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Playing Card Chat ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦ => Playing Card Plethora => Topic started by: MDCasino on March 23, 2012, 11:29:05 PM
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Anyone see these yet? They look pretty interesting.
I dont think there using uspc...
"If funded, we will be printing our cards with one of the premier card deck producers in the country with over 100 years of experience making classic decks."
Heres a link
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1244376122/blue-blood-playing-cards?ref=live (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1244376122/blue-blood-playing-cards?ref=live)
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What makes you think it isn't USPC? Doesn't say that it isn't and USPC definitely has over 100 years of experience and is one of the only premier card producers in the world. And then there is this quote "Using a printer like this however, requires a high minimum order." Sounds like USPC also. But who knows, maybe i'm wrong. I haven't seen USPC produce a deck like that before and i'm not sure how well that deck will sell especially with everyone spending so much money on other decks at the moment and with that hideous back design.
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That is a really interesting deck! You guys should all watch the video on the kickstarter page... the deck really has a lot of meaning. The art on that deck is wonderful and although it isn't a deck that I would really want, I respect the artists skill and effort.
with that hideous back design.
I guess that's your opinion. But its more of an art piece and try to look at it in a more abstract way.
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Looks nice... USPCC and I might be interested... Very artistic... I'm going to vote on the Blue Blood deck over the other one (you know which one I'm talking about)... Okay I'll let it go now - sorry...
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Looks nice... USPCC and I might be interested... Very artistic... I'm going to vote on the Blue Blood deck over the other one (you know which one I'm talking about)... Okay I'll let it go now - sorry...
Ok man that is just uncalled for, If you just said you didnt like it Id be fine, but now its rediculous. I think Im justified in saying this now, You can suck it.
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Anyone see these yet? They look pretty interesting.
I dont think there using uspc...
"If funded, we will be printing our cards with one of the premier card deck producers in the country with over 100 years of experience making classic decks."
Heres a link
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1244376122/blue-blood-playing-cards?ref=live (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1244376122/blue-blood-playing-cards?ref=live)
I came, I saw, I lost interest. The art is beautiful, but the card design isn't really to my tastes. I have to be a lot choosier about what decks I buy these days, so despite really liking the art, I have to pass.
What makes you think it isn't USPC? Doesn't say that it isn't and USPC definitely has over 100 years of experience and is one of the only premier card producers in the world. And then there is this quote "Using a printer like this however, requires a high minimum order." Sounds like USPC also. But who knows, maybe i'm wrong. I haven't seen USPC produce a deck like that before and i'm not sure how well that deck will sell especially with everyone spending so much money on other decks at the moment and with that hideous back design.
USPC is not the only hundred-year-old-plus card company out there, and "high minimum" is a relative term. If it was USPC, he probably (but not definitely) have said as much. I left him a question about which company he's planning to use - we'll see what the answer is.
Looks nice... USPCC and I might be interested... Very artistic... I'm going to vote on the Blue Blood deck over the other one (you know which one I'm talking about)... Okay I'll let it go now - sorry...
Ok man that is just uncalled for, If you just said you didnt like it Id be fine, but now its rediculous. I think Im justified in saying this now, You can suck it.
JMRock, please - stay on topic and save the barbs for PM. No one else is interested in reading them.
Reagan - understandable, but no flame wars. It should end now, if you both don't mind, please.
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What makes you think it isn't USPC? Doesn't say that it isn't and USPC definitely has over 100 years of experience and is one of the only premier card producers in the world. And then there is this quote "Using a printer like this however, requires a high minimum order." Sounds like USPC also. But who knows, maybe i'm wrong. I haven't seen USPC produce a deck like that before and i'm not sure how well that deck will sell especially with everyone spending so much money on other decks at the moment and with that hideous back design.
Well like Don said, if he was using USPC I would imagine he would say it out front.
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These actually are very creative. Too creative to be my type. But I hope they get funded!
