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I have a hanafuda deck from Hawaii that's like what Don described.

http://hanafudahawaii.com/ginstructions.html

I don't agree with everything they did (too many indices and they're in Japanese!) but it will give you a general idea of how it might work.

I'm very impressed with your 300 page book. I don't remember any other KS deck that had a book that big.

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This is a more informative link: http://www.matthessler.com/

It's a no-revoke deck but what I'm curious about are the cards. There's the standard 52, a rule for Hearts, the Black Maria (a second QS), the Omnibus Knave (?; a second JD) which leaves only one card for a joker which is not shown. Does one card have a different back or is it there for comparison?

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Ever since I've moved to Europe, I've been snapping up some European cards and historical reproductions. Some of these are hard or impossible to find online. I return to the States for the summer every two years. I suppose I can sell my spares on ebay for the 2 or 3 months that I'm back. Does anyone here think there's a significant interest? If there is I will be more aggressive in purchasing them. I'm worried about being stuck with unsold stock if the market is too weak. Also will US Customs give me trouble for bringing a suitcase full of decks?

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Design & Development / Re: A new "Hunting Deck"
« on: December 31, 2015, 08:53:39 PM »
I just came back from the Fournier museum. They didn't have the original Ambras cards but a reproduction. They are enormous, basically the size of those jumbo cards. I can't see anyone playing with them in any time period. It must have been an art deck.

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Design & Development / Re: A new "Hunting Deck"
« on: December 18, 2015, 05:11:19 PM »
Very old school, perhaps too much. You're appealing to collectors who enjoy facsimiles of very old decks. In this case, it's not a reproduction but an homage to the past. There might be an audience but don't expect a large print run. You should set a low goal.

I'm not sure if the Ambras or Stuttgart cards were ever played with, they are very impractical even for their era. They are probably early examples of art decks.  You might have to market this to the art history crowd as well. I love your attention to historical detail like the banner 10s but most people outside of a portion of Switzerland won't get it. You'll have to explain what they are on the project page and perhaps on a leaflet or in the packaging as well. Personally, I would have the kings on horseback.

I won't be able to respond for the next two weeks as I'll be on holiday (and visiting some card museums). I wish you the best.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 666 Casino - USPCC
« on: October 29, 2015, 09:58:20 PM »
How many jokers are there? My double pinochle deck also has a hole in the box. It originally exposed the ace of clubs.

Out of curiosity, did the Ace of Clubs have any additional markings?

Plain aces (1s) here.
Just came back from a trip. I know that the French mark their ace of clubs but my deck had no special marks. All aces are plain small pips.

Having only one joker (assuming the other hasn't gone missing) may date it to before 1950s.


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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 666 Casino - USPCC
« on: October 24, 2015, 03:54:07 PM »
How many jokers are there? My double pinochle deck also has a hole in the box. It originally exposed the ace of clubs.

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: 666 Casino - USPCC
« on: October 24, 2015, 06:19:52 AM »
I think it's for export to Belgium, the Balkans, North Africa, or the Middle East.

Don is right that they are Parisian faces, but there are two slight differences. In France, they use blue instead of green and put names of who they are suppose to represent in the corners.

The Ottoman Empire used to strictly ban playing cards for religious reasons. As their empire was crumbling in the late 1800s, the rules were relaxed. The French were the first to jump in and introduce cards to the region. To differentiate domestic cards (which were subject to taxes) from export, they changed to the blue to green and dropped the names.

Belgian manufacturers (including the predecessors of Cartamundi) and Hungarians were also exporters to those regions. I came across a similar deck in Budapest. It is used to play double pinochle which is popular among Turks and Kurds.

