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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: 52whitelions on February 16, 2016, 01:20:05 PM
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David Blaine mentioned on his instagram account that Black Lions "Seconds" were coming out soon.
From my understanding, factory seconds means an inferior product. Something with a defect that didnt pass quality control.
What are your thoughts? How bad can these cards have been off during printing or cutting to be considered "seconds" ?
Anyone have any experience with a factory second deck?
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I am not sure about david blaine seconds, but I had used several Bicycle Seconds and they were completely fine. Apart from some minor defects such as lighter colour contrast on the court cards. To me it is a cheap deck that I can use for any poker game, magic or practice.
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Seconds, traditionally, are usually not the top-notch, perfect decks, but decks with minor defects that aren't enough to affect game play. As HankMan said, it might have a slight error to it like a slightly incorrect shade, or maybe the faces are more off-center than usual, something along those lines. Seconds are still considered of acceptable quality - anything with a serious defect would be considered too bad to sell.
In this case, it could have been a preliminary print run that had the wrong shade of blue or something and USPC balked at eating the cost of the reprint - an issue that was enough for Blaine to consider it to not be what he wanted to make, but not enough to be called a "defect," per se. It could even be just the tuck boxes that are not 100% up to what he wanted rather than the cards. (Or it could be an interesting way of marketing more cards than he normally would be.) I'm sure they'd still be desirable.
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He put them in a new box, too: https://www.instagram.com/p/BA22WWqjPTZ/
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When USPC sold Bicycle Seconds, they were typically placed in a new tuck as well.
As I see it, it's an opportunity to get some nice cards relatively cheap! Even the worst Black Lion is going to be better than the best Bicycle Standard (and world's better than the best newly-made Mavericks)! In New York City, Bicycle Standards typically sell for more than $4 at a local branch of a typical drugstore chain or from the corner bodega.
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Even the worst Black Lion is going to be better than the best Bicycle Standard (and world's better than the best newly-made Mavericks)! In New York City, Bicycle Standards typically sell for more than $4 at a local branch of a typical drugstore chain or from the corner bodega.
On another forum, someone said a source close to David said he is notoriously picky about his signature decks, and that its rumored to have come down to just the type of seal (tax stamp) they used on the original run of tuck boxes that bothered him enough to weed them out. Either way, I plan to grab a brick to practice/perform daily with as beater decks.
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Even the worst Black Lion is going to be better than the best Bicycle Standard (and world's better than the best newly-made Mavericks)! In New York City, Bicycle Standards typically sell for more than $4 at a local branch of a typical drugstore chain or from the corner bodega.
On another forum, someone said a source close to David said he is notoriously picky about his signature decks, and that its rumored to have come down to just the type of seal (tax stamp) they used on the original run of tuck boxes that bothered him enough to weed them out. Either way, I plan to grab a brick to practice/perform daily with as beater decks.
It's got to be more than that. A seal can be replaced easily enough, even pasting a new seal over the old one (it's been known to happen on his decks before). I'm thinking it's something to do directly with the cards themselves - they were "bad" enough to not be what David intended for his deck, but good enough that USPC didn't consider them defective, so David opted to have new tucks printed and dropped them in those tucks, selling them as seconds.
Or, as I mentioned before, it could simply be a clever way of putting more of his decks in the marketplace. It's possible, though from what I know of David having met him and his creative team once, I'm inclined to doubt that theory. He's an exceptionally nice guy and works with a fine crew of people.
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from what I know of David having met him and his creative team once, I'm inclined to doubt that theory. He's an exceptionally nice guy and works with a fine crew of people.
You've met with David and his team?? Who, what, why, where, when? lol :)
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from what I know of David having met him and his creative team once, I'm inclined to doubt that theory. He's an exceptionally nice guy and works with a fine crew of people.
You've met with David and his team?? Who, what, why, where, when? lol :)
It's certainly obvious you don't like DB ;)
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It's certainly obvious you don't like DB ;)
lol, like many of us David was a huge inspiration to why I ever even picked up my first deck of cards 15 years ago. The guy revolutionized magic by focusing on his spectators, instead of showmanship. It was refreshing. He made magic "cool" in my book.
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from what I know of David having met him and his creative team once, I'm inclined to doubt that theory. He's an exceptionally nice guy and works with a fine crew of people.
You've met with David and his team?? Who, what, why, where, when? lol :)
http://aethercards.com/discourse/playing-card-plethora/guess-who-i-had-dinner-with-tonight/
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Hi Guys,
I saw the instagram post too, but its been nearly a month since he put that up and still hasn't released them.
I was wondering if anyone knew of a reason for this, or if DB changed his mind on the seconds of something like that.
After receiving some of the Blue edition of these cards, I'm quite keen to get my hands on some $4 versions of the black ones.
Thanks,
The London Magician
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Blaine posting something on instagram/twitter (and even writing "soon" or similar) doesn't necessarily mean it'll actually be released very soon. Someone else will remember this better than me, but the Silver Split Spades were teased for a few months before released, and I seem to recall the same for both the Gatorbacks and the Black Lions series (albeit not as many months ahead of time).
They'll be released sooner or later, but there's no telling when until Blaine posts an actual date.