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What makes you think it isn't USPC? Doesn't say that it isn't and USPC definitely has over 100 years of experience and is one of the only premier card producers in the world. And then there is this quote "Using a printer like this however, requires a high minimum order." Sounds like USPC also. But who knows, maybe i'm wrong. I haven't seen USPC produce a deck like that before and i'm not sure how well that deck will sell especially with everyone spending so much money on other decks at the moment and with that hideous back design.
Well like Don said, if he was using USPC I would imagine he would say it out front.
I said they'd be likely to say as much - not definitely. This design house sounds like another artist who wants to make a deck rather than a deck designer from the get-go. This often means they know less about card design than most. Meaning it's also possible they have no idea what the cachet of the USPC name would mean for their deck. Or maybe they do know, and are being vague specifically because they aren't using USPC. There's no way to tell until they answer the question I left for them.
EDIT: a clear sign that they may not be using USPC is the rather low goal needed for the project. Especially if you factor in all the promotional stuff they're offering besides just the deck. I consider this a sign that it's more likely they're using an overseas company to do the work despite claims that they're using a domestic company. It's also interesting that they don't specify the size of the print run as well, making it harder to gauge the actually rarity the deck will have in the marketplace.
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I can appreciate the effort the went into creating this deck. Not so much the finished product.
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it is not my cup of tea but still i will pledge for 2 decks
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I just PM'd the creator, they said it will be USPCC. Also they just posted that it will be smooth finish.
I like them a lot!
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I don`t really like these, they have nice art but I am going to pass on them.
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The back of the cards is what i don't like they should have done something else with i it .
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My comment about the back design was a little too negative. I understand it is more of an art piece and I appreciate it for what it is but I doubt there are too many on these forums that would support that deck, myself included. With all the other decks coming out, one can't afford art pieces, but we'll see I suppose.
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I have additional information from the creators of this deck - they responded to my question.
Uusi says:
Hi Don - good to hear from you!
We just posted an update (we tweaked our blue, marble back so it now is a mirrored back), and also posted some FAQ's. Your question is one of the most asked - if funded we will be printing our deck with the US Playing Card company. We chose them for their long history in printing high quality, classic decks that I am sure you are familiar with such as, Bicycle, Aviator and Bee.
Please let us know if you have any other questions. We are thrilled with how many magicians are interested in our deck - we hope you choose to help us bring the Blue Blood deck to life!
Best,
Linnea
So not only is it USPC, not only is it smooth finish, but they're adjusting the back to make it symmetrical. I'm more interested now.
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I really like the court card illustrations. Colored-pencil is my favorite choice for hand-drawing, so it's nice to see it used in card design. I just wish they used a similar technique for the Back design. It just looks too harsh for such an elegant set of face cards and Tuck Box! The new mirrored Back looks better with it's brighter blue but too bad they didn't do something similar to the Tuck Box front.
The index font is a little funky too. I've tried to use that font before on random bottle necker jobs and the client always comes back with "is that an "I" or a "J"?
thanks, Randy
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I threw down for a few. I really like the box and design of the deck, true art. As with most custom decks no one is going to be playing serious poker with them, the different font and back design are perfectly OK. I actually wish they would have left the back alone and kept it one-way and less vivid. I hope to see something else like this in the future!
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I love this design. I've been pretty busy lately and haven't been around the forums or web much, but I am really glad that I didn't miss out on this one. I really love the art on this one! It has a similar style to a friend of mine. It's a nice little reminder. I also love the back design. I'm glad it's USPCC as well. I just backed for a few of these! They are wonderful!!!
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Whilst not my style of cards I can deffinetly see and appreciate the effort that went into making a beautiful deck of cards like these.
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The effort involved and going for a fully custom deck is something I fundamentally need to support, so I backed it. Not precisely my style but very unique, and at a $9000 goal I'd guess they will be doing only 2500 which keeps it quite limited.
