Pelted Primacy Card Deck - Ready for PRE-ORDER! (4th try-KS)

[Don Boyer]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1304023141/pelted-primacy-playing-card-deck

I think Collector's featured this deck in a prior incarnation on his blog.

There's one glaring problem with this deck.  The designer set the deck's reward tier at FIFTY BUCKS!  WTF?!?

Here's the best part - he says they will be printed by the "Bicycle Playing Card Company" and believes that they'll print batches as low as 100 decks.  I'm betting he hasn't even attempted to contact USPC yet - or even knows that there is no such company as the Bicycle Playing Card Company!

Despite his insanely low goal, I can't see this thing succeeding.  And what happens if he gets less than one hundred deck backers, but more than the twenty-eight deck backers he'd need to reach his goal?  "Oh, sorry guys, not enough to print!"

The art may be very nice, but the planning is nucking futz from the word "go".  It hasn't even been in the oven long enough to be considered half-baked!  If this guy does hit his goal and not much more and even as few as one backer opted to pay that princely sum for a deck, it's going to blow up in his face; he can't possibly deliver.

EDIT: ...and the back is pretty boring for someone capable of making art like this...it's practically generic...

[BastianBJ]

Just read about the project... found this:

"And while I am sure the company and their customers would love my deck design, I just can't afford their charges, as they require a minimum deck number order of 100 decks and a hefty startup fee, and that doesn't include the change in price of each deck and the additional startup fees included with adding the custom tuckboxes to the decks."

He's talking about Bicycle (or USPCC, I guess) who requires a minimum run of 100 decks, could that be true?

[Don Boyer]

Just read about the project... found this:

"And while I am sure the company and their customers would love my deck design, I just can't afford their charges, as they require a minimum deck number order of 100 decks and a hefty startup fee, and that doesn't include the change in price of each deck and the additional startup fees included with adding the custom tuckboxes to the decks."

He's talking about Bicycle (or USPCC, I guess) who requires a minimum run of 100 decks, could that be true?

Highly unlikely.  Even if it was - FIFTY BUCKS A DECK??  That's in the ballpark of, what, DOUBLE what they charge for "personalized" decks, which they now appear to be doing exclusively through Zazzle?  Unless the cards were made purely of .999 silver, I don't think you'd get a lot of takers.  The two he has now are probably his mom and dad.

The guy thinks the "Bicycle Playing Card Company" is going to print this - which tells me he hasn't said a word to USPC to figure out the proper costs and minimums.  If he has, it went in one ear and out the other, zero traction in-between.  The fact that he considers fifty dollars a viable price for any pack of playing cards, least of all a pack from someone who's never made a deck before and has indices that run half the length of the card edge, means he's quite a few cards short of a full deck.

I don't even know if he can structure a tier so that maybe you get a reward, maybe you don't.  Everything about this project is sideways and pear-shaped, right out of the gate.  As far as investing, I'd consider it as wise as betting on the one-legged man at the butt-kicking contest.

[BiggerDee]

5 Backers, $196 pledged, cancelled. Why am I not surprised?

[Michael]

5 Backers, $196 pledged, cancelled. Why am I not surprised?

At least that'll save all of us the pain of this deck. The courts are very nicely designed. The indices are just plain ugly to me (I'm not a fan of "Jumbo" indices). Oh well. Maybe the creator will come back with a fully thought out project after doing more research.

[Soliloquy]

I have a feeling he'll be back.

[Collector]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1304023141/pelted-primacy-playing-card-deck

I think Collector's featured this deck in a prior incarnation on his blog...

Do you mean this? http://twitter.com/CardsCollector/statuses/230354148816719872
I am not sure that the author is the same and I think those are better than these.

$50?  He is very imaginative. We should respect that.  

[Don Boyer]

5 Backers, $196 pledged, cancelled. Why am I not surprised?

Because it violated the Kickstarter TOS?    I'll be glad to drop that steaming pile from the NDR...

[MrMollusk]

When I saw this topic and the pictures, I almost had an aneurysm.
Thank god it was cancelled.

[Don Boyer]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1304023141/pelted-primacy-playing-card-deck

I think Collector's featured this deck in a prior incarnation on his blog...

Do you mean this? http://twitter.com/CardsCollector/statuses/230354148816719872
I am not sure that the author is the same and I think those are better than these.

$50?  He is very imaginative. We should respect that.

Ah, that's the one - that one is MUCH better than P.P.  It could have been printed on toilet paper and it still would have been better!

I have a feeling he'll be back.

Please, let's hope not!  Aren't there enough clueless projects on KS?  More wheat, less chaff! 

I'm still scratching my head over what delusions of grandeur this guy was having when he decided that fifty bucks American was a good price for this pack of playing cards he made with some no-name print shop and looks like it belongs at a furry con...

[GBAllison]

This project has been restarted.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/djkyota/pelted-primacy-limited-edition-playing-cards

Single deck price is $12 (down from $50). Still says it will be USPCC. Funding goal is $12,500. The new (?) back is two-way. The indices are still very hard to use in a card game. The courts are still one-way. The artwork seems identical.

In the text, the project creator says the price per deck is actually $12.01 (so he can keep track of how many decks you ordered).  The text has a whole bunch of rules. I couldn't figure them out, although I'll admit I wasn't really motivated.

[Don Boyer]

Technically, I'd wager his project's current structure violates a number of different KS rules.  If his reward says $12, it's $12, not $12.01 - he can charge what he pleases for add-ons.

