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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Design & Development => Topic started by: ReaganM on March 16, 2012, 12:51:21 PM
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Hi this is the second part of my playing card development, if I am breaking any rules by posting this please feel free to delete it. The thing is we are discussing a different part of my deck, and sort of having some sort of launch party ( well not really but we are working on the release date.)
Anything here is up for a little change, please give me your opinions
Rewards
Already released check them out here! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1762124010/ultra-ape-poker-playing-cards
Price of the deck
The price im thinking of is 8$ each, including shipping, international buyers will need to pay 4$ extra.
Release date
The cards are at a stage in which I think we could personally release them tommorrow, I have the rest of the art, for court cards, which should be done tommorrow. HOwever I want to sort of have a release party and such so I can have a big start on kickstarter, which will get me up in the pages. How about 3/23/12?
Stock and finish etc.
Well for right know I was thinknig of plastic playing carrds from the guys who printed the archduke eaglebacks. But of course you guys can put this up to criticsm. If I am convinced to move to paper then we will use the famous Quantum grain finish on a 315 gsm cardstock.
art poll
Just for fun I wanted to see peoples opinions of the deck so far, at this point Im not going to do a COMPLETE overhaul of the deck ( meaning change EVERYTHING ), but it would be nice to know.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/lastmonkey.png)
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i would buy this deck you can count me in, when does the kickstarter begin and what stock and finish is your deck going to have .
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i would buy this deck you can count me in, when does the kickstarter begin and what stock and finish is your deck going to have .
Launch date ( for now ) is 3/23/12. I forgot to mention the cards will probably be plastic, from the printers of archduke eaglebacks but that is up to criticism I guess. If I went and used paper it wuld be a 315gsm cardstock with the famous quantum grain finish.
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If you are going to use Archduke playing cards, why does the deck have to cost so much?
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If you are going to use Archduke playing cards, why does the deck have to cost so much?
Well its essentially 5$ plus shipping. But the thing is, we are printing 5000 of these things, + 600$ or so for kickstarter/amazon fees, about 1000$ for shipping to customers, and around 5100$ for all the decks. I could go lower on price, but It would need more people demanding a lower price.
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by plastic do you mean like the bicycle prestige or more different then that deck ?
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by plastic do you mean like the bicycle prestige or more different then that deck ?
He said like the eagle backs but he also said it might change. Make sure you read all the comments above yours before posting as it can answer your questions, sometimes.
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hey, Nathan you should probably take your own advice before opening your mouth and stop spamming everywhere i was here befor you and now you have more post than i do so think about what you post from now on .
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hey, Nathan you should probably take your own advice before opening your mouth and stop spamming everywhere i was here befor you and now you have more post than i do so think about what you post from now on .
As a matter of fact, I joined about 2 months before you. I make more posts, certainly, but you have been voted constantly as spammiest and most likely to get banned. Also I was not attacking, I was just giving you advice. Let's get back on track and respect this thread.
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Unfortunantly, these will not be KEM like bycicle prestige, they will be pvc plastic like all other plastic decks, but the cards will be of high quality and will hopefully match the quality set by KEM ( much like copag did). I trust the guys from archduke, and am sure they will put out some quality plastic cards.
@ nathancanadas : sorry about the confusion I edited my other post, what I meant to say, was platic cards FROM the printers of archduke eaglebacks. However if the cards felt like archdukes I would be very pleased!
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I voted for the "Good" section of the poll. It definitely doesn't look bad... but it doesn't look amazing. Its a cool looking deck but IMO it's nothing compared t what we've been seeing lately (vortex, tendril, artifice, seasons, etc.)
It just needs some more "umpf" to it. There are plenty of people that will like that design and will go and buy it and love it! But its just not a deck that really interests me.
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I voted for the "Good" section of the poll. It definitely doesn't look bad... but it doesn't look amazing. Its a cool looking deck but IMO it's nothing compared t what we've been seeing lately (vortex, tendril, artifice, seasons, etc.)
It just needs some more "umpf" to it. There are plenty of people that will like that design and will go and buy it and love it! But its just not a deck that really interests me.
I feel the same way. I voted for good. I think it a good idea. It has a lot of potential. It's just not a deck I would buy a brick of, if you know what I mean.