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Hello,
First I want to thank everyone for commenting (ALL feedback has value) and their support! I would also like to give a little more info on the specs and production of the deck, as well as our inspiration: The deck will be produced by the US Playing Card Company (if fully funded) 2500 decks will be produced, they will be made with Bicycle Grade Paper and will have an Air Cushion and Magic finish. We have been collecting card decks for about 15 years, and mainly focus on Decks produced in Europe (predominantly Germany and France) from about the late 1700's to the early 20th century. Our design / artistic influences are wide ranging; The backs for our deck are inspired from french card decks dating from the 1700's, the face cards are a mix of Japanese prints, Renaissance painting and more directly German Patience decks of the late 1800's to early 1900's. I was originally intrigued and fell in love with old decks when I was visiting The Cloisters Museum in Upper Manhattan some years ago. There are decks (single cards) there under glass dating back to the middle ages - absolutely beautiful.
I understand everyone has their own taste - its art and design, completely subjective. Just want to thank everyone again for their support here, exciting to be a member on the discussion board!
P.S. If we are able to produce this deck there will be more to come...
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As a backer (and designer) I look forward to your future decks!
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Thanks, me too!!
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they will be made with Bicycle Grade Paper and will have an Air Cushion and Magic finish.
That's all the persuasion I needed. ;D
The court cards really are beautiful, very creative and inspiring. I'll be considering the 6 decks package if I can afford it, and I'll be sure to pledge for at least two otherwise. Good luck!
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I want to pledge for this one - while the design isn't 100% practical, it's pretty damn good and very artistic. I'll just have to see how the funding holds out. (My funding, not yours!)
The biggest recommendation I'd give regarding the design - if you have a face card with part of the image extending right to the edge of the card, have it stop just short of the edge instead, even if only by a very small distance. When only select cards are printed into the bleed like that, those cards can be spotted in a face-up deck stack by looking at the edge of the deck.
I have opinions about borders and such as well, but I'm keeping them to myself for now - it would only create a big brouhaha between the collectors and the magicians like what happened when the Artifice deck came out!
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The biggest recommendation I'd give regarding the design - if you have a face card with part of the image extending right to the edge of the card, have it stop just short of the edge instead, even if only by a very small distance. When only select cards are printed into the bleed like that, those cards can be spotted in a face-up deck stack by looking at the edge of the deck.
I have opinions about borders and such as well, but I'm keeping them to myself for now - it would only create a big brouhaha between the collectors and the magicians like what happened when the Artifice deck came out!
A quick note for readers here: We have made two modifications to the deck design which we feel keep the integrity of the design and yet satisfy some of the practical needs of the card collecting and magician community. The first, we have very subtly faded the swords of the jacks so they do not bleed off the edge. We felt this actually enhanced the image as it appears as if the swords are disappearing into the background mist. The second being that we added a white border to the back. This last edit was a difficult decision as the original image bleed on the back was a nod to French/German card backs dating from 1600's to the 1800's. As designers though, an important part of our philosophy is functionality and practicality in anything we create, and from the feedback we received it seems to be a very important element for collectors and magicians. It has been fascinating receiving feedback from this community and will no doubt only serve to enhance our future designs for upcoming decks.
A quick question for you Don: what was the big brouhaha with the Artifice deck?
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Heres the back, didn't seem to show up in my last post...
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Ok, let my try one more time. I think it was a corrupt file...this should work.
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close up look the back design look pretty nice ..
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These are very creative, unlike everything we have seen so far in the card collecting industry. Also, welcome to the forums.
Best of luck,
Nathan
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A quick note for readers here: We have made two modifications to the deck design which we feel keep the integrity of the design and yet satisfy some of the practical needs of the card collecting and magician community. The first, we have very subtly faded the swords of the jacks so they do not bleed off the edge. We felt this actually enhanced the image as it appears as if the swords are disappearing into the background mist. The second being that we added a white border to the back. This last edit was a difficult decision as the original image bleed on the back was a nod to French/German card backs dating from 1600's to the 1800's. As designers though, an important part of our philosophy is functionality and practicality in anything we create, and from the feedback we received it seems to be a very important element for collectors and magicians. It has been fascinating receiving feedback from this community and will no doubt only serve to enhance our future designs for upcoming decks.
A quick question for you Don: what was the big brouhaha with the Artifice deck?
I like the changes you made - they're attractive and practical. If you wanted, you could do a "fade to edge" similar to Theory11's Bee Stingers, or similar with a tighter, more narrow border, like Encarded's Tendril deck.