Examples:
http://www.wopc.co.uk/hungary/artex/artex-for-turkey
http://www.wopc.co.uk/hungary/artex/artex-quadrilato-for-tunisia

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: 52+J 2015 Convention - THE CLUB DECK
« on: October 17, 2015, 08:06:10 AM »
In a lot of trick-taking games, a "revoke" is playing the wrong card when you are suppose to follow suit. It's considered a form of cheating, whether deliberate or accidental, and the side that is caught can be penalized. Players of bridge and skat often use "no-revoke" four-color decks to avoid this. One method is to use strongly contrasting colors like light orange, blue, or green however this might not work with people who are colorblind. It's very commonly used in online poker too.

For people that play a lot of different card games, this can be problematic as some games have the suits paired by color like in canasta or euchre. Others just simply dislike the radical departure from tradition. Compromise decks use different shades of red and black as middle ground.

From the picture, I don't see any differences between the two jokers. A few games use differentiated jokers. Personally, I wouldn't have chosen fuschia for diamonds but give one of the red suits a darker "security ink" shade.

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I'm curious about how you use 500s to play poker. Don't all the odds change for each poker hand? If you did the math, can you share?

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The Conversation Parlor / Re: Nintendo playing cards
« on: October 15, 2015, 03:33:41 PM »
I could be wrong on this, but many Japanese companies with a history that extends into or earlier than World War II appear to be loathe to talk about their history that far back.

I think that only applies to the former monopolies, the notorious zaibatsus that dominated the economy before the war.

Most of the world's oldest companies are Japanese and they're mostly family owned, small to mid-size businesses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies

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The Conversation Parlor / Re: Nintendo playing cards
« on: October 15, 2015, 10:18:40 AM »
Nintendo still makes cards, including karuta like hanafuda decks. They also produce traditional board games and mahjong sets. There's the story that the head of Nintendo visiting USPC's headquarters in the 1950s. He was shocked that the world's largest card maker had such a small office that he realized he won't expand with just cards. Nintendo then diversified into toys and eventually video games. Their biggest competitor in the card market is Angel Playing Cards.

Current decks: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n09/index.html

Decks that they've produced: http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/WWPCM/japan/nintendo.htm

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: Democracy Playing Card Company
« on: September 23, 2015, 08:36:34 AM »
I just realized that there is only one Joker.  The other card is printed with text on both sides, so I don't think that it can be used as a Joker.  Am I missing a Joker?

The second joker appeared in the late 1940s and early 50s when Canasta took off. It's played with two decks and needs four jokers. Instead of buying four decks, manufacturers added a second joker to each deck.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Playing Card Books
« on: September 17, 2015, 04:41:29 PM »
For types of cards used around the world, I suggest Sylvia Mann's All Cards on the Table from 1990. It's in English and German and is her magnum opus in playing card research.

Hochman's is the best guide for North American cards but guides to British cards are also available. Mann wrote Collecting English Playing Cards, Ken Lodge has the "Standard English Pattern" (hard to find), and Mike Goodall, a descendant of Charles Goodall, has written several books.

Michael Dummett's The Game of Tarot (1980) is often considered the most important book ever written in regards to the history of playing cards and card games (with a focus on tarot and its games). It contains 600 pages of research, much of it groundbreaking. Despite being 35 years old, only a few parts have become outdated due to new research. He published a semi-sequel with John McLeod called "A History of Games Played with the Tarot Pack" a decade ago but its focus is on recording as many tarot games as they can find (around a thousand pages of them).

For a more broader history, look to David Parlett's The Oxford Guide to Card Games which details the evolution of most card games up to 1990. This is the hard cover version and is better than the paperback one which lacks illustrations. The only thing lacking is information about older Asian card games which wasn't easily available back then.

Parlett also released The Penguin Book of Card Games (2009 ed.) which contains rules for hundreds of games, some not found on McLeod's pagat.com. Get the paperback version, the kindle version has OCR flaws.

This bibliography from the IPCS website is also handy. Unfortunately, it hasn't been updated since 2009 and a few books may have new editions (like Hochman's). Many of the books are not in English.