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I voted for the "Good" section of the poll. It definitely doesn't look bad... but it doesn't look amazing. Its a cool looking deck but IMO it's nothing compared t what we've been seeing lately (vortex, tendril, artifice, seasons, etc.)
It just needs some more "umpf" to it. There are plenty of people that will like that design and will go and buy it and love it! But its just not a deck that really interests me.
Hopefully the cards will evolve over the course of the project, much like steampunk playing cards did, and they ended up great.
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Unfortunantly, these will not be KEM like bycicle prestige, they will be pvc plastic like all other plastic decks, but the cards will be of high quality and will hopefully match the quality set by KEM ( much like copag did). I trust the guys from archduke, and am sure they will put out some quality plastic cards.
@ nathancanadas : sorry about the confusion I edited my other post, what I meant to say, was platic cards FROM the printers of archduke eaglebacks. However if the cards felt like archdukes I would be very pleased!
Bicycle Prestige are actually printed in Spain by Fournier, not in the US by KEM. Both are divisions of USPC, anyway.
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Are you sure you're going to be OK with that red border on the faces? That is *really* close to the edge and I can't imagine the printer will like that very much. I had to push back my face borders a lot from my initial concept because they needed to make sure the cards could be punched out properly.
Something that bothers me that it took me a day of subconscious thinking about was the the gorilla face card is so terribly flat. The card back has shading and detail and the fact that they don't match makes the face look very "blah." You might try working in some more details and lighting so that the faces have the same impact.
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Hmmm I was thinking of actually changing the monkey on the back and making him look more like the one on the face, something just seems... off about the monkey on the back. I like the simplicity of the face card but again depends on everyone elses opinions.
An idea, that ive tossed around a few times, what If I took the ape heads off? It would make the whole deck look alike because of simplicity I think.
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Hmmm I was thinking of actually changing the monkey on the back and making him look more like the one on the face, something just seems... off about the monkey on the back. I like the simplicity of the face card but again depends on everyone elses opinions.
An idea, that ive tossed around a few times, what If I took the ape heads off? It would make the whole deck look alike because of simplicity I think.
A few thoughts:
If you remove the monkeys, this deck loses everything that made it distinctive - it would be little different than any other deck used for poker, and thus just as interesting or exciting as a pack of standard Bikes. Even exceptional paper and finish might not be enough - people can't see paper or finish on a computer monitor, but they can see your designs.
Get rid of the outside frame on the faces. It serves no purpose and hinders more than it helps.
Your indices are way too small. If you're going for standard indices only and you want to see your deck in the US, lose the right-corner indices. They would only appeal to the ~5% of the population that's left-handed.
The flat gorilla art on the faces looks better than the 3D art on the back - stick with the 2D appearance.
I've never before seen a pin-striped fedora that matches one's suit! If you want a "roaring '20s/speakeasy/gangster" look to your face cards, stick to the standards of that era - fedoras were generally brown, grey, black or (if you wanted to look flashy) white. Perhaps you could get away with a dark green or a navy, but justify the reason - have the character wearing the same color suit, or shirt at the least. They'd all have wide hatbands either the same color as the hat or darker - brown and black were the most common. Some would fancy it up a bit and have a small feather or two stuck in the band's bow.
You know my preference regarding the appearance of the card backs. But if you're aiming seriously at the poker crowd, a solid color is good. Just consider something other than black - it makes your artwork look like it's being sucked into a black hole.
While I know you're planning to make two different colors on the back borders, you may want to alter the shade more than just the colors - poker decks are generally distinctively different colors from each other, the most common ones being red, blue, brown or green. The reason for this is to reduce the chances of a card from one deck accidentally ending up in the other. Different border colors, in my opinion, aren't enough by themselves. An example of bad design along these lines would be the COPAG EPOC deck (all black backs, marginally different red and white patterns between them - http://www.pokerchiplounge.com/playing-cards/100-plastic-playing-cards/copag-playing-cards/bridge-size-copag/bridge-size-copag-jumbo-index/copag-bridge-size-jumbo-index-EPOC-black-set-up.html) and the KEM WPT deck (colored in black and grey, making them hard to tell apart from each other - http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-11171180798419_2197_62454253).
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Ok I was just presented an offer by rajas paranjpe, about using a new finish he developed, it is expensive though, at close to 3$ each not to mention, I could craete a custom leather case for those who pledge with us. ( Im thinking making it our 50$ teir )
Here is his discription of the finish.