The story...
Ellusionist released a deck around the middle of last year, give or take a month or so, called Artifice. It had completely custom fronts and a very elegant and luxurious-looking back. But magicians had a problem with an all-white face and an predominantly-black back, particularly at the edge. Any trick using a flipped card became immediately noticeable. In addition, the trend for decks printed black into the bleed waned around that time because when handled and shuffled under ordinary circumstances, those black edges chipped in a way that was immediately noticeably and not very pretty. Ellusionist took all of this into account, ceased production on the two existing models (a blue deck that was widely available and a red deck that was limited to a print run of 5,000) and labeled them as "version 1" - then released "version 2" with a nearly-identical, white-bordered back on a blue deck and a green deck.
The magicians were happy, but the card collectors threw fits, saying that the white border ruined the look of the deck and yelling about how the deck was altered just to suit a bunch of magicians who complained. Ellusionist's response to the collectors was that the red version 1 deck wasn't remade in a version 2, making it a true collector's item. Now even the blue version 1 decks are starting to fetch higher prices due to being out of print and loved by collectors.
In the end, as much as the collectors wanted the deck kept the same, Ellusionist is a magic company first, a card company second, catering far more to the needs of the magic community than the card collectors. Some card collectors hold a grudge over that, saying they'll never buy any more of their decks again. For a few months, collectors and magicians were arguing over the pros and cons of the switch, sometimes rather strongly.
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I think a border wouldn't look too great on this one. I love the design how it is!!
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I think a border wouldn't look too great on this one. I love the design how it is!!
Too late, the border has already been added. But I agree that without it would be better. Magicians should just learn to do tricks that don't involve reversed cards and choose an appropriate deck for the tricks that do have borders which are most of the decks. I think the white border looks out of place on these, and I feel the same about the Artifice. But, oh well.
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See, I just knew when the whole subject of adding a border came into the picture, there'd be people arguing about it! It's Artifice all over again!
If the deck had a regular pattern to it, something along the lines of a Bee deck, I might actually agree with you. But this "flagstone" design doesn't lend itself well to that kind of regularity. Even with the modifications to make the deck back two-way, unless they're cut with a level of precision that USPC simply doesn't have, you will end up with the image just a little bit off-center, resulting in a one-way back that can be seen from the edge - a situation even worse than a visible flipped card in the middle of the deck.
For this design, as much as you may find it less aesthetically pleasing, a border just makes sense. I'd just opt for a fade-to-edge design - it would also create that "fog" effect he did with the sword-bearing court cards. I think that would look pretty sweet and please both sides of the debate.
Another aesthetically pleasing concept: instead of making the entire back all flagstones, maybe putting a symmetrical "koi pond" in the middle would work nicely! It would break up the monotony of the stones and bring in some real beauty - two fish, swimming on opposite ends of the pond, maybe some bamboo shoots growing at each end as well... It could look very nice and it would just bring the deck's front and back designs closer together in style.
What do you guys think?
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Ohh god please don't change it! I liked the original one-way as this is an ART DECK not a casino deck. I'm fine with how it looks now, 2-way with border. It still looks classy and artistic.
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Yes, I can see the two strong opinions here now. Well, this is certainly been a interesting learning process for us so far, having directly sought out the cardistry community with this deck. Keep in mind our approach to this comes more from a background as artists and designers and, to date , less as card collectors (even though I have a great respect for the history of playing cards and do have a very select collection myself). We already are working on plans for new deck designs (which will definitely move forward faster if we meet our Kickstarter goal) and will, with the info and feedback we have received from the cardistry world, focus on details of each design leaning specifically more towards a specific end user - whether it be collectors or magicians/flourishers. It is hard to balance what we want to achieve as artists/designers and producing a design for the commercial market - sometimes you have to make a living, right? The eternal struggle of an artist...
All this information and feedback only makes us wiser moving forward and will produce better designs in the long run.
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Oh, also could I possibly get a bit of advice from somebody here? I would like to post an update on some detail specs etc. on the Blue Blood Deck / Kickstarter project - what /where is the best place to do it? Should I do it here on this thread or start a new discussion?
