Author (Read 4390 times)

NathanCanadas · « **on:** February 26, 2012, 08:33:34 PM »

Wow, here's a huge bunch of rare decks. If you are looking for a way to spend a couple thousand, here is the link to the bid:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/bicycle-playing-cards-ellusionist-and-dnd-huge-lot-/140711575975?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c31041a7
Good luck!

xZEROx · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2012, 08:42:52 PM »

Lol I guess someone's quitting.
I really don't like these bids with reserves. I'd rather have a high minimum bid than reserves...

dmbaggs · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2012, 09:04:39 PM »

Wow that's a ton of decks! Although I don't like the idea of buying a whole bunch like that at once. For me half the fun is slowly building up my collection and having a story for each deck. If you grab a deck off my shelf I can usually tell the story of how I got it or why it's important to me. Buying a collection just wouldn't be as special for me.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2012, 12:59:46 AM »

Strangely enough, I own all but about ten of the decks he listed for sale...

It's good for a beginning collector with deep pockets seeking a jumpstart, I guess.

That whole "reserve" thing on the bidding just made zero sense to me. Wave a carrot in my face, start accepting offers at X, but you don't sell it until you've received a bid of at least X+Y or the auction ends, whichever is first? Just state the minimum you'll accept and get it over with. I've seen items sell and resell over and over because the reserves were set too high. You give a REAL minimum bid request, then people know what you really want - why make them guess?

Linguist_ · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2012, 02:20:23 AM »

Wow, I wouldn't like to be the postman that delivers this and the recipient doesn't answer the door.

While I'd have absolutely no interest in buying these even if I was in the US, the listing is useful for making a list of decks to get!

I'll bookmark only to see how much it goes for in the end. It'd be good to have an idea how much relief my family will get in the future when I die and they can say 'finally, we can get rid of those bloody cards'.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2012, 03:07:20 AM »

Quote from: Linguist_ on February 27, 2012, 02:20:23 AM

Wow, I wouldn't like to be the postman that delivers this and the recipient doesn't answer the door.

While I'd have absolutely no interest in buying these even if I was in the US, the listing is useful for making a list of decks to get!

I'll bookmark only to see how much it goes for in the end. It'd be good to have an idea how much relief my family will get in the future when I die and they can say 'finally, we can get rid of those bloody cards'.

Yeah, but they'll probably just toss them in the trash! How many senior citizens could retire today if their mothers didn't throw away the comic books they read as children...

Lara Krystle "Lane" · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:50:20 AM »

Whoa thats a lot of cards. Sadly to say I have no idea what bidding is in Ebay. ^_^ hahahahah!

Linguist_ · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2012, 10:50:36 AM »

Quote from: Lara "Krystle" Lane on February 27, 2012, 07:50:20 AM

Whoa thats a lot of cards. Sadly to say I have no idea what bidding is in Ebay. ^_^ hahahahah!

Basically, the person who has bid the most amount of money when the time runs out wins the auction and is obligated to pay the amount they bid.

There's two main ways to approach the bidding. Either set yourself a limit and say that no matter what happens you wouldn't pay more than that and then place that bid at any time. This way, you don't get caught up in the heat of the moment and end up paying much more than you had wanted to. However, this method relies on you placing a higher bid than anyone else wants to. But it does discourage the people looking for a cheap bargain.

The more common method is to wait until the auction only has a few minutes left. Open two windows with the auction in and use one to bid and use the other to spam F5 (refresh webpage) to see what others are bidding. You'll see the number of bids rocket in these last moments and if you are quick enough you can edge the highest bidder at the very last moment and win. The risks are obvious - you need to be quick and it can be glitchy, and it's easy to bid more money than it's worth.

The other way is when you bid a bit higher than the person before you. But I think that way is least efficient as you are just driving the price upwards and giving the auction lots of attention.

So, just now that is at $305 with over a day left. My guess is that if you look again when it has an hour left that number and the number of bids will be a lot more. There's over 260 decks there, quite a number of them rare so I wouldn't be surpised to see it go for $3,000. Potentially a lot more if there is a bidding war between a couple of people who are desperate to get rid of their money!

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:18:22 AM »

I expect this to end in the 5,000s. I currently don't own most of these decks, but (obviously) won't be bidding. I actually think that the "reserve" is great, it allows people to start this auction with small bids, building momentum, while the seller is sure that he won't loose a lot of his money...