"The faces are are obtained in such a way as if it appears as spot lamination(they are not printed). Even the sides are black.
Yes the cards feel and snap like plastic. They faro with ease and come out of the weave easily.Extremely Sharp edges even after multiple faros.
They spring really well and tend to retain the shape of the cards for longer period than regular paper cards.
This particular finish looks great with black decks. We have developed this finish which adds mico granules on top of paper which one can feel it easily by rubbing finger tips.
They appear to be rough at first glance but people get surprised when they slide at ease.
You can launch a true luxury line of cards with this unique finish.
There are plenty of brands who are making same quality decks but with different designs or alias finish names."
These are just some excerpts from a pm and I got his permission to use them.
The only problem is though, is that Id have to push the price up 1 or 2$ each deck. These are paper cards btw.
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It sounds promising, I'd be a little concerned about the durability of the ink on the cards though, it makes it seem like the cards are plastic sheets that have the images silk screened onto them.
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Nope, they are paper cards, just with extremely good handling and durability close to a plastic card. I am a bit concerned that people wont like the "feel" of the cards, because they are supposed to feel a bit like plastic.
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Nope, they are paper cards, just with extremely good handling and durability close to a plastic card. I am a bit concerned that people wont like the "feel" of the cards, because they are supposed to feel a bit like plastic.
If he can produce a black card with a BLACK EDGE... Wow. That would be a game changer for people creating black decks.
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What you guy think about this guy for a joker?
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What you guy think about this guy for a joker?
Looks like he'll be pretty cute. You can have fun with a joker - go for it.
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From what I can see the joker looks nice. However the contrast between the lines and the white paper make him very hard to see!
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Ahem what you guys think about this?
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/finalfullrezcopy.png)
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That looks pretty good, I like the new back and the King looks really good.
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Well here is another I took off the dots because I think they were kinda lame what you guys think is better?
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/finalfullrez2.png)
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I am sufficiently impressed with how this deck is improving. I love what you've done with the faces, and the new back is pretty astounding. I actually like the dots on the back, I think it gives it a very majestic look. As far as the king is concerned, try using some darker greys on the ape, I think the contrast isn't strong enough. For the ape on the back, he reminds me a little of a bad photoshop with low color resolution, but it think that's really just the yellow outline around it. If the thin yellow outline around the ape on the back were gone, I think he would look less like a cutout and more like a really cool poster child for badass class.
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What if I just added some gold lines like so. These are sketch lines the artist left over on the psd file... I think but I thought they looked cool.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/finalfullrez3.png)
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I like the first two more than the original, but I like the first back better. Maybe it's just that the style of the apes was more consistent.
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I like the first two more than the original, but I like the first back better. Maybe it's just that the style of the apes was more consistent.
Sorry but your going to have to clarify this post a little bit. When you say you like the first two better than the original, the first two being the first two backs ever, or the first two out of the ones I posted? Then you make it more confusing by saying you like the first one better lol.
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I like this everything here much better just a couple points:
1) Will the printer be able to make the lines with enough detail?
2) Can you center the pips on the non-court cards more (they seem too close to the wiggly border design)?
3) I love the King.
4) For the back design I think everything is better except for the two ape faces in the center. I liked the old faces better.
5) Wow. This is making a lot of progress! Good luck!
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I like this everything here much better just a couple points:
1) Will the printer be able to make the lines with enough detail?
2) Can you center the pips on the non-court cards more (they seem too close to the wiggly border design)?
3) I love the King.
4) For the back design I think everything is better except for the two ape faces in the center. I liked the old faces better.
5) Wow. This is making a lot of progress! Good luck!
Just talked to Rajas
1) Their state of the art equipment would have no trouble with the fine details
2) Well think about it
3)Thanks lol
4) Not many people liked the previous faces, I think these are just as good if not better. However we will be making it so they look a bit less "photoshoped" in.
5) Thanks again.
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I like this everything here much better just a couple points:
1) Will the printer be able to make the lines with enough detail?
2) Can you center the pips on the non-court cards more (they seem too close to the wiggly border design)?
3) I love the King.
4) For the back design I think everything is better except for the two ape faces in the center. I liked the old faces better.
5) Wow. This is making a lot of progress! Good luck!
Just talked to Rajas
1) Their state of the art equipment would have no trouble with the fine details
2) Well think about it
3)Thanks lol
4) Not many people liked the previous faces, I think these are just as good if not better. However we will be making it so they look a bit less "photoshoped" in.