Thanks for your help - remember, I'm still pretty new to the discussion board thingy...
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Use this thread.
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Thanks Russell - will do.
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Just wanted to post a quick update on our Blue Blued Card Deck on Kickstarter:
Specs on the Blue Blood Deck
Manufacturer: USPCC
Card Stock: Bicycle Grade Paper
Finish: Air Cushion and Magic Finish
Deck Type: Standard Poker Deck + Two Jokers + One Kickstarter Pledge Backer Card (350.00+ pledge or more)
Production Run: 2500 Original Edition
Card Backs: Mirrored Image w/ White border
New "Blue Collar" Pledge Category Added For Collectors
In the pledge reward section on our Kickstarter page we have added a new 70.00 pledge that includes a signed and numbered uncut press sheet from the run ( + six decks).
We are also happy to say that our project has been added to the "Staff Picks Page" on Kickstarter.
Also we are already over 30% pledged after only five days in... off to a good start, but not there yet.
Cards To Be Revealed
Very shortly we will be revealing the remaining court cards, the ace of spades and the jokers.
Finally, I want to thank everyone here who has pledged and/or helped support the making of the Deck so far - whether or not we reach are goal and produce the deck, I'm really glad to have become a part of this community.
Thanks again,
Peter
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Loved the original one-way back.
Did not mind the revised 2-way back.
Got turned off by the additional white border.
The stupid thing is if I had not seen the original back, I might not have minded the new back.
I am not a magician, cardist or poker player, but a card collector that looks for pretty or cool decks. I have to ponder some more on this. Loving the fronts though.
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yah, I totally understand what your saying about the whole "If I hadn't seen the original..." thing - we have to live with that as designers all the time. Another factor that played into decision was that in production the die that punches the cards out can cause micro chipping if you have a dark full bleed on the card. We have also realized that when we design our next decks they will probably either be geared more towards an art deck for pure collectors or more towards a "functional" cardistry/magician/\flourishing deck. Thanks for the compliment on the faces though!
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Here are a few pictures of the stingers that Don previously mentioned. I also think that a faded border would look much better than a clean-cut white border.
https://www.tannens.com/shop/secure/images/products/8808.jpg
http://dealingdeuces.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/h/wht-stingert11.png
I'm very interested in the deck regardless, the decision is yours, but there's my opinion. ;)
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I think a border wouldn't look too great on this one. I love the design how it is!!
Too late, the border has already been added. But I agree that without it would be better. Magicians should just learn to do tricks that don't involve reversed cards and choose an appropriate deck for the tricks that do have borders which are most of the decks. I think the white border looks out of place on these, and I feel the same about the Artifice. But, oh well.
I might have to think about not backing these now. The border kind of kills it for me.
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You have raised $3,700 in 6 days... don't be too quick to change the designs again. You'll make the goal and you will always have people disagree with your design. It's the worst part of working on a public platform. The best part is succeeding in public and having your product in the hands of hundreds (thousands?) of people!
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Hey Russell,
Thanks for the encouragement! We are definitely not new to designing product for the commercial market, but the Kickstarter platform is new to us - couple that with our sudden introduction and feedback to the card collecting/magician/cardistry world to make for an interesting learning experience. It's like pitching a design to the entire world instead of one client.
Yes, lots of opinions out there...can't please everyone. Our basic philosophy as designers is to create designs we would want to own ourselves - most of our designs are pretty unique and not overly commercial.
Well, here's to the project succeeding!
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Hey Russell,
Thanks for the encouragement! We are definitely not new to designing product for the commercial market, but the Kickstarter platform is new to us - couple that with our sudden introduction and feedback to the card collecting/magician/cardistry world to make for an interesting learning experience. It's like pitching a design to the entire world instead of one client.
Yes, lots of opinions out there...can't please everyone. Our basic philosophy as designers is to create designs we would want to own ourselves - most of our designs are pretty unique and not overly commercial.
Well, here's to the project succeeding!
Is there any way to pledge for just one deck and no tattoo?
