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Wow, I guess the USPCC changed their policies and legal has let up a bit. A year ago when I was launching my Mythos: Necronomicon deck, I planned a similar approach with a Bicycle brand and stock deck and a Bee brand and Stock deck...they said nay. Even though they were to be 2 deck runs with 2 different stocks, legal said the can't "cross brand" products since they're still considered the same deck. I still have the pitch mock ups I made to present my plan to USPCC. Now I guess we all have some options again.



I do think this deck is interesting but if there's nothing to distinguish between the brands, than it's just a gimmick to sell additional decks of the same kind. Granted I would probably pick up more than one myself  Still, If you have a Bee deck, it should be bee casino stock without a doubt from the start. At least that way the Bee and Bicycle decks have their own standard recognizable stocks. Tally-Ho is another situation as well.

Interesting - but they'll only sell on Kickstarter. Once reviews are in that they handle like crap, no one will be picking these up again. Luckily, on Kickstarter you can avoid all that by making everyone buy the decks before they're actually made. Smart, albeit underhanded, move.

The UV ink is a great gimmick, but a gimmick at the sacrifice of a the handling of the cards is very much cart-before-horse, form over function, more icing-than-cake. It's the same reason why Glow-in-the-dark cards never worked - the UV ink is laid on as a process after the printing of the cards has been done, as a physical layer. Granted, the finish is applied over this, but what you're left with is a deck of cards that feel like they have grains of sand between each card. It gives the deck an overall 'gritty' feel - much like the Tragic Royaltys. We experienced this problem with our first run of Tally-Ho Vipers - which we instantly shredded, because when you sell a deck that doesn't come up to scratch, it not only hurts those sales, but casts doubt on all future releases as well.

Depending on how 4pm are wanting to play this - whether it be only selling to those outside of the 'we care about the feel, not just the look' community, or the 'Neat deck of cards' laymen, I'd probably recommend getting a sample done in UV before promising to deliver on it.

Yet another reason I hate Kickstarter - opening up manufacturing avenues to those without the experience (or R&D funds) to know what the finished product will be before they promise delivery.

Best of luck to them.

-Jake

I'm a little late to the party considering I don't come on this board much anymore but figured id drop in to check out our thread and address this. For one, please don't try to pass speculation as fact. What your company has done with UV is not what we have done so please don't use your experiences to try and bring down another's. The FACT is that the deck handles exactly like any other Bee casino stock deck with a magic finish AKA Great. I'm actually quite surprised someone representing a well known company like E will come on a forum to bash someone else's deck....before it had even been produced. A classy move it is not. E is not the only company that can get the USPCC to use new techniques or "finishes". The GRID 2.0 utilizes UV inks NOT UV Paper and does NOT have that sandy feel or is compatible to decks like Tragic Royalty. Yes, my decks are funded through KS, but just because a shit load of crappy decks emerge from there doesnt mean you should lump all our decks together. As some people have mentioned, we have no problem taking chances to try an innovate instead of releasing yet another overhyped recolored deck.

Up until this point I've had a lot of respect for E, but it's a shame a representative of theirs has to ruin that. As I noticed a lot of bashing coming out of your camp towards KS decks, I would've expected a company to be handled in a less negative manner. The only thing this proves is that there are enough indie designers that can shake things up enough to attract such negativity from the "bigger ups".

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What?!? Over 40 bids and over $2,000 for one deck! I don't care how limited that deck is, it better be signed by Houdini or Jesus Christ to make up for that price. Holy hell.

Well look at that. Sweet.

This is something I'd be more interested in as art. It's a cool deck but I would more than likely pledge for an uncut rather than a deck or two. It just doesn't fit well as a deck of cards. But the art is pretty awesome.

I went through my brick and found the following deck. One deck which seemed like they tried to remove the seal and a chunk of the cut with the seal portion got sealed in the deck. Pretty interesting. If you look at the top thumb cut, you can see on the right that the cut is significantly larger on that side.

Not particularly a fan of the theme, but it is a DB release and that tuck and design looks promising. I think I will pick these up if not for the actual design than more out of the curiosity of this new stock/finish.

If I recall correctly the vortex deck and the actuator decks were also USPCC releases but their backs did not resemble their logo.

Vortex is not a Bicycle branded deck, Actuator uses the same logo just with color variation.

It's better to explain like this, Vortex is made by the USPCC but its not a "Bicycle" deck. When a designer makes a deck they have a choice to use the brand name/logo for marketing. However, you can still use the bicycle paper stock, which itself had several variations without using the logo. It's all marketing.

For instance, my recent deck is Mythos: Necronomicon which is also referred to as Bicycle Necronomicon. But in theory it's actually a Bee deck. We decided to go with the casino grade paper commonly used by Bee casino decks instead of the paper stock used by Bicycle decks. Originally we didn't use the Bicycle brand name on the tuck box, but soon after added it on due to the recognition the brand name brings. Thus it became a "Bicycle" deck, which was originally a no name "bicycle/uspcc manufactured" deck (much like Vortex) but in reality is actually a "Bee" deck.....yeah...it just got a bit more confusing lol.

In the end, consider the Bicycle brand logo as a copyrighted "font". If you alter the font to the point where it no longer resembles the original copyrighted font, then it is no longer the same font. It's that specific font that the USPCC owns, so if you stray too far from the original copyrighted font, this can cause legal complications which in theory would require the USPCC to copyright this new variation of their logo. Since the USPCC won't obviously go through that process, they simply reject the art or adjust it themselves to represent the original copyrighted font.

Am I the only person who noticed they are releasing Eco card Clips? I'm wondering if these are THEE Eco Card Clips by Conjuring Creations which have given many of us a great deal of problems.

It's happened yet again.

Yesterday we have added a new reward to go with our ARC Card Clips and NECRODICE. These are Gold Polished Coins we call NECRONOMICOINS...see what we did there? These are not ceramic or plastic chips, these are "put a dent in someone's head" Brass Metal. EDIT: Coins are now double sided with the same design on both sides. (We do not endorse putting a dent in someone's head