5) Thanks again.
I think the head of the drawn King would be an excellent compromise between the two. The 3D ape on the back was a little off-putting to some, and this new ape barely looks like an ape. I noticed the whole new back is two colors, yellow and black - can you create a drawn ape in four colors?
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Hmm interesting Idea Don. Using the kings head might make a good back.
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Hmm interesting Idea Don. Using the kings head might make a good back.
Remember, I get a design consultant credit on the deck now!
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Hmm interesting Idea Don. Using the kings head might make a good back.
Remember, I get a design consultant credit on the deck now!
Of course, when I get back from work ill put it on kickstarter somewhere, and Itll find a more permanant place on my website as well. I could even put it on an ad card or something but I think maybe thats a bit over the top. I will also give credit to these forums.
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Lets just continue the discussion here. Here is the joker
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That joker looks pretty badass, Are you going to work a reveal into it with the card it is chewing on? Also if I pledge for 2 decks can I get 2 gold? I dont really like the silver but really like the gold.
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That joker is hysterical, and in the best possible way! I love it! ROTFLMAO...
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The jokr looks really great but is the perspective a bit off on the box he's holding? It seems sunken into the hand to me...
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That joker looks pretty badass, Are you going to work a reveal into it with the card it is chewing on? Also if I pledge for 2 decks can I get 2 gold? I dont really like the silver but really like the gold.
Yup you can certainly do that.
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Dude, I actually thought this project was hopeless back when you first started, but I have to take back everything negative I said then. I actually REALLY like where it's going now. If that design is final, count me in. ;)
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Reagan's biggest plus, besides some artistic talent, is that he listens to people, takes their suggestions, sifts through them and incorporates what he feels are the best ones into his work. I don't always agree with every choice he makes, but I do see a definite trend of improvement with every new version of his decks. (It's easy to say that about someone's artistic choices when I'm not even an artist, isn't it? :)) )
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Reagan's biggest plus, besides some artistic talent, is that he listens to people, takes their suggestions, sifts through them and incorporates what he feels are the best ones into his work. I don't always agree with every choice he makes, but I do see a definite trend of improvement with every new version of his decks. (It's easy to say that about someone's artistic choices when I'm not even an artist, isn't it? :)) )
At first I thought "Oh god... another hideous deck", and now I see you are talking all our feedback into consideration and this is making considerable progress. Are you going to reveal the court cards as time goes by or what...?
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Reagan's biggest plus, besides some artistic talent, is that he listens to people, takes their suggestions, sifts through them and incorporates what he feels are the best ones into his work. I don't always agree with every choice he makes, but I do see a definite trend of improvement with every new version of his decks. (It's easy to say that about someone's artistic choices when I'm not even an artist, isn't it? :)) )
At first I thought "Oh god... another hideous deck", and now I see you are talking all our feedback into consideration and this is making considerable progress. Are you going to reveal the court cards as time goes by or what...?
Yup, although the other court cards will be tough, right now we are working on the queen.
@Don Boyer & Moon.exe : thanks for the kind comments, it means a lot to me. Especially now, the deck is struggling and from what people have told me its because of the subject ( who cares about apes as to steampunk ), and not really because of the art.
I think Ill try posting on some forums related to cigars etc. Maybe places that are obssesed with monkies? Im sure they exist on the internet somewhere.
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Well here is what is possibly the jack, I thought the queen would get done first but oh well. Also If you havnt noticed there is no red line around the border that lets the pips stary closer to the edge.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/jack-1.png)
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Well here is what is possibly the jack, I thought the queen would get done first but oh well. Also If you havnt noticed there is no red line around the border that lets the pips stary closer to the edge.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/jack-1.png)
While im not too keen on weapons are war, this court card really fits the ape and aggressive theme of the deck. But then you might have to make the ape heads on the back of the cards look a bit madder.
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I actually really liked the red borders you had, it gave the faces a unique feel and made the red pattern in the middle look a little more consistent.
As for the jack, I think the belly looks too big. I mean, imagine the ape drawn completely, behind the line of the gun - it would be ridiculously huge if you continued that curve. And as I remember Don mentioning in the first thread, it's not very soldier-like. Those guys are as hard as rock. ::)
You might also wanna work more on the gun, it looks a little too vague if you know what I mean.
