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Title: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Mr.parangot on July 17, 2022, 09:44:18 AM
Hi all,

I have this blue seal Tally Ho deck, but I have no idea how old it is. I noticed, that it doesn't say circle back on the back and also the No. 9 print on top is missing, when I compared it to the newer blue seal Tally Ho decks I have from the Ohio facility. Does anyone have more info on this deck, how much could it be worth and is this a long flap deck maybe?

Any help is appreciated, thank you :)

Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Mr.parangot on July 17, 2022, 01:11:05 PM
I took some more photos together with a newer Tally ho deck.

the right deck, or the top deck in the other pictures is the unknown Tally Ho deck.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Mr.parangot on August 19, 2022, 10:06:13 AM
Really nobody has an idea when this design switch on the box might have happened? :(
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Chuqii on August 20, 2022, 06:55:21 PM
Check out this post re: Bicycle decks.  http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=13616.msg133246#msg133246

Your deck is from between 1980 - 1994 based on the type of bar code.   And, because there is no registered trademark symbol, it is pre-1990-ish.  So 1980s is my best guess.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Mr.parangot on August 30, 2022, 09:01:02 AM
Thank you Chuqii!
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Don Boyer on April 18, 2023, 05:32:50 AM
Check out this post re: Bicycle decks.  http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=13616.msg133246#msg133246

Your deck is from between 1980 - 1994 based on the type of bar code.   And, because there is no registered trademark symbol, it is pre-1990-ish.  So 1980s is my best guess.

I concur.  The fact that the seal is a sticker and not a moisture-based adhesive stamp with perforated top and bottom edges would also indicate 1980s, but no earlier than that.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: touya on April 18, 2023, 05:05:58 PM
Really nobody has an idea when this design switch on the box might have happened? :(

My opinion is that it was around 1990-1993.

Tuck Case appears to date to about 1990-91.

The deck inside may date to 1990-93.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Don Boyer on April 19, 2023, 01:07:46 AM
Really nobody has an idea when this design switch on the box might have happened? :(

My opinion is that it was around 1990-1993.

Tuck Case appears to date to about 1990-91.

The deck inside may date to 1990-93.

What about the deck brings you to that conclusion?
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: touya on April 19, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
Really nobody has an idea when this design switch on the box might have happened? :(

My opinion is that it was around 1990-1993.

Tuck Case appears to date to about 1990-91.

The deck inside may date to 1990-93.

What about the deck brings you to that conclusion?
hi,Don

As you can see from the image, the paper used for Tuck Case is bleached paper.

I believe Tuck Case became white in the late 80's and into the 90's.

Also clear tabs for display were not used in the 80's, I have seen white translucent ones used in the 80's.

Chuqii's research is correct about the narrow barcodes.

One collector in Japan owns BICYCLE decks made in each year from 1980 to 2000 and was introducing the decks at the time.
I believe the different size of the word "Poker" at the top of the Tuck Case was changed around 1990. I have determined that it would be possible to distinguish between the two based on his research and the coloring of the Tuck Case.

I will have to open the case to see if this is necessarily correct.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: touya on April 19, 2023, 11:47:54 AM
I took a picture of the short barcode from the deck that I could take out immediately.

The color of the Tuck Case varies depending on the year of manufacture.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: touya on April 19, 2023, 12:52:43 PM
And when I checked the image again, this Tuck Case was a short flap.

In other words, I think it's correct that this deck was made after 1991.


Thank You.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Chuqii on April 22, 2023, 01:38:08 PM
Due to the lack of the registered trademark symbol on the tuck, I?d say it was 1990 or a bit before. But let us know if you open it to find out for sure.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: touya on April 23, 2023, 06:40:00 AM
Due to the lack of the registered trademark symbol on the tuck, I?d say it was 1990 or a bit before. But let us know if you open it to find out for sure.

Based on my statistical research results,
From 1990 to 1991, when the specifications changed significantly, it seems that the registration of the registered trademark symbol was delayed.

As you all know, BICYCLE, Bee, and TALLY-HO brands are still undergoing subtle design changes on a regular basis, depending on the era. Until the 1980s, USPCC decks tended to allow printing faintness and ink bleeding within certain standards.

USPCC's Playing Cards are printed using a mold, so in order to change the design, it is necessary to create a master plate, so it seems that there was a gap before the registered trademark mark was attached.

Therefore, decks from 1990 to 1992 have many exceptional specifications.
Title: Re: How old is this Tally Ho deck?
Post by: Chuqii on April 24, 2023, 03:52:19 PM
Good point.  Another thing I noticed on your tuck box are the two small slits on the top for the flap.  On Bicycle decks, these small slits were introduced around 1994 based on my Bicycle reference collection.  I imagine they were introduced around that time for Tally-Ho, so that would support your dating of the deck.