiber card clip Expert PCC sells. Sure, it's hard and used in some armors, but diamonds are hard, too - the harder something is, the more brittle it tends to be. Tough to bend, easier to shatter than to bend.
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How does the Robusto's stiffness compare to quality plastic and carbon fiber decks? I've never handled either.
Plastic decks tend to be soft - they're more "bendy" than paper.
Carbon fiber is practically unbendable and very brittle - you'd risk snapping it, assuming you could apply enough force to bend it. Never handled a carbon fiber deck, but have handled carbon fiber sheets heat-sealed in layers as well as the carbon fiber card clip Expert PCC sells. Sure, it's hard and used in some armors, but diamonds are hard, too - the harder something is, the more brittle it tends to be. Tough to bend, easier to shatter than to bend.
Cool, thanks for the info don! After I read through this I remember that Kevlar weave playing card project from a little while back and went to look into that for more info, had completely forgotten the project creator had done several runs of carbon fiber decks prior the including Kevlar into the mix and found this cool YouTube video. One I had watched previously by him did say that if you tried to fold one of the cards in half it would break, not bend, but there is still enough flexibility to be able to shuffle. I'm thinking our Robustos are more along to the carbon fiber decks than our bikes.
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I just recently made a couple of review videos about the Robusto Classic and Robusto Classic Reserve. There's a pretty interesting story behind the design of the tuck boxes. You can find the videos at:
Robusto Classic:
https://youtu.be/etFEIQhTWIo
Robusto Classic Reserve:
https://youtu.be/PIl9oGTasHA
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Some of each are being released today at CARC at 4:00pm EST. Get there quick if you want a foiled reserve!
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Some of each are being released today at CARC at 4:00pm EST. Get there quick if you want a foiled reserve!
This offer comes with free postage WORLDWIDE!!!! :D
*I am glad I missed the first release.. otherwise I will be paying more for shipping.
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This offer comes with free postage WORLDWIDE!!!! :D
*I am glad I missed the first release.. otherwise I will be paying more for shipping.
Yeah, the free shipping is pretty amazing!!
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Thanks for posting!
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Some of each are being released today at CARC at 4:00pm EST. Get there quick if you want a foiled reserve!
Seems a great use for all of the gift certificates that were likely purchased during the Blaine Microsoft deck promotion.
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*I am glad I missed the first release.. otherwise I will be paying more for shipping.
Although the price of the decks has gone up since the first release.
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The price has indeed gone up... but if you live outside the US, and you're ordering a relatively low number of decks, it would still work out a lot cheaper.
I got myself in for a brick of the regular decks, and 3 of the reserve decks.
The reserve decks are now sold out... and so that means that out of the 1000 that were made, 250 are gone (100 last time, and 150 this time). If CARC keep around 200 for their own private reserve, then only 550 will remain for general sale... which really isn't a lot (for a deck which seems to sell pretty fast).
Resellers will likely jump on them, and 550 will probably be gone in a week or less. If anybody wants a reserve deck and they missed it this time also, then they really will need to act on CARC's e-mails pretty fast next time, otherwise they'll have to sell an organ to pick up a reserve deck on eBay.
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Some of each are being released today at CARC at 4:00pm EST. Get there quick if you want a foiled reserve!
Seems a great use for all of the gift certificates that were likely purchased during the Blaine Microsoft deck promotion.
I did not even think about doing that... Crap... I spent longer than I care to admit tuning in my shopping cart to meet $500 as closely as possible.
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Although my latest order of Robusto Classics have not yet arrived, my deck that arrived in late December is still going strong despite the daily abuse I put them through.
They outlast the Classic Finish decks by a fair bit, which in turn outlast any of the present day USPCC decks multifold. So, definitely a long lasting deck!
Here's a question for PCF member's who already have a Reserve deck that they've opened: what's the foil registration like on this one?
Some of the previous EPCC decks that have used foil on card backs (eg. Exquisite Bold, and 52+J deck) have had issues whereby the registration is way off -- as in really noticeable.
In the photos that Anthony posted, the foil registration actually looked close to perfect... but then again, those could have just been carefully selected cards.
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Although my latest order of Robusto Classics have not yet arrived, my deck that arrived in late December is still going strong despite the daily abuse I put them through.
They outlast the Classic Finish decks by a fair bit, which in turn outlast any of the present day USPCC decks multifold. So, definitely a long lasting deck!
Here's a question for PCF member's who already have a Reserve deck that they've opened: what's the foil registration like on this one?
Some of the previous EPCC decks that have used foil on card backs (eg. Exquisite Bold, and 52+J deck) have had issues whereby the registration is way off -- as in really noticeable.
In the photos that Anthony posted, the foil registration actually looked close to perfect... but then again, those could have just been carefully selected cards.
Hi HolyJJ, the registrations of the reserve deck still have more room for improvement, though it is invisible to naked eyes. The only way I can notice it is when I do riffle test.
The other problem I noticed is the foiling quality being uneven.
See the photo I attached, some cards have nice solid foil yet some cards is showing the black dimples.
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Thanks a lot Hank, for the excellent analysis, as well as the photograph which clearly illustrates the point that you have raised. +1 for you brother.
Of course, perfection is definitely what is desired... and it's clearly not there just yet. This will be something to look out for over time.
I do think that the Taiwan factory and EPCC need to get foil application picture perfect, because whilst USPCC's metalluxe technology appears to have the similar registration issues, metalluxe decks do look pretty darn cool.
USPCC don't appear to care about registration though, and so there's (unfortunately) a fair chance that they'll not make any efforts to get it perfect... on the other hand, LPCC and EPCC have made it clear that they want to keep raising the bar with regard to quality. If EPCC do succeed with foil registration, then I'll rate them higher than USPCC for foil. At present, I have it pretty even.
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Received my package :D
4 classic and one reserved 799/1000, so close to 800 :( but still happy with the decks :)