The fact that he's only allowing decks as add-ons and charges $10 extra for international shipping on a single deck doesn't bode well for this design.

[GBAllison]

Technically, I'd wager his project's current structure violates a number of different KS rules.  If his reward says $12, it's $12, not $12.01 - he can charge what he pleases for add-ons.

Like I said, it's thoroughly confusing (to me at least).  He has a chart that shows the pricing for "multiple rewards" and of course the first price shown is for a single deck.  But just before that he says that if you're only ordering one deck, then don't use this chart.  What?  And then if you want two decks ... oh it just gets worse and worse.

I'm confused by his rules.  I'm confused by his deck.  And if this succeeds while Sishou fails, I will be stunned.  (Not for the first time, I guess.)

[Alex Willis]

His business acumen aside, I don't hate this deck.  I'm also not into cutsey animal footprints, but theres some that like that design.  It appears to be an art deck so the one way court cards are nice in that respect.  If I were making an animal card game I can see this deck being useful for small children who like oversized indices.  And I like his tuckbox artwork, it's cute.  Unfortuantely, i don't buy 'cute' so I'm not going to be #9 on his list of $12.01 pledgers.  By the way, why the add on at full price?  No discount for buying multiple decks?  Am i wrong to incentivise people to buy more than one by offering a buck or two off for add-ons?

I 'like' the deck.  Not enough to buy it and I definitely am uncertain how much work he put into the planning of launching this with USPCC.  $12,500 seems like an awfully big number.  He should be asking for pledges to cover his cost, the extra decks is where he should plan on making his profits or if he manages to make over his goal he can earn some early retail sales there.  If I were a betting man on this project succeeding, I'd bet my pet rat terrier (God I hope I lose).

[Don Boyer]

The way he wrote the entire home page, you get the impression that he's never seen a KS project page before.  All those goofball restrictions - he's trying to make the project easier for him, but in the process made it too confusing for his potential backers.  Confused potential backers equals very few backers...

[Kingreaper]

I wish this guy had some clue what he was doing, because I've got a couple of furry, poker-loving, friends who would really appreciate anthro playing cards.

Aside from the kickstarter being badly set up the fact that all four suits have the toe-dots exactly the same is disappointing, and makes them look too similar. Making them look like paw prints from different species (ie. wolf on one, cat on another) would make it easier to tell apart. You wouldn't even need four kinds, just wolves and cats would do (red and black makes it easy to visually distinguish anyway)

[MrMollusk]

I've got a couple of furry, poker-loving, friends who would really appreciate anthro playing cards.

lolwut

But that aside, I can't make heads or tails of this deck.

The Kickstarter page is a mess of weird and impossible policies, the court cards are all one way, the indices are obscenely large, the pips are lazily done and uninspired, and I don't think the back design meshes with the theme of "high class animals".

If there were some glaring issues he would fix (both with the page and the actual deck) it could be kinda cool.

[Don Boyer]

I've got a couple of furry, poker-loving, friends who would really appreciate anthro playing cards.

lolwut

But that aside, I can't make heads or tails of this deck.

The Kickstarter page is a mess of weird and impossible policies, the court cards are all one way, the indices are obscenely large, the pips are lazily done and uninspired, and I don't think the back design meshes with the theme of "high class animals".

If there were some glaring issues he would fix (both with the page and the actual deck) it could be kinda cool.

What he really needs to do is to hire a consultant - someone like me, for instance... 

[MrMollusk]

I've got a couple of furry, poker-loving, friends who would really appreciate anthro playing cards.

lolwut

But that aside, I can't make heads or tails of this deck.

The Kickstarter page is a mess of weird and impossible policies, the court cards are all one way, the indices are obscenely large, the pips are lazily done and uninspired, and I don't think the back design meshes with the theme of "high class animals".

If there were some glaring issues he would fix (both with the page and the actual deck) it could be kinda cool.

What he really needs to do is to hire a consultant - someone like me, for instance... 

For a hefty fee, I imagine. 

[Rob Wright]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/djkyota/pelted-primacy-playing-card-deck-0

aaaaaaaaand now a third try- new on KS

12,000 goal, USPCC-

This guys numbers are whack. 1 deck=$12($10 early bird), no 2 deck level, next level is 1 deck and uncut sheet=$60

I do kinda like the new back.

[MrMollusk]

2 way courts
Stylized pips
New Back

Infinitely better. Still not up my ally, but you have to commend him for fixing what needed to be fixed. Although, I think the back might be a bit over the top. It's SUPER busy.

[Don Boyer]

I do kinda like the new back.

That looks exceptionally intricate.  There's a solid chance that there's too much detail in there for the USPC presses to handle on playing cards.  Just because a deck back looks fantastic on the computer screen, doesn't mean that the printing press will make it look exactly the same way.  Too little contrast will turn a design muddy (see Bicycle Venom, Bicycle Venom Strike), too much detail will simply get lost in the translation to paper.

[Collector]

IMHO:

- "+1" to Don's comment. A test print will be necessary;

- smaller pips;

- more strokes on court cards (like on engravings) to make them less childlike;

- pictures (sorry for this vandalism).

Good luck.

[Rob Wright]

.....................4th try!
Pelted Primacy Card Deck - Ready for PRE-ORDER!

[PurpleIce]

Gotta give this guy some respect. At least he doesn't give up.

Now using MPC as printer instead of USPC, and i'm wondering why does he put "Pre-Order" when it is a crown funding project.