Russell CircleCityCards · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:32:30 AM »

I just put a bid in for $666 and it wat auto bided higher. I'm just testing the waters on this one, I want to find out the reserve.

digipunk · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:58:30 AM »

@sxjy0109 and @Nathan, if you were the sellers, I would not bid your items

I only bid on auctions with reasonably low starting prices or acceptable BIN prices. Please remember: buyers would like to pay the amount of money that they want, instead of the amount of money that sellers want.

When a seller sets a high starting price or reserve, the worst case is no one places a bid on it or the reserve isn't met. In other words, he have the chance to get high price, but he doesn't give buyers a chance to win it with low price. Clearly, this is an unfair game.

I've observed this interesting phenomenon for a period of time: if a seller lists his GN with starting price of $0.99 without reserve, the end price often goes to $90-110. If he lists the item with starting price of $80, it ends with no bidder.

.

xZEROx · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:10:49 PM »

Lol why not?
But no it's not mine. I'd wish I have so many rare decks to spare. I still love this hobby and probably won't sell my whole collection any time soon. Maybe a few decks every now and then to get some extra cash. But not the whole lot.

Linguist_ · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2012, 01:14:10 PM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 27, 2012, 11:58:30 AM

@sxjy0109 and @Nathan, if you were the sellers, I would not bid your items

I only bid on auctions with reasonably low starting prices or acceptable BIN prices. Please remember: buyers would like to pay the amount of money that they want, instead of the amount of money that sellers want.

When a seller sets a high starting price or reserve, the worst case is no one places a bid on it or the reserve isn't met. In other words, he have the chance to get high price, but he doesn't give buyers a chance to win it with low price. Clearly, this is an unfair game.

I've observed this interesting phenomenon for a period of time: if a seller lists his GN with starting price of $0.99 without reserve, the end price often goes to $90-110. If he lists the item with starting price of $80, it ends with no bidder.

I guess that it's fair enough if it's $100 at stake, but there's thousands of dollars worth here. While the seller can probably guess that only serious bidders will bid on such a large haul, it's still probably safer to know that you will get at least what these decks are worth. Personally, I'd prefer that was done with a starting bid that reflects the price of the items rather than a reserve, but it's their own auction and their own cards.

I've had experience of scammers bidding on my own goods and it's just not worth it.

Russell CircleCityCards · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2012, 03:09:44 PM »

it just broke $1000

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2012, 03:22:27 PM »

I wouldn't put a reserve on small sales, but here, if the seller doesn't, he could loose thousands! He can't afford to not put one! And anyways, I only own about 5 or 6 of the decks he is selling!

Russell CircleCityCards · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2012, 05:39:28 PM »

Ohh, the reserve is $2400... I asked the seller. It sounds a bit high, not crazy, but a bit higher than I want to go.

Evan · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2012, 06:40:24 PM »

Thats a lot of decks! It seems worth the amount though. Is this guy selling his collection?

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2012, 07:12:48 PM »

@MagicAddictz - No, I don't think so. I don't think he would have so many sealed decks and duplicates in his collection if he weren't planning on reselling them.
@Russel - I still think that 2,400$ is still a very VERY good deal for all of those cards!!!!!

phantom1412 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 27, 2012, 08:44:04 PM »

The seller should sell those separately, even if the cards worth more than 2400$, but no one gonna drop 2400$ worth of money at once.

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #19 on:** February 27, 2012, 08:52:20 PM »

Quote from: phantom1412 on February 27, 2012, 08:44:04 PM

The seller should sell those separately, even if the cards worth more than 2400$, but no one gonna drop 2400$ worth of money at once.

Ya, you're right. Maybe he's trying to sell them all at the same time without having to worry about tons of different sales...

Russell CircleCityCards · « **Reply #20 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:04:32 PM »

Quote from: NathanCanadas on February 27, 2012, 07:12:48 PM

@Russell - I still think that 2,400$ is still a very VERY good deal for all of those cards!!!!!

Well then someone needs to outbid me then, that's my limit.