One more thing, the pips look like they need more work too. I can see signs of cropping or whatever you did to it.
Besides that, it's looking great so far. ;)
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I saw you mentioned a "leather box" on your kickstarter. Any details?
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well here is about what it will look like... probably. This is a pic from the manufacturer.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/leather_box.jpg)
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well here is about what it will look like... probably. This is a pic from the manufacturer.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/leather_box.jpg)
Which kind of leather will it be? Genuine leather? Also who will be the manufacturer?
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well here is about what it will look like... probably. This is a pic from the manufacturer.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/leather_box.jpg)
Which kind of leather will it be? Genuine leather? Also who will be the manufacturer?
Im not sure of the kind of leather I will ask rajas, but he is the one who will be making these as well.
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well here is about what it will look like... probably. This is a pic from the manufacturer.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/leather_box.jpg)
Which kind of leather will it be? Genuine leather? Also who will be the manufacturer?
Im not sure of the kind of leather I will ask rajas, but he is the one who will be making these as well.
I pledged for some of these decks, I like the theme and I've followed the developement of this deck. ReagonM will you be selling the leather cases separate at a later date?
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well here is about what it will look like... probably. This is a pic from the manufacturer.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/leather_box.jpg)
Which kind of leather will it be? Genuine leather? Also who will be the manufacturer?
Im not sure of the kind of leather I will ask rajas, but he is the one who will be making these as well.
I pledged for some of these decks, I like the theme and I've followed the developement of this deck. ReagonM will you be selling the leather cases separate at a later date?
Yes we will be prinitng a lot of these ( if it gets funded lets hope ) so we will be selling them after the fact for I think 10$ each case.
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well here is about what it will look like... probably. This is a pic from the manufacturer.
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/zabolord/leather_box.jpg)
Which kind of leather will it be? Genuine leather? Also who will be the manufacturer?
Im not sure of the kind of leather I will ask rajas, but he is the one who will be making these as well.
It's probably a genuine hide, but I kind of doubt it's from a cow or a bull. Cows are sacred in India, aren't they? Could be pigskin or some other animal...
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Well we should have a prototype deck around a week before the project ends so you guys can see just how great it handles!
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Well we should have a prototype deck around a week before the project ends so you guys can see just how great it handles!
You haven't answered my question... do you know what material the boxes will be out of? Also will they fit the deck in its box or are they just to display one or two cards?
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Well we should have a prototype deck around a week before the project ends so you guys can see just how great it handles!
You haven't answered my question... do you know what material the boxes will be out of? Also will they fit the deck in its box or are they just to display one or two cards?
I just got in touch with rajas, it is genuine leather. Also the whole deck will fit in the box.
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Ok so I thought Id continue this little argument with bmpokerworld and others here.
No I have actually handled them and I am not impressed. In fact if they were so good, I would have people clamoring for me to stock them which has not happened. I do not make wild allegations about products without first hand knowledge. The real point was he is, in my opinion, making an inferior deck and criticizing someone's deck in the process.
Too many times, too many people ignore the facts and just plain lie on this forum to suit their own needs. Perfect example yesterday Nathancards says" he is printing 5000 at $1.50 per deck is his cost. Where does he come up with that number? Under ReaganM' Stage 2 post, he clearly states the decks are costing him $5100 for all the decks. So last time I went to school, $5100 for 5000 decks is about a $1.00 per deck and no where near $1.50 per deck. So lets do the math shall we?
Take the median price per deck which is $8.00, $8.00 x 5000= $40,000
Cost for decks - $5100
Postage (including label) and bubble wrap -$6562.50
Kick starter fees & amazon fees 15% ($40,000 x 15%) -$6,000
Total Profit $22,337.50
Will he see all that profit right away? Probably not. But make no mistake, he is not using Brahma for any other reason other than they are the cheapest. So I am not sure why you keep defending that there is some other reason. He knows nothing about playing cards. When he initially posted, he said he could get Kem made for $5.00 per deck. When he was told he was incorrect, did he say, oh I just thought that is what they would be? No he said " I been down this road before and I know how much they cost". Well clearly he hasn't. He has no idea what quality is, just look this post:
"Unfortunantly, these will not be KEM like bycicle prestige"
He doesn't even have a clue that Kem and Bicycle prestige are 2 completely different animals. But yet you keep defending the reason he is using Brahma despite the fact that clearly he can not tell the difference between one deck of cards to another and despite that he already stated why he bought the decks; "Because he got a better deal" period. Those are his words not mine.