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Blaine posting something on instagram/twitter (and even writing "soon" or similar) doesn't necessarily mean it'll actually be released very soon. Someone else will remember this better than me, but the Silver Split Spades were teased for a few months before released, and I seem to recall the same for both the Gatorbacks and the Black Lions series (albeit not as many months ahead of time).
They'll be released sooner or later, but there's no telling when until Blaine posts an actual date.
I guess it's a little like the expression "soon come" in Jamaica. It can mean in a few minutes or a few months!
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Okay, Thank you!
I'm looking forward to them!
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I think it will be after david blaine shop is back and up as it is current maintenance (Emailed them about it)
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I think it will be after david blaine shop is back and up as it is current maintenance (Emailed them about it)
Ah, so that's why his website wasn't working!
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I think it will be after david blaine shop is back and up as it is current maintenance (Emailed them about it)
Ah, so that's why his website wasn't working!
That's actually a frequent pattern for Blaine's web store. The site goes down for maintenance, comes back several days later with a new deck for sale and sometimes a new design. Could be they take the opportunity to insure the site won't crash when the deck goes out.
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That's actually a frequent pattern for Blaine's web store. The site goes down for maintenance, comes back several days later with a new deck for sale and sometimes a new design. Could be they take the opportunity to insure the site won't crash when the deck goes out.
Yup, I emailed and was told the same thing as well. "maintenance" Although as Don mentioned, his site does seem to conveniently go down weeks before the release of a new deck or design. *crosses fingers*
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Hey All,
So I know someone that some how acquired some of these decks. AS far as i know only a couple. I was able to do a trade for 1 of the decks and pictures are below.
I asked how he got them and was told a story that I am not sure I believe since I have not heard anything before how to get. I was told they were on sale for a very limited time maybe only an Hour (Not sure what site) and he was able to get a couple of decks.
It's really cool to have a this deck but not sure will David be releasing them? in full? As 1st Ed. 2nd Ed?
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I asked how he got them and was told a story that I am not sure I believe since I have not heard anything before how to get. I was told they were on sale for a very limited time maybe only an Hour (Not sure what site) and he was able to get a couple of decks.
If you get a few more let me know, or if you find out how to get more
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Hey All,
So I know someone that some how acquired some of these decks. AS far as i know only a couple. I was able to do a trade for 1 of the decks and pictures are below.
I asked how he got them and was told a story that I am not sure I believe since I have not heard anything before how to get. I was told they were on sale for a very limited time maybe only an Hour (Not sure what site) and he was able to get a couple of decks.
It's really cool to have a this deck but not sure will David be releasing them? in full? As 1st Ed. 2nd Ed?
That's actually not as far-fetched as it sounds. Blaine's been known to have "flash sales" on his website, items in short supply that sell out very quickly and come down the moment they're gone. It's usually for limited-edition releases.
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These are now available on DB's site for $5:
http://shop.davidblaine.com/products/black-lions-charity-decks
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0031/8592/products/charitydoubleshopifysizedcorrectly.png?v=1453343061)
We are excited to introduce our BLACK LIONS SECONDS, at the LOWEST PRICE of any deck we have ever produced.
Due to a slight misalignment on the King of Diamonds, we are able to offer these to you at a price that can never be matched otherwise.
The deck contains all of the great features and secrets of our latest series BLACK LIONS with the highest quality card stock produced by The UNITED STATES PLAYING CARD COMPANY.
Whether you are a seasoned pro or just getting started in magic, these are the decks for you. In fact, this is the specific deck that David Blaine has been using during the filming of his newest television special. Their premium texture and incredible durability make them perfect for performing or practicing.
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I wonder why the web address mentions "charity decks?" They don't appear to be being used as a charity fundraiser for any particular cause...
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Hi Folks - I don't suppose anyone has seen the 20% promo code the site refers to; apparently its meant to be on Davids Twitter / Instagram accounts, but I cant see anything?
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Hi Folks - I don't suppose anyone has seen the 20% promo code the site refers to; apparently its meant to be on Davids Twitter / Instagram accounts, but I cant see anything?
I believe that 'July4' is the promo code (good old Google search)...it is valid from July 2-4
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Haha! Thanks for that; works perfectly. I did actually search and couldn't find a thing!
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anyone got trouble like me :( seem like shopify have some problem that i cant complete order with Visa, master, amex nor redirect to paypal not working :( my bank account still fine but cant purchase anything
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man i wish i saw this before i bought them haha oh well, 5 bucks is still a great price
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anyone got trouble like me :( seem like shopify have some problem that i cant complete order with Visa, master, amex nor redirect to paypal not working :( my bank account still fine but cant purchase anything
Are you in the US? That might make a difference.
Have you tried contacting Shopify? Have you tried contacting Blaine's people through his website?
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Are you in the US? That might make a difference.
Have you tried contacting Shopify? Have you tried contacting Blaine's people through his website?
yes, all done :) now just wait DB ship the package :)
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i got mine today and i have to say, for seconds, theyre still better than 99% of the kickstarter decks out there lol the handling is still freakishly amazing like all david blaine decks, the borders are probably the straightest ive ever seen in USPCC decks, and there was only one card in my deck that was cut a little too close to the edge on the face side but its not noticeable unless your looking for it