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #21 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:10:04 PM »

I am sure you will, Russell. I personally think this will go twice as high as the reserve because that is what these decks are worth. But you did more than me: I didn't even bet at all!

dmbaggs · « **Reply #22 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:20:41 PM »

Quote from: NathanCanadas on February 27, 2012, 11:10:04 PM

I am sure you will, Russell. I personally think this will go twice as high as the reserve because that is what these decks are worth. But you did more than me: I didn't even bet at all!

I doubt they will go that high. I don't think somebody will drop that much money on this whole set of decks. Sure it's worth more than that but most people interested in collecting probably have a good few of those or are going to want to get some of the big releases coming up. That's just what I think, I could be wrong

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #23 on:** February 27, 2012, 11:26:51 PM »

Quote from: brown_baggs on February 27, 2012, 11:20:41 PM

Quote from: NathanCanadas on February 27, 2012, 11:10:04 PM
I am sure you will, Russell. I personally think this will go twice as high as the reserve because that is what these decks are worth. But you did more than me: I didn't even bet at all!

I doubt they will go that high. I don't think somebody will drop that much money on this whole set of decks. Sure it's worth more than that but most people interested in collecting probably have a good few of those or are going to want to get some of the big releases coming up. That's just what I think, I could be wrong

Ya, I also think you are right. Individually, though, these decks would be worth 5,000$ +

Don Boyer · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2012, 06:28:14 AM »

I still think the whole reserve thing is nonsense. What this guy should have done was broken this humongous auction into maybe half-a-dozen smaller ones, then set the opening bid at the reasonable minimum he would have accepted. Generating action with people bidding on it does you absolutely no good if it doesn't get bid up to the reserve - it's like getting the bubbles instead of the champagne. In the end, breaking this monstrous collection into bite-sized chunks would probably net this guy more cash. As it stands now, he's got about 18 hours left and he's not even up to half of his reserve.

If I were a betting man, I'd say this auction will be a bust.

xZEROx · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2012, 06:31:25 AM »

I might just throw my budget for the next two years into this auction if it wasn't for US only. It's a good deal, big bucks, but bigger if you sell them individually later. Some of those decks that have values that would only increase.

Russell CircleCityCards · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2012, 06:37:09 PM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on February 28, 2012, 06:28:14 AM

I still think the whole reserve thing is nonsense. What this guy should have done was broken this humongous auction into maybe half-a-dozen smaller ones, then set the opening bid at the reasonable minimum he would have accepted. Generating action with people bidding on it does you absolutely no good if it doesn't get bid up to the reserve - it's like getting the bubbles instead of the champagne. In the end, breaking this monstrous collection into bite-sized chunks would probably net this guy more cash. As it stands now, he's got about 18 hours left and he's not even up to half of his reserve.

If I were a betting man, I'd say this auction will be a bust.

If I win, (doubtfully) that's exactly what I was going to do.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #27 on:** February 29, 2012, 02:37:08 AM »

This is a funny development. The auction ended without meeting the reserve, he reposted the whole lot in a new auction, and that auction ended with zero bids but at a price of $2,300. So, exactly which non-existent bidder is he going to collect his $2,300 from?

EDIT: I see what's happened. He's created a THIRD auction, minimum bid of $0.99, Buy It Now of $2,300. Plus the $100 in shipping, of course. It still has a reserve, though - I'm guessing it would have to be lower than his former reserve of $2,400!

DeckOfCards · « **Reply #28 on:** February 29, 2012, 03:15:54 AM »

Wait. So if the auction didn't meet it's reserve does it mean that the final bid has no effect, the last bidder couldn't get it at US$1325?

digipunk · « **Reply #29 on:** February 29, 2012, 03:20:39 AM »

Quote from: DeckOfCards on February 29, 2012, 03:15:54 AM

Wait. So if the auction didn't meet it's reserve does it mean that the final bid has no effect, the last bidder couldn't get it at US$1325?

Yes, "reserve" means the seller's lowest acceptable price. If it is not met, the seller keeps the item.

DeckOfCards · « **Reply #30 on:** February 29, 2012, 03:22:35 AM »

This is bullshit. I doubt the auction will ever meet the reserve.

xZEROx · « **Reply #31 on:** February 29, 2012, 03:25:44 AM »

Hard to say. If I'm in US, I might go for it. It's a good deal!

digipunk · « **Reply #32 on:** February 29, 2012, 03:38:36 AM »

Quote from: DeckOfCards on February 29, 2012, 03:22:35 AM

This is bullshit. I doubt the auction will ever meet the reserve.