He clearly is only worried about the money and that is it. If he wasn't he would sell them for less. Keep defending him despite that there is no proof to your point of view and clearly substantial proof for my point of view. What is that proof? His own posts.
Thanks!
Ill try to adress all these concerns in one post.
1. you dont like the decks thats fine. But a lot of people consider them the best.
2. The cost with 5100$ was the cost for the quantum grain finish decks, I I messed up when I posted that. I have the quote and the cards will be around 1.50$
3. You say I am only in it for the money because I went for a cheaper deck ( which I believe to be of great quality ) which is slightly cheaper than 20$+ kems.... hmmm.... Yeah Maybe I jumped the gun a little bit I thought the kems would be around 5$ based on the few manufactureres Ive dealt with, oops.
4. But I am cheap because I could have gone for plastic, well the cards and finish I chose behave like plastic are as durable as plastic and yet are paper and flourish like a god, how cool is that.
5. I was also misinformed about the kem and bicycle prestige thing. I was led to beleive that bicycle bought kem and so bicycle prestige decks were just kems with a bicycle back.
6. Also If I was only in it for the money, why the hell would I spend so much time on this deck? Why spend so much time preforming minute tweaks?
Unfortuanantly though when I started this project It looked like it would succeed ( first day got 600 bucks not bad ) but when these arguments started popping up The project flatlined. Im going to have a lot of work ahead of me to try and see it succeed now.
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Ill try to adress all these concerns in one post.
1. you dont like the decks thats fine. But a lot of people consider them the best.
2. The cost with 5100$ was the cost for the quantum grain finish decks, I I messed up when I posted that. I have the quote and the cards will be around 1.50$
3. You say I am only in it for the money because I went for a cheaper deck ( which I believe to be of great quality ) which is slightly cheaper than 20$+ kems.... hmmm.... Yeah Maybe I jumped the gun a little bit I thought the kems would be around 5$ based on the few manufactureres Ive dealt with, oops.
4. But I am cheap because I could have gone for plastic, well the cards and finish I chose behave like plastic are as durable as plastic and yet are paper and flourish like a god, how cool is that.
5. I was also misinformed about the kem and bicycle prestige thing. I was led to beleive that bicycle bought kem and so bicycle prestige decks were just kems with a bicycle back.
6. Also If I was only in it for the money, why the hell would I spend so much time on this deck? Why spend so much time preforming minute tweaks?
Unfortuanantly though when I started this project It looked like it would succeed ( first day got 600 bucks not bad ) but when these arguments started popping up The project flatlined. Im going to have a lot of work ahead of me to try and see it succeed now.
1) Your are delusional if you think anyone thinks they are the best. Please provide names
2) Funny how you constantly make mistakes. Shows your incompetency.
3) Who have you dealt with? You have one other poor quality deck previously funded.
4) How do you know since you do not have any samples yet?
5) More incompetency
6) The arguments have nothing to do with why your not getting funding.
Again here we go about how much time you have spent. Even if they cost another $.50, (which I don't believe because you can not seem to tell the truth), that would be only $2500 less profit and you still have not answered the question as to why you are charging the same amount of money as a USPCC deck when you are paying way less.
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I just posted this on UC, but it bears repeating here:
ReaganM wrote:
Also on the point of the cards quality I do beleive them to be the best, and in all fairness they arnt that much less expensive than uspcc at 5000 decks, not much at all.
My reply:
We have different definitions of "cheaper" and "best".
Rajas and Bhrama make good cards for the price, there is no denying that. You keep saying 'many people' think these cards are better than USPCC, who exactly are these people?
Dont tell people you aren't going to make a profit off these, I sold my Brimstone deck (Bicycle made) for $5.00 and I turned a profit. The average price of the Americana deck was under $6 on KS, you are selling a cheaper deck for more money. I don't have a problem with that, but don't play coy about the money.
Just stop making declarative blanket-statements concerning the quality and 'people's' opinion on it.
Regardless of what I think of the design, I do not want to see you fail. People criticized my designs but I only listened so far, it was my designs and my dream. Realistically though, not all efforts will succeed; be it bad design choices or poor marketing, some designs just fail.