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Design & Development / Re: Redesigned SWARM deck in the works
« on: July 25, 2015, 05:49:20 AM »
Agree with Don. This is a standard deck and it's the staple deck of a client, you can't mess with courts like a KS project. Card historians have noted the strong traditionalism people attach to their cards and how designs change very slowly through the centuries. It basically boils down to these two reasons:

1. Gamblers are notoriously superstitious (they have to be, just ask any mathematician). They will blame any loss on any changes to their cards. Some gamblers have favorite decks down to the brand, number, year of production, etc. Faro players, for example, still played with cards that had sharp edges, single faces, no corner indices, decades after everyone else moved on.

2. People play with cards that their family or friends play with or what they've seen on TV. They don't want to be the odd one out. They won't play bridge with grandma with an erotic deck of course. Kids of a certain age get precocious and want to play with cards that adults have, they've started to think their Disney or Marvel heroes deck are too childish. Then they grow up with the familiar courts and it becomes culturally ingrained.

When it comes to club decks or house decks, there's only so much you can do. Stick to Don's suggestions. People pay more attention to faces and items than clothing, since they're more abstract and it blurs in their memories. I can recall the suicide king's face but if you swap his belts or coat with another, I probably won't notice.

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Weird. Only issue 8 is causing trouble for me. Most of the text comes out as squares. I'm guessing it might be an OCR problem. Anyone else having this problem?

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Did you use a new font for this issue? Most of it can't be rendered on my screen. I'm accessing it through ask alexander.

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Design & Development / Re: Redesigned SWARM deck in the works
« on: July 19, 2015, 03:11:35 AM »
I thought you added security ink because the new box says "Casino Grade" while the old one didn't. By having a perfectly symmetrical back pattern with faded borders as well as security ink, the new deck would definitely be considered casino blackjack quality. That's something you might tell your client.

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Design & Development / Re: Redesigned SWARM deck in the works
« on: July 18, 2015, 08:25:26 PM »
Will the new design use security ink? I'm guessing that's their plan since it uses darker hues.

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Playing Card Plethora / Re: Bloodlines: Custom Playing Cards
« on: July 03, 2015, 02:14:35 PM »
In fact, a notable poker player is was recently sued by two casinos over "edge sorting" - the casinos were (foolishly) using a deck at the table that had an edge design that gave the card an overall one-way pattern because of the cards being cut slightly off-center.

Sued? Not arrested for cheating?

He "cheated" using the casino's own equipment! The casino basically bought marked cards. There used to be players that went from casino to casino looking for roulette tables that showed a bias to certain numbers and exploit it. One could also accuse casinos of cheating because they have the house edge. Casinos won't survive if they don't have some statistical advantage against their customers.

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Have you tried asking Simon Wintle or Thierry Depaulis? They have extensive contacts with collectors and historians.

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Do card boxes act like humidors? I recently bought a Hungarian secret box but I'm not sure if it will regulate humidity and temperature as well as an ice box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOlipj64J8

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A Cellar of Fine Vintages / Re: POTTER & POTTER AUCTION 6/27 & 6/28
« on: June 20, 2015, 10:23:19 AM »
What happens to unsold lots?

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Design & Development / Re: Sharing Some Stuff
« on: June 20, 2015, 08:43:39 AM »
Very good illustrations. Golden Court looks beautiful but the index is somewhat hard to see and is too far from the corner for easy playing. The black border may cause some trouble due to bleeding at the edge. It could still sell if you marketed it purely for its appearance alone.

Is Master Graven based on the Tarot de Marseille? I think the red suits should be white but have a thick outline.

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I googled "mylar case" and this came up second: http://www.comicase.com/ComiCase--Current-Age_p_10.html

Anyone else use comic book cases to display multiple cards? I'm planning on putting centuries old cards in them, then put them in a cooler and only take them out at night. The cases don't look very classy though. Either that or I put them in a safe deposit box. I don't know how else I can protect them from hot and humid Hawaiian summers.

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