Haha, high starting prices and reserves are all the methods that sellers use to protect themselves.

Let me tell you what is really bullshit. Do you know "overtime bidding"? It might be the evilest function I've ever experienced. eBay doesn't provide this function to sellers, but Taiwan and Japan auctions do. If there is a bid placed in last few minutes (e.g, 3 min), the end time will automatically extend by an additional 3 minutes or so. That would be a nightmare for crazy bidders/snipers. Overtime bidding: "fight! fight until you die".

DeckOfCards · « **Reply #33 on:** February 29, 2012, 04:45:05 AM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 29, 2012, 03:38:36 AM

Quote from: DeckOfCards on February 29, 2012, 03:22:35 AM
This is bullshit. I doubt the auction will ever meet the reserve.

Haha, high starting prices and reserves are all the methods that sellers use to protect themselves.

Let me tell you what is really bullshit. Do you know "overtime bidding"? It might be the evilest function I've ever experienced. eBay doesn't provide this function to sellers, but Taiwan and Japan auctions do. If there is a bid placed in last few minutes (e.g, 3 min), the end time will automatically extend by an additional 3 minutes or so. That would be a nightmare for crazy bidders/snipers. Overtime bidding: "fight! fight until you die".

that is real bullshit! It's like a never ending war. Have you ever won in such bid?

digipunk · « **Reply #34 on:** February 29, 2012, 05:20:38 AM »

Quote from: DeckOfCards on February 29, 2012, 04:45:05 AM

that is real bullshit! It's like a never ending war. Have you ever won in such bid?

No, I don't play the game. Most of the time I buy items have BIN prices here.

There are too many dirty tricks on auctions. Do you know sellers may cancel your bid? It is not a problem as long as he has a good reason. Suppose one day you find an item that you really want, you know it's hard to find and worth around $100 though the starting bid is only $0.99, so you input your max bid $120 to ensure that you may win it. Now, what if the seller has a stooge? The stooge can not only bid you up, but also know your max bid by outbidding you. Once the stooge outbids you, the seller cancels his bid and you are still the highest bidder. Stooge#2 then inputs $119 to bid you up. Finally you win the item, with $120.

These are all dirty tricks. Fortunately they are no more secrets here and bidders/buyers know what happen when they encounter these situations.

Jin Jian · « **Reply #35 on:** February 29, 2012, 09:09:59 AM »

1300+ reserve not met .. i would just sell it for 1300

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #36 on:** February 29, 2012, 11:55:32 AM »

Quote from: hawjinjian on February 29, 2012, 09:09:59 AM

1300+ reserve not met .. i would just sell it for 1300

He cant do that! He would be losing a lot of money!

Don Boyer · « **Reply #37 on:** February 29, 2012, 04:32:25 PM »

Quote from: digipunk on February 29, 2012, 03:38:36 AM

Quote from: DeckOfCards on February 29, 2012, 03:22:35 AM
This is bullshit. I doubt the auction will ever meet the reserve.

Haha, high starting prices and reserves are all the methods that sellers use to protect themselves.

Let me tell you what is really bullshit. Do you know "overtime bidding"? It might be the evilest function I've ever experienced. eBay doesn't provide this function to sellers, but Taiwan and Japan auctions do. If there is a bid placed in last few minutes (e.g, 3 min), the end time will automatically extend by an additional 3 minutes or so. That would be a nightmare for crazy bidders/snipers. Overtime bidding: "fight! fight until you die".

I actually LIKE the idea. Here in the States, it would more closely resemble a real auction, and it would destroy last-minute sniper bidding. One should bid what it's worth to them, period, not simply what's one bid fractionally higher than the last.

This seller, though - he's being a fool by not splitting his lot into smaller auctions. He'll go through a few more rounds of this before his decks sell, and he may STILL miss out on his reserve.

NathanCanadas · « **Reply #38 on:** February 29, 2012, 05:31:17 PM »

Quibids.com works that way. Except there are many differences from ebay, apart from this one.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #39 on:** March 03, 2012, 05:43:43 AM »

Quote from: NathanCanadas on February 29, 2012, 05:31:17 PM

Quibids.com works that way. Except there are many differences from ebay, apart from this one.

Such as?