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Jerry Nuggets
« on: October 30, 2011, 10:28:17 AM »
 

Jin Jian

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How much does the jerry nugget reprint cost and is the reprint same as the orginial jerry nugget?? better than it or worse than it
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 10:39:20 AM »
 

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The reprint is worse than normal bicycle deck. It's cheap and printed on a cardboard. They are non-uspcc deck.
If you wanna buy just for the look, then go for it, but don't expect any good handling.
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 10:51:22 AM »
 

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I saw a video somewhere about a fake JN. The fakes were disgusting and flimsy, I would not even bother looking for the reprints or fakes if I were you...just no sense in doing so.
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Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 11:38:55 AM »
 

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Thats actually not true, going around is two types of jerry nugget fakes. One is the flimsy made in china deck which looks like the real thing until you open it to find 52 pieces of I-cant-believe-its-cardboard and the other is a slightly better reprint done in average stock and finish, this one has a bicycle seal.

Either way, no reprint of the JN is going to be better than the real thing as the chemical process which provided the finish is now banned.
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 08:24:53 PM »
 

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Thats actually not true, going around is two types of jerry nugget fakes. One is the flimsy made in china deck which looks like the real thing until you open it to find 52 pieces of I-cant-believe-its-cardboard and the other is a slightly better reprint done in average stock and finish, this one has a bicycle seal.

Either way, no reprint of the JN is going to be better than the real thing as the chemical process which provided the finish is now banned.

Do you know who printed the second type you said?
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 08:32:02 PM »
 

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I'm not sure but the red deck has what appears to be a red bicycle seal, and the blue deck the blue bicycle seal. Whether these decks are legit reprints or fakes I have no idea, they are however of an acceptable quality.
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 12:00:29 AM »
 

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I think reprint and fake means same thing to this Jerry's. I also have a pair of fake jerry, both of them has blue bicycle seal. The quality is not good, worse than a normal bike, but it still can be fanned.
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 01:57:43 AM »
 

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THANKS GUY!! :D lucky i did not buy them
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2012, 11:35:25 PM »
 

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Can someone else shine some light on this topic? I too have seen these reprints on eBay and have heard of the fakes and whatnot. And why was the production process banned? I apologize for all of the questions but ever since I got into collecting everyone I know holds these decks on a pedestal and I'm not exactly sure as to why. I mean, sure they might be of good quality, but aren't hundreds of other decks?
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2012, 12:25:48 AM »
 

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the finish used dangerous chemicals if I remember right.
Do you guys even read this? Like I could have the meaning of life here and I doubt you would know it.
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2012, 01:17:12 AM »
 

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Can someone else shine some light on this topic? I too have seen these reprints on eBay and have heard of the fakes and whatnot. And why was the production process banned? I apologize for all of the questions but ever since I got into collecting everyone I know holds these decks on a pedestal and I'm not exactly sure as to why. I mean, sure they might be of good quality, but aren't hundreds of other decks?

There are rumors to the effect that toxic chemicals were used to make the finish.  I learned that's not really the case.

The deck was made in what I like to call the "golden age" of playing card manufacture.  The technology had advanced to the point that some excellent cards could be created.  This was back when USPCC actually did have different finishes for different decks, and when the embossing of the paper was done AFTER printing, using cotton or linen rollers to create the embossing.  It's where the term "Linen Finish" originally came from.  It's also how Jerry's Nugget decks have an embossed feel on one side, a smooth feel on the other.

The golden age ended maybe a little over a decade later.  USPCC changed owners a number of times following the golden age, and less attention was being focused on quality, while more was focused on making the deck with cheaper processes.  Traditional face-down card cutting was replaced by face-up cutting, making cards more difficult to faro out of the box.  Multiple finishes were eliminated, resulting in the small actual number of finishes today.  Cloth rollers were replaced with steel rollers for applying finish since the lasted much, much longer.  Embossed "finishing" was no longer done in the finish stage, but instead by embossing machines before the paper is printed.  At one time, "Air Cushion Finish" was a legit term, because the air cushioning was applied with the finish by the use of the old cloth rollers.  Today, the term has nothing really to do with the finish anymore - it's just a marketing term.

If the golden age went on forever, cards would still be just as good today as they were back then.  Unfortunately, they would probably also cost considerably more, since no company is willing to eat the increased cost of the supplies needed to manufacture anything.  Imagine something like the typical Bicycle deck - instead of retailing individually for about $3-4 (less in some areas), they might cost more like what we pay for custom decks, perhaps $10 a pack or more.  With other companies shifting to cheaper processes, USPC would end up dying out much like the Betamax videocassette and the analog laserdisc.
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Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2012, 11:29:35 AM »
 

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Thanks Don. These are the type of things I was referring to in my introduction thread. I really appreciate the response.

So there had to have been other decks made like this right? Aren't Jerrys just from one specific casino?
 

Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2012, 12:01:33 PM »
 

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Thanks Don. These are the type of things I was referring to in my introduction thread. I really appreciate the response.

So there had to have been other decks made like this right? Aren't Jerrys just from one specific casino?


There are others - but they're not exactly easy to find, considering that most were sold cheaply, used up and tossed out in the trash.  This deck originally sold for 50¢ a pack in the souvenir shop.
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Re: Jerry Nuggets
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2012, 12:37:51 PM »
 

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But you said is was so expensive to make, why would they be sold for so little?
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2012, 12:49:46 PM »
 

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But you said is was so expensive to make, why would they be sold for so little?
I asked myself this exact same question whilst reading Don's post   :P
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2012, 08:59:24 PM »
 

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But you said is was so expensive to make, why would they be sold for so little?
I asked myself this exact same question whilst reading Don's post   :P


At the time, they weren't expensive.  Over time, the costs of using the processes they were using became more costly, and USPC sought out ways to cut costs.  So, instead of applying finish with cotton rollers that require frequent replacement, they switch to steel rollers that rarely need replacing.  Instead of stocking a half-dozen or more different finishes, they stock only one.  Until Magic Finish came out, they really had just one finish - two of you count the organic-based finish they used on the Eco Edition and a few other decks more recently.


Think about it.  I was born in 1967.  At the time, 87-octane unleaded gasoline was about 25-50¢ a gallon.  When I started driving in my mid-teens, it was about 75-80¢.  In my early twenties, when I first owned my own car, it was closer to $1.00-1.25.  Look at what it costs now: hovering around $4.00.  In the first half of my life, it went up about 300%, in the second half, another 300%, but in the first half, that 300% was only about 75¢, while in the second half, it was $3.00.  I know my salary hasn't increased 300% since then...
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