Also, I was wondering, how come your signature says "SacProductions101"?
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Nathan, it's not the signature, it's the "Found The Discourse via:" field. :P
My usual pledge is always 3 decks, and I gotta say I feel a little uneasy about the absence of an in-between tier. Many people will tell you it's the ideal amount - one deck for keeping sealed, one to use, and one more just in case. Two decks could end up not being enough, but six gets a little expensive... I'd be fine with 4 decks, too.
(I'd definitely pledge for 6 if I can afford it, but I'm still not sure of that yet. ::))
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Hey Nathan and moon,
We could do a custom pledge for you (we have already done some for other people withe special requests)
If you place a pledge in the 25.00 category level for 30.00 and follow up with an email we could replace those existing items with three decks. we're keeping a running list of special request/orders. We are trying to avoid to many pledge levels on the side bar. At the same time we are trying to accommodate custom orders as long as they don't get too wacky - so far everyone has been pretty cool about it.
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Hi uusikissa1, I will suggest putting a banner of your KS project in your signature. At least when you are participating in other threads in this forum, members who have not read the Blue Blood thread will be made aware of your deck KS project from your posts.
Just a suggestion.
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hey - thanks for the suggestion LL, have been meaning to add something like that but have been busy as hell...
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I'd been curious about your choice of a handle for this forum, until I used Google Translate: it's Finnish for "new cat"! I would have sworn it was something Japanese, but I would have been wrong...
Do you have a new cat?
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These cards are really done well, they just dont really interest me. I guess im just not really into oriental stuff.
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I'd been curious about your choice of a handle for this forum, until I used Google Translate: it's Finnish for "new cat"! I would have sworn it was something Japanese, but I would have been wrong...
Do you have a new cat?
Ha! Yes, I suppose I should explain the username. Our design company name is Uusi, which you are correct in its Finnish translation meaning "new". It's our second commercial design company we have started and it was a "new" start after the first company ended with partner problems - now it's just my wife and myself. The Finnish comes in from a couple different angles; we have some Finnish heritage, one of our strong influences is Northern European aesthetic and we really like unusual languages and words. It's interesting you thought it might be Japanese, as there is a strong influence of Japanese in Finnish design/culture (I'm not totally sure where that comes from, still trying to get to the bottom of it historically). So... my profile name is a "username" I use quite often, since when I sign up somewhere new I am the "new cat" on the block.
oh, and yes we actually do have a new cat - his name is T-mobile (he likes to roam a lot).
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You guys are doing great. Just yet more proof that in a pile of turds a diamond can be found...or least a deck worth backing lol. I'm in for 6 + uncut. For $70, can't beat 8) that.
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You guys are doing great. Just yet more proof that in a pile of turds a diamond can be found...or least a deck worth backing lol. I'm in for 6 + uncut. For $70, can't beat 8) that.
Thanks... that's a compliment, right? yeah, we are pretty excited to see the uncut sheet.
Kinda off topic here a little bit, but could some give me some help with a problem I'm having with placing an image with an embedded link in my signature? There doesn't seem to be any way to upload an image in the text field for creating a signature. Thanks
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Congrats on reaching your goal on Kickstarter!!
And, you still have 12 days left!!!!
CBJ
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Congrats on funding uusikissa1!
I may have criticized the early back design but I love the court cards and pledged early.
The Jokers look sweet by the way. Great job!
thanks, Randy
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Way to go... Looking forward to holding the deck. How many months out is production?
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Despite telling myself I would not back anything else on kickstarter until I receive at least one of the 5-6 decks I have backed, I went ahead and backed this one. They look great and I want to support this artist. I have repledged to refrain from backing kickstarter profects until I receive some bounty, but I am sure I will get sucked in again.
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Despite telling myself I would not back anything else on kickstarter until I receive at least one of the 5-6 decks I have backed, I went ahead and backed this one. They look great and I want to support this artist. I have repledged to refrain from backing kickstarter profects until I receive some bounty, but I am sure I will get sucked in again.
Oh ye of little faith... :))
I've received three of the twelve rewards I'm due for successful projects. It's all good - these things take time.